Why Deathmatches Occur.

[Patrick_Sivero]

I remember Corleone doing this multiple times on Gvardia and most of it backfired. 

Yeah, Apparently Gvardia and Corleone are no longer enemies, because Dr. Jarome Gvardia was there.. thanks for reminding me.

Has anyone told you about the /report system in-game yet?
If not, you may use /report <ID #> <Reason>, and the in-game admins will get your report regarding a user that is rulebreaking.

First, SugarD, Thank you for your consideration.

Second, Yes I know about the report command, and how to use it. It seems as if when I use it, nothing is done. Whether it be Deathmatching, or simply being frozen for 20 minutes because a cop false /su's me, I /gu, then He says "Nevermind." I report him, not because he did anything wrong in my eyes, but because now im frozen in position and said to /unsus me. Nobody did it. Nobody looked into it. I even PM'ed an Admin and he said to have the cop PM him to unfreeze me. After a 20 minute debacle trying to get the cop to PM the admin, and vice versa, nothing happened. Then another admin who had just joined saw my complaint, and unfroze me.

There is a problem. Some administration seem to have favorites, or a lack of concern for players.

When we had our issue with the Corleones, again we never understood why we were attacked in the first place, it resulted bad for our group. They would call us deathmatchers, and we would return the comment, only to find one of us banned for provoking. Please tell me why are there 1 way streets when it comes to this?

Again, There will be no name calling, finger pointing, or flaming of any kind on this. This is not a topic to complain about differences on.

[Hamza.]

/report works..
Don't give up and don't leave agonath  :poke:

[Gandalf]

Second, Yes I know about the report command, and how to use it. It seems as if when I use it, nothing is done. Whether it be Deathmatching, or simply being frozen for 20 minutes because a cop false /su's me, I /gu, then He says "Nevermind." I report him, not because he did anything wrong in my eyes, but because now im frozen in position and said to /unsus me. Nobody did it. Nobody looked into it. I even PM'ed an Admin and he said to have the cop PM him to unfreeze me. After a 20 minute debacle trying to get the cop to PM the admin, and vice versa, nothing happened. Then another admin who had just joined saw my complaint, and unfroze me.

Here is all your chatlog from that incident.

[23:23:17] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /report 3 False /su
[23:23:32] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /smoke 1
[23:24:02] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /s Hey assholes no guns!
[23:24:06] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /stopanim
[23:24:59] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /gu
[23:26:06] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : Umm am i going to be unsuspected?
[23:27:07] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 3 is it easier to jail me for 10 seconds and refund me my 200$?
[23:27:27] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /report 16 DM
[23:27:30] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /report 66 DM
[23:27:56] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /admins
[23:28:14] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /admins
[23:29:23] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /admins
[23:29:53] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 Can i get Unsuspected as TinMan requested/
[23:29:57] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 Can i get Unsuspected as TinMan requested?
[23:30:29] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 3 PM ID 96 to Unsuspect me.
[23:30:52] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 I also got a cop trying to Car kill me while /gu'd
[23:32:55] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 Did TinMan PM you?
[23:35:28] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 Can i be unsuspected now?
[23:35:55] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 3 Can you please PM Plam_Knight (96) to unsuspect me?
[23:36:40] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : ffs fucking cops false suspect me for shooting, then when i /gu they fuck off and noone unsuspect
[23:37:19] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 96 I guess he isnt going to PM.. just great.
[23:38:23] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 85 Can you unsuspect me? ID 3 False suspected me for shooting, then i /gu and he requested to
[23:38:44] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 85 unsuspected*
[23:39:12] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : Can someone unsuspect me or get me unfrozen for /gu?!
[23:39:22] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : As TinMan Requested?
[23:40:05] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : like 10 minutes
[23:40:15] CMD -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : /pm 3 What the fuck buddy?
[23:40:49] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : Seeing as i have been sitting here stuck in /gu for 10 minutes
[23:41:57] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : I was suspected falsely for shooting, then i /gu.. the officer requested i be unsuspected, and no
[23:42:08] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : of sitting here.
[23:42:29] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : Seriously nobody gives a shit?
[23:42:52] MSG -> Patrick_Sivero (17) : Murt, Thank you!

The problem here is that we have no clearvoyant admins on our team.
If you report a cop for false suspection, the admins advise you to give up and get investigated, as they are unable to determine if the reason is valid or not.
It took you 16 minutes before starting to explain to people that you were left alone frozen.
Once the admins noticed, you were cleared quickly.
To blame this on the admin team is incorrect, as you never approached any the fisrt 15 minutes.
Another possibility would have been to PM a cop to pick you up.

There is a problem. Some administration seem to have favorites, or a lack of concern for players.

When we had our issue with the Corleones, again we never understood why we were attacked in the first place, it resulted bad for our group. They would call us deathmatchers, and we would return the comment, only to find one of us banned for provoking. Please tell me why are there 1 way streets when it comes to this?

