Qustion about revenge-killing.

[Aca]

Hello there,

I have one question. Is allowed to revenge your dead friend?
Today, while I was driving around, PedroBlaze, was near Ammunation. I wanted to speak with him, because Gvardia is enemy with Blaze. I started talking, but he just drove off. I said 'Stop' he didn't stop, so I started shooting, he answered with fire, and I killed him. I was just standing, and when I turned around, I saw one guy. He killed me from my back, without any word said. I reported him, but no one answered. I asked =AV=Huskar, can he respond but he said he cannot. Also, [Rstar]Razor, I asked him to check, but he didn't reply anything. My friends from Gvardia wanted to revage me. They started chasing him, and finally they saw him. He was just standing, near NRG. When He saw them, he drove off. They were following him, and he was evading. When Gile finally rammed him, he was on ground. They started shooting, and he even answered fire, but Gile killed him. Some minutes after, He reported them. And Midget was talking with Gile and Jeremy. They end up banned. Gile got tempban, Jeremy got ban. I was talking with Midget about bans, and He tald me that I had to report that guy (Bandit.). I said that I reported him (As I did). But Midget tald me that he didn't see it. And all he saw is Gile killing Bandit.

So, my question is 'Is killing to revange friend allowed?'

Here are logs:

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[18:44:56] Aleksandar_GvardiaT(7) shouts: STOP!!

[18:44:57] PedroBlaze registered on the 20th of April, 2011.

[18:44:59] <Mikal> (87) Tomer touches me here o<-<

[18:45:00] ***[8888] Michael_Gvardia(69): zdravo nubovi

[18:45:04] <ClaN_Tomer> (46) no

[18:45:04] ***[8888] Michael_Gvardia(69): i mean hi friends

[18:45:04] PedroBlaze registered on the 20th of April, 2011.

[18:45:06] Aleksandar_GvardiaT(7) shouts: STOP!!

[18:45:08] ***[8888] Gile_GvardiaT(14): Jedi kitu

[18:45:08] Mr.SHAHBAZ_RULLZ(27) has joined the server from Pakistan.

[18:45:08] ***[8888] Petar_GvardiaT(52): hahahahahahaha

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[18:45:09] <Alexander_Stracci> (103) asshole?

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[18:45:14] ***[8888] Petar_GvardiaT(52): budny?

[18:45:15] Nadeem_Massini(73) has joined the server from Israel.

[18:45:15] ***[8888] Michael_Gvardia(69): to samo ti znas

[18:45:15] <Mikal> (87) No it's a stick man

[18:45:15] <Amirul_Akmal> (105) weeeee

[18:45:24] ***[8888] Jeremy_GvardiaT(66): Back.

[18:45:24] <Mikal> (87) He touches me everywhere

[18:45:25] You entered a Mesa(963), owner: [State]

[18:45:28] ***[8888] Gile_GvardiaT(14): kuca,oces neces?

[18:45:35] GANDALFstyle was banned by =Av=Huskar(21) for Weapon Hacks style.

[18:45:35] <Andy_Cambretti> (51) Tomer I will need to ask you where you get name ClaN

[18:45:41] ***[8888] Jeremy_GvardiaT(66): English guys? :p

[18:45:45] You are wanted because of this kill

[b][18:45:45] The hitman contract on PedroBlaze(61) for $2500 is over, killing them is now DM.[/b]

[18:45:47] <Syndicate.> (98) HAhaha

[18:45:48] <Mikal> (87) He named it after a clan

[18:45:49] ***[8888] Aleksandar_GvardiaT(7): Done.
Also,
Proof that I reported Bandit. (Guy who killed me from my back)

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[18:46:08] You reported Bandit.(ID:71) to admins for DM.
Cheers

[Shorty.]

Well , I think Yes but you HAVE to Rp that your friend dead or something .

[Aca]

Well , I think Yes but you HAVE to Rp that your friend dead or something .

I will wait for someone 'high ranked' to respond.

[Brian]

I think no, if your friend dies ofcourse you get noticed soon if he did not get murderd and body dumbed, as the body was clear vision they will find out.
Gvardia is also a quite big family and has connection with police and maybe FBI (as they can RP so)r
It will be not hard for them to find out their 'friend/family' is dead and who did so (/mdc by police)
Thats why I think their punishment is wrong. But im not a admin so ye. I think it was RPed,

[Jeremy.]

There are a lot of things how you can revenge your mate, as Brian said. Since me and Gile wanted to have a talk with him, he refused and we started to shoot at his tires. Also we didn't force him to role-play. He ran > he accepted it. He shoot > he accepted.

[Megamidget]

I think the problem could have never happened if the initial encounter had been done properly, Shouting stop and then someone continuing to drive gives you no right to just shoot them and quite frankly boarders on Deathmatching.

And in any case, i believe things like killing someone as revenge is never allowed

[Cyril]

I said 'Stop' he didn't stop, so I started shooting

What a nice reason to shoot at people.. Trigger happy ?

[Jeremy.]

What a nice reason to shoot at people.. Trigger happy ?

I don't think that is the topic to troll about it.

As he didn't co-operate and tried to escape, he is allowed to shoot becaue he got a reason. If the guy doesn't like it, he could /report, right?

[Cyril]

I don't think that is the topic to troll about it.

Where is the troll ? Please, review the definition of troll.
And no, you are not allowed to shoot at people just because they don't listen you.

[Gandalf]

If you wish to revenge a friend who died, first of all you have to take it up not with the killer but with the leader of the organization.
Your highest person online sets up a meeting with the highest person of the group that killed the friend, and explained you felt harm was done that needs retribution.

Now depending on which kind of group you are meeting and their protocols there can be several ways to go forward.

1. The leader of the other group takes responsibility and gives you a satisfactory retribution.
2. The leader of the other group takes responsibility but decides that if you want anything you have to prove it in a fight.
3. The leader of the other group call for the killer and makes an example of him in front of the eyes of the group seeking revenge.
4. The leader of the other group calls it none of the groups business, you need to go after th guy alone.

Now after this in scenario 1 and 3 things are over. In scenario 2 probably there will be a group shootout. And in scenario 4 you can corner, hunt and kidnap the guy.

By doing it this way you prevent that once you kill one guy there starts an endless circle of revenge which is not only leading to constant DM, but also loses the point of your roleplay.

[Shorty.]

If you wish to revenge a friend who died, first of all you have to take it up not with the killer but with the leader of the organization.
Your highest person online sets up a meeting with the highest person of the group that killed the friend, and explained you felt harm was done that needs retribution.

Now depending on which kind of group you are meeting and their protocols there can be several ways to go forward.

1. The leader of the other group takes responsibility and gives you a satisfactory retribution.
2. The leader of the other group takes responsibility but decides that if you want anything you have to prove it in a fight.
3. The leader of the other group call for the killer and makes an example of him in front of the eyes of the group seeking revenge.
4. The leader of the other group calls it none of the groups business, you need to go after th guy alone.

Now after this in scenario 1 and 3 things are over. In scenario 2 probably there will be a group shootout. And in scenario 4 you can corner, hunt and kidnap the guy.

By doing it this way you prevent that once you kill one guy there starts an endless circle of revenge which is not only leading to constant DM, but also loses the point of your roleplay.

So your saying its Allowed , but it have to be a role play with both of the leaders , right ?

[Devin]

Just because a person doesn't stop when you yell "stop" does not mean that they're accepting some roleplay or that you may shoot them either by just whipping out a gun and classify it as roleplay.

[Antonio.]

What a nice reason to shoot at people.. Trigger happy ?

That's the same reason cops always shoot at suspects... Are all cops trigger happy?

And no, you are not allowed to shoot at people just because they don't listen you.

Next time you tell me to give up and I don't, you better not shoot.

Just because a person doesn't stop when you yell "stop" does not mean that they're accepting some roleplay or that you may shoot them either by just whipping out a gun and classify it as roleplay.

This is a role-play server. If they are going online to just get into an infernus and ignore anyone who interacts with them, I think they should be admin jailed and killed 100 times.

[Cyril]

That's the same reason cops always shoot at suspects... Are all cops trigger happy?
Next time you tell me to give up and I don't, you better not shoot.

If you are a suspect, it's different. You have to obey to cops.
If you don't, then you'll probably die.

[Mikal]

Hey I'm in you're chat logs! :hurray:

[18:45:15] <Mikal> (87) No it's a stick man
[18:45:24] <Mikal> (87) He touches me everywhere
[18:45:48] <Mikal> (87) He named it after a clan

However it seems you're a bit trigger happy in the first place, why start shooting him when he drove off? Surely you could have used your phone to contact him instead of instantly shooting, theres always a more RPed option in Argonath, alot of people seem to just let their guns do the talking, which is pathetic.. :poke: