Is this right?

[Gandalf]

Just don't give them forum rights and stuff?  :poke:

This can actually be a good way to know who is suitable for working as an administrator too, instead of the applications system.

One or two + year old veterans might actually be smart enough to set into the moderator roles quite quick, no?

I'm not talking of giving everyone a chance to become an admin, but only elite people.

I'm not going to name anyone out of the player base but admins and ex admins, just for example.

Lets say, Jcstodds, Shejken and Frank Hawk have been playing since 3 years, they always help players on the server, and never broke a rule. What might be wrong in giving them guest admin rights for a week or so?

If they have interest, they should already have applied and would probably be selected. If they did not apply, why should we invite them ?

[Drix]

Ah mattie... 

[JDC]

Just don't give them forum rights and stuff?  :poke:

Presumption #1: Giving forum rights to "guest" admins who have not earned trust on the level of the regular admins is a good idea.

False. There is a reason why forum rights are restricted to carefully selected board moderators and the Management. Horrible idea.

This can actually be a good way to know who is suitable for working as an administrator too, instead of the applications system.

Presumption #2: Stated above.

False. Those who are actually suitable for administrators need to possess an interest in working with the team. Anyone who does so will make an application.

One or two + year old veterans might actually be smart enough to set into the moderator roles quite quick, no?

Presumption #3: Tenure in the community is a base for veterancy or suitability.

This is false. Many players who have been here far longer than one or two years are totally unsuitable for positions in the Argonath administration. Some of them have become worse fuck-ups than relatively younger rulebreakers.

I'm not talking of giving everyone a chance to become an admin, but only elite people.

I'm not going to name anyone out of the player base but admins and ex admins, just for example.

Presumption #4: Elitism.

That argument does not even make any sense. Not to mention that many ex-admins have more notable reasons for their being ex-admins.

Frank Hawk... never broke a rule... What might be wrong in giving them guest admin rights for a week or so?

Presumption #5.

An example of your flawed knowledge. Research on the history of the Idlewood ballas and their records with the administration, but that is a story for another time.

Your arguments are full of presumptions far detached from reality. Before trying to propose reform, do research on how things actually work. Not only will you look more sensible, but you'll also avoid presenting content that becomes a laughingstock.

[Devin]

I remember why I don't like or even go to church.

[Mashgash]

Many topics like this have been posted before, and it have always get the same response from administration and management. Why do you even bother to keep posting topics there you point out how administration do their work?

An email exist. I advise you use it for this kind of situations.

Speak about creating a shitstorm, which could easily be avoided... You can send the same topic to [email protected]. Other players' opinions are irrelevant in your case. You are unhappy, you do something about it. That something is to send an email to [email protected].

[Kirgiz]

All those clowns who have nothing to do but post stupid shit against the community and advertise other servers should get lost.


This topic was made with the intention of directing fire at admins. The first post itself is an attempt to highlight negative incidents in the admin team, and the topic itself has attracted other cockroaches who take the opportunity to post against the administration. If anything deserves to be highlighted, it is how the admins have worked to keep the community in order, with some providing helpful updates on Facebook for our players in the absence of the Argonath network of sites.

If you really want to help solve the problems, you would have talked to the proper authorities and submitted a proper complaint instead of waving around admins' mistakes in public. Reporting admins who break rules solves the problem, making a topic complaining about them only creates more negativity.

The disguise of "constructive criticism" may have fooled others, but it isn't fooling me.

Get off your high horse, it's really irritating when faint attempts for at the very least SOME dialogue gets redirected as any attempt to put shit on oneanother.

To begin with, your post itself contains shitting on your so-called "cockroaches" who are actually players of the server. Yes, I am telling you straight in the eyes you're disrespecting, basically, everyone who isn't associated with any "leading parties" of the servers as shitters.

Secondly, unlike you, there have been some admins who have the balls to try and answer for the public. Special thanks to Gandalf, Shejken and Cyril.

Finally, if you are getting offended by these kind of topics, stay out of them. A) Nobody forces you to check them out. B) Nobody forces you to answer; by making posts such as the one I quoted you are just asking for trouble, maybe even provoking. Is that what you actually want? Indeed you don't. If you indeed do feel that people are shitting on others here, redirect your complains to [email protected] or, heck, you could even use the goddamn "Report to moderators" button.

