Is this right?

[Mr. Goobii]

I can agree that it should not be permitted to do DM-events. What so ever, it only makes people think it's allowed to DM, what do you think about a new player who just join the server and sees a big event info which is about killing some dudes who driving around the city, it's not cool...

After all, I think administration does pretty good.

[Kirgiz]

4) Admins mixing roleplay with admin duty.
Now this happens a lot. Admins do sometimes mix roleplay with admin work. If some players are breaking the law, or company, SAPD, or such rules, they shouldn't be punished for it. Admins should only enforce server rules.

Was recently stuck with some police officer, who wasn't actually a police officer but a goddamn freecop, but then admin, was shouting that if we don't want to listen to his orders he'll copban.

I think people like the particular person are the scum of earth and should be ridden of their privileges at once. This is crossing over the line. 

[JackWhite]

About killing events, according to what Gandalf told me once, its not allowed. I had a 2 minute event where the first one to kill Diddeh won 1 million, which was 99 percent of my cash.  Gandalf then "joined" the event and slayed Diddeh and took my cash. I were set in prison for some time while I talked to him over PM, I got out and he told me it was a lesson. I asked him for my money back and he kind off made a private event, if I killed Diddeh within 30 sec, I would get it back. Exactly 28 seconds later Diddeh were dead and I got my money back  :pop:


So to all of you making killing events, don't do it, lol.

[Kirgiz]

- Many of you think they can rulebreak because they do it to a friend... This is false. Rules apply for everyone. Saying "f**k you", carkilling, beating your friends doesn't make it legit because it's "your friends" and he didn't report you.

No, sorry, I've never understood this retarded logic.

If you flame your friend IRL, even if he didn't ask police to fuck you over but police standing nearby observed the scene, would you get prosecuted?

Nope, exactly.

Admins are the police of the server and they are to remain it friendly for others. There are actually some subcultural groups which favour insulting eachother, and kids nowadays insult eachother with swearing words for the fun of it. The conservatistic logic behind this is falling apart when you want stability.

[Cyril]

No, sorry, I've never understood this retarded logic.

If you flame your friend IRL, even if he didn't ask police to f**k you over but police standing nearby observed the scene, would you get prosecuted?

Nope, exactly.

Admins are the police of the server and they are to remain it friendly for others. There are actually some subcultural groups which favour insulting eachother, and kids nowadays insult eachother with swearing words for the fun of it. The conservatistic logic behind this is falling apart when you want stability.

This is a community, to make sure everything goes smooth, you need to respect the rules to avoid chaos. If we allow friends to insult each other, it'll be a mess. And don't forget that people here come from different countries, with different education. Some may not find it OK to see insults all the day.

[Nathan]

Was recently stuck with some police officer, who wasn't actually a police officer but a goddamn freecop, but then admin, was shouting that if we don't want to listen to his orders he'll copban.

Which admin was this? Admins are only to copban those who are breaking the rules or abusing others. Any other case is not allowed.

[Kirgiz]

Which admin was this? Admins are only to copban those who are breaking the rules or abusing others. Any other case is not allowed.

If I say the name 1) I will have to present the evidence which is currently absent 2) Will only cause a shitstorm 3) Won't matter.

I assure you, he's a well known player with administrator rights. But he did say that somewhere along the lines, where I found proper to just quit the game because the amount of bullshit from that was astonishing.

Anyway, back on-topic.
Post Merge: April 08, 2013, 10:46:00 pm

This is a community, to make sure everything goes smooth, you need to respect the rules to avoid chaos. If we allow friends to insult each other, it'll be a mess. And don't forget that people here come from different countries, with different education. Some may not find it OK to see insults all the day.

But what if I am not insulting someone? Insulting someone is when you do so when you produce or have an attempt of producing negative reaction. If neither exists, it isn't an insult. Therefore I see no reason to pay attention to that kind of stuff for admins. 

