[IMPORTANT]no kill without RP reason!

[Franswa_Barghouti]

Lets understand each other and be clear about the rule that says "Do not kill without RP reason", now seriusly without joking
I'm playing here since July 2011(one year), one year playing on argonath and I can't understand ANY admin I can't understand this human who made this rule WHAT HE MEAN WITH "RP reason"!
From the punishs that I got I can understand that there is no something called RP reason, I make THE MAXIMUM to do RP reason while killing someone and I make my BEST to do not get punished when I kill someone and I get this punish.
For now I think every one almost I killed him I got punished seems like we have to bring all the admins to this topic and I have to understand from them ALL how they understand the term "RP reason".
I don't know how can I make the admins think that it's good RP reason to kill someone, it's indeed IMPOSIBLE!
Some admins says to me "/me takes out combat shotgun." is enough to kill someone, someone else says "call him and tell him why you want to kill him and warn him before you kill him" someone else " you have to had good RP reason", guys wait a minute! I got confused, I call someone and warn him that he will die for attacking my family and when I come to kill him I RP "/me takes out ... and reloads it" AND I GET PUNISHED!
I called this player and warned him that he's going to die, attacking the mafia that I'm a member of it is a good RP reason, "/me .........." is RP command WHAT ELSE YOU EXPECT FROM ME? TO ASK HIM IF I"M ALLOWED TO KILL HIM? SERIUSLY!
I sometimes check some unban requests, I see some players banned for DM and the admins explains to him that he have to tell the one who he wants to kill THAT HE WILL KILL HIM and THE REASON FOR KILLING HIM.
Here is couple of reports on admins that punished me for DM, and no one care:


I want to report the admin duel for abusing tempban in the following RP -
Sforza family attacked some sopranos and we get order to kill Sforza and capoliano for attacking sopranos(I'm one of sopranos but I did NOT died), some of sopranos went to RP and I was in the heli, they confused to RP and the sopranos leave them.
I called one of capoliano who was with Sforza in the same car and asked them about the reason of attacking sopranos but he hanged up, I called again and warned him and told them get ready to death for attacking sopranos. in this case I told this boy that I want to attack him and I told him the reason, this count as clear RP.
I just followed the car that ID 103 and the mafia was in it without forcing RP till the car blew up I went down on a roof of a build and shout only ID 103 the one that I called him.
After two shoots I get tempban for 60mins for thats not rp dmer.
Here's the chat logs:


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[16:45:09] Phone number of Malik_Capoliano(103) is: 179891
[16:45:12] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:45:16] They picked up the call.
[16:45:22] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Hey malik speaking
[16:45:26] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Hello Capolione
[16:45:40] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want?
[16:45:44] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Can we talk?
[16:46:01] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Are you Malik Capliano?
[16:46:05] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Yep
[16:46:18] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Why do you attacks Sopranos?
[16:46:19] They hung up.
[16:46:26] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:46:30] They picked up the call.
[16:46:31] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Get ready to the death
[16:46:32] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want
[16:46:34] You hung up.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano was tempbanned by Duel(59) for 60 minutes for thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano, you have been temporarily banned from the server by Duel for 60 minutes.
[16:51:15] Date/Time: 03/08/2012 | Ban reason: thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Ban evading will get you permbanned.
[16:51:15] Server closed the connection.


I already explained that it is clear RP and it's obvious.
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Today I got order from my boss to kill Sforza member for attacking sopranos, I said in the CB CARE FOR THE RP.
I called this player, and he called me girl(provoked me), I told him to GET READY FOR DEATH FOR CALLING ME GIRL AND ATTACKING SOPRANOS, he said I WILL BE READY.
here is FULL RP, I told the player that I'm coming to kill him and warned him, told him the reason for killing him(GOOD RP REASON), then what? BOMMMMMM two warnes!
Here is the chat logs:


