Nearly half of all voters want Britain to leave the European Union

[Gandalf]

The same debate is going on in my country aswell as in the UK. The current situation of the southern states within the EU is facinating, and a little scary. Unfortunately, it is all about politics, and the bureaucracy in Brussels. The EU have tried to set a basic economy onto all European states which is not possible, as all states varies geographicaly, demographicaly and economic.

Unfortunately, what the EU has done, is to cut in the public sector in most countries that suffer hard from the economic crisis. Privatisation of hospitals, schools, energy, water supply, industry...

They should have learned from Iceland. Iceland was at rock bottom a few years ago. Just as Greece, Spain, Cyprus and so on.

The EU is unfortunately a dead project, and not democratic at all. Moving the democracy, in UKs position, from London to Brussels is very undemocratic. Who knows the UK best? Citizen within the UK, or bureaucrats in Brussels?

And more bullshit...

The EU has not cut any public sector, it has been the decision of local governments to earn quick money and push away responsibility.
Every state has its own possibility for most laws, the only requirement is that they must open the laws for fellow EU citizens. Every state can make their own budget, own spending and own taxes. What is required however is that they do not overspend their income by more than 3%. Which by itself is already too much. If you spend every month more than you earn, it will not go well.

Countries did try to learn from Iceland. What did Iceland do? Simply denied all people who invested money in their banks and took the amount to themselves.
Cyprus did the same, others may follow.
Sure if you owe everyone money and decide to tell them you will never repay, your own situation suddenly improves.

The EU is a completely democratic project and every citizen of every country has had the right to vote for all that happened and is still happening.
But if you have a lot of money, you do not care your neighbour drives a Mercedes. However if you have little or none, suddenly you want to know how he pays for it...

The EU has huge benefits, as it has removed inner passport control, created an easy market for companies to trade on so they can compete on a global scale.
The Euro is accepted in China as much as  the USD and in general found to be more stable.

Disbanding the EU or the Euro currency is not a magic solution. First of all the direct costs are huge, in a time that most governments are already out of money. Second IMHO if a country leaves, they should not keep the favourable trade conditions but indeed be put on a level like China or Bangladesh, meaning their products will rise 14% in price for their EU customers.
So where would this money come from? The EU?  :roll:

[[WS]Jacob]

All because nobody really voted for Bonnie Tyler in the Eurovision song contest.  :roll:

That's a good point for us leaving the EU. No damn Eurovision.

[Cyril]

That's a good point for us leaving the EU. No damn Eurovision.

Eurovison is not related to EU...

[Gandalf]

Eurovison is not related to EU...

It used to be, but the actual purpose has been lost for some time.
Originally it was a competition to experience the culture and language of the partaking countries, reason why every country sang in their national language.

[Cyril]

Yeah but even if they leave EU, they'll most likely take part to Eurovision

[[WS]Jacob]

Eurovison is not related to EU...

Crap.

Yeah but even if they leave EU, they'll most likely take part to Eurovision

Ha to loose every time. No thanks.

[Mikal]

And more bullshit...

The EU has not cut any public sector, it has been the decision of local governments to earn quick money and push away responsibility.
Every state has its own possibility for most laws, the only requirement is that they must open the laws for fellow EU citizens. Every state can make their own budget, own spending and own taxes. What is required however is that they do not overspend their income by more than 3%. Which by itself is already too much. If you spend every month more than you earn, it will not go well.

Countries did try to learn from Iceland. What did Iceland do? Simply denied all people who invested money in their banks and took the amount to themselves.
Cyprus did the same, others may follow.
Sure if you owe everyone money and decide to tell them you will never repay, your own situation suddenly improves.

The EU is a completely democratic project and every citizen of every country has had the right to vote for all that happened and is still happening.
But if you have a lot of money, you do not care your neighbour drives a Mercedes. However if you have little or none, suddenly you want to know how he pays for it...

The EU has huge benefits, as it has removed inner passport control, created an easy market for companies to trade on so they can compete on a global scale.
The Euro is accepted in China as much as  the USD and in general found to be more stable.

Disbanding the EU or the Euro currency is not a magic solution. First of all the direct costs are huge, in a time that most governments are already out of money. Second IMHO if a country leaves, they should not keep the favourable trade conditions but indeed be put on a level like China or Bangladesh, meaning their products will rise 14% in price for their EU customers.
So where would this money come from? The EU?  :roll:

Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:

[Salmonella]

Ha to lose every time. No thanks.

Their defeat this year was extremely funny to watch. Eurovision provided good comedy this year, just like the preceding years. A show that delivers! 

(No offence to those who actually care.)

[Mario_Rinna]

Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:

Russia had its own EU until the early 90's and is going to build another one soon.

[Salmonella]

Russia had its own EU until the early 90's and is going to build another one soon.

World War III isn't here yet.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:

Russia has offered to join the EU. Hoever the British were against as they felt they would lose power.  :cool:

[Frank_Hawk]

All because nobody really voted for Bonnie Tyler in the Eurovision song contest.  :roll:

Bonnie Tyler - Holding Out For A Hero (Official Music Video)

[Salmonella]

Bonnie Tyler - Holding Out For A Hero (Official Music Video)

Cezar - It's My Life (Romania) - LIVE - 2013 Semi-Final (2)

BEST

[Radagast]

You guys need to stop reading the Daily Mail and get your head back into the real world where it belongs. Though I do support leaving the EU, I'd like to know how much any Brit here has thought about it in any detail.

To those claiming "immigrants steal all our jobs": I'd like to see how many natives would do the kind of work that the European migrant workers are doing... picking produce on farms and packing it, working in factories, washing cars, sweeping the roads, shovelling your shit for (often) less than the minimum wage. All the while people sit on unemployment benefit because they don't want to do such work, even though it's often readily available.

Will also be interesting to see how things work out as regards travel and visas. Those who currently live abroad on British passports (on the Costa Del Crime, for example) might well be sent back if they don't meet new immigration critera. I like the thought of ghostly-white pasty-looking Welshmen moaning because they don't have their visa to go and get drunk and sunburnt...

Wonder how long it'll take after leaving for the media to be full of "bad decision to leave" and all that crap.

I don't mind either way - I can always travel around on my Polish passport...

[Cyril]

Pope spoke, amen  :pop: