A WARNING for all - More 'rules' than you can easily find

[CBFasi]

This topic www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=18054.0 has a lot of very useful information in, and has also of most importance the owners interpretation of our rules.

This means that just because its not in the main rules does not mean you can do it!!

CHECK the above topic, have a read, it may enlighten you to how we should be playing here on Argonath.

A lot of what is in that topic IS questions from players who have had uncertainty as to a what is right and wrong, most of the answers show that we are trying to be a fair server.

An example is SPAWNKILLIING  its not allowed and I had this double checked with Gandalf last night..   but he said almost 3 years ago

Spawnkilling is not allowed, however entering/exiting a house is not spawning.

[Gird3r]

It's more of an issue regarding lack of respect for one another, and lack of common sense that causes the issues, than a lack of reading rules.

Another thing, besides just those two, are just smartasses who try to bend the rules to their own favour and ambition.Then cry about how the rules cannot be understanded in order to seed confusion to make their "epic" get away.

I think the rules are clear on what cannot and can be done, sure. Even I think some rules could have a closer look regarding the content. But in general, they are as clear as taking a nail and hammering it down. Straight forward.

[Gandalf]

The rules are limited and anyone with common sense can understand what is or what is not allowed.

If someone wants to do spawnkilling, let them explain what roleplay reason they have for it.

[Salmonella]

An example is SPAWNKILLIING  its not allowed and I had this double checked with Gandalf last night..   but he said almost 3 years ago

If spawnkilling isn't entering or exiting a building, then what is it? Killing people that respawn after they died, but that's just plain deathmatch.

[Frank_Hawk]

Common sense is not so common.

It is a reasonable suggestion for someone to summarise scenarios in that topic where players have commonly fallen prey.

For example, being able to defend yourself from DMers as preached by Aragorn has been rumoured to be replaced with /report - summarised clarifications are needed for wider good.

Common Sense - Take it Easy

[Kojak]

For example, being able to defend yourself from DMers as preached by Aragorn has been replaced with /report - summarised clarifications are needed for wider good.

That hasn't changed, you may defend yourself against a death-matcher as long as you're not pursuing him, so if you're shot by a death-matcher you may shoot back. Or you may instead choose to report it to the admins. What we ask is that you do not do both because if you fight back and report it, when spectated it may look like you are the aggressor if observed mid-fight.

[Gandalf]

Common sense is not so common.

It is a reasonable suggestion for someone to summarise scenarios in that topic where players have commonly fallen prey.

For example, being able to defend yourself from DMers as preached by Aragorn has been rumoured to be replaced with /report - summarised clarifications are needed for wider good.

The question has be answered once again. And it has been noticed more than once that certain groups consider a single punch to be an attack by a DMer and reason to open fire as a group, even pursuing the player should he attempt to run away. That is not called defense, it is called using any excuse to DM others.

[Frank_Hawk]

That hasn't changed, you may defend yourself against a death-matcher as long as you're not pursuing him, so if you're shot by a death-matcher you may shoot back. Or you may instead choose to report it to the admins. What we ask is that you do not do both because if you fight back and report it, when spectated it may look like you are the aggressor if observed mid-fight.

The question has be answered once again. And it has been noticed more than once that certain groups consider a single punch to be an attack by a DMer and reason to open fire as a group, even pursuing the player should he attempt to run away. That is not called defense, it is called using any excuse to DM others.

I agree with you both, although it's becoming clear through players views that the transparency of the rules could be improved. It's my suggestion, to summarise the SA:MP developers questions topic, by common scenarios (like my example) which players can refer to as a handy guide instead of ploughing through pages upon pages which is not fit for purpose.

It’s a process improvement, nothing more.

[Kojak]

Seems like a good idea. I'll take a look into getting that done.

[Bundy]

I think most important rules from the developers section should be summarized and added to the official rules topic.
Yes, it might take a long time but then you at least have something stronger to rely on.

[Marcel]

It's good that stuff like this is discussed openly like we do here.

[Gandalf]

I think most important rules from the developers section should be summarized and added to the official rules topic.
Yes, it might take a long time but then you at least have something stronger to rely on.

The misconception is that the developers topic contains rules. It does not.
What is does contain is the developers interpretation of situations based upon the rules. There for while a summary of the 90 pages could be helpful, it should not be added to the official rules, as it does not contain any new rule.

[Bundy]

The misconception is that the developers topic contains rules. It does not.
What is does contain is the developers interpretation of situations based upon the rules. There for while a summary of the 90 pages could be helpful, it should not be added to the official rules, as it does not contain any new rule.

My apologies, I ment that the clarifications of the rules in the developers topic should be added to the rules.
That way the administration team has something stronger to rely on. (For example: Jack Rosso's recent ban)

[Cyril]

Admin team has already something strong to rely on :

- Search function
- Topics on admins boards
- Ask directly a Manager+
- Common sense

[Bundy]

Admin team has already something strong to rely on :

- Search function
- Topics on admins boards
- Ask directly a Manager+
- Common sense

Alright then, if you say my suggestion was unnecessary, nevermind it