Heritage List...the right to continue or a way to dictatorship?

[Antonio.]

The same way NitrOx got to keep Stracci HQ even after losing it after three months of inactivity.

Daniel may not be active but Corleone is.

Nobody ever said anything about you keeping your HQ. We're more than aware of the property protection for groups...

tl;dr People who are lazy to work and achieve anything want to take away things from other players because they're jealous. If a reset is done because of this theory of "equality", then we will be having this same conversation a year after everything is reset.

[Gandalf]

Nobody's "crying" or "being a comedian" here, we're talking about equality which was confirmed by owners. I mean, if there is a reset, it should be total, with very low exceptions (like mafias HQ's), otherwise it is not a reset (check Oxford Dictionary for the word "reset"). Reset doesn't mean a-selling some players' properties and keeping them for other players or groups just because they are "official" or "old" or "they are important"...and so on. I'm not being jealous but more fair.

If there's no reset, then there shall be no more discussions regarding properties, as everything will stay as it is now and everyone should move on.

Also, nobody asked about "millions" at registration if there's a reset. We can start by 10,000$ and make great efforts to buy our previous properties or get better ones.

It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.

[Mikal]

Personally, the only properties i would like to see carried over from RS4 to RS5 is the HQ of old, active groups.

For once I agree with you. :razz:

By the way, did you all know Corleone HQ is actually a space observatory?

[Antonio.]

It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.

I fail to understand how giving everything to everyone that belongs to them is unfair.

[Hyuga.]

Gandalf, I don't see how taking stuff away from its owner is fair. Seriously, I'm not too lazy to raise a finger, as you said before, I'm just pretty much sure I won't have as much time as I did before to raise that finger.

Properties should not be taken away. It is totally, unquestionably unfair. I've heard arguments that some people have no chance to get a property they want, that's why resetting the properties is a fantastic, spectacular idea. There is ALWAYS a chance to get a property you want, even right now. Just taking them away just doesn't make sense. Taking money away, on the other hand, does. Not the properties, but the money should be taken, if you want some equality without rising chaos. Having the house, but no money will definitely encourage you to work for it and it wouldn't hurt the majority of people as much.

There are plenty of ways to bring equality to the game and encourage everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, to work.

And Antonio, I totally agree with you there. That's the most logical point there is in this discussion. I encourage everyone to just read this line out loud, if needed, and see if it makes sense.

Giving everything to everyone that belongs to them is unfair!

[Gandalf]

So if I see it right:
- taking properties away is unfair.
- not taking properties away is unfair.
Solution:
- National Heritage list.

Why would it be unfair not to take away properties?
In the case of a reset, all will start on the same level. Regardless if they kept their money in cash, invested it in weapons or in a property. If we do take away money and stored goods, but not properties that would be unfair.
People who worked hard and bought a property would keep their value, people who worked equally hard but keep it in liquid assests would not.
Unfair, unequal, unacceptable.

Why would it be unfair to take away the properties?
Some people have kept the same house, HQ or business for 5 years. Others have paid a buyout far more as the value to get that special place. To lose it hurts, to see it picked up by someone else right before you can buy it back would hurt even more.  While not unfair as it is the same for every player, still players who hold a place long time should get a way to be 'preferred' to rebuy it.

Solution:
In the case of a reset, it will be a reset for all. And all will start as 'new player' in order not to forget how new players are. That means if you want to buy a house, a car or a business you will have to work for it.
Some will be better at this than others. To avoid them scooping up the good properties and making huge buyout profits, in case of a reset the National Heritage will come in to play. If your property is accepted and listed, for a regular fee you can keep it on the list until you have gathered the money to pay. Not forever, but you will have more time as properties that are not accepted. If you stop to pay the fee, or the holding time expires, anyone can buy the property.
How is this fair? It gives you a choice to keep the property listed and working for it, while it will not be held free or forever. The expiry time will be based on similar properties and activity levels. If you do not want to keep it, do not pay the fee and its anyone's pick. If you want it, work for it, pay the fee, and you can buy it back. If you are not active enough to do it in time, that is your problem.
Nothing is perfect but it is as fair and equal as possible.

[Antonio.]

So I have to work to keep something that I've already fully paid off? Great.

[Mikal]

Honestly none of this bickering would be happening if everyone were just told wether the server is going to have a full reset or not, whats the point in keeping everything secret? It's just making everyone agitated. :roll:

[Gandalf]

So I have to work to keep something that I've already fully paid off? Great.

In case of a reset you will be a new player, not a veteran.
Will finally make you understand how a cop returning from death feels.....

[Duncan_James]

So if I see it right:
- taking properties away is unfair.
- not taking properties away is unfair.
Solution:
- National Heritage list.

Why would it be unfair not to take away properties?
In the case of a reset, all will start on the same level. Regardless if they kept their money in cash, invested it in weapons or in a property. If we do take away money and stored goods, but not properties that would be unfair.
People who worked hard and bought a property would keep their value, people who worked equally hard but keep it in liquid assests would not.
Unfair, unequal, unacceptable.

Why would it be unfair to take away the properties?
Some people have kept the same house, HQ or business for 5 years. Others have paid a buyout far more as the value to get that special place. To lose it hurts, to see it picked up by someone else right before you can buy it back would hurt even more.  While not unfair as it is the same for every player, still players who hold a place long time should get a way to be 'preferred' to rebuy it.

Solution:
In the case of a reset, it will be a reset for all. And all will start as 'new player' in order not to forget how new players are. That means if you want to buy a house, a car or a business you will have to work for it.
Some will be better at this than others. To avoid them scooping up the good properties and making huge buyout profits, in case of a reset the National Heritage will come in to play. If your property is accepted and listed, for a regular fee you can keep it on the list until you have gathered the money to pay. Not forever, but you will have more time as properties that are not accepted. If you stop to pay the fee, or the holding time expires, anyone can buy the property.
How is this fair? It gives you a choice to keep the property listed and working for it, while it will not be held free or forever. The expiry time will be based on similar properties and activity levels. If you do not want to keep it, do not pay the fee and its anyone's pick. If you want it, work for it, pay the fee, and you can buy it back. If you are not active enough to do it in time, that is your problem.
Nothing is perfect but it is as fair and equal as possible.

That's the statement that i/we waited for a long time, as this is a perfect solution for all conditions, thank you Gandalf.

[Antonio.]

In case of a reset you will be a new player, not a veteran.
Will finally make you understand how a cop returning from death feels.....

I was a new player on the server as well, I know how it feels.

[Hyuga.]

I wonder who said that letting people keep what they earned is unfair

[Def Perry]

If a reset would take place, then the maint issue is to adress the inactive players who have all the expensive and most wanted properties. Therefore, I suggest a full reset. Only this would give new players and poorer players a chance.

If you want to own a popular house/business, you have to be active. Otherwise you are just ruining role play opportunities and fun.
Post Merge: June 24, 2013, 12:12:18 am

It will be clear what we do with the list as soon as final decisions are made.
In the case of a reset it will certainly not be so that people will be given their old property, that would be unfair. However those people who wish to reclaim their old places may be given a limited time to earn enough to do so.
People who want their old house or business back can do so, but it may cost them exta to keep it safe. That way it is fair to all: people have the choice to go for something new or pay to have time for gathering what they need to rebuy their old places.

Sounds the best and most fair. This summarized the topic, /quit.

[Rusty]

Old groups who have HQ's they have held for YEARS should get them back such as Corleone Mansion and the Gvardia building in Queens. 
I don't agree in giving businesses such as Ammu-Nations back to original owners, everyone should have a fair chance at acquiring them in RS5.  First come first serve.

[Def Perry]

Very long post with a lot of ethical subjects regarding a money/property reset.

Socialism.  :banana: