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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Khm on January 26, 2014, 11:38:24 pm
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Today the Foundation Board has finished working on the new constitution of Tunisia but with hard loses; killing two ministers, killing a lot of the army soldiers, killing innocent people, bomb explosions. Today Tunisia made another great history. We hope to all the countries under a revolution to succed as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FngwdSGB5YY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKaI6lR6RY
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Can you give me the main points of this Constitution? Like does it grant you certain liberties that weren't in place before, what advances have been made?
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Can you give me the main points of this Constitution? Like does it grant you certain liberties that weren't in place before, what advances have been made?
Yes it does
It made every single citizen equal and able to vote certain positions in the government and more islamic laws in it. Noone now can work for his own or an outside agency. The citizens are able now to watch every single action by the government.
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certain positions in the government and more islamic laws in it.
Mixing Religion and Politics/Laws...It never ended up good...
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It made every single citizen equal
more islamic laws in it
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these the kind of laws that lead to women being forced to cover themselves more, being disallowed from driving, being denied other privileges allowed to men, and etc.? How is that equality?
Religion and the state have never been a good mixture when it comes to promoting actual equality.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these the kind of laws that lead to women being forced to cover themselves more, being disallowed from driving, being denied other privileges allowed to men, and etc.? How is that equality?
Religion and the state have never been a good mixture when it comes to promoting actual equality.
Yep, you're wrong. :)
Read the Qur'an and you'll find out why, cba to explain the same thing over and over.
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Yep, you're wrong. :)
Read the Qur'an and you'll find out why, cba to explain the same thing over and over.
:app: That's exactly what I was going to say!
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Yep, you're wrong. :)
Read the Qur'an and you'll find out why, cba to explain the same thing over and over.
Rather than an unsubstantiated assertion and being told to read the Qur'an, I'd like a more logical answer, or at least an explanation how the equality of women is protected given that other countries under Islamist law curtail their privileges.
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Rather than an unsubstantiated assertion and being told to read the Qur'an, I'd like a more logical answer, or at least an explanation how the equality of women is protected given that other countries under Islamist law curtail their privileges.
Those countries aren't actually doing what the islam said, they are just following the old laws of uncounting women in life. The Qur'an is actually full of democratic rules and should be followed, evan UK started trying to use islamic bank laws!
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and more islamic laws in it.
Not good.
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Not good.
For the people that doesn't know a shit about Qur'an and are racist, of course yes. ;)
*roleplays 1pt text*: Sorry i forgot the haters.
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For the people that doesn't know a shit about Qur'an and are racist, of course yes. ;)
*roleplays 1pt text*: Sorry i forgot the haters.
No, people just don't want to know about it.
racist
Fail
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Wonder who's that troll that made the sentence that big, this is not some other shit talking topic.
Fail
Sorry for being human and failing.
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Wonder who's that troll that made the sentence that big, this is not some other shit talking topic.
What the hell are you talking about?
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What the hell are you talking about?
*roleplays 1pt text*: Sorry i forgot the haters.
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*roleplays 1pt text*: Sorry i forgot the haters.
That's you making it big if you didn't realise..
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That's you making it big if you didn't realise..
Nope, it wasn't me.
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Nope, it wasn't me.
Yeh it was, you just did it again..
And why do you even keep using a font?
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The forum intentionally makes text big when you attempt to format it at size 1pt.
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Yeh it was, you just did it again..
And why do you even keep using a font?
I like this font and i used another font size to put in 1pt (look at the original post again....) and no it's not me, someone is trolling around here.....
*roleplays 1pt text*: The forum intentionally makes text big when you attempt to format it at size 1pt.
That's silly. -_-
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I like this font and i used another font size to put in 1pt (look at the original post again....) and no it's not me, someone is trolling around here.....That's silly. -_-
Ok, whatever pointless stuff you feel like doing..
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Dear lord give me strength... :neutral2:
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Dear lord give me strength... :neutral2:
You can keep asking, only weights and the right diet will give you strength. ;)
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The Qur'an is actually full of democratic rules and should be followed, evan UK started trying to use islamic bank laws!
No we haven't. There is one law in this country and that is sovereign. It's a principle called the Rule of Law where everyone is equal before the eyes of the law, one law for everyone. To my understand Sharia law is illegal here because it does not comply with British values.
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I may need some enlightening on this matter, but please do name a country where Shar'ia law is currently enforced, with the results being equal rights for women and non-muslims.
Because if such cannot be a norm, then it would still be reasonable for me to conclude that Islamic law will mean lesser rights for those outside of the dominant male Muslim majority.
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I may need some enlightening on this matter, but please do name a country where Shar'ia law is currently enforced, with the results being equal rights for women and non-muslims.
Because if such cannot be a norm, then it would still be reasonable for me to conclude that Islamic law will mean lesser rights for those outside of the dominant male Muslim majority.
There is no country is using Sharia's fully law, they just want to make everything like US and Europe.
No that's wrong in Islam everyone is equal you also should respect animals like humans.
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There is no country is using Sharia's fully law, they just want to make everything like US and Europe.
Then how sure are you that the latest passing of religious (Islamic) laws in the country after the revolution will not follow the same path?
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Then how sure are you that the latest passing of religious (Islamic) laws in the country after the revolution will not follow the same path?
They never followed the Islamic laws in Tunisia before, just few that's all.
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They never followed the Islamic laws in Tunisia before, just few that's all.
And what is there to convince you that Tunisia will follow a path different from every other country that has implemented Islamic laws?
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No we haven't. There is one law in this country and that is sovereign. It's a principle called the Rule of Law where everyone is equal before the eyes of the law, one law for everyone. To my understand Sharia law is illegal here because it does not comply with British values.
You'll find things are much the same in Australia, sure we're a nation of convicts... British convicts who can still see sense in the principles of Commonwealth Law despite carrying criminal DNA. :lol:
You can keep asking, only weights and the right diet will give you strength. ;)
A lot of Bogans (Chavs as you'd call them in the UK) find steroids quite effective.
That being said I'd imagine any petition to the Almighty for strength would be answered with words to the effect of "Do you even lift bro?".
Or to quote the late great George Carlin: "Pray in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled first"
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Congratulations Tunisia! Hopefully more countries will achieve peace. :bananarock:
ألّاهمّ أجعل تونس و كلّ البلدانالمسلمينبلدانسالمينو أقوياء
Greetings From Algeria! ;)
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ألّاهمّ أجعل تونس و كلّ البلدانالمسلمينبلدانسالمينو أقوياء
آميÙâ€
(amen)
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Congratulations KHM and other Tunisians, i hope you will have a bright and happy future and that the promised changes prove fruitful for all people.
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in Islam everyone is equal you also should respect animals like humans.
:rofl:
You'll find things are much the same in Australia, sure we're a nation of convicts... British convicts who can still see sense in the principles of Commonwealth Law despite carrying criminal DNA. :lol:
Now now, not all of you are convicts, some people had to be the prison guards! :D
I'm kidding, I wish the UK was more like Australia, if it was we wouldn't be getting forced out by a religious plague, maybe we'd also be focusing on the commonwealth a bit more instead of the petty EU tea party, atleast Nigel Farage doesn't let them work in peace at their little EU gatherings, oh god how they shit themselves whenever it's his turn to speak. :lol:
Or to quote the late great George Carlin: "Pray in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled first"
I gather it'd be the one with the shit. :lol:
ألّاهمّ أجعل تونس و كلّ البلدانالمسلمينبلدانسالمينو أقوياء
[Translate]More importantly, make Tunisia and all the countries of the Muslim countries safe and strong[/Translate]
English only please. :)
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Wait, there was a rebellion going on there?
Damn, I spent too much on skyrim.
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Wait, there was a rebellion going on there?
Damn, I spent too much on skyrim.
Nah, the worlds media is just so used to these types of countries fighting with eachother and blowing themselves up that they can't be bothered covering them no more. :rolleyes:
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in Islam everyone is equal you also should respect animals like humans.
Can I ask why then you have some horrendous ways of treating animals when executing them for food. In order to make meat Halal, the throat of the animal is slit and made to drain upside down for days. How inhumane is that.
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Can I ask why then you have some horrendous ways of treating animals when executing them for food. In order to make meat Halal, the throat of the animal is slit and made to drain upside down for days. How inhumane is that.
Because giving the animal a bullet or chop him up in a machine is very humane, right?
If you want to go down that road, every way of killing is ''inhumane''.
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Because giving the animal a bullet or chop him up in a machine is very humane, right?
If you want to go down that road, every way of killing is ''inhumane''.
I don't believe in "humane" ways of killing as there is none in my eyes. For me, it's about making sure they feel the least amount of pain before their consciousness is taken away.
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I don't believe in "humane" ways of killing as there is none in my eyes. For me, it's about making sure they feel the least amount of pain before their consciousness is taken away.
I remember I read something about the Islamic way of killing to be the least painful manner, due to a certain nerve being cut, decreasing the amount of pain.
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"Dhabīḥah (ذَبÙÂيْØÂÙŽØ©) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all meat sources, excluding fish and other sea-life, per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well-sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, windpipe, and jugular veins to cause the least amount of suffering to the animal. The head of an animal that is slaughtered using halal methods is aligned with the Qiblah. In addition to the direction, permitted animals should be slaughtered upon utterance of the Islamic prayer "in the name of God."
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Because giving the animal a bullet or chop him up in a machine is very humane, right?
Slaughter houses tazer the animal in the head killing them instantly, they feel nothing.
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In Australia the industry standard for slaughtering animals is electric shock, death is instant, the animal never sees it coming; the animal does not suffer. Electric shock doesn't even break the skin.
Can you please explain how the Islamic practice of using a Knife is more humane?
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In Australia the industry standard for slaughtering animals is electric shock, death is instant, the animal never sees it coming; the animal does not suffer. Electric shock doesn't even break the skin.
Can you please explain how the Islamic practice of using a Knife is more humane?
Not everyone can resort to electric shock whenever they feel the need to. There are people who might need to slaughter the animal out in the middle of nowhere, and some who just maybe can't afford the equipment. A sharp knife is easier to obtain.
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Slaughter houses tazer the animal in the head killing them instantly, they feel nothing.
Then I assume you have been an animal tazed in the head and died instantly not feeling anything since you seem to know that they don't feel anything. Don't define the feelings of a being other than yourself, I don't think you are able to feel exactly what they feel.
English only please. :)
Sowwy mommy, I-I didn't mean to be mean.... *sniffs* :lol:
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Yep, you're wrong. :)
Read the Qur'an and you'll find out why, cba to explain the same thing over and over.
Why would we want to read the quran? This is politics, not religion, and where religion is involved in politics, it results in oppresion, murder, war.
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I remember I read something about the Islamic way of killing to be the least painful manner, due to a certain nerve being cut, decreasing the amount of pain.
If a nerve is indeed cut, then there should be less pain. But if you just slit the throat and the major blood vessels, the animal (or human) would still feel the agony of bleeding to death and oxygen deprivation.
I'm guessing this is one of the reasons the vet will just use a tranquilizer to induce sleep, then more to stop the vital signs, once it is time to put your dog down...
Back on track, no one has still clarified whether or not Sharia Law in Tunisia will not result in reduced rights for women and other minorities that are oppressed in areas controlled by religious law. A change of constitution does not always mean peace and liberty.
And what is there to convince you that Tunisia will follow a path different from every other country that has implemented Islamic laws?
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Then I assume you have been an animal tazed in the head and died instantly not feeling anything since you seem to know that they don't feel anything. Don't define the feelings of a being other than yourself, I don't think you are able to feel exactly what they feel.
It's called having scientists. We are pretty sure how an animal is made up as to be able to kill them in the least painful way possible. Just because we cannot 'be animals' doesn't mean we know nothing about them.
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It's called having scientists. We are pretty sure how an animal is made up as to be able to kill them in the least painful way possible. Just because we cannot 'be animals' doesn't mean we know nothing about them.
But even logically. Let's take chicken execution as an example. First on all, tazing might not always work 100% it might be weaker at some times, which will leave some nerve impulses working, sending pain indications to the brain obviously causing pain. There is always that small risk of the tazer failing. But if you cut the head off.... all nerve impulses pretty much die... so nothing will be felt. 0% risk tolerance too, right? Think about it ;)
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Let's take chicken execution as an example. First on all, tazing might not always work 100% it might be weaker at some times, which will leave some nerve impulses working, sending pain indications to the brain obviously causing pain. There is always that small risk of the tazer failing. But if you cut the head off.... all nerve impulses pretty much die... so nothing will be felt.
