2 wounded in shooting at California high school

[Reece]

DEVELOPING: At least two people were shot at a high school in Taft, Calif., Thursday morning and the shooter--believed to be a student armed with a shotgun-- was taken into custody, officials say.
Kern County Fire Department said one victim refused treatment at the scene and the other was transported to Kern County Medical Center. One of the victims was a student, the Associated Press reported. The victims' ages were not immediately released.

23ABC news reported that the station received phone calls from people inside Taft Union High School who were hiding in closests. The station reported that authorities are sweeping the school. The situation is considered stable and students were evacuated to the football field.

City manager's assistant Debra Elliott says the shooting was reported shortly after 9 a.m. She did not provide further details.
Taft is a city west of Bakersfield with a population of about 7,000.

Reports of the latest shooting comes as the country debates gun control after the deadly shooting inside a Connecticut elementary school last month.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/10/2-shot-at-california-high-school/#ixzz2HbFEAOG0

[AK47]

Maybe they should strict the gunlaw more huh..  :poke:

[SugarD]

Maybe they should strict the gunlaw more huh..  :poke:

Kids can't legally buy shotguns and take them to schools. Don't blame this on gun laws.

Edit: According to local news, the shooting has only left the one student shot, and he's at the hospital now. The shooter is in custody. The second student "victim" in question is not clear as to whether he was shot or not, but is confirmed involved.

[Matt Murdock]

Kids can't legally buy shotguns and take them to schools. Don't blame this on gun laws.

Edit: According to local news, the shooting has only left the one student shot, and he's at the hospital now. The shooter is in custody. The second student "victim" in question is not clear as to whether he was shot or not, but is confirmed involved.

I seriously can't give a damn about what law says, if the laws aren't tight enough that even a high school student can acquire a shotgun, the laws definitely lack somewhere, or your government and police force does, in implementing them.

Quite sure, if this happened somewhere else in the world, there would had been lots of firings, not by the guns, but from government positions, possibly even a mutiny.

[SugarD]

I seriously can't give a damn about what law says, if the laws aren't tight enough that even a high school student can acquire a shotgun, the laws definitely lack somewhere, or your government and police force does, in implementing them.

Apparently you don't understand the part where it's still illegal. Criminals don't follow the laws. I'm pretty sure tightening them further is not going to change that.

[Batta]

Apparently you don't understand the part where it's still illegal. Criminals don't follow the laws. I'm pretty sure tightening them further is not going to change that.

Criminals are afraid of the sureness of punitions, doesn't matter how hard they are (Cesare Beccaria). Probably that's what you can't assure.

[SugarD]

Criminals are afraid of the sureness of punitions, doesn't matter how hard they are (Cesare Beccaria). Probably that's what you can't assure.

They are criminals. They aren't going to follow laws regardless of how strict they are. That's why they still break them. If they were afraid of the punishments, they wouldn't be breaking them now.

[Gandalf]

They are criminals. They aren't going to follow laws regardless of how strict they are. That's why they still break them. If they were afraid of the punishments, they wouldn't be breaking them now.

There is one thing which you forget and that is opportunity.
In the US you pretty much will know someone who has a shotgun, be it your parents, your grandparents or an acquintance. This means that the possibility to get a gun from a non-criminal source is incedibly high.
In Europe chances to obtain a similar gun without going to criminal resources would be 90% lower. A student who has a shorted out brain will not easily get the gun from somewhere.
While you will not stop criminals, you will give much less opportunity to become one by stricter gun laws.

[Reece]

I could very easily get myself a shotgun. All I need to do is go to my uncles houses, walk in, go upstairs, under the bed, and hello shotgun.

It is fairly easy for many people to get access to a shotgun here; especially if you have family who are farmers. But no where near as easy as it is in America.

[Mikal]

I could very easily get myself a shotgun. All I need to do is go to my uncles houses, walk in, go upstairs, under the bed, and hello shotgun.

It is fairly easy for many people to get access to a shotgun here; especially if you have family who are farmers. But no where near as easy as it is in America.

