Why Deathmatches Occur.

[Ramo_Hawk]

If you suspect one, and another shoots you that isn't suspected, it's death-matching and you should report the one who shot you without even being a suspect.

Indeed. Unless they're inside their Mafia's HQ, then the civilians can shoot too. ( Rules )

[Gandalf]

"We allow everyone to play, as long as they follow our rules."
"It does not matter if you are a DMer"
- Since when is DMing is not against the rules?

Read carefully. It does not matter if you are a DMer, as long as you follow the rules. That includes having a roleplay reason to attack.

Because that way, you don't allow gangsters to roleplay. After all we are on a roleplay server.
When cops camp at Idlewood, we cannot do anything with them around.. if we go purchase some armors, the whole SAPD would be called to follow us.

So what they're civilians? They have trepassed the line by flaming at gangsters, its roleplay. We roleplay as gangsters. Imagine theres a hood filled with gangsters nearby and you go in it and start flaming them, they will all end up shooting at you.

See what you are doing there? You find it ok to shoot at anyone who comes by and is provoked in to flaming you, but find that the presence of cops hinders it.
If you pretend to be an active group that tries to control your hood, the cops have the right to 'lean' on you and disturb any activity. By adjusting your own behaviour to allow others in to the area and interacting with them in a non-DM oriented way, the Government would be less interested to give you attention.
So it is YOUR behaviour that creates what is going on there, not the interested civilians or cops trying to create order in your area.

[ClazzyJogel]

No it doesn't but if you point a gun towards him, attack him or offend him by anything, he have the rights to shoot you.

Really? So explain why I get shot by walking unarmed explaining politely to one of your ballas to holster their weapon?

And if the player engages you to tell you leaving his hood, that doesn't mean you can /su him because he is telling you to do something.

And that also doesent mean he can shoot me for being in a public place.

The cops are always telling everyone to remove their guns, if you own the gun legally, you're allowed to keep it in your hands.

Bullshit, everyone can own a legal gun, you are not allowed to keep it in your hands in a public place, even if its in a "gangster hod like idlewood"

[Gandalf]

Also Gandalf I want you to clarify one thing.

If I am standing at Idlewood suspecting a balla, does that give the balla a right to shoot me?

Because deathmatching is shooting without a RP reason, therefor shooting for being suspected is deathmatching right?
A SAPD officer told me that it is DM if they do, so im confused.

First of all, you will have to have a valid reason to suspect him. Provocations happen due to their nature, and as law officer you should take that in to account. If they proceed to assault you, or knowingly break the law, you might consider suspecting, but at the same time be wary that you will need backup should they get violent.
If someone gets suspected, they have the choice to fight, flee or give up. If they choose to fight upon suspection, that is not DM, as it is within their choice.

[Alsatian]

Man, I read the whole thing and that was some intense shit. Seemed like some brilliant roleplay to me.

[Gandalf]

No it doesn't but if you point a gun towards him, attack him or offend him by anything, he have the rights to shoot you. And if the player engages you to tell you leaving his hood, that doesn't mean you can /su him because he is telling you to do something. + The cops are always telling everyone to remove their guns, if you own the gun legally, you're allowed to keep it in your hands.

If an officer of the law points a gun at you, that does not give you the right to shoot him, nor tell him to leave.
Also please read the constitution where it clearly says you have the right to won and carry guns, but not the right to display them in public.

Indeed. Unless they're inside their Mafia's HQ, then the civilians can shoot too. ( Rules )

However a public street is, was, and will never be a mafia HQ, there for those rules do not apply there.

[Ramo_Hawk]

See what you are doing there? You find it ok to shoot at anyone who comes by and is provoked in to flaming you, but find that the presence of cops hinders it.

I find it very ok to shoot anyone who flames/provokes me because thats my roleplay character.

If you pretend to be an active group that tries to control your hood, the cops have the right to 'lean' on you and disturb any activity. By adjusting your own behaviour to allow others in to the area and interacting with them in a non-DM oriented way, the Government would be less interested to give you attention.

Everytime anyone tries to roleplay with an officer, the officers just /su and shoot themselves without roleplay and I believe thats forcing roleplay with /su which by the rules it is not allowed. And as everyone keeps yapping about the ballas are DMers because themselves ( other players ) bring the fight with their own hands, and because the ballas have great aim and they end up winning in wars, due to the logs the admins think we are actual Dmers so thats why we all get the blame.

