Unban requests boards, restrict them.

[Devin]

Topic locked for the reason of making false accusations against Administration team.
Community / SA:MP HQ will take it from here.

Looks like you missed the Lock button...  :conf:

[Abraham]

Looks like you missed the Lock button...  :conf:

No, it was unlocked.



I'm not an administration-hater, so do not attempt to paint me as one, JDC.

Spoiler for Hiden:

I find it interesting how you make derogatory comments towards me, paint me in a bad light, challenge me (asking me to prove things that need not be proved) and then proceed with locking the topic, leaving me no chance to defend myself.
Defenition of bully/bullying.
"A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people."
"To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner."
Something to think about?

If you have any further problems with me personally there's the PM function, you can also find my Skype ID in my profile.

For future reference...
I'm not attempting to provoke anyone with this idea, it's a legitimate idea / possible fix to an issue I believe is present.
I'm also not trying to "out" anyone, in case you haven't noticed, I've refrained from linking to topics or naming anyone.
There's also no moaning going on, nor is there any shit throwing against "the administration" going on at all, nor any actions of "the administration", I could change the word "admins" with "individuals" if that would make some people feel more comfortable.

I fail to see why some feel the need to put the two in different categories, in this case, only people with the forum rank of "admin" or above has access to post in these boards, and as such "admins" is the word I used... "admins" in this case does in no way refer to "the administration". We're all players one way or the other.

I may be blunt, but I mean the best.

[Klaus]

I think this idea should be integrated on every servers unban request section, not just SAMP's.

[Richard.]

Meh...
Or it should just stay the same but managers/high ranked become more strict and not let admins post if they have nothing to do with it other than trying to keep him banned, like some admins do.

[Sweeper]

Highly supported.

Some administrators are just posting in unban requests to shit on the players, even though they were not involved in the situation. Even teamspeak administrators are posting in unban requests.

[Dolfagr]

Very good idea indeed. Only banning admin should partake in the appeal, and only if requested for confirmation. Managers can also view punishment records, so there is no need for a random Admin to post it, which can spark an argument.

 Lastly I believe Management is highly capable and trained in handling the Unban appeals and require no assistance, as the Adminstration's work is enforcing the rules and not handling Unban appeals.

[Abraham]

I think this idea should be integrated on every servers unban request section, not just SAMP's.

True, as an SAMP player I often forget about the other servers, haha.
Topic name changed.

Or it should just stay the same but managers/high ranked become more strict and not let admins post if they have nothing to do with it other than trying to keep him banned, like some admins do.

Managers+ have a lot of things to do as is and probably doesn't want to spend time being "strict" towards people in unban requests, as such it'd be easier if a webmaster simply changed the access rights.

[SugarD]

Very good idea indeed. Only banning admin should partake in the appeal, and only if requested for confirmation. Managers can also view punishment records, so there is no need for a random Admin to post it, which can spark an argument.

 Lastly I believe Management is highly capable and trained in handling the Unban appeals and require no assistance, as the Adminstration's work is enforcing the rules and not handling Unban appeals.

I have to agree with this. Managers are responsible for processing the requests anyway, and if they need information from an Administrator, or the Administrator needs to give a statement to the user, it's not hard for the Manager to just contact the Administrator in question for said info.

As for changing the rights, it should be as simple as one little permissions setting change on each unban request board, assuming mods aren't responsible for the rights.

[JDC]

The proposal would mean that it would be impossible for Managers and Administrators to inherit all their permissions from the same group (and for all separate groups involved to have separate set permissions), since board permissions work based on permission sets and not membergroups.

In short, this will destroy any uniform inherited permissions structure.

[SugarD]

The proposal would mean that it would be impossible for Managers and Administrators to inherit all their permissions from the same group (and for all separate groups involved to have separate set permissions), since board permissions work based on permission sets and not membergroups.

In short, this will destroy any uniform inherited permissions structure.

Not really. Neither one of those are linked between Managers and Administrators, and secondly, board permissions don't work on permission sets...they work on board permissions themselves. They are completely separate from general permissions of membergroups, as you pointed out, but they use set board profiles. A board profile can have completely different settings for all membergroups on any given profile.

Administrators and Managers do not use the same permission sets. Just like ARPD Forums, each servers' Administrator and Manager ranks inherit from a "permission set" created for each rank separately. For example:

__Administrator
 LU Administrator
 MTA:VC Administrator
 VC:MP Administrator
 MTA:SA Administrator
 SA:MP Administrator
 IV:MP Administrator
__Manager
 LU Manager
 MTA:VC Manager
 VC:MP Manager
...And so on.

That would not conflict with this idea in any possible way, nor would it matter regardless of any Manager group actually was inheriting from a lower rank permission set as they would simply just need Board Moderator rights until the rank was promoted, which most Managers already have regardless.

[diddeh]

Supported. I don't think that moderators /  administrators from other divisions (sa:mp, mta, stunt etc) should be posting around in other divisions than the one they are hired in (like, stunt mod posting in samp unban) since that is clearly just abuse.

[SugarD]

Supported. I don't think that moderators /  administrators from other divisions (sa:mp, mta, stunt etc) should be posting around in other divisions than the one they are hired in (like, stunt mod posting in samp unban) since that is clearly just abuse.

Yes, this too. It's actually already disallowed, but it's one of those commonly unwritten rules, and the permissions of the boards still physically allow it, so it becomes an issue to those who don't know or forget that it's still disallowed.

[JDC]

Not really. Neither one of those are linked between Managers and Administrators, and secondly, board permissions don't work on permission sets...they work on board permissions themselves. They are completely separate from general permissions of membergroups, as you pointed out, but they use set board profiles. A board profile can have completely different settings for all membergroups on any given profile.

Administrators and Managers do not use the same permission sets. Just like ARPD Forums, each servers' Administrator and Manager ranks inherit from a "permission set" created for each rank separately. For example:

__Administrator
 LU Administrator
 MTA:VC Administrator
 VC:MP Administrator
 MTA:SA Administrator
 SA:MP Administrator
 IV:MP Administrator
__Manager
 LU Manager
 MTA:VC Manager
 VC:MP Manager
...And so on.

That would not conflict with this idea in any possible way, nor would it matter regardless of any Manager group actually was inheriting from a lower rank permission set as they would simply just need Board Moderator rights until the rank was promoted, which most Managers already have regardless.

I did not mean that Administrators and Managers use the same group, but that the different ranks use their own inherited membergroups (_Administrator and _Manager). Apologies for my poor phrasing.

If you will restrict LU Administrators from posting in SA:MP Unban Requests through board permissions, then SA:MP Administrators will be forbidden as well since they also inherit their permissions from _Administrator, also used by the LU membergroup.

To allow Administrators of Server A to post in board A while disallowing Administrators of Server B would mean that Server A and B administrators cannot inherit their permissions from the same group.

[Abraham]

I did not mean that Administrators and Managers use the same group, but that the different ranks use their own inherited membergroups (_Administrator and _Manager). Apologies for my poor phrasing.

If you will restrict LU Administrators from posting in SA:MP Unban Requests through board permissions, then SA:MP Administrators will be forbidden as well since they also inherit their permissions from _Administrator, also used by the LU membergroup.

To allow Administrators of Server A to post in board A while disallowing Administrators of Server B would mean that Server A and B administrators cannot inherit their permissions from the same group.

Did you even bother reading the idea?

Please restrict the access to unban requests to managers only.

[JDC]

Did you even bother reading the idea?

If you will restrict Server A boards so that only Server A Managers can post in them, the same thing as I described above will happen, except replacing _Administrator with _Manager.

I was giving the description of how inherited permission system in SMF works, not the full rebuttal for the idea.