Argonath Is Not a TDM Server!

[SugarD]

Argo doesn't recognize powergaming and metagaming, so using the "success/fail" thing isn't a good example here. This is not a strict RP community. No one is forced to roleplay, nor are they forced not to. Players can make a choice in their own reactions as to whether or not they play along, but asking them if it was successful or failed is not helping that progress at all. That limits users, and still forces roleplay to some degree, which Argo doesn't allow.

To those saying Argo needs to enforce strict roleplay, it's not going to happen. If you want that, you are in the wrong community and should leave now. Argonath's Vision was specifically set up in a way which prevented this community from being like all the others that copied it, and from the one it was created from. We have survived and thrived for almost 7 years that way now, and it's not going to change for those who want it to be like it's competitors.

[TonySforza]

No one is forced to roleplay, nor are they forced not to.

I'm going to have to stop you right there, I was told multiple times that if "a player logs in, he better be ready to RP, as entering the server is pretty much saying he wants to RP, as it is a RP server".
And let's face it, most people only "RP" when they feel like they will "win" the scenario, if they find themselves in a scenario where they might lose they either:

A) Ignore the players trying to interact.
B) Act as if they are afk
C) Start moaning saying that they don't "feel" like RPing at that moment.
D) Plain and simply do not talk, do not interact, just run away.

Regarding the C) option, if one doesn't feel like RPing, then why be ingame anyway?

Regarding this "And let's face it, most people only "RP" when they feel like they will "win" the scenario", this is another reason why people TDM, they only RP with their "yo yo homiezzz" backing them up, because people feel that killing their rival family members is the only (because nobody wants to "lose" the RP) and excelent epic and worth repeating *cough* "RP".

Now tell me, if the players don't intent on killing 8712636513 people after a RP, why is it that whenever someone gets robbed, for example, all of a sudden there's 30 of his "homiezzzzzzz" heading his way to "halp eem"?
Unfortunantely most players think like this:

"The RP is only over, when the "enemeehjz dai"
What I find even more hilarious is that Criminal groups are considered good or bad, based on how many people they kill (LOOL), instead of how creative their RP's are.

[SugarD]

It's defined here:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=88900

[TonySforza]

It's defined here:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=88900

You failed to understand what is written there, forcing someone to follow a guideline to the RP, limiting his options is not allowed.
Beginning a RP with same person giving him chances to actually expand his own possiblities yet he doesn't "feel like RPing" is another different thing.

2. When you can not force NOT to roleplay?

- You are getting robbed. Often people try to get out of a robbery by telling they do to want to roleplay. Well here is the news: If you do not want to roleplay, log off.
When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter.(...) But you can never refuse to interact with others in a respectful way.

If it was as if you say, then this server's name would be "ArgonathKindaRPG"

[SugarD]

Then the problem is pretty clear here. You'll never get the players to change.

Then they can leave if they can't follow the rules. Else, we'll force those who don't to learn to follow them:

If your parents do not teach you to behave, we will. Remember, Argonath is a place to meet new people from all over the world, connect with them, and find friends.
It is not a place to flame, disrespect, and close out new people. We may have allowed too much in the past, so be aware that you may be punished for things you believe were normal.

[Salmonella]

Been doing it since 2006, and we haven't come and go as others have.

But you didn't join Argonath until 2008...  :trust:

Please don't turn this into one of those 'rulebreakers will learn, we will win!' topics. There's no war and there's not a united group of people called 'the rulebreakers'. The topic's about deathmatching, not Argonath in general.

It'd be interesting to get some more opinions on the topic subject, instead of seeing people just quote Gandalf.

[Squeak]

if yall still having this problem shiet.
if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck; it's probably a duck

[Gmail]

if yall still having this problem shiet.
if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck; it's probably a duck

I was about to insult a gang but I rather bit my tongue , but if it is a DMer you still have to RP with him if he interacts with you, even tho it usually turns into a DM, you still need to talk to him knowing he will DM because the rules state you need to RP with everyone..

[SugarD]

But you didn't join Argonath until 2008...  :trust:

I joined in early-to-mid 2007. I just didn't join the forum until some time later. When I said that quote, I was referring to the community itself, not me.

It'd be interesting to get some more opinions on the topic subject, instead of seeing people just quote Gandalf.

People can express their opinions all they want, but ****ting on the community will never be allowed. Those who also continue to beg for the community to become strict RP need to understand that it's been said many times before: It isn't going to happen.

No matter how much they "express their opinions" on such, the answer will always be the same.

[TiMoN]

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Sugar but
1) Sugar isn't the one who made this topic
2) Stop telling people they are moaning when they are just pointing out something.
3) It will change through time for better or worse
And was this really the first RP community?

RPG*
http://wiki.argonathrpg.com/index.php/Argonath_History

[SugarD]

RPG*

RP and RPG are the same thing. One is just an action, whereas the other is a game genre based on said action.

[Devin]

Ok, now how about something about the topic and not a history lesson on RP and RPG.

[Gmail]

Ok, now how about something about the topic and not a history lesson on RP and RPG.

What is there to be said? I don't understand the point of it, we know it's a RPG server, we know there is DM and WE can't change it, WE as in the frequent viewer of this topic , like I said there are hundreds of people joining weekly, we can't control them all, you are telling us this isn't an idea topic.. well what is there to discuss other than ideas how to prevent this, I read the comment "it's not about guns it's about the players" how can we tell the player to stop DMing when he doesn't care about us because we have no "power" against him and he agrees with an admin untill the admin leaves him alone, and I can't give you my idea because Cyril told us this isn't an Idea topic, tell us what you want to hear from us, this is too damn complicated.

[Devin]

tell us what you want to hear from us, this is too damn complicated.

Nothing, nothing at all.
Silence is the best answer, apart from Hotmail.

[Salmonella]

I joined in early-to-mid 2007. I just didn't join the forum until some time later.

Under which nickname?

****ting on the community will never be allowed. Those who also continue to beg for the community to become strict RP need to understand that it's been said many times before: It isn't going to happen.

No matter how much they "express their opinions" on such, the answer will always be the same.

That's got nothing to do with what I said, though.