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[Devin]

The least you guys can do is to stay on-topic.

[JDC]

The problem has been around for years and so has the solution. However, it continues to recur as not enough people utilize the latter.

Players should lead by example, and by that, I mean leading without complaining about how hard it is (and posting pretty topics on the forums with "No matter how much I teach them they still DM!"). They will be surprised at how much they can change.

[billy.]

i lost all my cash and respect cuz of some niggas

[saberman]

An ordinary person will flame somebody else due to issues, because of anger. This post by Mash will not help to solve anything, as anger is part of human nature, and one cannot change that by these simple words. Although the purpose of this topic is understandable. The community is filled of immature people, with not-so-good parental care. The problem with these people is that they (most of them) will not accept or understand their fault, and they will instead lie or just say stuff to get unbanned.

[Frank_Hawk]

The SA:MP community is in this position because we regretfully reward failure and condemn success.

To tackle this, we must address the issue around unbanning repeat offenders.

They are the underlying cause of our problems.

[Gandalf]

The SA:MP community is in this position because we regretfully reward failure and condemn success.

To tackle this, we must address the issue around unbanning repeat offenders.

They are the underlying cause of our problems.

The real underlying cause of problems is a group of players who decide to disrupt instead of teach others. As such they set a bad example for new players, which is then pointed at.
Unless this group of talented players changes its ways, they will be banned before any repeat offender who at least tries to learn.

[Frank_Hawk]

The real underlying cause of problems is a group of players who decide to disrupt instead of teach others. As such they set a bad example for new players, which is then pointed at.
Unless this group of talented players changes its ways, they will be banned before any repeat offender who at least tries to learn.

Addressing the root cause, which is repeat offenders (and those who are continously unbanned) will in turn inspire confidence in those willing to set good examples.

We cannot change others otherwise unless we are willing to change ourselves.

[duffman]

Play with respect, honor and motivation.

I only play with my keyboard, but... Why all this blabla? Its just a game, a online game why all this?

You should get off computer games seriously, its affecting your mind. You/We have a life you should care about that.

[Gandalf]

We cannot change others otherwise unless we are willing to change ourselves.

Take that advice.

[Salmonella]

Addressing the root cause, which is repeat offenders (and those who are continously unbanned)

No. There are veterans who break rules. Big deal. They are being taken care of by the administration, just like they should. Why complain about that? Forgiveness is a nice thing, and I'm glad this community is a forgiving one. You shouldn't generalize people by calling them ''repeat offenders''. Every warning is different, every kick has different reasons behind them, every ban has its own story, and every player should be treated individually, with equal standards. There have been people with over 10 ingame bans, and yet they have been unbanned and given many chances. In the end, some of them learned, and others kept on rulebreaking. Why did they get these chances at all? Because people get equal treatment in here.

...will in turn inspire confidence in those willing to set good examples.

We cannot change others otherwise unless we are willing to change ourselves.

Wait, what? So because you're butthurt about people getting new and fresh chances in this community, you refuse to set a good example and refuse to help those who need it? Are you seriously letting that affect you in your behaviour? I guess this explains a lot of actual deathmatch, McDonalds spam, CJ spam, Balla spam, provoking, and loads of flooding (or the encouragement of flooding) that's seen when one thinks of the name Frank Hawk. I've seen all of the above, and it's not your obvious rulebreaking and bad behaviour that concerns me, but the fact that you appear to keep getting away with it. I truly believe that at this point, punishment would teach you more than a conversation, and that a ban will make you realize what you're doing wrong. I'm sorry to say it, but the way you're adressing this ''issue'' just isn't right.

I don't want to accuse the administration of not taking actions against certain players in this community because of their former reputation, because I can't see Personal Messaging traffic, but I would like to say that sometimes, just sometimes, punishment does a better job against these people.

[Frank_Hawk]

Take that advice.

In a hierachy, this advice must first be applied at the top for it to trickle down.

[Kirgiz]

I made it to make players wake up

Doesn't work like that, try again. I guess owners will understand what I mean.

[Taylor_P]

In a hierachy, this advice must first be applied at the top for it to trickle down.

Got to agree with Frank here.

[Kirgiz]

Nobody likes it when players have incorrect behaviour or break rules, but being pissed off? Really? It's a really common phenomenon, and bringing so much anger to your task won't contribute in fixing the issue.

And this is the guy who tells us about anger management. Quite hypocritic there.

Salmonella, take a look at what you have done, then talk. You are NOT in a position trying to educate us in how to do our work. I'm actually shocked that you still got the balls to tell mash what to do.

With all due respect, you ain't that better.

And my two cents: Has anyone else noticed that a moan topic started by a server admin? Then you realize something is wrong here...
Post Merge: August 16, 2012, 12:46:46 pm

The SA:MP community is in this position because we regretfully reward failure and condemn success.

To tackle this, we must address the issue around unbanning repeat offenders.

They are the underlying cause of our problems.

P.S.: Great job talking like that in an International community with

most population of age 15 and lower

[Salmonella]

And this is the guy who tells us about anger management. Quite hypocritic there.

What are you talking about? Be clear if you're going to state big accusations.