[22:16:33] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): johan ordered us to kill that boy
[22:16:47] ***[2414] Franswa_Soprano(38): he's with another one I will kill the Sforza
[22:16:53] ***[2414] Franswa_Soprano(38): this time CARE about the RP
[22:16:54] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): wait
[22:17:01] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): im coming
[22:17:02] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): REI
[22:17:03] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): FAST
[22:17:04] ***[2414] Rei_Soprano(95): endri where are u?
[22:17:08] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): going to l
[22:17:09] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): going to ls\
[22:17:22] Phone number of YairSforza(10) is: 7227
[22:17:25] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[22:17:30] They picked up the call.
[22:17:36] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):Hello boy
[22:17:42] YairSforza(10) says(phone):Hello girl.
[22:17:57] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):Girl? ok be ready to death for this word
[22:18:03] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):and for messing with soprano
[22:18:04] YairSforza(10) says(phone):Sure i will
[22:18:07] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):bye
[22:18:08] YairSforza(10) says(phone):I see.
[22:18:08] You hung up.
[22:20:04] You are wanted because of this kill
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I think admins hates sopranos, and I don't want to have dirty history just because the mafia, I want to know how should I kill someone that attacked my friends without getting punished.
I want to get some tips from one high ranked admin how to RP without getting punished for DM, I will consider on this tips and will implement these tips.


Thanks

[Ted]

Preferably no 'Dming' at all...

[Hudini]

Lets understand each other and be clear about the rule that says "Do not DM without RP reason", now seriusly without joking
I'm playing here since July 2011(one year), one year playing on argonath and I can't understand ANY admin I can't understand this human who made this rule WHAT HE MEAN WITH "RP reason"!
From the punishs that I got I can understand that there is no something called RP reason, I make THE MAXIMUM to do RP reason while killing someone and I make my BEST to do not get punished when I kill someone and I get this punish.
For now I think every one almost I killed him I got punished seems like we have to bring all the admins to this topic and I have to understand from them ALL how they understand the term "RP reason".
I don't know how can I make the admins think that it's good RP reason to kill someone, it's indeed IMPOSIBLE!
Some admins says to me "/me takes out combat shotgun." is enough to kill someone, someone else says "call him and tell him why you want to kill him and warn him before you kill him" someone else " you have to had good RP reason", guys wait a minute! I got confused, I call someone and warn him that he will die for attacking my family and when I come to kill him I RP "/me takes out ... and reloads it" AND I GET PUNISHED!
I called this player and warned him that he's going to die, attacking the mafia that I'm a member of it is a good RP reason, "/me .........." is RP command WHAT ELSE YOU EXPECT FROM ME? TO ASK HIM IF I"M ALLOWED TO KILL HIM? SERIUSLY!
I sometimes check some unban requests, I see some players banned for DM and the admins explains to him that he have to tell the one who he wants to kill THAT HE WILL KILL HIM and THE REASON FOR KILLING HIM.
Here is couple of reports on admins that punished me for DM, and no one care:


I want to report the admin duel for abusing tempban in the following RP -
Sforza family attacked some sopranos and we get order to kill Sforza and capoliano for attacking sopranos(I'm one of sopranos but I did NOT died), some of sopranos went to RP and I was in the heli, they confused to RP and the sopranos leave them.
I called one of capoliano who was with Sforza in the same car and asked them about the reason of attacking sopranos but he hanged up, I called again and warned him and told them get ready to death for attacking sopranos. in this case I told this boy that I want to attack him and I told him the reason, this count as clear RP.
I just followed the car that ID 103 and the mafia was in it without forcing RP till the car blew up I went down on a roof of a build and shout only ID 103 the one that I called him.
After two shoots I get tempban for 60mins for thats not rp dmer.
Here's the chat logs:


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[16:45:09] Phone number of Malik_Capoliano(103) is: 179891
[16:45:12] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:45:16] They picked up the call.
[16:45:22] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Hey malik speaking
[16:45:26] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Hello Capolione
[16:45:40] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want?
[16:45:44] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Can we talk?
[16:46:01] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Are you Malik Capliano?
[16:46:05] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Yep
[16:46:18] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Why do you attacks Sopranos?
[16:46:19] They hung up.
[16:46:26] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:46:30] They picked up the call.
[16:46:31] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Get ready to the death
[16:46:32] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want
[16:46:34] You hung up.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano was tempbanned by Duel(59) for 60 minutes for thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano, you have been temporarily banned from the server by Duel for 60 minutes.
[16:51:15] Date/Time: 03/08/2012 | Ban reason: thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Ban evading will get you permbanned.
[16:51:15] Server closed the connection.


I already explained that it is clear RP and it's obvious.
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Today I got order from my boss to kill Sforza member for attacking sopranos, I said in the CB CARE FOR THE RP.
I called this player, and he called me girl(provoked me), I told him to GET READY FOR DEATH FOR CALLING ME GIRL AND ATTACKING SOPRANOS, he said I WILL BE READY.
here is FULL RP, I told the player that I'm coming to kill him and warned him, told him the reason for killing him(GOOD RP REASON), then what? BOMMMMMM two warnes!
Here is the chat logs:


[22:16:33] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): johan ordered us to kill that boy
[22:16:47] ***[2414] Franswa_Soprano(38): he's with another one I will kill the Sforza
[22:16:53] ***[2414] Franswa_Soprano(38): this time CARE about the RP
[22:16:54] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): wait
[22:17:01] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): im coming
[22:17:02] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): REI
[22:17:03] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): FAST
[22:17:04] ***[2414] Rei_Soprano(95): endri where are u?
[22:17:08] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): going to l
[22:17:09] ***[2414] Endri_Soprano(24): going to ls\
[22:17:22] Phone number of YairSforza(10) is: 7227
[22:17:25] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[22:17:30] They picked up the call.
[22:17:36] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):Hello boy
[22:17:42] YairSforza(10) says(phone):Hello girl.
[22:17:57] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):Girl? ok be ready to death for this word
[22:18:03] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):and for messing with soprano
[22:18:04] YairSforza(10) says(phone):Sure i will
[22:18:07] Franswa_Soprano(38) says(phone):bye
[22:18:08] YairSforza(10) says(phone):I see.
[22:18:08] You hung up.
[22:20:04] You are wanted because of this kill
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I think admins hates sopranos, and I don't want to have dirty history just because the mafia, I want to know how should I kill someone that attacked my friends without getting punished.
I want to get some tips from one high ranked admin how to RP without getting punished for DM, I will consider on this tips and will implement these tips.


Thanks

+1 Franswa I'm 100% with you and I have the same problem as yours, THIS PROBLEM HAVE TO BE SOLVED AND VERY SOON
I think the admins hate sopranos too

[Ted]

Perhaps if one were to stick to the rules administrators would not 'hate' anyone.

Begin by looking at your group for any issues but of course we are human so we tend to be ignorant to our own. However it is good to look at things from a third person view to see if there really are any issues which need to be resolved.

[Lionel Valdes]

No kill* without RP reason.

DM = Killing with no rp reason

[Duel]

Did you even read my PM? No..

I tempbanned you because, you followed a group of players around, after I announced you 4 times in big red text on your screen to leave each other alone, yet you did not listen, proceeded to follow them, their car blew. You landed your heli, got out with a combat, and just shot with no roleplay, warning what so ever.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86606.0 - Similar to your case.

[16:45:09] Phone number of Malik_Capoliano(103) is: 179891
[16:45:12] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:45:16] They picked up the call.
[16:45:22] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Hey malik speaking
[16:45:26] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Hello Capolione
[16:45:40] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want?
[16:45:44] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Can we talk?
[16:46:01] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Are you Malik Capliano?
[16:46:05] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Yep
[16:46:18] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Why do you attacks Sopranos?
[16:46:19] They hung up.
[16:46:26] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:46:30] They picked up the call.
[16:46:31] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Get ready to the death
[16:46:32] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want

Is that your reason? 

[Franswa_Barghouti]

Did you even read my PM? No..

I tempbanned you because, you followed a group of players around, after I announced you 4 times in big red text on your screen to leave each other alone, yet you did not listen, proceeded to follow them, their car blew. You landed your heli, got out with a combat, and just shot with no roleplay, warning what so ever.

[url=http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86606.0]http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86606.0[/url] - Similar to your case.

Is that your reason? 

let me fix you, you are wrong!
You said don't force RP on them, so my group leaved them and did not force RP on them.
I leaved too but then tried to call a player and RP, and he ACCEPTED to RP by hanging up the phone and listen to my warning toward him.
There's differents

[Ricardo_Banderaz]

I understand the fact that alot of mafias/families are around nowadays. They have alot of enemies, friends e.t.c. Guys, killing for a specific simple reason like Franswa just mentioned calling him a 'girl' isn't that valid. In these situations, you can RP-ly meet the specific person, you can torture him other than just stepping infront of his car and killing him. That's no taste of roleplay, i think most of the people haven't discovered the main fun of roleplaying.

I'm a regular SAMP player, i usually see they are creating gang wars over the mainchat. 'Come at me bro', 'we are stronger' e.t.c, do you have any specific reason of it else showing off? They haven't stepped in your turf, they haven't provoked you RPly, they haven't robbed anyone of your member. Just they have did it called 'more stonger than you'.

What i will say is create some of your own imagination in your roleplays, think wisely and think thoroughly before you act.

