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[Kirgiz]

What are you talking about? Be clear if you're going to state big accusations.

I'll leave it up to your thinking and thinking of others', as Zaila already pointed out.

[Salmonella]

I'll leave it up to your thinking and thinking of others', as Zaila already pointed out.

Okay, an empty statement. Nice. I don't know who you are, so I wouldn't know what I've done to you to deserve this. I advice you to look at my posts instead of my name. Do you really think I would even try talking to Frank Hawk if I'd take his past with me into consideration? No. I look at people's messages, not their names.

[Kirgiz]

Okay, an empty statement. Nice. I don't know who you are, so I wouldn't know what I've done to you to deserve this. I advice you to look at my posts instead of my name. Do you really think I would even try talking to Frank Hawk if I'd take his past with me into consideration? No. I look at people's messages, not their names.

My last post which will be directed towards your "productive teachings" in this thread.

Believe what you want and how you want, but the real reason behind me avoiding any elaborations on this due topic is because I'm fully and well aware of your stubborn and prideful attitude towards arguing against you, and you know it yourself you will write a 10-thousand word essay on how I am completely wrong when, in the deepest of your doubts, you know I'm right.

And on the last catch, if you don't know who I am, why bother?

[Salmonella]

My last post which will be directed towards your "productive teachings" in this thread.

Believe what you want and how you want, but the real reason behind me avoiding any elaborations on this due topic is because I'm fully and well aware of your stubborn and prideful attitude towards arguing against you, and you know it yourself you will write a 10-thousand word essay on how I am completely wrong when, in the deepest of your doubts, you know I'm right.

And on the last catch, if you don't know who I am, why bother?

The statement remains empty. Yeah, I don't know who you are, but I'd like to clear up any issues you might have encountered with me. I don't believe I'm being stubborn when I just ask for a reason behind your statement. Yet you wish to make up excuses as to why you're unable to do so. You're contradicting yourself here constantly. First you say you're replying on the content in my messages, and the next thing I know I'm reading yet another excuse of yours so that you won't have to reply on the actual content.

[Gandalf]

In a hierachy, this advice must first be applied at the top for it to trickle down.

Which is why you are strongly adviced to take your own advice.

[Frank_Hawk]

Which is why you are strongly adviced to take your own advice.

I would, but I don't belong to any hierachy apart from the hierachy of the community where I'm a ordinary member.

As a member, I'm questioning why we are repeatedly unbanning those who repeatedly offend?

This action is demoralising many including me and raising the question, why are we diluting our community?

[Gandalf]

I would, but I don't belong to any hierachy apart from the hierachy of the community where I'm a ordinary member.

As a member, I'm questioning why we are repeatedly unbanning those who repeatedly offend?

This action is demoralising many including me and raising the question, why are we diluting our community?

Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.

[Lincoln.]

Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.

Sf_Sa got unbanned even if he was hacking weapons and selling them for 0.3 and 0.5$ per bullet and was getting people banned, beside the other hacks he was having. He ruined the business, people were buying weapons for a lot more higher price and were selling them for 10-20 percent higher than they buy, but the prices went down a lot thanks to Sf_Sa.
He got a second chance, even if he did all these stupid actions, but why? Why should such a member of the community get unbanned after 1 year or less? A lot of people get banned for DM and sometimes they get an unban after 3-4months, DM is nothing for the hacks and ruining the economy and people's business but it takes only a few months more to get an unban if you hack.
Honestly, I love the community and I have nothing against it besides the unban of Sf_Sa. I know it's not my job to decide whether you're right or not, but I couldn't read this and not post my opinion.


Sincerely,
Lincoln.

[Emre]

hey man these guys all no life they fail in real life they shit irl no friends so they troll in forums troll ingame troll troll troll blabla flame man all time cybercrime omfg

Get yourself straight and deal with the fact that things down in the internet are not to be taken serious and you act as if someone bullied your most sensitive spot. I'm not saying that the internet is a complete reflectance of 4chan as you guys like to use as an example, but either way ...

To shoot on Frank's question why people should be unbanned after doing certain mistakes that got themselves banned ; People need a few chances to get a push that says "Do it right, you do not have many chances here." Of course, the irony speaks for incidents that happened with former members of this community. To share my personal opinion about what you stated : You repeatedly pollute the game's mainchat with fattalk, food talk, ballas stuff, anti-CJ stuff, did the lastly mentioned thing on the forums aswell and now you are in the position to call yourself lucky that nobody gave you any punishment for that but you are in no position to question a thing like that. Why I think so? Finland did the same in much bigger intervals and got banned. Think about it.


-E out

[Gandalf]

Sf_Sa got unbanned even if he was hacking weapons and selling them for 0.3 and 0.5$ per bullet and was getting people banned, beside the other hacks he was having. He ruined the business, people were buying weapons for a lot more higher price and were selling them for 10-20 percent higher than they buy, but the prices went down a lot thanks to Sf_Sa.
He got a second chance, even if he did all these stupid actions, but why? Why should such a member of the community get unbanned after 1 year or less? A lot of people get banned for DM and sometimes they get an unban after 3-4months, DM is nothing for the hacks and ruining the economy and people's business but it takes only a few months more to get an unban if you hack.
Honestly, I love the community and I have nothing against it besides the unban of Sf_Sa. I know it's not my job to decide whether you're right or not, but I couldn't read this and not post my opinion.