[Aiden.]

Gandalf why are you not replying me ?? Is this right someone have to talk urgently and your not replying please i need your help reply me i made a topic for you and someone removed the topic also why they don't want me to talk with you ?? Please reply me ..

[Gandalf]

Gandalf why are you not replying me ?? Is this right someone have to talk urgently and your not replying please i need your help reply me i made a topic for you and someone removed the topic also why they don't want me to talk with you ?? Please reply me ..

As I was inactive, I have zero knowledge about your ban. There for I leave it to those people who know what you did and when you did it.

[Aiden.]

As I was inactive, I have zero knowledge about your ban. There for I leave it to those people who know what you did and when you did it.

Yeah i know you was in-active but i will tell you all the situation ?? Can i pm you ??

[Gandalf]

Yeah i know you was in-active but i will tell you all the situation ?? Can i pm you ??

Did we not agree this is not your unban topic?
As for telling me your side, better post it in your topic so that the managers and banning admin can post why they banned you. Much easier and faster as bothering me.

[Mashgash]

Or you check closed unban request section... :roll:

[Aiden.]

Did we not agree this is not your unban topic?
As for telling me your side, better post it in your topic so that the managers and banning admin can post why they banned you. Much easier and faster as bothering me.

I know they won't unban me even they won't let me post an unban request i am posting an unban request and denied ... Your Owner so please i am requesting you to give me permission to post an unban request i won't leave argo Because argo is my life ..

[JDC]

Get off your high horse, it's really irritating when faint attempts for at the very least SOME dialogue gets redirected as any attempt to put shit on oneanother.

To begin with, your post itself contains shitting on your so-called "cockroaches" who are actually players of the server. Yes, I am telling you straight in the eyes you're disrespecting, basically, everyone who isn't associated with any "leading parties" of the servers as shitters.

Secondly, unlike you, there have been some admins who have the balls to try and answer for the public. Special thanks to Gandalf, Shejken and Cyril.

Finally, if you are getting offended by these kind of topics, stay out of them. A) Nobody forces you to check them out. B) Nobody forces you to answer; by making posts such as the one I quoted you are just asking for trouble, maybe even provoking. Is that what you actually want? Indeed you don't. If you indeed do feel that people are shitting on others here, redirect your complains to [email protected] or, heck, you could even use the goddamn "Report to moderators" button.

If anything is irritating, it is people who defend and encourage attempts to shit on or compromise the administration in any form whatsoever.

"Dialogue" is a proper discourse on a certain matter, not making a topic meant to highlight the mistakes of the administration. Notwithstanding your skewed logic, the post itself is also meant to draw fire towards the administration. How the administration does its job is decided by standards given to us by the Owners, and not by the demands of certain players. Admins are not 'Gods of the server', but neither are we nannies who kowtow to everyone's demands and change everyone's diapers.

How is this topic wrong? Many topics such as this have been made before, some more brazen in their show of fire against the admin team than others. And the proper solution has been posted many times: admins who break the rules are to be reported to their respective servers' complaint emails. Yet, people choose not to understand, and to make these topics again and again.

An example of the solution: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86639.0

...if you really care for the community, you should not shit on our helpers who work for hours to protect the server. If you see problems in their work, you must report them properly to leaders, including myself. We do not ignore reports unless they are merely criticism towards particular admins or unless they lack appropriate evidence.

As for Kirgiz, I'll credit how you sugarcoat your words. The administration is on the same side as all players who take the effort to abide by the rules in order to keep the experience positive for everyone. As some of our Leaders have said, no respect for anyone who chooses to shit Argonath community. Those who defend shitters might as well join them.

If you are offended when someone confronts you with the proper and legitimate solution to the problems at hand, then no one is forcing you to read. Not surprised though, as your stance is typical of people with colorful punishment histories.

And if you still do not understand the point so far, it is very simple.
Report rulebreaking admins to the complaint email and do not make topics about them on forums.

[Kirgiz]

Self-reflection is a virtue, JDC.

[JDC]

Self-reflection is a virtue, JDC.

Says the person with 12 legitimate forum punishments in 6 months, all for flaming and trolling. Apply yourself.