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[SugarD]

Even if it falls on deaf ears, what's wrong with trying to make a difference? If no one tries, nothing will be accomplished for sure. If someone tries, at least there's a chance for improvement.

[Chris_Knight]

This is not cartoon network but reality ,so those beautiful quotes are not in place. People always been that way and nothing else can be done as far humanity apparently won't decide be mature and respect each other because so far I haven't heard ,read or seen it since humanity's existence.  And even tho this topic is made regarding people arguing and acting like complete a.ssholes to each other,it will end up same in this topic. With arguments and being immature,trying prove empty points or win an argument.

[Salmonella]

I am here to guide and that is what I am doing. I am not tired on the administration task. More like pissed off on the behaviour few of the players have.

Nobody likes it when players have incorrect behaviour or break rules, but being pissed off? Really? It's a really common phenomenon, and bringing so much anger to your task won't contribute in fixing the issue. A calm approach has a lot more effect on those misbehaving players, and will teach them a lot more than getting ''pissed off'' attitude on that which they think is right (misbehaving players don't realize they're doing something wrong when they're still committing the act). A calm administrator without stress will be able to talk to the player in a calm manner and explain them what they did wrong, inevitably avoiding a ban or other heavy punishment and cause overall satisfaction, and an overall slight decrease in misbehaviour in the community. That is how issues like this are really solved. Not topics they won't read, not punishment, not ''pissed off'' admins... Just a few conversations and they'll grow out of the behaviour sooner or later.

Salmonella, take a look at what you have done, then talk. You are NOT in a position trying to educate us in how to do our work. I'm actually shocked that you still got the balls to tell mash what to do.

I can advice whatever I want to advice and I can post whatever I feel like posting. I am not breaking any forum rules, and am actually shocked to see such a defensive reply coming from you. I don't need to be a community leader, moderator, administrator or manager to try and educate people. I believe I can contribute here and will continue to do so. Respect my views on the subject, just as I respect yours. I'm not going to discuss what ''I have done'' here. This isn't my unban request, you had all your chances to tell me what I supposedly would've done wrong, but stopped posting after I gave truth, a reply. I'm sorry, but if you still want to discuss earlier mistakes of mine, you're going to have to PM me, contact me on skype or contact me on MSN. I will have another conversation, or maybe two about it with you if you want, just not here.

Even if it falls on deaf ears, what's wrong with trying to make a difference? If no one tries, nothing will be accomplished for sure. If someone tries, at least there's a chance for improvement.

There's nothing wrong with trying to make a difference. This just doesn't make any. The work administrations (are supposed to) do ingame is what really helps, and seeing one of them complain about it is actually quite the contrary of that. I gave perfect examples of possible and proper solutions, which I believe will help Mash, or anyone else with similar intentions, in decreasing rulebreaking and the amount misbehaving players.

[Chris_Knight]

And there it goes... 

[SugarD]

There's nothing wrong with trying to make a difference. This just doesn't make any. The work administrations (are supposed to) do ingame is what really helps, and seeing one of them complain about it is actually quite the contrary of that. I gave perfect examples of possible and proper solutions, which I believe will help Mash, or anyone else with similair intentions, in decreasing rulebreaking and the amount misbehaving players.

The work they do is not all the work that needs to be done. Players are responsible for this community too, and even our own Argonath Vision covers that. Every little thing does help, even if it doesn't seem like it. That's why I said trying is more effective than not.

Admins dealing with the issue directly is not the only way to handle the problem. It should also be prevented before it happens, and that falls onto the players themselves to do.

[Chris_Knight]

Guys you have to realize those guys are youngsters full of energy ,will to fight and having satisfy of winning. Being angry of losing and defending they beliefs.

We have all kinds of people in our community when ever they are mature,immature,old dwars or young hobbits. 

They do get angry ,they do get frustrated and they will always fight ,argue and brag who killed who on 1v1 because they are young.

The only way to change it is allow players above 18 or the ones having attitude as 18 so we make fully old not funny guy squad and play all relaxed and calm.

This is GTA a game of who dominates and proves own self,when ever it doesn't share everyone's beliefs,it still some of us does.  It's not an issue we are discussing here ,but more of a straight point that youngsters have too much fighting spirit. 

[Salmonella]

The work they do is not all the work that needs to be done. Players are responsible for this community too, and even our own Argonath Vision covers that. Every little thing does help, even if it doesn't seem like it. That's why I said trying is more effective than not.

As a player, I often try to help in maintaining a pleasant gameplay. Those around me will know what I'm talking about, and the majority of those around me does the exact same thing to the people that they play with. Just remaining calm and creating a pleasant atmosphere around the game will certainly help decreasing unpleasant experiences and automatically decrease the amount of rulebreaking and misbehaving players. Just dropping a comment in mainchat during a police chase like ''Almost got me there. :P'' or after a shootout, ''Nice fight. '' is what I'm talking about. Play well and automatically get others to play that way too.

I'm sure this topic ''does'' help, just not as much as other methods seen above. However, after looking at what has been posted, the topic as a whole seems a lot more useful to me.

[Murt]

I do not believe Salmonella is trying to educate us here, just share his experiences as he is a former administrator with experience.

But to go on topic, I can really understand why Mash even made this topic, working as a moderator, administrator, manager or a leader within the community, especially SA:MP, you get frustrated from time to time. Sometimes you might get "pissed off" due to shitters, flamers, trollers or whatever it is. We are all humans and experiences it many times, even I.

[Devin]

Something people must take into consideration, administrators are the same as every player, they also have loads on their plate to deal with and are always busy while ingame.
It's just a game, these shootouts/wars and so on, it's alright when done in the correct manner, but when not, it turns into giant arguments and causes more issues than good.

[Morais]

And even tho this topic is made regarding people arguing and acting like complete a.ssholes to each other,it will end up same in this topic. With arguments and being immature,trying prove empty points or win an argument.

Wise Chris is wise.

My theory: People don't change. But they do grow.

[Salmonella]

Wise Chris is wise.

My theory: People don't change. But they do grow.

Growing is changing, so yeah. Very wise words indeed.

[Conroy]

Growing is changing, so yeah. Very wise words indeed.

[Morais]

Growing is changing, so yeah. Very wise words indeed.

Not always, it's more difficult to change the way you think than the way you act.

[Salmonella]

Not always, it's more difficult to change the way you think than the way you act.

Are you seriously going to defend your earlier statement?  :banana:

[Morais]

If I thought it was wrong I would be the first to admit it! My skills aren't enough to elaborate it to a point of a decent discussion that's for sure.