Argonath Is Not a TDM Server!

[[WS]Jacob]

And DM followed, ofc.

Guns were banned, so this shouldn't of happened.

[Gmail]

Good argument.

Sadly, in your signature you see a police officer. I assume you are an officer. Just a small situation, you see a suspect running away. You do not have guns because they have been disabled. So you run with your pepperspray till you die of boringness.

Guns are guns, they are needed in EVERY roleplay server. If you don't want guns, go drift with an elegy. Everybody goes rambo because they don't want to lose. You can get great roleplay with guns and without. Everybody want to roleplay with guns. Except you.

not really, I mean if not for guns what would I suspect him for? oh and I'm not a cop, I'm a YOLO.

[Murt]

If you guys will continue to derail this topic I will soon eventually have to lock it. I'm actually disappointed that never ever can people stay on the topic. Always have to go off-topic and discuss irrelevant things.

Locking the topic is easier than cleaning the topic constantly because some doesn't know how to discuss things properly.

[Servius]

@Rock - you, and almost every admin say, bring/show us evidence so actually what I need to do is to turn on fraps and record everything while I play? Probably no.

To the topic now
As the title say Argonath isn't TDM server, it actually is, just that nobody wants do admit it. I've been doing role as cops for so much days, months, and nothing changed, if you pullover player, want to ticket him for $20 he will accept it and go away, but if you ticket him for $250, he will start flaming then evade. Also there were so many situations where there was so called 'dm fest' and there is like one guy from mafia suspected in his HQ while 20 other mafia guys are 'chilling' next to him. Here is where DM and rulebreaking starts, one freecop gets shot by suspect when he manages to harm suspect and almost kill him then his team mates take out combat shotguns from pants and kill cop. Then more cops come and it continues. Even cops should care about EVERYBODIES health, no matter is it suspect or civilian its somebodies life, I just ask myself do you guys ever watch movies? Also big problem is that people are revengekilling so much. Here's an example, so I was LEO and I went to Mordor to inspect situation, as always there was dozens of cars blocking road so I started to flush them into sea so they respawn, and just after I respawned one car, one officer said me 'YOU MOTHERF***ER THAT WAS MY CAR, I WILL KILL YOU AFTER THIS NOOB' in PM and I just walked away, some time after that I drove to ammunation and bought weapons for duty, same guy came to me said 'STOP!!!1' and after I ignored him he took shotgun and shot my car several times.

Also I'm suggesting to limit weapons, also remove combat shotgun since its way too much OP, and just make prices of weapons way higher so people only use 9mm gun.

Indeed certain rules have lead to this, and also denied ideas which should be implented.

[Servius]

I actually don't see why this idea about gun licences was denied, you would need to make application on ARPD forum and also pay some money to get it. Abuse it? SAPD comes and revokes it, simple.

[Salmonella]

Abuse it? SAPD comes and revokes it, simple.

Guns are almost exclusively used for crime in Argonath. How would you imagine this 'simple' idea in reality? Get a gun license after having never committed a crime, killing someone, going to jail/dying, and eventually end up NEVER getting a license again under that identity.

This is one of these things that would only work if death ingame would also mean that your character dies. 

[AK47]

I can sell my guns to someone illegally. Then no "character death" is needed. And let's say this, if you get caught with murders etc and you get your license revoked, blame yourself.

[Cyril]

This is not an "idea" topic. If the only way for people to stop DMing is implementing tons of restricting scripts, then we have a problem.

[Salmonella]

I can sell my guns to someone illegally. Then no "character death" is needed. And let's say this, if you get caught with murders etc and you get your license revoked, blame yourself.

no man it's just not practical

[Gmail]

This is not an "idea" topic. If the only way for people to stop DMing is implementing tons of restricting scripts, then we have a problem.

As you can se a few members acknowlage this problem and want to fix it, but the problem is with theones who don't care, we don't need scripts, we need more people to tell this to others, this is a gigantic comunity 30 people can't change it, it might of went otu of hand but there is no backtracking now, we don't need scripts but we need stricter rules, my suggestion is to unish nonrpers and dmers harder, that or link everyone to read this topic, it's hard to get this message to every member of this comunoty, it would be a lenghty process but it is doable.
I'm writing on my phone, soz for bad.. writing..

[EliteTerm]

Guns is not the problems, it's the players. If they continue to undermine and bend rules to their will, they need to be sorted out.

I'm actually quite disappointed in what happened with Mordor RP now. It had potential and I was there the first day, and now this?

[Mr. Goobii]

I agree that some kind of gun license for trusted people would eliminate a lot of problem. Due that permission only giving to people who eventually can handle it. If someone abuses the guns in a so called DM scenario, it could be removed from the person.

But of course, who am I to decide..



Afterall, I think we all have to carry on, try not to be in situations that can become to be DM fest! We have to work to get this place running again!

[JDC]

Now that's just beautifully gorgeous, an amazing sentence that if followed can lead the good RP, instead of the every day combat out of the ass and "FOR NARNIA!" shooting.

I fucking love this guy.

More on the topic, changing the mindset of players is a solution as well. But why is it we cannot seem to achieve that?

Because of numerous regular and "veteran" players who think themselves "too cool" to abide by rules altogether and learn to compromise their own perception of combat roleplay in favor of one that would be more productive and less conflict-inducing in terms of roleplay.

And lastly, common sense has become rarer and rarer on Argonath as well, just as it has in the real world. If people would only think with common sense, we'd save ourselves a lot of problems.

Scripts and guns would always produce bad results if you give them to people who use them badly. The solution is to take the initiative and teach others around you who do not know better, rather than cry like a bitch whenever you get killed. Sadly, not many players choose to be aware of this anymore.

[JackWhite]

Gunlicense. I'm 100% serious on this.

I actually don't see why this idea about gun licences was denied, you would need to make application on ARPD forum and also pay some money to get it. Abuse it? SAPD comes and revokes it, simple.

>buys and posesses gun illegaly

[Devin]

Players resort to shooting because they can't comprehend how to respond to roleplay situations and shooting seems to be their chosen medium of response to what they lable as a bad roleplayer since they don't understand how to react.