Again, There will be no name calling, finger pointing, or flaming of any kind on this. This is not a topic to complain about differences on.

There is always a problem that new groups will be called everything, and in some cases it may take time before people start to listen. What I can see you are doing a great job so far, and if you keep it up then people will know your group is doing good pretty soon.
However you got to understand that the admin team is not clearvoyant, and has instructions to act on what they witness only. Give admins time to react, but at the same time be specific in what the problem is.
The better you explain, the more help you will get.

[Salvatore_Zambino]

If this is a reason to leave Argonath, then I would suggest watching My Little Pony instead of playing GTA games.

LOL x a fucking billion times

[Mashgash]

You are newly registred and have not experienced even half of what Argonath offer. If you isn't suitable with the mafia role I advice you to find a role you like. It is lots of roles to try out, all you gotta do is to find them and explorer them

I must say that the roleplay scene you attached was properly done. You had several times to get away from there alive. I must say it's wierd your group have that attitude if you wish to form an alliance with the Corleone...

Good luck mate.

[Patrick_Sivero]

Gandalf, I appreciate you pulling that information and showing it. Glad to see i was not being over dramatic in my timeframe. From what I can see is i did /gu, and the officer just left me there.

The second incident, I /gu on the fire truck incident, I was still jailed for someone hitting my car and exploding, the LSPD, FBI, and Admins all doubted i was telling the truth.

Nobody cares..

Also, I was not personally apart of this, however my family had an issue within the last hour or 2, with a user named boozy.  The details aren't clear, as i wasn't there, however I believe it was returning after death. They reported him, and nothing happened for a while. Then he was banned for ban evading. It appears the Sivero tag receives a lapse in responsibility?

In addition, it could possibly be because Corleone members are administrators (?), and if we go to do anything, it evolves into a deathmatch, and if we request assistance, nothing gets examined?

You are newly registred and have not experienced even half of what Argonath offer. If you isn't suitable with the mafia role I advice you to find a role you like. It is lots of roles to try out, all you gotta do is to find them and explorer them

I must say that the roleplay scene you attached was properly done. You had several times to get away from there alive. I must say it's wierd your group have that attitude if you wish to form an alliance with the Corleone...

Good luck mate.

Completely understand. But why should I want to play if its not fun for me? Don't like gangs, do fire missions.. okay. Tired of being killed by fire extinguishers and fire fighters who are not open to suggestions on fire fighting tactics?

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[13:08:38] PM to Hady.(99): Please learn how to be a firefighter. Thanks.

[13:08:44] You entered a Firetruck(85), owner: Fire_Service_LV

[13:08:57] PM from Hady.(99): im the best firefighter

[13:09:17] PM to Hady.(99): Then why are you constantly killing me with your fire extinguisher?

[13:09:33] PM to Hady.(99): You have caught me on fire, and killed me with the fire extinguisher twice now.

[13:09:40] PM from Hady.(99): ok

[13:10:04] PM to Hady.(99): Dont spray it directly at others. Make a cross over the fire. Nobody will be killed if we do that

[13:10:50] PM from Hady.(99): dont tell me what to do

[13:10:57] PM to Hady.(99): Have fun in jail.


[13:11:07] Screenshot Taken - sa-mp-029.png
And Yes, while I was first joking about the Network Attached Storage and FRAPS, I am actually considering this now.

[Matt Murdock]

If this is a reason to leave Argonath, then I would suggest watching My Little Pony instead of playing GTA games.

^^

But yeah, I'm pretty sure Violent didn't mean ACTUAL 2kg of heroin and 3kg of weed from you. Even if they did, they'd pay you. Nobody on Argonath is as heartless to just end a new gang or family, we don't take shit personal.

And even if he did mean actual weed and heroin, well indeed he wanted to kill you, it wasn't a death match however.

Good roleplay none the less, you were surrounded by 11 or more of the best mafisos on Argonath, yet you were able to hold your shit in your pants and role played along. You earned my respect.

[=AV=Rob]

Patrick it could be worse i was warned earlier for "Suiciding while wanted" or something to the equivalent when what actually happened was simple, I fell off my bike down a huge rock and died and when i explained to the admin he gave the attitude that said *I really could not give a fuck*. So yeah it could be worse keep your chin up bud.  :banana:

[Marcell]

^^

But yeah, I'm pretty sure Violent didn't mean ACTUAL 2kg of heroin and 3kg of weed from you. Even if they did, they'd pay you. Nobody on Argonath is as heartless to just end a new gang or family, we don't take shit personal.

And even if he did mean actual weed and heroin, well indeed he wanted to kill you, it wasn't a death match however.

Good roleplay none the less, you were surrounded by 11 or more of the best mafisos on Argonath, yet you were able to hold your shit in your pants and role played along. You earned my respect.

He did. We changed it to 500,000$ / 5kg of weed due to negotation but they didn't agree either

[JDC]

DM never ends, because the same repeat offenders are unbanned which enables the vicious cycle to repeat.