[Megamidget]

I wish to address you point about judgement being different, this really cannot be helped as admins are humans and while i am only a teamspeak admin i hope to give you a brief insight as to why i think this cannot be helped.

As humans we all have a little pet hate, something that really annoys us or something we simply do not like and this is often different with each person. Personally i dislike people who troll and disrespect me as i try to carry out the work i volunteer to do and because of this i tend to take a very little tolerance toward it. Whereas other admins may not be bothered by trolls but they intern have something that irritates them more than anything else.

I hope you can understand where i am coming from with this point.

- Mega

[SugarD]

If I look right now on the server, there is one admin for 104 players.

That is something Management must address on the server(s) affected by a low level of admins. If they have enough active admins assigned and said admins are not doing their jobs, then it falls on those admins who are not doing what they should be.

Fault for such should never be placed upon the players. They do not control who handles their reports, nor do they control who is hired into the admin team.

This is a community, to make sure everything goes smooth, you need to respect the rules to avoid chaos. If we allow friends to insult each other, it'll be a mess. And don't forget that people here come from different countries, with different education. Some may not find it OK to see insults all day.

I couldn't agree more.

I wish to address you point about judgement being different, this really cannot be helped as admins are humans and while i am only a teamspeak admin i hope to give you a brief insight as to why i think this cannot be helped.

As humans we all have a little pet hate, something that really annoys us or something we simply do not like and this is often different with each person. Personally i dislike people who troll and disrespect me as i try to carry out the work i volunteer to do and because of this i tend to take a very little tolerance toward it. Whereas other admins may not be bothered by trolls but they intern have something that irritates them more than anything else.

I hope you can understand where i am coming from with this point.

- Mega

You bring up a good point as well. I think players probably need to consider this more, whereas admins need to focus more on ensuring their own personal biases do not affect their judgements. A mutual understanding there would likely make things much easier for everyone.

[Cyril]

That is something Management must address on the server(s) affected by a low level of admins. If they have enough active admins assigned and said admins are not doing their jobs, then it falls on those admins who are not doing what they should be.

Fault for such should never be placed upon the players. They do not control who handles their reports, nor do they control who is hired into the admin team.
I couldn't agree more.

Admins are doing their job. Most of them meet the 7h/week requirement. You can't force every admin to be on the server 24/7.
Admins have a life outside the game, we are not paid for administrating, we doing it on our free-time. People shouldn't forget that too.

[SugarD]

Admins are doing their job. Most of them meet the 7h/week requirement. You can't force every admin to be on the server 24/7.

I'm not saying they need to be, but there is clearly an issue if only one admin is available for hours at a time. Diversity in time zones should also be considered during a hiring process so such issues can be avoided. If they have been considered, then it is still the fault of those who are not actively showing up to do their work.

It is unfair both to available admins, and the players affected, if the team is not strong and working together. Dumping the work of a group on a select few is by no means a nice thing to do.

Remember, admins are players also, but they did take on the extra work on their own, voluntary basis. If they cannot handle it, they should be resigning instead of avoiding it. It was their own decision to focus on helping the community in their free time instead of roleplaying as often.

[Phil]

From my point of view, adjustments on both players and admins are needed to create an equal balance.

[SugarD]

From my point of view, adjustments on both players and admins are needed to create an equal balance.

I agree with that, as well.

For those wondering, I'm not leaning towards admins being at fault here. I simply focused on them for this discussion as it was the topic at hand. I also feel that many players have their own part in this problem.

[Ted]

Moderator = Online literally 24/7

Admin = 7 hours at most online

Manager = Lucky if one is ever online at all.

This is how it works

Timezones are a factor we always look at as are many other areas but we cannot be held accountable for an administrators personal life, after all we all know things can change at a click of a finger.

[[WS]Jacob]

2) Many people including admins punch each other, run around and car kill friends.
I don't think its right for admins to run around with red names punching each other either.

It's a game and sometimes you just login to Argonath to have fun. If you are both punching each other and are happy with it, what's the problem.