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[Devin]

You play with fire, you will get burnt.

[AryaN]

I usually saw many players use hacks when they are new in sa-mp and i'm one of them. My name was Ankit_Master and I was also banned for weapon hacks , airbreak and for many other hacks and i had ban evaded like 7-8 times. But atlast, when i spent my 1 year on sa-mp, I came to know about the purpose of sa-mp is to play for fun and that can be possible by playing fair and i came back to server and appealed for unban. I was so happy that i got unbanned. Everyone should have one chance in his life.

Sincerely,
Dexter_Corleone

[Frank_Hawk]

Most who ask this question are banned and in another community. They would love to have the same chance, maybe you will be in a similar position one day. Perhaps then you will find it a positive that we tend to unban people.

I'm neither and plan to keep it that way.

My question remains unanswered. Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?

Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?

[Gandalf]

I'm neither and plan to keep it that way.

My question remains unanswered. Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?

Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?

Because we feel they can make a more positive contribution to the server than those complaining elsewhere.

[Lincoln.]

If your friend who could not control his anger would want, he might be unbanned as well. But as long as he keeps pointing at others and being angry, there is no use.
As for the money and other situations, we are tackling this in RS5. Before we will already start some lockdown, but I believe the people who are most vocal in their complaints are the ones who will suffer first.

Well, I cannot say anything different from you, I agree.

Not every player get treated the same in the unban section, it really depends what they have done, how much they have repeated it, how much bans they have had and so on.

There are various of factors to look in to. So there is no point of comparing of how some get a fast unban and some do not.

You're right as well.

I'm neither and plan to keep it that way.

My question remains unanswered. Why are players, who are repeatedly banned (5+) unbanned?

Why are we undermining the efforts of community members by not addressing this issue?

You know, people who get banned 3-4 times in a row promise that they will not repeat that action, blah blah blah, and when they get denied for the first time, they decide to change their attitude and once they get unbanned after 2 months of waiting, they become great players.
I had an experience with getting banned 5 times for the same reason just because I couldn't control my anger, and when I got unbanned after 3 and a half months, I've changed my attitude and I didn't get a single ban since then.

[Gandalf]

You know, people who get banned 3-4 times in a row promise that they will not repeat that action, blah blah blah, and when they get denied for the first time, they decide to change their attitude and once they get unbanned after 2 months of waiting, they become great players.
I had an experience with getting banned 5 times for the same reason just because I couldn't control my anger, and when I got unbanned after 3 and a half months, I've changed my attitude and I didn't get a single ban since then.

Which means that according to some, you should not have had this chance at all.

[Frank_Hawk]

Well, I cannot say anything different from you, I agree.


You're right as well.


You know, people who get banned 3-4 times in a row promise that they will not repeat that action, blah blah blah, and when they get denied for the first time, they decide to change their attitude and once they get unbanned after 2 months of waiting, they become great players.
I had an experience with getting banned 5 times for the same reason just because I couldn't control my anger, and when I got unbanned after 3 and a half months, I've changed my attitude and I didn't get a single ban since then.

Which means that according to some, you should not have had this chance at all.

Good rationale to a degree.

In light of this, I agree with Lincoln and Gandalf in allowing people to return below 3-4 bans.

Anybody over this however should be given longer bans in the excess of 6 months to hold them accountable for their actions.

[Kirgiz]

Sf_Sa got unbanned even if he was hacking weapons and selling them for 0.3 and 0.5$ per bullet and was getting people banned, beside the other hacks he was having. He ruined the business, people were buying weapons for a lot more higher price and were selling them for 10-20 percent higher than they buy, but the prices went down a lot thanks to Sf_Sa.
He got a second chance, even if he did all these stupid actions, but why? Why should such a member of the community get unbanned after 1 year or less? A lot of people get banned for DM and sometimes they get an unban after 3-4months, DM is nothing for the hacks and ruining the economy and people's business but it takes only a few months more to get an unban if you hack.
Honestly, I love the community and I have nothing against it besides the unban of Sf_Sa. I know it's not my job to decide whether you're right or not, but I couldn't read this and not post my opinion.


Sincerely,
Lincoln.

Economy was already ruined by default.

[Gandalf]

Good rationale to a degree.

In light of this, I agree with Lincoln and Gandalf in allowing people to return below 3-4 bans.

Anybody over this however should be given longer bans in the excess of 6 months to hold them accountable for their actions.

If you check the unban section you might have noticed that since the times of Cutter and Kojak the unban times have been raised considerably, with as added bonus that they are published in the unban topic.
Managers are able to decide based on the information known to them while handling how long time is appropriate. In general HQ will interfere only if there is a very good reason, and the managers will know this reason and have possibility to object in case of a "famous" offender.

We do not work with a fixed number, or a fixed way of punishing. This has its disadvantages as it can be seen as 'random' and 'unequal', but at the same time it stops players from considering that they still have 2 bans to go before being removed a longer time.
In general, after being banned two times there is a good change every next ban will obtain a more and more extended time. However it also depends on the offense, for some their first ban is enough for a community routeblock.

[Frank_Hawk]

If you check the unban section you might have noticed that since the times of Cutter and Kojak the unban times have been raised considerably, with as added bonus that they are published in the unban topic.
Managers are able to decide based on the information known to them while handling how long time is appropriate. In general HQ will interfere only if there is a very good reason, and the managers will know this reason and have possibility to object in case of a "famous" offender.

We do not work with a fixed number, or a fixed way of punishing. This has its disadvantages as it can be seen as 'random' and 'unequal', but at the same time it stops players from considering that they still have 2 bans to go before being removed a longer time.
In general, after being banned two times there is a good change every next ban will obtain a more and more extended time. However it also depends on the offense, for some their first ban is enough for a community routeblock.

Thanks for explaining.

[Dolfagr]

If players do not comply with the rules, then they may find themselves in the wrong community or worse, banned for good.

[JDC]

I myself once asked the same questions Frank is asking now.

Upon first arriving in this community, I saw the limitations Aragorn initially set on bans, which was only one chance for unban after getting banned for hacks. I then questioned why unbans were being granted leniently (apparently), and it took some time before I understood why the HQ works on a case-by-case basis.

For instance, if a well-known controversial gangster/mafioso is banned along with a random new player for the same offense, then the probability is very high that the former's punishment will be longer. Factors such as previous punishment history are taken into consideration as well, and in some cases (i.e: Flaken), an ultimatum is given.

Membership in this community is something that is open for everyone who is willing to respect our community and system. People make mistakes, and get banned, and yet we give them the chance to redeem themselves. However, you will also see that the HQ has denied unbans to those who have utterly refused to change.

An example is Mario Rinna, who once held the record for the most bans on SA:MP (I do not know who the current record holder is, will check later), which was around 10 bans. Now, he is an administrator on the Argonath Wiki as well as an MTA:SA admin who contributes to the ingame structure.

It is not the number of bans that you have under your belt which determines if you are capable of changing for the better, but rather, your own actions.

[Kirgiz]

An example is Mario Rinna, who once held the record for the most bans on SA:MP (I do not know who the current record holder is, will check later), which was around 10 bans.

Nope.

[Frank_Hawk]

Nope.

Boyz 'N the Hood- "You think you tough"

[Kirgiz]

Boyz 'N the Hood- "You think you tough"

The Room - "Leave your stupid comments in your pocket!"