Parents have (foster) children taken away for their political beliefs.

[Mikal]

No, he is correct. People chuck out kids for the sake of child benefits, although frankly one could quite reasonably blame this on our ridiculous benefits system more than anything else. If they can play the government for money, why bother getting a job?

Exactly, they don't care about getting work and earning a retirement because they know they can get money off the government just by having kids alone, and some of them even fake back injuries and all to get disability allowance.

[Gandalf]

No, he is correct. People chuck out kids for the sake of child benefits, although frankly one could quite reasonably blame this on our ridiculous benefits system more than anything else. If they can play the government for money, why bother getting a job?

I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.

[Jubin]

I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.

Just adding the benefit of the UK it's the amount per week.
Eldest or only child    Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£20.30
Additional children (per child)    Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£13.40

Now get your math straight and calculate how much money you need to pay your rent, food, bills. See if you can manage living only thanks to child benefit in the UK.

[Reece]

Just adding the benefit of the UK it's the amount per week.
Eldest or only child    Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£20.30
Additional children (per child)    Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£13.40

Now get your math straight and calculate how much money you need to pay your rent, food, bills. See if you can manage living only thanks to child benefit in the UK.

That's one of many benefits you can get.

Income Support is extra money for those on a low income or none at all
Per week:
Lone parent   18 or over   Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£71.00
Couples   Both 18 or over   Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£111.45

You could get Housing Benefit to help you pay your rent if you’re on a low income.
Per week:
1 bedroom (or shared accommodation)   Up to £250
2 bedrooms   Up to £290
3 bedrooms   Up to £340
4 bedrooms   Up to £400

Council Tax Benefit is a reduction (money off) your Council Tax bill.
This will be 25% off if in a couple. If a single parent they can get up to 100%.

Their children will get free meals through their schooling Age 4 through to 16.
Of course we have free health care here too.
If they or their children are arrested, they will have free legal aid.

And a myriad of other benefits are available.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html

[Jubin]

Still won't help you live off of your kids alone.

[Reece]

Many people do rely on their benefits. Granted, the quality of life is going to be pretty shit. But it is very possible.

[Gandalf]

That's one of many benefits you can get.

Income Support is extra money for those on a low income or none at all
Per week:
Lone parent   18 or over   Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£71.00
Couples   Both 18 or over   Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£111.45

You could get Housing Benefit to help you pay your rent if you’re on a low income.
Per week:
1 bedroom (or shared accommodation)   Up to £250
2 bedrooms   Up to £290
3 bedrooms   Up to £340
4 bedrooms   Up to £400

Council Tax Benefit is a reduction (money off) your Council Tax bill.
This will be 25% off if in a couple. If a single parent they can get up to 100%.

Their children will get free meals through their schooling Age 4 through to 16.
Of course we have free health care here too.
If they or their children are arrested, they will have free legal aid.

And a myriad of other benefits are available.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5028913/All-you-need-to-know-about-immigration-in-Britain-today.html

Those benefits are available for everyone equally. If you do not need them, be happy and instead of 'blaming' better feel sorry that people need them.

Now look at what clothing and food costs, even if you are living on rice and bargains.

Finally, what are you blaming them for? If they were not there, the Government would not lower your taxes or pay you any more money. They would find other things to waste their income on, as goverments always do.

[Reece]

I'm not blaming them for anything, I am not Mikal. I was simply pointing out the range of benefits available.

[Mikal]

Still won't help you live off of your kids alone.

You actually can live of your kids with child benefits, that is why the British government is making changes to prevent people using their childs benefits as personal income.

I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.

My parents have 6 kids, my mum gets child benefits for 4 of them, since the rest of us are over 18, my dads worked all his life on the railway, but I still know for a fast you can make a decent living off child benefits, not to mention you CAN be on job seekers allowance when your getting child benefits for your kids, also it seems the Muslim community in the UK don't really care how they dress their kids, I saw a small kids down the local bootsale wearing pink barbie clothes... He was a boy, and I'm gathering his mum got the clothes at the bootsale, they give their kids cheap shit so that they do make money through child benefits.

Not targetting Muslims, just saying what I saw... I understand how I might sound harsh or facist, but I'm just saying what I know happens.

[Gandalf]

I am sure it happens, but what you are doing here is blaming others for your own problems. The immigrants mostly have a British passport, that gives them the same rights as you have, and should give them the same chances.
People deny them these chances, and then start pointing at them being on unemployment benefits. Which is about as valid as the conflict in Israel.