The solution is to permanently ban repeat offenders.

Then you and your associates would have been gone from this community a long time ago.

This rude reply wasn't needed at all. You're a part of the administration, you should help and listen the players and not to mock them. If you were able to do your job properly, you would know he's a new player and he doesn't know how the things are here, not even the scenarios he's in.

And I would suggest you to grow up.
Your comment didnt help anyone.

I am here to get the facts across in the most direct manner possible, not to change diapers and cater to princesses. I am not surprised if those who found my comment disagreeable are those who do not have the balls to face the consequences of their actions.

This is a GTA Multiplayer server, and there will always be rulebreakers, disrupters, rogue players, idiots who shit on the community, jack asses, and all other sorts of vermin who want to disrupt your gameplay IG. Do not expect to get far in the community if you are utterly incapable of dealing with the aforementioned.

It is you who needs to grow up.  Be reminded that you are here to play, learn, roleplay, make friends, and have fun, instead of acting like a princess with a rat in her skirt. As Aragorn said, cannot handle DMers, flamers, and etc? Go play The Sims.

Shut the moaning, and continue playing. That's how you have fun.
If that solution does not work, then it is you who will need to change, before the community.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, I appreciate you pulling that information and showing it. Glad to see i was not being over dramatic in my timeframe. From what I can see is i did /gu, and the officer just left me there.

That is correct, however what you may not yet have understood is that admin do not get any notification if you /gu, nor is it theire responsibility to handle false suspection. There for from the 20 minutes waiting time, the most part was your fault, probably due to not being familiar.

You can not blame this on the admin team, they had no way of knowing.

The second incident, I /gu on the fire truck incident, I was still jailed for someone hitting my car and exploding, the LSPD, FBI, and Admins all doubted i was telling the truth.

Nobody cares..

It is not that nobody cares, but that such bugs are pretty rare due to the script offering protection from most killbugs. Once again the problem lies in witnessing an event. If it happens again, instantly report to admins (if possible also by PM) that you are killbugged. Within about one minute, they can see it from their admin chat and will react. After a longer time, they are no longer able to verify, which means they can not act on it.

Also, I was not personally apart of this, however my family had an issue within the last hour or 2, with a user named boozy.  The details aren't clear, as i wasn't there, however I believe it was returning after death. They reported him, and nothing happened for a while. Then he was banned for ban evading. It appears the Sivero tag receives a lapse in responsibility?

It is not just the Sivero tag. Once again, it is due to the instructions the admins have.
Without witnessing the reported rulebreak, they are not allowed to punish.
This may seem unfair if you put in a valid report, but the alternative would be that players could put an invalid report on your family and you would get punished without reason. That would really be unfair.

In addition, it could possibly be because Corleone members are administrators (?), and if we go to do anything, it evolves into a deathmatch, and if we request assistance, nothing gets examined?

The Corleone members that are admin are known to be extremely fair, and would more likely punish their own members as anyone else.

[ClazzyJogel]

JDC if your trying to impress someone with your badassness, your failing, no offence.
I have played here three weeks and I know already that your the strictest admin on the server, proud?

[Kirgiz]

JDC if your trying to impress someone with your badassness, your failing, no offence.
I have played here three weeks and I know already that your the strictest admin on the server, proud?

[Ricardo.]

I am here to get the facts across in the most direct manner possible, not to change diapers and cater to princesses. I am not surprised if those who found my comment disagreeable are those who do not have the balls to face the consequences of their actions.

This is a GTA Multiplayer server, and there will always be rulebreakers, disrupters, rogue players, idiots who shit on the community, jack asses, and all other sorts of vermin who want to disrupt your gameplay IG. Do not expect to get far in the community if you are utterly incapable of dealing with the aforementioned.

It is you who needs to grow up.  Be reminded that you are here to play, learn, roleplay, make friends, and have fun, instead of acting like a princess with a rat in her skirt. As Aragorn said, cannot handle DMers, flamers, and etc? Go play The Sims.

Shut the moaning, and continue playing. That's how you have fun.
If that solution does not work, then it is you who will need to change, before the community.

If I didn't have balls like you said, I wouldn't reply to your no sence quote.

I won't repeat myself again, if you don't know how to do your job properly, let another do it and don't say a word.

Anyway, if you want to continue this, take it to pm, I'm not willing to come here and see you bad girling around.

[Loco]

Man, don't you see JDC is rping a bad girl on forum ... Rly man, you should know that ...

No, what you said JDC don't make sense. You're telling they have no balls but they were the people who warned you - extra point for them.

You're saying these kind of people shouldn't play gta - Agreed, but SAMP can not control the real age of its players so everybody can play, therefore, you need to adequate your behaviour to them. You need also teach them how stuff are here and not act like you did.
I really don't care if it was said by Gandalf, aragorn or even my mom, I would not change my thought. It's a lack of respect to new players who don't know what to do and had no chance to join a decent mafia because their lack of skills.