Argonath Is Not a TDM Server!

[ANUNNAKI]

1. That is not a serious RP rule. There is no rule that says you can kill as a last resort. If you have no valid RP reason to kill someone, you shouldn't be doing it at all. That doesn't matter what your options are. If you don't have a reason, don't do it.

Killing MUST be used as a last resort anyway.

Argo is a light RP server there for killing for less serious things should be accepted as long as some RP is involved, unless they wish to define otherwise ( which they have about robberies, they just need to clarify the other 100 ways to DM ) . The reason I quoted this was because it's coming from an admin, who possibly bases his punishments off of this during a RP situation, which in no way is stated in Argo's rules.

2. Then those admins should be reported. Private property is defined by the State Constitution in SA:MP. That makes it a matter of the courts and SA:MP SAPD to handle. If an admin bans you for telling someone to get off your legally-defined property, and they have no legal reason to be there, then the admin needs to have their rights removed for playing roleplay cop with server powers.

Oh they have been, but I got banned in the process. My point in saying that is that there needs to be a more thorough explanation of the rules, so mistakes don't happen.

3. Simple: Force people to behave by teaching them right from wrong. If they refuse to follow our rules, they can leave or be banned. They make their own decisions when they come here, and the fun of everyone will not be spoiled by the greed of a few. If they learn the rules and still refuse to follow them, it is only their own negativity that will be their downfall.

Here lies another problem within Argo. I'm not going to say names but during my time playing here I've seen several players who have been banned 10-15x for the same reason and they're allowed back, time after time. If they don't get it the 1st 5times why're they being allowed back? I understand being banned for different things but being banned for the same thing repeatedly makes no sense to me.

[Harry]

We get free weapons (pickups) in MTA:VC, yet we didn't have widespread problems like what SA:MP is having right now. Your point?


Our community, our admins, our rules are fine. It's the players that keep taking advantage of our unique view and try to twist it in their favor.

Probably because MTA:VC is not filled with retards.

[JDC]

Topic unlocked.

I would like to reiterate several points that must be made clear:

1. Argonath is its own unique community, one of the very first RPG servers, and has been so since 2006. That has been a major factor contributing to our success over the past 6+ years. Changing the community's standards and gamemode to those found on other servers will NOT solve any problems, but will only cause more problems for this community. We will not change according to the demands of shitters and people who want us to become like the other servers that are mostly-similar copies of each other. If you cannot deal with that, then leave.

2. Admins and "higher-ranked players" do not have "special protection" from Managers+ and the consequences that await rulebreaking admins are worse than those that await rulebreaking non-admin players. The rule is simple; the higher you go up the ladder, the more your responsibilities and obligations. All complaints send to the complaint emails are read and will be acted upon unless they have inadequate evidence or are mere criticism / moaning vs. admins. If an admin breaks rules, report to their respective complaint emails (for SA:MP RPG: [email protected]) instead of moaning.

3. Admins are players who give their time and effort to protect this community with no compensation other than the thanks of players. We do not receive benefits such as salary, extra houses / businesses or cars, et cetera. The admin team as a whole works under more strenuous conditions and is dedicated to helping players who choose to abide by our simple rules. Admins are helpers, not oppressors. In the words of Boromir, learn to trust our helpers or leave.

4. The entire "TDM" is not the fault of the administration, but of those players who either refuse to abide by the rules, or cannot differentiate between deathmatch and combat roleplay. While admins are already acting on those players who have been causing trouble, the other problems can be easily solved if everyone works together in order to spread awareness of rules and sportsmanship rather than sitting on ass and moaning how this or that will be magically fixed if we changed into some RL-RP server or super-strict prison server.

These four points are points that any rule-abiding player should not have much problems understanding. Those who vehemently disagree and wish to continue shitting on our community are free to find some other server/forum to moan on.

For additional information on the success of the community and how it continues despite the shitters and demands for it to change, I would suggest reading through Aragorn's posts.

Future shitting and offensive posts will be dealt with according to forum policy, so please remain on topic and discuss in a respectful and constructive manner.

Thank you.

[Gandalf]

For those who want it more strict, if we do YOU will be the first ones to leave.

If we make it strict this will happen:
- Full prohibition of any gang wars and shootouts without a reason and something to lose. Break the rule means everyone involved will be banned.
- Full prohibition on any type of flaming, swearing and name calling, including slang. Either use respectful language or get punished.
- Full prohibition of the use of OOC and IC excuses to force your roleplay on others.
- Full prohibition of abusing the 'forced roleplay' rule,
- Everyone who has been vocal about people getting unbanned too often will have to leave the community if they have ever been banned, or will be banned in the future. What you want for others goes for you as well.

Now are you REALLY ready for us to be strict?

[Petarda]

I'd like to see strict version of Argo at least for 7 days. I'm sure that everyone who is enjoying RP more than getting money 24/7 would like Argo stricter. Also it would be better if you ''limit'' the usage of /p (i'll explain this when i get to PC). Do what you think is best

[Gandalf]

I'd like to see strict version of Argo at least for 7 days. I'm sure that everyone who is enjoying RP more than getting money 24/7 would like Argo stricter. Also it would be better if you ''limit'' the usage of /p (i'll explain this when i get to PC). Do what you think is best

Unfortunately you have been banned more than once, meaning you would not be allowed to see it.

[Teddy]

For those who want it more strict, if we do YOU will be the first ones to leave.

If we make it strict this will happen:
- Full prohibition of any gang wars and shootouts without a reason and something to lose. Break the rule means everyone involved will be banned.
- Full prohibition on any type of flaming, swearing and name calling, including slang. Either use respectful language or get punished.
- Full prohibition of the use of for those without brains: and IC excuses to force your roleplay on others.
- Full prohibition of abusing the 'forced roleplay' rule,
- Everyone who has been vocal about people getting unbanned too often will have to leave the community if they have ever been banned, or will be banned in the future. What you want for others goes for you as well.

Now are you REALLY ready for us to be strict?

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[JDC]

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JDC says: ((Horrendous. This is a very unprofessional example of RP))
JDC says: ((Why? U did not include the part where ur muscles tense to press.))
JDC says: ((U also did not wait 4 page to load and see the post in thread.))
JDC says: ((Now I report u to edmin so u will be banned 4 poor RP.))




On a serious note, I'm sure plenty of those people who request for the "change" will regret it soon afterward, not including those who are very vocal in their advocacy, yet will be the first to go.

[Mark Knight]

haha, JDC.

[Marcel]

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Teddy OMG you didn't know what key was the Y key! Metagaming!!!!

[Gmail]

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Effin keybinds, I get u bans'd

[Cyril]

For those who want it more strict, if we do YOU will be the first ones to leave.

If we make it strict this will happen:
- Full prohibition of any gang wars and shootouts without a reason and something to lose. Break the rule means everyone involved will be banned.
- Full prohibition on any type of flaming, swearing and name calling, including slang. Either use respectful language or get punished.
- Full prohibition of the use of for those without brains: and IC excuses to force your roleplay on others.
- Full prohibition of abusing the 'forced roleplay' rule,
- Everyone who has been vocal about people getting unbanned too often will have to leave the community if they have ever been banned, or will be banned in the future. What you want for others goes for you as well.

Now are you REALLY ready for us to be strict?

I'm ready!

[Marcel]

I'm ready!

Pssssst.. next years' 1st of April joke?

[Cyril]

Pssssst.. next years' 1st of April joke?

What?

[JDC]

What?

He meant that maybe we become an "RLRP server" for a day for the next April Fools' prank.

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