There is a lot of economic trouble in Europe, and the UK is no exception there. In such times people start making excuses as to why they are not able to go on holiday 4 times a year and buy a new car and TV as well.
Immigrants are an easy target there as they are 'strange' and 'not the same as we'. By shutting them out however you are not going to make them go away. The only thing you will reach is that if they manage to become succesful, they will shut YOU out.

[Mikal]

I am sure it happens, but what you are doing here is blaming others for your own problems. The immigrants mostly have a British passport, that gives them the same rights as you have, and should give them the same chances.
People deny them these chances, and then start pointing at them being on unemployment benefits. Which is about as valid as the conflict in Israel.

There is a lot of economic trouble in Europe, and the UK is no exception there. In such times people start making excuses as to why they are not able to go on holiday 4 times a year and buy a new car and TV as well.
Immigrants are an easy target there as they are 'strange' and 'not the same as we'. By shutting them out however you are not going to make them go away. The only thing you will reach is that if they manage to become succesful, they will shut YOU out.

I agree with you on some points, but there was an incident in 2010 I think it was, A bunch of idiots who support islam decided to crash a British soldiers coming home parade by calling them terrorists and child killers as they arrived, they got lucky that police were there still to protect them even after they had basicly insulted Britain, the police still stuck up for their rights and protected them from the angry British mob that wanted their heads. They cause more problems with religion in the UK than they do with the benefits system, for example, another reason they flock to the UK in numbers is because the UK is one of the only places in Europe where these religious women can completely cover their whole body with their table cloths, what ever they are called.. There was political arguments going on about that because they can't really be identified, and if police arrest one of them in order to identify them, the police are then breaching their civil rights by removing the persons head table cloth.

The UK is one of the most non-religious countrys in the world, atleast it's starting to look that way, with only 46% of Britains population being in a religion and that percentage is declining fast as, for example I found This on Google which is just a comparison of money to America's, if a country like America still has religious text on their money, and Britain has the one man who completely challenged religion, that has to show what the modern Britain is like.. Nearly every immigrant that comes to the UK is in a religion or very religious, why I ask, do they come to the least religious place in the world, or in Europe atleast, and run round chanting religious or anti-facist shit, the job centers don't kick them off job seekers allowance, why? Thats because whenever the government does something negative against a minority such as remove his/hers benefits or maybe the police hurt one of them whilst trying to arrest them, it's instantly a national racist/facist issue, just like the London riots last year, it started off with a bunch of black people protesting after a British armed response unit shot a black man dead for reasons which I don't know, anyway, they shot the black man dead, instantly black people were protesting in London, soon after Britains shit head white chavs joined in for fun and robbed/looted anything that they could make a pound on, now I'm not saying all black people in Britain are immigrants because of course theres British born minorities, but the fact that these immigrants and minorities turn everything into a facist/racist issue is enough to piss British born people off, I guess this is one of my problems with people immigrating to the UK, the British government is just too soft these days, so you could also say the problem lays with the British government being to soft, and not immgrants or minorities.

Not trying to be facist or racist here, just speaking my mind.

[Gandalf]

Read the news from Holland, Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy.... you will see the same words, the same objections, the same incidents.

If you read news from Moscow you might even see the same, although there a Muslim in full dress will not appear in the street yet. Still people are angry on immigrants in the same way as you are.

Then cross the ocean and read how Americans talk about Mexicans. Again the same old story.

Bottom line is people are looking for an excuse to blame their trouble on others.

[Darxez]

I guess its time for you to have some kids. Then you will understand that they cost far more as the government pays.

Depends what kind of parents you have, if you have mine.. You would understand why I'm living with my Grandparents and my Godfather (I'm not going to share this, to private and it still hurts me :/) (kinda like a foster, both, depends where I'm going next year for my studys). I'm currently with my grandparents.

Anyway... I've got experience with this, I'm a ''trouble'' kid myself. And I used to life in Amsterdam/Hellevoetsluis for a while, right now I life in France.. And I'm being bullied as a idiot because my French is less better then the rest of the class, but I do still get better notes :/.

[Antonio.]

Those benefits you guys are bragging about people misusing are pretty damn low. I imagine how it would be like here in Germany, each kid gets about 200 euros a month until he is in school.

[Darxez]

School is free here as long it is a public one (which is not the case with me), you only pay 160€ for the food for every 2-3 months. Health care = most of the time free (you have to pay the dentist and the doctor yourself, doctor is only 21€, dentist, for a control for example, is around 30€). Neither the less, you can get money from school (--> goverment), if you income is to low. Which is absolutely not the case with us (noany show off, don't forget the fact that the Netherlands has a expensive culture, while France is a quite poor country in the side where I life).  We're not getting any money from the state, my granddad his retirmend already gives more then a regular income in this region, even with the fact they shorted it.