A tazer isn't used as such, they're stunned with electric. A chicken lives for a few minutes after it's head is chopped off you know? With electrification it's instantaneous. I consider that more humane than slicing an animal's head off leaving it to run around in pain while it slowly dies.
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It's posts like yours that derail the topic. The topic is about a new Constitution for Turkey which is based off Islamic principles and we are bringing what these principles stand for into question. If you don't ask you don't learn anything about the world we live in and other cultures.
Coming from a 'closed-minded Brit'.
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Why would we want to read the quran? This is politics, not religion, and where religion is involved in politics, it results in oppresion, murder, war.
Don't worry, you won't die when you read it. Nothing proved that Islamic laws and cultures led to a 'war'. Will answer more by tomorow or whenever I open my pc.
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A tazer isn't used as such, they're stunned with electric. A chicken lives for a few minutes after it's head is chopped off you know? With electrification it's instantaneous. I consider that more humane than slicing an animal's head off leaving it to run around in pain while it slowly dies.
Alright, I'm not really familiar with the way you guys shock it or whatever :P But lives for a few MINUTES??? I dont think it is minutes. And if you have witnessed it running around... wow you witnessed a bad guy slaughtering. You know we are not allowed to slaughter if the animal insists. And as I said, it does not feel pain because its nerves are cut so there is no signal to the brain.
Here is a video of how we slaughter and how peaceful it actually is. Its a bit long but I seriously recommend you to watch it just to get a better idea of how we do it. The video does not contain graphic footage: Guranteed. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeNJHw4MoT4
If you wanna know more there is part 2.
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Alright, I'm not really familiar with the way you guys shock it or whatever :P But lives for a few MINUTES??? I dont think it is minutes. And if you have witnessed it running around... wow you witnessed a bad guy slaughtering. You know we are not allowed to slaughter if the animal insists. And as I said, it does not feel pain because its nerves are cut so there is no signal to the brain.
Here is a video of how we slaughter and how peaceful it actually is. Its a bit long but I seriously recommend you to watch it just to get a better idea of how we do it. The video does not contain graphic footage: Guranteed. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeNJHw4MoT4
If you wanna know more there is part 2.
Seen the video before, and there were some people on a forum saying there has been a research about this, and that it really works.
It's posts like yours that derail the topic.
Actually it was you who started the 'slaughtering' subject and opened fire on the Islam, while this topic goes about the Jasmine revolution...
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Don't worry, you won't die when you read it. Nothing proved that Islamic laws and cultures led to a 'war'. Will answer more by tomorow or whenever I open my pc.
"Cough" Yugoslavia "Cough"
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"Cough" Yugoslavia "Cough"
Care to explain? :uhm:
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Alright, I'm not really familiar with the way you guys shock it or whatever :P But lives for a few MINUTES??? I dont think it is minutes. And if you have witnessed it running around... wow you witnessed a bad guy slaughtering.
Ever heard of the saying "Running around like a headless chicken"?
Actually it was you who started the 'slaughtering' subject and opened fire on the Islam, while this topic goes about the Jasmine revolution...
The Constitution is based of Islamic principles which I and several people have called into question about whether they are better for the future of Tunisia and it's people - some of which remain unanswered. It was relevant, whereas a 'humourous' post with a train wasn't.
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"Cough" Yugoslavia "Cough"
Yugoslavia was never an Islamic country.....
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Yugoslavia was never an Islamic country.....
But it had a big quantity of Islamic people. The Yugoslav war was a war between Christian Serbs and Islamic Bosnians. Prooves my point that politics and religions cant be mixed up.
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But it had a big quantity of Islamic people. The Yugoslav war was a war between Christian Serbs and Islamic Bosnians. Prooves my point that politics and religions cant be mixed up.
You just said it; it was a war between 3+ religions not with eachothers with the same religion. :P And that also doesn't prove that it was an Islamic country.
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Ever heard of the saying "Running around like a headless chicken"?
I have, and I highly doubt the saying was implemented by a muslim. I'm pretty sure a non-muslim came up with that. And I am also quite sure it is not from the Islamic way. Trust me, I have slaughtered quite a few chicken. None of them ran around. Every single chicken I slaughtered or any muslim who I saw slaughtering, died there. No running around at all. As I said earlier, if the animal is not ready for submission, it shall not be slaughtered.
Seen the video before, and there were some people on a forum saying there has been a research about this, and that it really works.
Yeah it actually works. Me and my dad fortunately had the chance to slaughter lambs on the day of Eid Al Adha. We tried it out there, worked perfectly. Oh and it was at a farm of a non-muslim since we live in a non-muslim country. But yeah it worked perfectly. The lamb did not run around for minutes. It did not run around at all, just peacefully died there in the name of Allah.
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Oh and the animal goes completely unconscious once its neck is cut, because the blood flow to the head stops completely. Absolutely no pain.
If you want clarification: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=161841
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Bad thing about muslims is that they only listen to qu'ran quotes about killing non-muslims and things, I mean some of them would rather go wtfboom than spread religion in peaceful way.
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Bad thing about muslims is that they only listen to qu'ran quotes about killing non-muslims and things, I mean some of them would rather go wtfboom than spread religion in peaceful way.
Please... not one of you again. Give me a quote from the quran WITHOUT TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT.
Oh and those who go wtfboom... they are not only found in islam. Wtfboom is haram anyway. According to islamic rules islam has to be spread peacefully.
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But it had a big quantity of Islamic people. The Yugoslav war was a war between Christian Serbs and Islamic Bosnians. Prooves my point that politics and religions cant be mixed up.
The war was started by Christians though.
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But it had a big quantity of Islamic people. The Yugoslav war was a war between Christian Serbs and Islamic Bosnians. Prooves my point that politics and religions cant be mixed up.
Here is a funny fact: There is not even 1 country which uses 100% islamic laws. If there was one which uses 100% islamic laws (which is not only sharia) it would work pretty well. Just like in the old times (history) muslims were one of the most powerful and perhaps the wisest, spreading islam in the most peaceful way possible. Why? Because they were 100% according to islam.
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Please... not one of you again. Give me a quote from the quran WITHOUT TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT.
That's the point, some muslims are actually doing that, ignore whole story about spreading religion and just remember the killing thing.
I don't hate Islam lol, jussayin
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Wonder who's that troll that made the sentence that big, this is not some other shit talking topic.
That troll would be the forum itself. All tiny text has been "censored" to display very large instead. People decided they wanted to keep taking advantage of the forum features, so they were changed.
Religion and the state have never been a good mixture when it comes to promoting actual equality.
I have to agree here for the most part, as political agendas and personal beliefs already clash on their own. Mixing them is only creating more chaos. It can vary in some cases, however, as true believers of some religions will often use it to promote good and peace in politics. It really just depends on how it is done, and the local culture affected by it.
Read the Qur'an and you'll find out why, cba to explain the same thing over and over.
It also depends on your interpretation of it. Thanks to many extremist groups using religion to fuel their greed and hatred, many religious books have become "tools" to promote the wrong things. It is only those who believe in seeking peace and guidance from these works in a positive way that will be able to successfully mix them into politics/government in a way that does not create more problems. That is why I hope that the revolution's outcome causes people to realize this before they take their demands for rights too far, and accidentally self-censor themselves or others.
As for the original post's information, promotion of violence and murder should not be part of a revolution's goals along their path to success. The point of a revolution is to reform things for the better...not take the lives of those who don't agree. Remember, revolutions are supposed to make things better for everyone, not just some...else it defeats its own purpose.
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That's the point, some muslims are actually doing that, ignore whole story about spreading religion and just remember the killing thing.
I don't hate Islam lol jussayin
Exactly Petarda, now I agree with you.
It is the PEOPLE, yes some muslims too, actually and unfortunately many muslims, or people who call themselves muslims take the stuff out of context and go "Jihad!!" crash 911! Which is against islam. But some people just unfortunately understand the stuff wrong, which then goes in the news pissing on the reputation of all muslims. :(
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Exactly Petarda, now I agree with you.
It is the PEOPLE, yes some muslims too, actually and unfortunately many muslims, or people who call themselves muslims take the stuff out of context and go "Jihad!!" crash 911! Which is against islam. But some people just unfortunately understand the stuff wrong, which then goes in the news pissing on the reputation of all muslims. :(
That's because the misleading of the secret agencies.
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That's because the misleading of the secret agencies.
Yep.