[Duel]

let me fix you, you are wrong!
You said don't force RP on them, so my group leaved them and did not force RP on them.
I leaved too but then tried to call a player and RP, and he ACCEPTED to RP by hanging up the phone and listen to my warning toward him.
There's differents

I announced that you guys should leave each other alone.

[TiMoN]

[16:45:09] Phone number of Malik_Capoliano(103) is: 179891
[16:45:12] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:45:16] They picked up the call.
[16:45:22] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Hey malik speaking
[16:45:26] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Hello Capolione
[16:45:40] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want?
[16:45:44] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Can we talk?
[16:46:01] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Are you Malik Capliano?
[16:46:05] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):Yep
[16:46:18] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Why do you attacks Sopranos?
[16:46:19] They hung up.
[16:46:26] HINT: You now use T to talk on your cellphone, type /hangup to hang up.
[16:46:30] They picked up the call.
[16:46:31] Franswa_Soprano(29) says(phone):Get ready to the death
[16:46:32] Malik_Capoliano(103) says(phone):What you want
[16:46:34] You hung up.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano was tempbanned by Duel(59) for 60 minutes for thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Franswa_Soprano, you have been temporarily banned from the server by Duel for 60 minutes.
[16:51:15] Date/Time: 03/08/2012 | Ban reason: thats not rp dmer.
[16:51:15] Ban evading will get you permbanned.
[16:51:15] Server closed the connection.

Is that your reason? 

do you really expect a guy to call you in real life asking:
Why did you kill my teddy bear?
you will simply hangup
he calls again:
get ready to die.

I don't think you count your reason real

[Franswa_Barghouti]

Guys, killing for a specific simple reason like Franswa just mentioned calling him a 'girl' isn't that valid

Indeed I liked your words and I'm with you, but from my side I don't like to create a mafia to have enemies in game, and go kill some players in the future if I make mafia I will try my best to be friend with much players and have peace with them.
Actually from your words I didn't like this term, I don't know why every one hears my story stuck on this reason and doesn't look at the whole reasons
Post Merge: August 04, 2012, 02:47:15 am

do you really expect a guy to call you in real life asking:
Why did you kill my teddy bear?
you will simply hangup
he calls again:
get ready to die.

I don't think you count your reason real

Ah are you new here? it's Argonath boy not real life, you totally look at the situation wrongly.

[Duel]

Ah are you new here? it's Argonath boy not real life, you totally look at the situation wrongly.

Does not matter if he's new or not, he still has a point.

Yes Argonath is not real life, but that still does not favour you going around shooting people for stupid reasons.. Also, if you where willing to roleplay it, you would have shouted a few words to your victim, to show him what you where there for, and actually roleplayed it further. Killing someone won't solve anything.

[Franswa_Barghouti]

Does not matter if he's new or not, he still has a point.

Yes Argonath is not real life, but that still does not favour you going around shooting people for stupid reasons.. Also, if you where willing to roleplay it, you would have shouted a few words to your victim, to show him what you where there for, and actually roleplayed it further. Killing someone won't solve anything.

you count provoking and attacking sopranos is a stupid RP reason? then shame I don't have anything to say here.
I did not and will not go around and kill players without reason, I have account in paruni, I already explain how I RPed, and already ask his player about the reason of attacking sopranos and warned them about that(he know pretty good why I came there from my call), nothing to say except it was abuse and you didn't understand the story before taking action.

[Matt Murdock]

Indeed I liked your words and I'm with you, but from my side I don't like to create a mafia to have enemies in game, and go kill some players in the future if I make mafia I will try my best to be friend with much players and have peace with them.
Actually from your words I didn't like this term, I don't know why every one hears my story stuck on this reason and doesn't look at the whole reasons
Post Merge: August 04, 2012, 02:47:15 amAh are you new here? it's Argonath boy not real life, you totally look at the situation wrongly.

Its not about whenmade, or how old is who on Argonath, knowledge cannot be judged by the time spent.

And we do use some facts from real life here, why do you think mafias are not allowed to go on cop hunting spree once suspected?

Also the video in this post, is a good enough reason to get you perm banned, as randomly shooting people with sniper is considered DM.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=81688.msg1400991#msg1400991

And I'm sorry, the problem with the Soprano group I believe is communication problems, most of their members don't know proper english, probably that's why the RP from them is so low?

[Huntsman]

Am i the only one that doesnt see any rulebreak in this? I mean, the attacked a person from his family, i think that's enough of a RP reason to attack back..