+ Last time I was doing some roleplay with the ballas at Grove Street, and some new player shot at an admin, everyone got temp banned for 15Minutes and because everyone says "Ramo_Hawk is the leader", I got the most blame and got me temp baned for an hour..

If an officer of the law points a gun at you, that does not give you the right to shoot him, nor tell him to leave.
Also please read the constitution where it clearly says you have the right to won and carry guns, but not the right to display them in public.However a public street is, was, and will never be a mafia HQ, there for those rules do not apply there.

I never said it was, I was just explaining to him.

[Frank_Hawk]

Really? So explain why I get shot by walking unarmed explaining politely to one of your ballas to holster their weapon?

And that also doesent mean he can shoot me for being in a public place.

Bullshit, everyone can own a legal gun, you are not allowed to keep it in your hands in a public place, even if its in a "gangster hod like idlewood"

Officers who approach people with hostility will be met with hostility.

Officers who approach people with calmness will be met with calmness.

The best tips I can give to SAPD officers are:
- Never run when around the suspect, it makes them uneasy.
- Always try to walk when near a suspect, it eases them.
- Never spary a suspect, it irritates them and it's likely they will defend themselves.
- Never approach the area with hostility (i.e. speeding into a crowd, jumping out and running around)
- Try to use animations instead of aiming (i.e. /gunpoint 1)
- Never, ever ask a suspect to surrender using /m1 etc - it makes them uneasy and pressures them into shooting.
- Never 'rambo' a suspect in the midst of other gang members, but instead call for backup.

The best tips I can give to ballas/suspects are:
- Always remain calm when surrounded by officers
- Always use dialogue to negotiate
- Never attack unless shot/sparyed at
- Feel free to add to this section SAPD officers.

[Marcell]

If you suspect one, and another shoots you that isn't suspected, it's death-matching and you should report the one who shot you without even being a suspect.

remember that gang headquarters like Corleone villa are exception (not GS9 though since its 'too public' as aragorn stated lol), although some admins seem to forget about it since Rydell tempbanned me and Orel for it....

By the way to some guy saying 'IRL IF COPS PROVOKED US GANGSTAS WE'D SHOOT THEM ALL' irl if niggas see a cop car passing by their hood they run as fast as they can thinking they have a warrant to arrest one of them, etc.... at least in USA, after all Iraqwood isn't a brazilian favela


Patrick I suggest you to choose another role in Argonath if you can't handle losing/getting killed as a mafia member. In fact blame it on your immature (in roleplay sense) members who provoked the whole fight, you had your chance to become friends with us by paying 500k yet you have about 5-7 members so that's only like 100,000 per head, then we'd let all the shit go and we would help you in future too most likely.

[Orel]

remember that gang headquarters like Corleone villa are exception (not GS9 though since its 'too public' as aragorn stated lol), although some admins seem to forget about it since Rydell tempbanned me and Orel for it....

By the way to some guy saying 'IRL IF COPS PROVOKED US GANGSTAS WE'D SHOOT THEM ALL' irl if niggas see a cop car passing by their hood they run as fast as they can thinking they have a warrant to arrest one of them, etc.... at least in USA, after all Iraqwood isn't a brazilian favela


Patrick I suggest you to choose another role in Argonath if you can't handle losing/getting killed as a mafia member. In fact blame it on your immature (in roleplay sense) members who provoked the whole fight, you had your chance to become friends with us by paying 500k yet you have about 5-7 members so that's only like 100,000 per head, then we'd let all the shit go and we would help you in future too most likely.

Well yea me you and more guys got tempbanned for "deathmantching - shooting cops as civilian" - but tbh I didnt shot and Aragorn said we can fire at cops as civilians if we been with them all way long, meaning "cant shoot cops as civilian" is that you cant just drive around see a cop and sus fighting and start helping the sus

[Gandalf]

I find it very ok to shoot anyone who flames/provokes me because thats my roleplay character.

You are not allowed to roleplay a DMer.

