Argonath Is Not a TDM Server!

[TheRock]

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As the matter we are on, My personal view is that it all counts on Respect. If you have respect for your self, you always have for the people around you. So, be positive, kind and never do something that you wouldn't like other people do to you also.

[AK47]

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No.

[Salmonella]

Killing must be used as a last resort anyway. Which is the total opposite from what is happening on the server. You are all killing each other for little things.

It's not such a concrete left or right kind of thing.

You can't expect all players to have the same views on life and death, everyone has their own approach to certain roleplay scenarios. Especially younger children might be more easy-going about killing. Luckily stuff doesn't have to be as realistic as some would like it to be in Argonath. As long as there's roleplay, of 'high quality' or not, it must be accepted that murder and death will also be largely involved. GTA is a game based on killing, and even although Argonath isn't the same, its players got here through GTA.
 
People that get really annoyed by death and murder ingame shouldn't have gotten GTA in the first place. I understand that most people in this topic don't complain about killing in general, but rather the ratio between roleplaying and killing. That itself is something I would disrecommend, because just like driving a vehicle, killing should be viewed as a part of the SA:MP roleplay experience. It's always been like this, so I don't see what the big deal is. The definition of deathmatching is very clear: ''Attacking others without a proper role-play reason''.

A roleplay reason is a roleplay reason, whether you find the reason inappropriate is irrelevant to an extent; there will be players interested in roleplaying some psychomaniacs too. It's also good to keep in mind that poor roleplay is still roleplay. New players won't be great at it when they first start playing. Give them a chance like you were given a chance, back when you were new to the server. Help them, but don't get too involved. Seeing players develop their own style of roleplaying is always nice to see.

[TonySforza]

as I stated in my comment, you are correct, making argo strict would fix it , but that would mean half the people would leave so.. it's hard to balance things out..

The server only needs those who wish to stay and obey the rules, not only those who wish to stay, quality over quantity applies on the server aswell, not just groups.

I see many players that can't even speak english, how can you RP on this server without knowing how to communicate, It's harsh yes, but most of those people break rules not because they're straight up "idiots" but because they don't understand the rules, I've been trying to announce this request for quite a while, and I'll do it now then:

Post the server rules in more languages than just English, so at LEAST the new players not so skilled in the English language can follow the rules posted by Gandalf himself while they work on their communication skills, instead of learning the rules from people with *cough* funny punishment histories.

You guys baffle me when it comes to playing, so many of you want to eat the whole cake and not share.
The cake is there for the entire community, not for a single group or person to eat until they almost burst from taking it all.
Believe it or not, this cake is enough for everyone to get a bite out from and enjoy. So there's no reason to be greedy about it

But what you need, is to learn to trust each other a bit more. Tone down on the rambo and roleplay the encounters you have in the server a bit more.
You know instead of shoot first, roleplay later, do the opposite. Roleplay first, and then if the situation calls for it, could bullets be shot for the right reasons. Not everything has to end with bullets raining.

This is one community after all. And this is one of many things, that you have to learn if you want to improve your own roleplay.

Words don't do much. Action does, so start taking action. If I can RP a drunk jamaican dude, hit the police officers several times, get beaten to a bloody pulp. Vomit in the car and sing songs of the love for weed. And not get killed, then surely this community should be able to stop that trigger finger for 30 seconds to RP the situation a bit before you smash the finger on M1 and try to blow brains out. Right?

Or is that to much to demand? Perhaps you like the community as it is now. Shooting guns in a blaze of self-glorified glory while you laugh with your friends over chat over how many guys you could kill, stabbing each other in the back for preciiiiious money and generally be a selfish little prick.

Come on guys, I know this community can do better than trying to blow brains all day long.
You just have to want to RP. If no one wants to RP the situations then what is the point of playing here?

Those who see me driving around like a maniac trying to stunt all day long might assume that's the only thing I do. But sometimes on my travels I get slapped with Roleplay in my face, and when I do find myself in these situations, I try to roleplay it. Not run away, get in my car, ram the person or shoot his head off.