My neighbor has a shotgun and a rifle, community officers visit his house every so often to make sure the ammo is the same amount and that the guns are locked away properly, does this mean your uncle has his shotgun and it's not registered? To my knowledge if a gun is registered police or community officers will often visit to make sure everything is in order.

There is one thing which you forget and that is opportunity.
In the US you pretty much will know someone who has a shotgun, be it your parents, your grandparents or an acquintance. This means that the possibility to get a gun from a non-criminal source is incedibly high.
In Europe chances to obtain a similar gun without going to criminal resources would be 90% lower. A student who has a shorted out brain will not easily get the gun from somewhere.
While you will not stop criminals, you will give much less opportunity to become one by stricter gun laws.

:hurray:

[Matt Murdock]

Apparently you don't understand the part where it's still illegal. Criminals don't follow the laws. I'm pretty sure tightening them further is not going to change that.

Then what the heck are your law enforcement agencies and government are doing? Being sitting ducks?

Isn't it their job to catch and confiscate illegal stuff, isn't thats whats they are paid for?

Oh, wait, now you're going to tell me, they don't get paid enough, so they let the criminals run free since those illegal gun shop dealers give them a fair share of profit, right?

[Reece]

My neighbor has a shotgun and a rifle, community officers visit his house every so often to make sure the ammo is the same amount and that the guns are locked away properly, does this mean your uncle has his shotgun and it's not registered?

 :trust: Obviously it's licensed. My family are not criminals. It is locked in a cabinet and locked, as required by the law.

[SugarD]

There is one thing which you forget and that is opportunity.
In the US you pretty much will know someone who has a shotgun, be it your parents, your grandparents or an acquintance. This means that the possibility to get a gun from a non-criminal source is incedibly high.
In Europe chances to obtain a similar gun without going to criminal resources would be 90% lower. A student who has a shorted out brain will not easily get the gun from somewhere.
While you will not stop criminals, you will give much less opportunity to become one by stricter gun laws.

I don't know anyone with a shotgun personally, aside from some Law Enforcement, but as you even mentioned before, it's about education. If people locked up their weapons like an intelligent person, that entire argument would be next to nil unless the owner was forced to hand it over, in which case it's still illegal.

Then what the heck are your law enforcement agencies and government are doing? Being sitting ducks?

Isn't it their job to catch and confiscate illegal stuff, isn't thats whats they are paid for?

Oh, wait, now you're going to tell me, they don't get paid enough, so they let the criminals run free since those illegal gun shop dealers give them a fair share of profit, right?

How exactly do you propose they find weapons that have existed in the country for hundreds of years? How about the ones that were brought in illegally which they don't even know exist? If you come up with a viable and realistic plan which is completely legal, safe, and possible, I'll be sure to forward it to the Department Of Justice personally.

[Reece]

How exactly do you propose they find weapons that have existed in the country for hundreds of years? How about the ones that were brought in illegally which they don't even know exist? If you come up with a viable and realistic plan which is completely legal, safe, and possible, I'll be sure to forward it to the Department Of Justice personally.

An amnesty can be held (as was held here in 1997 when all handguns are banned. Then anybody who is caught gets a hefty prison sentence.

It did work in reducing gun crime, of course it would be dumb to think it would stop it, but here's some information from a BBC article:

In 1995, 44 people between five and 16-years-old were victims of homicide. In 2005-06 the number was less than half of that - and during the in-between years it varied wildly. In the last year, it went up again. Crucially, almost half of all child victims are killed by a parent.

Gun ownership is high in the US, so some time would be needed to carry it out. The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.

But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

Snipped from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list the data is from 2007.

[Mikal]

:trust: Obviously it's licensed. My family are not criminals. It is locked in a cabinet and locked, as required by the law.

I never said your family is criminals, I'de never make such accusation over a gaming forums..
Do police ever visit your uncle though? If not then I guess different areas of the UK have different proceedures regarding guns. :poke: