Heritage List...the right to continue or a way to dictatorship?

[Danny_Leo]

Bone County Ammu-Nation that's currently owned by Gvardia was once sold for 2m by Danny Stracci and once by Warren for somewhere near 4m. Fort Carson Ammu-Nation was on auction and was sold for 3.5m. Blueberry Ammu-Nation was sold by Sforza.

Wasn't sold at the end, f**k I miss those 2m. But true, at that point of time in 2011, ammunation price was 2M from what I recall, unless it was property owned by highranked members of offical mafias.

edit - gram mistake

[Duncan_James]

I see more "switches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends than selling to normal people. Two faces for the same coin.

[Antonio.]

I see more "swiches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends more than selling to normal people.

Gvardia and Stracci were sworn enemies at that time, current owner of Blueberry Ammu-Nation is not even a mafia member and the owner of Fort Carson Ammu-Nation is a cop(?)

When there's a sale, there's the option of "offering a good price" or "taking the buyout".

[Duncan_James]

What i'm trying to say is that the Heritage List is pointless and is a mistake, if there's a reset, it should be with it's real and complete meaning, if there's no reset, we shall continue like nothing happened and everything will continue as it is. I didn't open the topic to tell stories, but more to speak about RS5, about what is coming, about future plans.

[SkyHawk]

Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?

Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?

Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?

I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..

[Duncan_James]

By this you are refusing the whole reset idea, which is 99% likely to happen. We are all equal in Argonath RPG, if we keep we keep all, if we loose we loose all, with exceptions of course.

[Danny_Leo]

I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..

Nailed it.

[SkyHawk]

By this you are refusing the whole reset idea, which is 99% likely to happen. We are all equal in Argonath RPG, if we keep we keep all, if we loose we loose all, with exceptions of course.

I'm not refusing the idea of a reset at all, I directly stated that if I did lose it, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'd work my ass off again to gain it all back just like I have now. But why should it be fair for me, or Danny, or anyone else on Argonath who has worked there ass off to gain something just to turn around and lose it and have someone else who hasn't put in half the effort of them and snatch it up? You claim this is a system of dictatorship, and it's not. This is a system of capitalism where those who have the most money are successful, well guess what even those with the most money are the same ones who started out like everyone else with little to no money and having to work their ass of to get where they are. The Heritage list has specific guidelines to state who can keep what, and I think it works just fine and so does half the community. It's the unspoken ones who refuse to put in the dedication and hard work to gain stuff themselves, but would rather snatch up the best businesses based on a reset.

[Duncan_James]

You're showing a bit of selfishness when talking about people who could purchase your property after reset if you don't buy it again first.

[SFTC]

I don't consider myself a "top" player in Argonath..I own the Dillimore Ammunation, I'm not apart of some criminal family, or some power house clan. I have a clan with 6 members, nothing special nothing over the top. I worked my ass of to get my ammunation. Would I be sad if I lost it, of course, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. But on the flip side, I've owned my ammunation for well over a year and declined offers excessing 12 million dollars to sell it strictly for hoping to keep it when RS5 comes out. Why should I have to lose something I made on my own without the help of other for ever 3 years just for someone else to snatch it up at the start of a new script? I even utilize this for roleplay with other players, by placing gun shipments when restocking. Having the outside cleaned by the sanitation department. It's not because I'm money hungry or power hungry, hell I don't make more than a 50k profit have the time because I set the fee so low, but its a pride factor to say that I worked my ass off and this is my own achievement to have this..

I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.

[SkyHawk]

I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.

I agree with this, I have always disagreed and look down on monopoly's and that's why they are illegal in the United States, and there are several groups that are close to monopoly's in Argonath but are stopped by 1 or two people. I think allowing one large income per business, depending on whether or not they can afford it would be suitable.

[Duncan_James]

I agree with this, I have always disagreed and look down on monopoly's and that's why they are illegal in the United States, and there are several groups that are close to monopoly's in Argonath but are stopped by 1 or two people. I think allowing one large income per business, depending on whether or not they can afford it would be suitable.

That's a good suggestion.

[Cofiliano]

Why do "top" players have the majority of ammunations and clothes shops in San Andreas, while others have a simple house here, a 24/7 visited once in a year there?

Take a ride and check San Andreas ammunations and clothes shops and gas stations, what do you notice?

Take a ride in San Fierro, Las Venturas, El Corona, East Los Santos, Verona Beach...etc, what do you notice?

Cause those top players didn't made topics like this, yet they work hard to get their 'dream' properties.

Do the same and you'll achieve it, but if you(not personally you, in general) are not capable of it or you're simply lazy to work that hard, don't expect to get some 'dream' properties easier then those top players did.

I see more "switches" and "pre-made" deals between mafia members and close friends than selling to normal people. Two faces for the same coin.

That's the way it works, in game and in real world. Again you want to achive the same? No problem, create a powerful group, work hard for years on developing, get good allies and friends, and you'll achieve it. That's how all of us had to do it, nothing was given to us for free.

I understand your point. You worked hard. I don't see the problem you keep an ammunation. As i said before, you should keep an ammunation por group.
I mean Gvardia have 6 or 8 ammunation idk, just keep 1 for RS5.

Yeah, you're the one who's gonna decide who should keep what for RS5.

 If you have a problem with the fact we work hard and invested so much in getting AmmuNations, get a group of investors and buy off the AmmuNations one by one, the ones we dont own, and maybe some that we own, that way you'll 'keep' us down, and that's the only way you can actually solve your 'problem' with our AmmuNations.

Gvardia had 1 AmmuNation, while their biggest rivals and enemies had all the others(7-8-9). So 'show' us what you got, instead of asking to get it easier then we had to get it.

Business rivals on the market is the same thing, as rivals on the streets. Its actually the basic of a capitalistic economy. And Argonath Economy is mostly exactly that.


Of course, I have always raised my hand for the "Use it or lose it" approach that Argonath HQ is supporting and practicing, especially cause of newer players, I would even make it stricter then it is now.

[SFTC]

Cause those top players didn't made topics like this, yet they work hard to get their 'dream' properties.

Do the same and you'll achieve it, but if you(not personally you, in general) are not capable of it or you're simply lazy to work that hard, don't expect to get some 'dream' properties easier then those top players did.
That's the way it works, in game and in real world. Again you want to achive the same? No problem, create a powerful group, work hard for years on developing, get good allies and friends, and you'll achieve it. That's how all of us had to do it, nothing was given to us for free.Yeah, you're the one who's gonna decide who should keep what for RS5.

 If you have a problem with the fact we work hard and invested so much in getting AmmuNations, get a group of investors and buy off the AmmuNations one by one, the ones we dont own, and maybe some that we own, that way you'll 'keep' us down, and that's the only way you can actually solve your 'problem' with our AmmuNations.

Gvardia had 1 AmmuNation, while their biggest rivals and enemies had all the others(7-8-9). So 'show' us what you got, instead of asking to get it easier then we had to get it.

Business rivals on the market is the same thing, as rivals on the streets. Its actually the basic of a capitalistic economy. And Argonath Economy is mostly exactly that.


Of course, I have always raised my hand for the "Use it or lose it" approach that Argonath HQ is supporting and practicing, especially cause of newer players, I would even make it stricter then it is now.

I'm just giving my opinion. Respect it.

I don't care how many ammu you have on RS4, i care how many you will have on Rs5, RS5 was also planed to give players a equal starting.
So if you "Gvardia" think that you should keep assest, just because you are official you are wrong. If you are so big as you say, show it starting from cero again, like all other non official mafias and clans will do.

I'm just suggesting that keeping the HQ and 1 business for the mafia is better than starting from 0 to you...

[Conroy]

The only selfishness I see in this topic is from the players who want their chance at owning something another player already has.
If an owner is inactive for 3 months, they lose it. If they are active, they keep it because it is rightfully theirs. They worked hard for it, they are managing to remain active enough to keep it running. There is no reason to take their property away from them.

This topic seems to be aimed at ammunations.
I am aware that seeing an unowned ammunation is rare, and players usually do own them for a very long time.
Why? They are the top business. They are the most expensive and they are used the most. There is nothing above them that an owner of an ammunation would sell for. They're already at the top.
A player who doesn't own an ammunation will always look up to them and wish they owned one.
If a player works hard enough, they will get the opportunity to own one. If an offer is rejected it means you need to work harder. If an offer is accepted then you deserve to sit back, reflect on all your hard work and enjoy being in a position many players wish to be in.


The heritage list is something Gandalf came up with to allow roleplay to be continued on in RS5. This is mainly aimed at family HQ's, the type of groups that create roleplay within Argonath.
A small business that promotes roleplay will still be in with a chance. A business that does no roleplay and is there only to get the owner money will have less chance.
What gets carried on into RS5 is not down to the scripters. The decision is solely down to the owners. We can only assist them by giving options.
The option for a reset was given before development even started. The decision on this matter will be revealed either at the server release, or if the owners chose to inform the community beforehand.

You must understand that there are more complex systems in RS5 that will make converting data from RS4 very difficult. It is possible, but whether it's feasible is a different matter.


It would be appreciated if this topic would not be about allowing players to have a better chance at owning every type of property, or that the heritage list is unfair. You should be aware that these are in place because the owners wanted them.
This would not be an enjoyable server if you could simply own any type of property you want when ever you wanted. It's a challenge to own them, which is exactly what a game should be about.
If you do not agree with this, there are other types of servers that may suit you better.