Some of them was less than desirable, perhaps outright impossible demands (Give me 5000$ or I blow your brains out. Anyone?), some of them was genuinely funny. And I commend and salute the people who do take their time with the good roleplay. The one where you both have fun.

The word "Fun" is the driving force, it's one of the main goals with this community in the first place. If you think that only you yourself and your friends only are entitled to it (Shoot as many cops as you can, go visit rival mafia and start deathmatching like mad and so on), then you are sorely mistaken. You are playing with other human beings, not Bots. The Fun is entitled to EVERYONE on Argonath RPG, across all it's divisions and servers.


So better stop trying to eat the cake yourself, share the cake with people. And most of all, become a better person.

Give me back my words 

Reason why the RP is somewhat poor in some people:

They mix RL with RP, they take what happens in RP as a personal offense, for example:

They get threatened at gun point, what would you do in a real situation? You'd be scared, but in Argonath 99.99% of the players are fearless rambos, and why are they rambos? Because they think that just because their character got scared in that situation, that the player is a "pussy" IRL.
That's just ONE example of hundreds, people want to "die with a fight" because they believe they will be considered wussies if they just give their money, or drugs, or succumb to verbal aggression. So, what is the solution in their minds? *PEW PEW BRATATATATATA*, and that's why RP is as it is.

Me and AlSforza were RPing that we were Jeovah witnesses around a month ago, we'd walk up to people and ask them if they had time to hear about our Lord Jesus, obviously, people would say "NO!", so we pulled out weapons and aimed at their heads shouting "LISTEN TO US, LOVE JESUS, EMBRACE HIS WORD OF FAITH AND SALVATION!", "SING WITH US, THE LORD IS MY SHEPPERD, AND I AM THY FLOCK!", guess how many people RPed along, singing and accepting the Lord, ONE person  the rest proceeded to Rambo their way even though they were alone with two crazy Jeovah witnesses with weapons aimed at their heads.

Back on MTA VC we had this rule, here's a little blast from the past:

"As civilians of Argonath, you are entitled to carry weapons, although if you are in trouble let the police deal with it and run away as you would in a real situation"

Now that's just beautifully gorgeous, an amazing sentence that if followed can lead the good RP, instead of the every day combat out of the ass and "FOR NARNIA!" shooting.

For the criminal groups:

Killing isn't the only way to "AVENGE MAH HONAH"... check some Mafia movies, real usefull, RP that you sent a picture of the enemies wife and kids dead to them, or the "head of the horse" situation like in "The Godfather", or that you blew up one of the rival families "rackets", stuff like that, be creative, of course you're mafia people and killing is part of the job, but damnit, EVERY TIME ending up with death gets pretty old and only shows the lack of creativity of one's group...

^If you find this boring and believe that shooting is where the action is at, then here's a newsflash, RP is not the thing for you, Team DM servers are the thing you're looking for, many many many players in this server don't know the difference, now, I know It's up to us Veterans to teach them, but you can't teach a blind man to see and you can't teach people who don't want to learn, people who aren't humble enough to learn from those who were here from way longer than them. So next time instead of blaming "Veterans for not teaching new players" we should think "Wait a minute, maybe the players don't want to be taught" <- This happens a lot, trust me.

Be more strict

Main thought of many rule breakers:

"Oh I'll get banned, apologize and I'll get unbanned 2 weeks later or something, it's not PERMANENT"

We do need to be a little bit more strict, I know many people that got banned over 5 times and are still around  :conf:

And to finish off, MTA VC had more RP, partially because the only scripted way to get money was through cop duty or fishing contests (Events aswell of course).
The rest, was up to you to RP your money earning, MTA VC could only fit 24 players, and it had more businesses open than SAMP has with over 100 players on.