Everytime anyone tries to roleplay with an officer, the officers just /su and shoot themselves without roleplay and I believe thats forcing roleplay with /su which by the rules it is not allowed. And as everyone keeps yapping about the ballas are DMers because themselves ( other players ) bring the fight with their own hands, and because the ballas have great aim and they end up winning in wars, due to the logs the admins think we are actual Dmers so thats why we all get the blame.

Your above sentence just proved you wrong.

+ Last time I was doing some roleplay with the ballas at Grove Street, and some new player shot at an admin, everyone got temp banned for 15Minutes and because everyone says "Ramo_Hawk is the leader", I got the most blame and got me temp baned for an hour..
I never said it was, I was just explaining to him.

Good. Perhaps you will explain new members the rules better.

[Marcell]

Well yea me you and more guys got tempbanned for "deathmantching - shooting cops as civilian" - but tbh I didnt shot and Aragorn said we can fire at cops as civilians if we been with them all way long, meaning "cant shoot cops as civilian" is that you cant just drive around see a cop and sus fighting and start helping the sus

That's not even the point since Rydell started shooting first while nobody was doing shit and like I already said it is stated that you can aid if you're non-suspect as long as members of your mafia/gang are together with you in the hq no matter how long u were together and shit I just can't find the post since the topic has like 80 pages

[SkyHawk]

I don't recall every spectating Idlewood, just wanna throw that out there..

[SugarD]

No. I thought people would see I had a legit story..

Ive been registered since August 2nd.. How am I supposed to know that someone pulling a stupid stunt like that should be thoroughly documented? If thats the case, Ill go reformat my NAS Server, and FRAPS every minute on the server. 

Why should I need to have any proof that some guy did this? An officer saw it, but he 'disappeared', and the Arresting officer also claimed to have saw it, and said my truck also flipped over, and exploded, then I got out of the truck and shot him while he was in LS, and it happened in LV.

Loads of little things. They weigh you down. Even in something thats supposed to be enjoyable.

Patrick, I'm sorry that this has happened to you, and no, you weren't expected to be aware beforehand. Like the rest of us, sometimes it just takes time to catch onto things everyone does here in order to learn these things as being useful or not. What I like about your complaint, however, is that you made us aware of your point of view as a new player, instead of moaning about it like many others have, in order to notify people of a situation with provided evidence, even if some things are questionable as being "disallowed".

However, the reason why I mentioned the screenshot function was because, as I said, can be your proof sometimes of odd situations like this, just as your logs are. There's no need to pull out FRAPS and run it 24/7.

As for the SA:MP server, deathmatching has become a bit of an issue. Admins are trying to combat it, but the server's morale has gotten a bit lower than it once used to be, so things are a bit iffy right now. As a solution, a new version of the scripts, dubbed "RS5", are in the works to not only create more fun ways to roleplay, but to also combat these common issues using a newly designed system that makes them less possible to begin with, and actually discourage it from the start. If you can try to hang on and have fun until it's released, then it might be worth playing when it comes out.

If at any point you feel upset and it seems like the admins in the server have "betrayed" you or "abused" you, you are also free to send an email, preferably with pics and/or logs, to [email protected], (for the SA:MP server), and the management and above will be able to read your complaint and respond accordingly.

Has anyone told you about the /report system in-game yet?
If not, you may use /report <ID #> <Reason>, and the in-game admins will get your report regarding a user that is rulebreaking.

Unfortunately, sometimes our experiences turn out to be bad...especially if they happen when we are still forming our first opinions of the place we are interacting in. Try and give it a chance man. I have a feeling that in due time you'll become as hooked as we are on this community, and it will turn out to be a ton of fun for you during your good times of roleplay.

Despite what others may think, you are also more than welcome to PM someone for help. Questions, concerns, or ideas are all welcome in this community so long as they aren't just there to point fingers, blame someone, or moan. Just remember when posting about something that is negative, even if you have positive intentions, that sometimes people will take it as negative and become defensive. Since we all love this community, we tend to protect it from those that don't. Don't let this discourage you, though!

Anyway, I will end this long post with saying that I hope you have a better day today, and that your roleplays go better so you can have more enjoyment out of them and have a good time!

Have a good one man.

[Alan.Wake]

I remember Corleone doing this multiple times on Gvardia and most of it backfired.