Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Afyea on January 20, 2014, 09:50:33 pm
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So, im acctualy ''moaning'' here, if you will hate on me, just leave.
So.. I have lost 3 rounds of weapons today only because of new members that don't knwo the rules. Admin told me to not buy what i cannot afford to loose. The thing is i wont care if i loose it in RP fashion but i get DMed, or CKed.. I really think its not normal.. I /report him.. Admins doesnt give shit and telling they are doing as much as they can, and they can't handle my problems. then i have a strong worded PM chat... Then he bother to send me few warnings about my additute against him moaning to me but not giving a shit about thoose rulebrakers.. I know that it is good that people are comming... But is it worth to only tell them 1 time without even /warn, and loose loyal members instead? I think not... I know most of you will say Samp@argonath blablballblba and so on. But i wan't to take this to all of the members. I suggest you to spend more time on reports about new players as because of them im not even enjoying wasting time on this game. I got 10 min temp ban. And i honestly think that you should consider waste thoose minutes ofme on thoose new members.
As my friend said - Admins are nothing, they are because they have rights, nothing more.
So, i created this topic to others post their complains about admins/ their reaction on new members/ or their bad sence of punishing people.
With no respect to Leon.
Dominic
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That's not a bad sense if an admin is doing what they can then they are doing what they can. There is only so much they can do they not superhuman. If your going to give a bad attitude to an administrator why should they stand for it? Because you lost weapons... yes we understand you'd be f**ked off but still giving the admins the attitude is not called for.
The admins we have are trained to not jump the gun and use commands willy nilly sometimes simple words can solve an issue.
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But i have never saw admin warning player that DMed me... And he keeps doing it...
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As I've said they are trained to not use commands willy nilly sometimes words can solve an issue. You don't see everything an admin does. /warn is not the only way to solve things.
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If you are armed as you say, use your weapons on whoever attacks you. With guns in your hand you can solve the DMing problem with your own hands, you're not defenseless; you don't need an admin to solve it. Think of this when you are not getting admin answer - sometimes admins are simply outnumbered by reports.
Guy may be a new player, but above all he is a human and a GTA player, and he knows that if he attacks someone he's giving that person the right to retaliate.
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If you are armed as you say, use your weapons on whoever attacks you. With guns in your hand you can solve the DMing problem with your own hands, you're not defenseless; you don't need an admin to solve it. Think of this when you are not getting admin answer - sometimes admins are simply outnumbered by reports.
Guy may be a new player, but above all he is a human and a GTA player, and he knows that if he attacks someone he's giving that person the right to retaliate.
Im deendless.. If the guy Carkills me or backstabs me for no reason.
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Im deendless.. If the guy Carkills me or backstabs me for no reason.
/q before you die then.
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So.. I have lost 3 rounds of weapons today only because of new members that don't knwo the rules. Admin told me to not buy what i cannot afford to loose. The thing is i wont care if i loose it in RP fashion but i get DMed, or CKed.. I really think its not normal.. I /report him.. Admins doesnt give shit and telling they are doing as much as they can, and they can't handle my problems. then i have a strong worded PM chat... Then he bother to send me few warnings about my additute against him moaning to me but not giving a shit about thoose rulebrakers.. I know that it is good that people are comming... But is it worth to only tell them 1 time without even /warn, and loose loyal members instead? I think not... I know most of you will say Samp@argonath blablballblba and so on. But i wan't to take this to all of the members. I suggest you to spend more time on reports about new players as because of them im not even enjoying wasting time on this game. I got 10 min temp ban. And i honestly think that you should consider waste thoose minutes ofme on thoose new members.
You got Dm and lost weapons because of a new guy? Why don't you try and teach these new people about our server rules? Explain to them that it isn't a DM server, or something on these lines?
And just for the information we are doing out best keeping the server from rule breakers. Also remember you not the only player that is on.
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You already DMd me yesterday, suit yourself DMer.
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We are there to enforce the rules, but we can't be everywhere at the same time. Every report that we get, is handled sooner or later. Just because you don't see the outcome, doesn't mean we do not do our duties.
Regarding losing your stuff - we are players like everyone else. We do not get money from the duties, we can't spawn money. Why should we waste our own, hard-earned money just to pay back 10k you wasted on weapons? It is your responsibility to carry such things - if you can't take the risk of losing them, why do you even have them?
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It's a rare day when a report goes unhandled. Many times, the reporter will never know what happened to the one who he reported, but action is always taken, be it verbally, or in alternative form not visible to the public.
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At the end of the day, the jungle called RS5 is the survival of the fittest, if someone attacks you and you have weapons, by all means take them out with your weapons if you would like to and are able to instead of reporting.
If they decide to attack you, you're free to protect yourself by returning fire.
As you said and as others have said, you should think about the purpose of buying the weapons if you do not need them and can't afford to lose them under any circumstances, be that a script bug, being killed by a hacker or a new player.
Administration members are specifically instructed to only act upon what they see, if they do not see anything happening there's not a lot they're able to do which is why cooperation with them when in-game is vital.
When I say "act", it's specifically meaning severe punishment.
Having a terrible attitude with administrators won't lead anywhere good.
Keep in mind it's a game and the administration members are dedicating their time to help players, by giving them a hard time it may end up in them returning the favor in the form of punishment.
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.. I know that it is good that people are comming...
:lol: couldn't help, sorry.
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:lol: couldn't help, sorry.
Something funny?
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/q before you die then.
Script abuse = bannable, does not matter if it's used against a rulebreaker or not.
If you want to file a complaint against an admin - use [email protected] email. This topic should've been locked long time ago.
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:lol: couldn't help, sorry.
Wow you noticed that but moan when someone has a semi naked women as their profile picture, sad.
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And here is the 977667896466th time of posting those useless topic, god can't you people understand? Admins aren't robots/animals.
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I may very well be repeating what others have said, but I do recommend that you will have to respect the facts.
We have always heard tons of complaints about people losing this amount of that and so on, and we keep saying the same for a very good reason.
You should not buy what you cannot afford to lose. That a deathmatcher, bug, or an unfortunate accident makes you lose them, it is something you cannot request a refund for, We simply cannot do it. In the end it is your responsibility as well that could be blamed, for as earlier mentioned. Carrying such a valuable amount of posessions which are easy to lose can result in such events happening.
Expecting us to punish a player script-wise is something you should not think about as well. We try to use verbal communication as much as possible, if this is not possible then we have to resort to the commands we have.
Neither should you think that we don't do shit because we don't use them, for we do more than you think, and we have more to do as well...
Although it's not your fault, and I'm not blaming you, no one can really be blamed either.
We do what we can...
For both this was a tough moment however, but I hope this has settled the dust.
P.S. [email protected] is what you should've used, A topic usually brings more salt in the wound ;)
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Ha.
I used to laugh my arse off whenever people moaned at me - the shit people come out with when they have a rant is pure gold.
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And here is the 977667896466th time of posting those useless topic, god can't you people understand? Admins aren't robots/animals.
Humans are creatures, humans are animals, humans are living beings..
You can even call some admins monkeys.. (I'm not even sure if monkey is still an admin..)
Ha.
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Ha.
I used to laugh my arse off whenever people moaned at me - the shit people come out with when they have a rant is pure gold.
nice language for an admin
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nice language for an admin
Thank you. Have you met Aragorn by the way?
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nice language for an admin
Do you expect administrators to be holy priests or monks that have a perfect vocabulary without cursing? :dead:
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nice language for an admin
oh please, don't you even dare
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If we were doing terrible at the roles we have been provided with, we'd have been removed from the Admin team long ago. Sure a report or two might get missed on a busy day, if that happens don't spam it another four times. If you think we are doing jack-shit about your report, don't be a nuisance and complain in-game go speak to a Manager who will in turn kick our ass if he finds out we never did anything. We do the best we can to help player's and in the end all we get is abuse from players, then you wonder why YOU got punished? Yeah.
Admins are players, just like everyone else except we have been burdened with the rights to assist and keep the server at bay from people who wish to disrupt YOUR game-play. Have some appreciation for those who forfeit normal game-play to over-see you lot.
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What you need to understand is that not every thing you take for granted, is as logical to new players. Everything I know now would have seemed like total b.s. about 2-3 years ago. You can't change a person or the way he acts by /warn, /kick or /ban. We as moderators and administrators try to help people understand why something is forbidden, not just 'it's not allowed because the rules state so'. Stop looking at everything like it's black and white.
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Do you expect administrators to be holy priests or monks that have a perfect vocabulary without cursing? :dead:
I know even I let out a fuck, oh there's another one. :D
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Nice, so I can solve dm with dm? I like it that way. in RS4 i got punishments for doing that.
Another question, if someone carjack me, can i jack it back?
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Thank you. Have you met Aragorn by the way?
Definitely not by the looks of things. :lol:
Nice, so I can solve dm with dm? I like it that way. in RS4 i got punishments for doing that.
Another question, if someone carjack me, can i jack it back?
Ideally it would be better to report rulebreaking but if they attack you, you can return the favor and return fire if you want to. Just don't expect admins to help you if you then report him.
Same goes for carjacking, if someone steals your car, you can steal it back from them, but remember if he then reports you and the administrator punishes you for rulebreaking it's on you as you broke a rule in return.
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You can't handle deathmatcher, rulebreaker, carramming , ? Go play The Sims - Gandalf :)
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This topic isn't really needed, if you have a issue with the actions of a admin take it up at the email address, but always understand we are human and that while we may have more powers than normal players we don't have commands for everything. Time after time I am begged to return bugged weapons or other such things and the truth is I cant do everything. All I can try to do is offer my advice and from the looks of the first post that's what the admin tried to do. Worried about loosing guns don't buy em
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Oh lord, are these type of topics becoming a trend? Bunch of young ladies on their period, it seems.
Thank you. Have you met Aragorn by the way?
:rofl:
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Hi, me again, former admin !
To be honest I can understand your frustration yet this is not the place to out them. I will however show you my perspective:
While I was admin, I was known for being strict, warning everyone verbally in PUBLIC as that was the only thing that struck them. I guided new players, everything you wanted from me.
Result : Barely or NO playing time for myself. And you know what? I deemed myself PROUD of serving argonath so i couldnt care less of the low ME time.
Conclusion? To admins right now : spend more time helping players, act on reportd but also give feedback about what u did to the reporter.
If you cannot do that, why are you in the /admins list? Now, realizing almost everyone will shit on me, ill /q for now.
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If new players got warned over every little thing they do wrong instead of having a moderator or admin explain them what they're doing wrong (which is actually a moderator's first and foremost job, correct me if I'm wrong), then we wouldn't have new players for long...
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Thank you. Have you met Aragorn by the way?
Yes I have. This topic is slowly becoming a laughing stock because apparently admins aren't acting serious here. Don't you have some sort of way to talk to each other instead of making this thread a circus? :rolleyes:
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What's life without entertainment? :v:
I don't see how there's an issue with how administrators and players alike have been speaking to one another in this thread.
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It's a game
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Yes I have. This topic is slowly becoming a laughing stock because apparently admins aren't acting serious here. Don't you have some sort of way to talk to each other instead of making this thread a circus? :rolleyes:
What? You expect all us norms to have all the fun but admins have to stay srs bsns?
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What? You expect all us norms to have all the fun but admins have to stay srs bsns?
Not exactly. My theory says that if you go way too unserious, your judgement skills will deteriorate. :gand:
It's a game
I agree but it's not an excuse to use profanity. Any admin who tends to be profane is free to leave the roster.
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I agree but it's not an excuse to use profanity. Any admin who tends to be profane is free to leave the roster.
No rule like that. Admins are not intended to be priests.
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Not exactly. My theory says that if you go way too unserious, your judgement skills will deteriorate. :gand:
I agree but it's not an excuse to use profanity. Any admin who tends to be profane is free to leave the roster.
Did an administrator saying "fuck" really make you have a sleepless night which resulted in you disliking them swearing every so often?
It's about time to notice that profanity is all over on the internet.
Argonath is not a mosque, not a church, not a holy place. A swearword being used is not such a big deal. :janek:
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Did an administrator saying "f**k" really make you have a sleepless night which resulted in you disliking them swearing every so often?
It's about time to notice that profanity is all over on the internet.
Argonath is not a mosque, not a church, not a holy place. A swearword being used is not such a big deal. :janek:
Well sorry if it's acceptable to say such words. At least, for me it's not, because if I remember correctly, I swore to a member of the community 5 years ago to never swear on a forum. I really hope such philosophy/culture gets spread quickly among the members :gand:
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It's respectable that you made a promise to keep your language in check however I see no reason to force our administration members to be priests in the making with a vocabulary so clean you can see a reflection in it.
Thus allowing them to express their opinions be that with swearing or not, we are not going to parent them and slap them on the wrists if they say "fuck".
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a slap to the mouth is more effective
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It's respectable that you made a promise to keep your language in check however I see no reason to force our administration members to be priests in the making with a vocabulary so clean you can see a reflection in it.
Thus allowing them to express their opinions be that with swearing or not, we are not going to parent them and slap them on the wrists if they say "f**k".
OK your Excellence.
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Fight fire with fire,don't count on admins, period.
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Fight fire with fire,don't count on admins, period.
Fire with fire? Still on your period?
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Fire with fire? Still on your period?
lol
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Fire with fire? Still on your period?
Admins act like they're on period 24/7 ,why shouldn't we strike back to those biitch ass dmers.You feel me ,son ?
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Admins act like they're on period 24/7 ,why shouldn't we strike back to those biitch ass dmers.You feel me ,son ?
Remove the tampon from your nose and try to realize how much nonsense administrators have to deal with each time they are on the server with troublesome individuals.
If someone attacks you and you're able to defend yourself then do so, if not then report the player, feel me?
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Remove the tampon from your nose and try to realize how much nonsense administrators have to deal with each time they are on the server with troublesome individuals.
If someone attacks you and you're able to defend yourself then do so, if not then report the player, feel me?
Im sorry Mrs.Devin but I feel realy bad for the admins which have to take care of 10 people's nonsense when they go IG( get it ? since everyone left...had to 'translate' it for you so you understand).As for the tampon, I would like to tell you to shove it off your ass but I won't since I would get forum banned,you feel me ?
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Good to see you have moved on, too bad you still post on the forums. :depature:
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that escalated quickly.
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Good to see you have moved on, too bad you still post on the forums. :depature:
My work here is done.For now...
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The guy who created that topic;
-Carrying weapons with any type its your own risk to lose them , not to tell about admins that you lose it.
-Getting DMed by Newbie player,You need to take a evidence,Admins not a god to take time back and watch what happened.
-If you killed 5 times in 5 minutes,We have dashcam programs which will record your screen,Everyone else knows that you can use it for evidence.
-If you dont think Admins making their duty non-fair , Ye you can use [email protected] to complain about Administrator or Moderator.
- To be fair,All of these admins and Mod team totally experienced people,They know what to do ;)
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Considering that the OP has been here for almost a year, I'd have to say he's a slow learner if getting attacked by a new player is enough reason for him to make a topic on the forum. Don't tell me if an asshole slapped you IRL, you would go shouting for your mom instead of handling him yourself.
During my time as admin, one of the things I did not like was the "spam" reports from "veterans" who were acting like the proverbial lady with a rat up her skirt as they got punched by a new player, or some other problem just as insignificant. It takes away admin time from more valuable things, such as helping new players and maintaining order among the non-prima-donna players.
That aside, all admin work is volunteer and charity work as well. In spite all the shit, the thanks you get when you know you have helped a new player advance in this community or solving another player's problem is worth it. In fact, some of them come back to you years after and remember you for it. No regrets.
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It feels that someone just penetrated my heart with a dagger. So much moan around here! :v:
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Considering that the OP has been here for almost a year, I'd have to say he's a slow learner if getting attacked by a new player is enough reason for him to make a topic on the forum. Don't tell me if an asshole slapped you IRL, you would go shouting for your mom instead of handling him yourself.
During my time as admin, one of the things I did not like was the "spam" reports from "veterans" who were acting like the proverbial lady with a rat up her skirt as they got punched by a new player, or some other problem just as insignificant. It takes away admin time from more valuable things, such as helping new players and maintaining order among the non-prima-donna players.
That aside, all admin work is volunteer and charity work as well. In spite all the shit, the thanks you get when you know you have helped a new player advance in this community or solving another player's problem is worth it. In fact, some of them come back to you years after and remember you for it. No regrets.
Are you done talking about admin history? You are now a player, just like us.
Dominic actually got the balls to say this, while many other players are having the same problem. We all know that /saveweapons is not an alternative for saving weapons. It should've been fixed a long time ago. The fact that lots of 'newbies' are joining Argonath is a good thing, as long they follow the server rules. It clearly states 'Argonath RPG'. If you are clever enough you would find out that this is a role-play server.
Veterans may /report too, its up to the admin how to handle it. The weapons might not be refunded, but atleast punish the rulebreaker. In the admins eyes it could be considered as 'spam' while it is just a regular report which happens every single day. It is an admin's job to help the player forward to getting the rules better. Not pushing them backwards by warning him and move to the next report.
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Are you done talking about admin history? You are now a player, just like us.
I always was. Clearly the ones with the problem are the ones who regarded admins as machines, omnipotent helpers, or (even worse) baby-sitters to solve their every problem, instead of human players/leaders who also had a limited patience in putting up with bullshit, like everyone else.
It has been made clear again and again that more is to be expected of from veterans than from new players, as you know more than them and are thus expected to act better.
In MTA:VC (a timeless comparison), players actually just killed the attacker when we were DMed. In fact, we used hackers as target practice, holing up in a stronghold and using our skills on the hacker when he came nearby instead of crying like a pussy when a new player punches once.
That is one problem with many of today's "veterans". They are weak, whiny, and are quick to pin the blame on the new players (instantly spamming "/report <newplayerid> DM" rather than try to teach the new player how the server works) instead of remembering that they actually know how to handle things better, which is not a surprise why you see a "veteran" getting punished in a situation where he claims the new player is to blame.
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A quick tip : "Keep it short guys,no one reads all of that shit".
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I always was. Clearly the ones with the problem are the ones who regarded admins as machines, omnipotent helpers, or (even worse) baby-sitters to solve their every problem, instead of human players/leaders who also had a limited patience in putting up with bullshit, like everyone else.
It has been made clear again and again that more is to be expected of from veterans than from new players, as you know more than them and are thus expected to act better.
In MTA:VC (a timeless comparison), players actually just killed the attacker when we were DMed. In fact, we used hackers as target practice, holing up in a stronghold and using our skills on the hacker when he came nearby instead of crying like a pussy when a new player punches once.
That is one problem with many of today's "veterans". They are weak, whiny, and are quick to pin the blame on the new players (instantly spamming "/report <newplayerid> DM" rather than try to teach the new player how the server works) instead of remembering that they actually know how to handle things better, which is not a surprise why you see a "veteran" getting punished in a situation where he claims the new player is to blame.
To bad nobody acts like you, Argonath would be way better.
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To bad nobody acts like you, Argonath would be way better.
Everyone act like JDC ? God no... His 'rp it' would make it do that every player has to ROLEPLAY even logging in the server
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If admin doesn't respond to your report which is quite often, just smile and wave boys. smile and wave. or you'll be the one banned for saying that they don't check reports, even if it's valid ;)
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If admin doesn't respond to your report which is quite often, just smile and wave boys. smile and wave. or you'll be the one banned for saying that they don't check reports, even if it's valid ;)
If that's what you think, then good on you. :app:
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Same goes for carjacking, if someone steals your car, you can steal it back from them
swag
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Not exactly. My theory says that if you go way too unserious, your judgement skills will deteriorate. :gand:
I agree but it's not an excuse to use profanity. Any admin who tends to be profane is free to leave the roster.
Your theory may be somewhat valid but you as a person need to know when and when not to be.
I didn't know how to take your last sentence to be honest with you. Anyway regarding the swearing and being in bother with it... There is a difference between swearing with and at/towards someone. If it's the latter then yes you will get in bother.
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If admin doesn't respond to your report which is quite often, just smile and wave boys. smile and wave. or you'll be the one banned for saying that they don't check reports, even if it's valid ;)
Ignorance is bliss.
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What I see here, you are complaining because you lost your weapons and the admin did nothing about it.
1. You're right, we are just normal players, but we have rights. That doesn't mean we have rights to give money to ourselves or to anyone, by that, we have to earn money ourselves, which concludes point 1 to; We're not forced to refund players, seeing as its out of our own assets / money.
2. The forum is not a place to complain about an admin, use the email.
3. Instead of running around with guns, why not buy them, store them, and teach the new people who 'kill' you how to play. You were a new player, I was, so was everyone else. Just because you're experienced doesn't mean you have a thrown over ones who are not.
4. If you want an admin to be friendly with you, then be friendly with him - He has no reason to throw his toys out of his cot unless you're the one provoking the shit out of him saying he does nothing and he's useless blablabla - My point is, don't throw petrol in the fire if you can't put it out when it smokes you out.
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So much moan around here! :v:
Keep in mind, moaning is healthy and we should be happy we having moaning people in the community. Moaning works relieving, and we should be glad people are willing to share their complaints with us, not many are able to do this.
I've seen people (also in this community) who didn't moan nor promote moaning, and just accumulated all their frustration to a certain point and eventually 'exploded', causing much more damage to the community than a regular 'moaning post' would. Although, a thing moaners could think of, is trying to bring their complaints in a 'friendly' way.
Instead of telling moaners to f**k off or instantly attempt to counter them, listen to them, make them feel heard, because this is all they need to be cheered up.
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Keep in mind, moaning is healthy and we should be happy we having moaning people in the community. Moaning works relieving, and we should be glad people are willing to share their complaints with us, not many are able to do this.
I've seen people (also in this community) who didn't moan nor promote moaning, and just accumulated all their frustration to a certain point and eventually 'exploded', causing much more damage to the community than a regular 'moaning post' would. Although, a thing moaners could think of, is trying to bring their complaints in a 'friendly' way.
Instead of telling moaners to f**k off or instantly attempt to counter them, listen to them, make them feel heard, because this is all they need to be cheered up.
Indeed. The thing is that I've see so much moan around Argonath and have not been any other community with so much moan. The question is if they wanna change it to become something else or be what it always been.
Things are messed up around here.
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simple solution to admin overexertion: remove /p.
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simple solution to admin overexertion: remove /p.
/togglepublic is now available!
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/togglepublic is now available!
/togglepchat sir.
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/togglepchat sir.
:war:
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You can't handle deathmatcher, rulebreaker, carramming , ? Go play The Sims - Gandalf :)
My favorite quote,I swear I played Sims for two weeks after it,until got it permently bugged... ;)
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Indeed. The thing is that I've see so much moan around Argonath and have not been any other community with so much moan. The question is if they wanna change it to become something else or be what it always been.
Things are messed up around here.
Well, if there are lots of people moaning, there's definitely something wrong here, don't you think? :rolleyes:
Ohh, and as Huskar mentioned I just realised why nobody has ever suggested an Argonath Sims server...?
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Ohh, and as Huskar mentioned I just realised why nobody has ever suggested an Argonath Sims server...?
I won't be surprised if we put up a Sims server and some people would still complain about being harassed by new players. :lol:
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As an old moderator I can just say that most of the times, you are not giving out any warnings or etcetera in public. Most of the times, you're quite frankly speaking through chat forms to make him/her realize his/her wrongdoings. Just because it does not pop up a colored text line with the individual you reported's name doesn't mean that there's no hand job going on behind the bushes.
It's easy to throw shit and all what that is, but it's harder to give constructive feedback and something for the administrators to build on. Yet I do agree that some administrators think this is on life and death, giving a headache to players just because they're acting up. Quit pumping up yourself and get back to the player you used to be before you got rights handed to you.
Be you.
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I meant remove /p altogether, although it was mostly intended as a bait post :P
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I meant remove /p altogether, although it was mostly intended as a bait post :P
Like a robot law enforcer, solving the community' problems by removing most of its interaction. Perfect robot logic, if there are no players to interact with, then no rules can be broken.
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I meant remove /p altogether, although it was mostly intended as a bait post :P
Increased script restrictions will only drive more players away.
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Increased script restrictions will only drive more players away.
it was mostly intended as a bait post :P
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That is legitimately a case of not being able to detect a bait post if it danced naked in front of them with a kettle on it's head.