[iMarkz]

^{Topic read and acknowledged.
I would confirm what stated by Murt.}

[diddeh]

Well, obiviously any mad player here on argonath report when they get killed, because they simply can't take the fact either that they got owned, or they lost weapons, or money in some way. However, when I were not banned I noticed how you admins take action against something with no proof or however, just because it's your "Friend" or a more "respectable" person of the community. Just listening to those WORDS from the victim, completley ignoring the other player's words. So sometimes it doesn't even matter how many minutes or hours you put into the rp, still you get punished when finishing the act.

Go spread false information elsewhere.

[JackWhite]

Well, obiviously any mad player here on argonath report when they get killed, because they simply can't take the fact either that they got owned, or they lost weapons, or money in some way. However, when I were not banned I noticed how you admins take action against something with no proof or however, just because it's your "Friend" or a more "respectable" person of the community. Just listening to those WORDS from the victim, completley ignoring the other player's words. So sometimes it doesn't even matter how many minutes or hours you put into the rp, still you get punished when finishing the act.

+1

[Bundy]

Don't derail the topic, Didde.
Send your complaints to the complaint-mail.

[diddeh]

Don't derail the topic, Didde.
Send your complaints to the complaint-mail.

This is not a complaint, I'ts my opinion, and just the other story around, not admins bragging about what we players do, just a player bragging about stuff admins do. So it should be all fair, yeah?

[TheRock]

Well, obiviously any mad player here on argonath report when they get killed, because they simply can't take the fact either that they got owned, or they lost weapons, or money in some way. However, when I were not banned I noticed how you admins take action against something with no proof or however, just because it's your "Friend" or a more "respectable" person of the community. Just listening to those WORDS from the victim, completley ignoring the other player's words. So sometimes it doesn't even matter how many minutes or hours you put into the rp, still you get punished when finishing the act.

That does not actually take place, and if you notice anything like this, don't hesitate to report the admin for favorism on players. Our guidelines state that every player is equal to our eyes, no matter any friendship between the Admin or the player. (I proved this already in past by punishing several clan-mates, close friends whenever they broke the rules.. I wouldn't except them because they were my friends, they broke the rules? They received their punishment just like anybody else.)

[Mikal]

Remove guns, easiest solution.

[diddeh]

That does not actually take place, and if you notice anything like this, don't hesitate to report the admin for favorism on players. Our guidelines state that every player is equal to our eyes, no matter any friendship between the Admin or the player. (I proved this already in past by punishing several clan-mates, close friends whenever they broke the rules.. I wouldn't except them because they were my friends, they broke the rules? They received their punishment just like anybody else.)

I noticed it way to many times to believe your message, sorry mate. And if I now would see this happening, it's not like I'm gonna have any proof, since I'm most likely not prepared for that favourism of another player to happen, and secondly, if I would post without proof, obiviously it would most likely be ignored, or talked to with a simple " Don't do it" I guess.

[Bundy]

This is not a complaint, I'ts my opinion, and just the other story around, not admins bragging about what we players do, just a player bragging about stuff admins do. So it should be all fair, yeah?

This is not what the topic is about. Create your own topic with this subject if you want to talk about this.

[Lincoln.]

Force roleplay.

It's impossible.
Tried to force RP several times (not in the real meaning of forcing, I was actually begging them to RP), but they USUALLY open fire on me since they KNOW why I came to RP with them. They see the 'Luciano' tag above my head and they automatically remember that they have killed a member of the same family I'm in. Then, they decide to pull out their shotgun from the ass, open fire on me while I'm typing and attempting to introduce myself as a postman, not a mobster, but you know.. It's too late.
Then, I use the /report command as usual, and I cannot say that nothing happens, admins take action and to their best to find some evidence, but it's almost impossible. An admin cannot see what happened and I understand that, but they should also understand us how do we feel when we get DMed in the middle of the RolePlay attempt.


-Lincoln Luciano.

[TheRock]

You should also understand that it is impossible for us to act without evidence, because that would be unfair too, am I wrong?