Four shot dead in Tulsa, Oklahoma

[John_Goldman]

It's predicted that US states will start to break away in the coming years, it may be over something such as this..

It's funny how Americans including their government say 'We need more guns, not less' or 'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun', what a load of shit... They are just denying the only solution.

says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.

[Mikal]

says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.

Thats a complete load of bollocks to be honest.. Provide a better source than a company who does a daily news paper with a nude section.

[John_Goldman]

I don't exactly know what news agencies are considered ''legitimate" in the UK, but here's this one.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html

While the UK has very low gun homicides,  to my understanding(which could be wrong as I have never been to Europe) the UK has very, very low rates of street gangs compared to the US. The majority of gun homicides in the US are committed by illegal street gangs, not the citizens who stand up for their rights. Criminals acknowledge the fact that citizens are armed in the US and fear being captured, or worse shot and killed. While the criminals in the UK now are understanding that civilians are walking targets who are completely defenseless and they take advantage over it, like most criminals would. Who would you rather rob, someone who could possibly be armed, or someone you know can only defend themselves with their fists, or other objects they may carry?

[Mikal]

I don't exactly know what news agencies are considered ''legitimate" in the UK, but here's this one.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html

While the UK has very low gun homicides,  to my understanding(which could be wrong as I have never been to Europe) the UK has very, very low rates of street gangs compared to the US. The majority of gun homicides in the US are committed by illegal street gangs, not the citizens who stand up for their rights. Criminals acknowledge the fact that citizens are armed in the US and fear being captured, or worse shot and killed. While the criminals in the UK now are understanding that civilians are walking targets who are completely defenseless and they take advantage over it, like most criminals would. Who would you rather rob, someone who could possibly be armed, or someone you know can only defend themselves with their fists, or other objects they may carry?

IMO this high crime rate is some bullshit pulled by the EU as the EU hates the UK to the bone and the opposite, sure it might be true, but it's over exaggerated aswell, the UK, as with every place in the world has it's crime hotspots, such as London, Liverpool, Cardiff, Newcastle, Edinborough, but whats missing is the guns.. People may get mugged, but they don't get shot to death, would you rather be mugged or shot to death? That in my mind, makes the US have a higher crime rate than the UK, theres a large difference between shooting someones and robbing someone.

[Matt Murdock]

says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.

There's a huge difference between getting mugged and getting murdered, lad.

and I'd choose to be mugged anyday over getting killed once.

[John_Goldman]

There's a huge difference between getting mugged and getting murdered, lad.

and I'd choose to be mugged anyday over getting killed once.

We're not talking murders, we're talking violent crime. Yes the US has a large amount of murders compared to the UK, but it's violent crime rate is less.

[Radagast]

Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the US and any country in Europe, according to the Conservative Party.

(Source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html)

Jews are also bad according to the Nazi Party. That's why all things are relative.

[Mikal]

We're not talking murders, we're talking violent crime. Yes the US has a large amount of murders compared to the UK, but it's violent crime rate is less.

Murders are violent crimes.. :poke:

(Source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html)

Jews are also bad according to the Nazi Party. That's why all things are relative.

True dat

[Dexter]

This isn't them gaining fame or any of the sort. This is a serious situation that is occuring far too frequently in America at the moment. Bringing this to the attention of others is not an idiotic move, buddy.

I did not mean that it is idiotic move to bring this up to the news. Idiotic move is from those killers that they are killing those who are reading these news so they have less people to actually give them attention. Sort of black joke inside the meaning but yeah..

But while we are on this subject I must say that in some cases media does indeed give too much attention. Of course they should report these dramas but headlines with like *SPECIAL INTERVIEW OF MASS MURDERER'S MOM*... That's what I call unnecessary. But because this mass murdering seems to begin everyday thing, which is sad ofc , they have nothing new to offer anymore of these kinda things. So yeah hopefully these news stays as reports of actual cases.

[JayL]

The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.

[JAMEZZZ]

its sad that we live in a world full of violence, hate and you know the rest...

[Matt Murdock]

The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.

I have no doubts anymore, its the downfall of USA, enough time USA spent as a superpower, Welcome to the league of countries like Zambia and Zimbabwe.

[SugarD]

The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.

Culture, huh?

An amnesty can be held (as was held here in 1997 when all handguns are banned. Then anybody who is caught gets a hefty prison sentence.

It did work in reducing gun crime, of course it would be dumb to think it would stop it, but here's some information from a BBC article:

In 1995, 44 people between five and 16-years-old were victims of homicide. In 2005-06 the number was less than half of that - and during the in-between years it varied wildly. In the last year, it went up again. Crucially, almost half of all child victims are killed by a parent.

Gun ownership is high in the US, so some time would be needed to carry it out. The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

Snipped from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list the data is from 2007.

Pretty sure that's not the U.S. culture at fault.

[Batta]

Culture, huh?
Pretty sure that's not the U.S. culture at fault.

Clearly wrong. Not even worth to discuss.

[SugarD]

Clearly wrong. Not even worth to discuss.

If it's wrong, show me your evidence. I'm fairly certain his is considered proof given that it's backed by statistical facts.