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Nearly half of all voters want Britain to leave the European Union

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Asked the exact question Conservatives want to put the public in the 2017 referendum – “Do you think that the UK should remain a member of the EU” – 46 per cent opt to come out, a higher figure than in other recent surveys.
Just 30 per cent say they want to remain.
In a further boost for the eurosceptic cause, 44 per cent want an “in/out” referendum immediately, although 29 per cent are prepared to wait until 2017, David Cameron's preferred option.
David Cameron (31 per cent) is the party leader most trusted to negotiate with the EU on Britain’s behalf. In second place is Nigel Farage, marginally ahead of Ed Miliband, although both men are on 18 per cent when numbers are rounded up. Nick Clegg is languishing on just four per cent.
The headline figure using ICM’s “Wisdom Index” method – which asks voters to predict the result of the next general election rather than which party they support – puts Labour just three points ahead of the Tories, the party’s narrowest lead since the index was launched last year.

Labour fell four points from last month to 32 per cent, with the Conservatives down one on 29 per cent and the Liberal Democrats also down one on 16 per cent.
Voters believe Ukip will win 15 per cent of the vote in the 2015 general election – a high figure which underlines the party’s recent good results in parliamentary by-elections and local council ballots.
*ICM Research interviewed an online sample of 2,017 adults aged 18+ on 15-16th May 2013. Interviews have been weighted to the profile of all adults.



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More than half, the EU is nothing but a drain on our economy and a massive inflow of migrants. In 2012 ALONE, 25,000 Albanians Romanians were arrested in London for stealing from/rigging ATM machines, thats London alone, imagine the statistics for the whole UK, this 1 problem would not happen if we were not part of the EU, not to mention all the lazy ones who come here just to have 8 kids and sit on the benefits meant for their children.

Vote for UKIP! :mad:

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Good we need to pull out of this shit hole of EU


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Want to go out? No problem but....
- all trade agreements that the UK benefits from in EU will be voided. Export to the EU will be taxed with import duties.
- all benefits for easy passport control, possession of goods and businesses will be null and void
- all money that the EU has promised to invest in UK projects will have to be paid the UK citizens instead.

Tell this to anyone of Ukip and they will proclaim that they want to go back to times of the EEC, not abandon everything. Why? Because they want to keep the benefits and just look for a way to divert the blame for bad government to the EU.

While they are at it, they might as well make Scotland independent so they no longer have to pay for Welsh losses...

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I don't even know how I feel about this anymore.. or rather, I don't think I care enough to form a strong opinion.
There are advantages either way, but frankly I think I'd still rather be out.

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The government needs to publicize a simple leaflet which explains CLEARLY the more important points of what we get out of the EU now and why we should be IN and another side of what the EU is stopping us from doing and why we should be OUT. People are just forming opinions based on what they see when they probably don't know the facts.



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A better trading market would be within the commonwealth, who have a British culture or a variation and most speak English, along with those who were formally part of the commonwealth.  Besides, most of the EU need our trade as much as we do, so the idea that as soon as we leave the EU would mean we wouldn't be able to trade with the rest of Europe is absurd.



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A better trading market would be within the commonwealth, who have a British culture or a variation and most speak English, along with those who were formally part of the commonwealth.  Besides, most of the EU need our trade as much as we do, so the idea that as soon as we leave the EU would mean we wouldn't be able to trade with the rest of Europe is absurd.
You would be able to trade on the same terms as China.

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Want to go out? No problem but....
- all trade agreements that the UK benefits from in EU will be voided. Export to the EU will be taxed with import duties.
- all benefits for easy passport control, possession of goods and businesses will be null and void
- all money that the EU has promised to invest in UK projects will have to be paid the UK citizens instead.

Tell this to anyone of Ukip and they will proclaim that they want to go back to times of the EEC, not abandon everything. Why? Because they want to keep the benefits and just look for a way to divert the blame for bad government to the EU.

While they are at it, they might as well make Scotland independent so they no longer have to pay for Welsh losses...
Going out? No problem, heres some reasons to,
- The UK puts more than £40,000,000 into the EU EVERY SINGLE DAY for no clear reason.
- The UK would cut it's more than 600,000(out of date number) incoming migrants per year way down.
- The EU costs British families up to/more than £1,200 more a year in higher shopping bills.
- The UK would be able to negotiate more trade deals with the global community, not just the EU.
- The UK could certify that ALL laws are made in the UK, and not by some unelected moron in the EU.
- Abu Qaterrorist would have been dealt with long ago without the EU's shit ass policies getting in the way.
- The UK's fishing industries could finally get it's oceans back and actually make some money.
- The UK could finally turn back into a democracy, not a dictatorship lead by Brussels.


I support what Monkey said, the UK needs to trade more with the commonwealth, infact, the UK needs to focus everything on the commonwealth, it's a massive union with huge potential, and that potential isn't being grasped because the EU is too busy being dictated by the EU.

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We can either be at the centre of Europe, or outside of it: not on the fringe.

If anything we should have pushed ourselves into the heart of the Union at the very beginning, and therefore  having assured ourselves a greater say in European Affairs from the start.

Yet, we have failed to do that, and the Conservatives have pushed the country into a difficult position, and one that will perhaps either win them or lose them the next general election.

I for one would argue against leaving the EU, and have to agree with this:

Want to go out? No problem but....
- all trade agreements that the UK benefits from in EU will be voided. Export to the EU will be taxed with import duties.
- all benefits for easy passport control, possession of goods and businesses will be null and void
- all money that the EU has promised to invest in UK projects will have to be paid the UK citizens instead.

Tell this to anyone of Ukip and they will proclaim that they want to go back to times of the EEC, not abandon everything. Why? Because they want to keep the benefits and just look for a way to divert the blame for bad government to the EU.

While they are at it, they might as well make Scotland independent so they no longer have to pay for Welsh losses...

Though, as obviously, we here in the United Kingdom live in a democracy, the public should be consulted, and allowed to vote on the issue, though:

The government needs to publicize a simple leaflet which explains CLEARLY the more important points of what we get out of the EU now and why we should be IN and another side of what the EU is stopping us from doing and why we should be OUT. People are just forming opinions based on what they see when they probably don't know the facts.

The general public need to be made aware to pros and cons of leaving, or staying within the EU. Then, trusted to vote on the issue, right?


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I support what Monkey said, the UK needs to trade more with the commonwealth, infact, the UK needs to focus everything on the commonwealth, it's a massive union with huge potential, and that potential isn't being grasped because the EU is too busy being dictated by the EU.

Are you aware what the Commonwealth is?
It's a construct, an attempt by our imperialistic forefathers to maintain control/ influence over previous British colonies. It's merely a honorary creation, and has no real trade or economic value. 



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Are you aware what the Commonwealth is?
It's a construct, an attempt by our imperialistic forefathers to maintain control/ influence over previous British colonies. It's merely a honorary creation, and has no real trade or economic value.
I'm aware what it is, a union based on democracy and peace, the left overs of the British Empire.
It doesn't have anything special about it as it stands, apart from the fact they are all related to the greatest country in the world. :D But the UK, and all of the commonwealths independent nations could turn it into a massive economic and military superpower which actually fights for democracy and peace, unlike the US who just fights to defend the petrodollar, it has too much potential to be left untouched.

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Probably not the place to ask this, but since you brought it up; why isn't UK using the EU currency?



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Probably not the place to ask this, but since you brought it up; why isn't UK using the EU currency?
Why would we want to? The Eurozone is a complete and utter mess, the UK did a good thing by not joining it.
Not to mention the fact that the UK gets to keep a bit of it's Britishness by not joining.

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I'm aware what it is, a union based on democracy and peace, the left overs of the British Empire,.
It doesn't have anything special about it as it stands, but the UK, and all of the commonwealths independent nations could turn it into a massive economic and military superpower which actually fights for democracy and peace, unlike the US who just fights to defend the petrodollar, it has too much potential to be left untouched.

Though, how would that be led? Would it be any different to the EU?

Plus, if that happened wouldn't we just be restoring the British Empire?

Rather than a provincial alliance of countries, our energies should be combined and focused to create a more efficient United Nations, that could promote worldwide trade, and military cooperation.



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Probably not the place to ask this, but since you brought it up; why isn't UK using the EU currency?
Because maintaining a single currency between so many wildly different economies is a deeply flawed concept that has bankrupted numerous nations in the last few years. The only thing that kept us from the same fate recently was the strength of the pound.

tl;dr the euro sucks

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