Sincerely,
Lincoln.

First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
SF_SA was unbanned after an ever increasing ban time, and currently is banned until 2013, providing we do not catch him ban evading until then.
Like every other unban. we consider the circumstances and the backstory.
It is funny that people point at his bans and unbans, while many have profited from receiving a large stock of cheap weapons. I am sure that if we would take the time to actually remove every bullet that was produced by cheating many of the mafias would have no stocks left.
Next time a weapon hacker offers you cheap weapons, perhaps refuse him in light of your problem with SF_Sa.

[Murt]

First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
SF_SA was unbanned after an ever increasing ban time, and currently is banned until 2013, providing we do not catch him ban evading until then.
Like every other unban. we consider the circumstances and the backstory.
It is funny that people point at his bans and unbans, while many have profited from receiving a large stock of cheap weapons. I am sure that if we would take the time to actually remove every bullet that was produced by cheating many of the mafias would have no stocks left.
Next time a weapon hacker offers you cheap weapons, perhaps refuse him in light of your problem with SF_Sa.

Unlucky for him he has been caught three times already 

[Gandalf]

Unlucky for him he has been caught three times already 

According to him it was his friend. Poor guy, first his brother sets him up and now his friend....

[Lincoln.]

First of all, pointing at one player is a very bad example.
SF_SA was unbanned after an ever increasing ban time, and currently is banned until 2013, providing we do not catch him ban evading until then.
Like every other unban. we consider the circumstances and the backstory.
It is funny that people point at his bans and unbans, while many have profited from receiving a large stock of cheap weapons. I am sure that if we would take the time to actually remove every bullet that was produced by cheating many of the mafias would have no stocks left.
Next time a weapon hacker offers you cheap weapons, perhaps refuse him in light of your problem with SF_Sa.

I guess he won't read this thread since he doesn't give a fuck about Argonath since he's hacking and rulebreaking constantly.

Yes, I agree that a lot of people profited, but what that has to do with his unban? My friend got permanently banned because he couldn't control his anger while a hacker and a rulebreaker gets the second chance, gets banned again and then again has a third chance in 2013.
There is no next time, I was never offered to buy cheap weapons but I was informed by more than 20 people that some guy is selling 9,999 bullets every day of every weapon and making money. Every guy who has buying weapons from him could have made 1mil+ in one week, that's why we have a proble with RP in the community. People were RolePlaying earning money in a RP way while now, everyone has money and spending 2k is like spending 200$ back in 2009 and 2010.
I cannot say that some people who have a lot of money do not RolePlay, they do, but the, basically new players, ignore the RolePlay and open fire to show you how strong and rich they are because they have 500 M4 bullets and a 2k armor.

Unlucky for him he has been caught three times already 

 

[Gandalf]

I guess he won't read this thread since he doesn't give a f**k about Argonath since he's hacking and rulebreaking constantly.

Yes, I agree that a lot of people profited, but what that has to do with his unban? My friend got permanently banned because he couldn't control his anger while a hacker and a rulebreaker gets the second chance, gets banned again and then again has a third chance in 2013.
There is no next time, I was never offered to buy cheap weapons but I was informed by more than 20 people that some guy is selling 9,999 bullets every day of every weapon and making money. Every guy who has buying weapons from him could have made 1mil+ in one week, that's why we have a proble with RP in the community. People were RolePlaying earning money in a RP way while now, everyone has money and spending 2k is like spending 200$ back in 2009 and 2010.
I cannot say that some people who have a lot of money do not RolePlay, they do, but the, basically new players, ignore the RolePlay and open fire to show you how strong and rich they are because they have 500 M4 bullets and a 2k armor.

 

If your friend who could not control his anger would want, he might be unbanned as well. But as long as he keeps pointing at others and being angry, there is no use.
As for the money and other situations, we are tackling this in RS5. Before we will already start some lockdown, but I believe the people who are most vocal in their complaints are the ones who will suffer first.

[Murt]

I guess he won't read this thread since he doesn't give a f**k about Argonath since he's hacking and rulebreaking constantly.

Yes, I agree that a lot of people profited, but what that has to do with his unban? My friend got permanently banned because he couldn't control his anger while a hacker and a rulebreaker gets the second chance, gets banned again and then again has a third chance in 2013.
There is no next time, I was never offered to buy cheap weapons but I was informed by more than 20 people that some guy is selling 9,999 bullets every day of every weapon and making money. Every guy who has buying weapons from him could have made 1mil+ in one week, that's why we have a proble with RP in the community. People were RolePlaying earning money in a RP way while now, everyone has money and spending 2k is like spending 200$ back in 2009 and 2010.
I cannot say that some people who have a lot of money do not RolePlay, they do, but the, basically new players, ignore the RolePlay and open fire to show you how strong and rich they are because they have 500 M4 bullets and a 2k armor.

 

Not every player get treated the same in the unban section, it really depends what they have done, how much they have repeated it, how much bans they have had and so on.

There are various of factors to look in to. So there is no point of comparing of how some get a fast unban and some do not.