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It simply disgusts me how people stereotype (i.e. "All muslims blah blah blah") a certain religion negatively based on the actions of extremists who use the religion for their own gains. I myself have Muslim friends and they are some of the most peaceful people I know.
Going back, seeing as there is no country that will implement "100% of Islamic laws as according to the Qu'ran", the question still remains unanswered: how will Sharia law not lead to the repression of those outside the male muslim majority in Tunisia? (i.e. women, non-muslims)
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Going back, seeing as there is no country that will implement "100% of Islamic laws as according to the Qu'ran", the question still remains unanswered: how will Sharia law not lead to the repression of those outside the male muslim majority in Tunisia? (i.e. women, non-muslims)
You must be anxious to find out. You've been asking that for 3 days and no one has answered yet. :lol:
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It is the PEOPLE, yes some muslims too, actually and unfortunately many muslims, or people who call themselves muslims take the stuff out of context and go "Jihad!!" crash 911! Which is against islam. But some people just unfortunately understand the stuff wrong, which then goes in the news pissing on the reputation of all muslims. :(
Then it up to Muslims to stamp out these extremists in their religion who abuse it. If you want the West to stop interfering in your business, which I do too, then you must take a stance to combat these people.
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If you want the West to stop interfering in your business, which I do too, then you must take a stance to combat these people.
Nope, if they want West to stop interfering their business they will need to give them oil.
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Then it up to Muslims to stamp out these extremists in their religion who abuse it. If you want the West to stop interfering in your business, which I do too, then you must take a stance to combat these people.
You think the Islam is a clan or something? There are plenty of people claiming to be Muslim and go around bombing people and whatnot...
Let me tell you something, they aren't Muslims ;)
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Let me tell you something, they aren't Muslims ;)
INDEED!!!
It bugs me how people call the guys bombing and doing all the terrorism muslim extremists. They are not muslim, and especially not extremists. They just claim to be muslim, taking the quranic verses out of context. Extremism is a whole different thing.
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You must be anxious to find out. You've been asking that for 3 days and no one has answered yet. :lol:
Then I guess you can expect the same pattern of curtailing civil rights to show itself again.
With the change of a constitution, people see little more than the promises of peace and freedom, at the cost of other sacrifices that may go unnoticed by everyone apart from those affected.
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Islam forbids extremism.
Let me explain extremism. Extremism is exceeding the limits in trying to worship god.
There are numerous evidences in the Book and Sunnah censuring extremism. Allah says, " O ye who have believed, do not put (yourselves) before Allah and His Messenger but fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing."{al-Hujurat(49): 1}
Allah also says, "Say, O people of the scripture do not go to excess in your religion and do not say about Allah except the truth."{an-Nisa(4):171}.
He also says, "So remain on the right course as you have been commanded,(you) and those who have turned with you (to Allah), and do not transgress. Indeed, He is Seeing of what you do."{Hud(11):112}
The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Beware of extremism in the religion."(reported by an-Nasae). And he (phuh) also said: "The extremist are destroyed, the extremists are destroyed, and the extremists are destroyed." (Muslim)
Also, he (pbuh) said: "I was sent with the upright moderate way." (Ahmad). Yet in another narration, the Prophet of Islam (pbuh) said: "This religion is ease and no one is hard on the religion except that it overcomes him." (Bukhari).
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Going back, seeing as there is no country that will implement "100% of Islamic laws as according to the Qu'ran", the question still remains unanswered: how will Sharia law not lead to the repression of those outside the male muslim majority in Tunisia? (i.e. women, non-muslims)
I understand your question, but can you clarify how would it repress them?
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repression of those outside the male muslim majority in Tunisia? (i.e. women, non-muslims)
I'll leave someone more eloquent to lay out the women issue, but with non-muslims I really doubt there would be much of a barrier. Perhaps there would be taxation, but I doubt there will be problems with them being registered as legal citizens. (like there is in Saudi Arabia)
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You think the Islam is a clan or something? There are plenty of people claiming to be Muslim and go around bombing people and whatnot...
Let me tell you something, they aren't Muslims ;)
Most of these extremists will be brought into Islam when they are younger but are brainwashed by people that take advantage of their innocence - causing them to commit these horrendous acts. I believe that more can be done in Muslim communities at a localised level to stamp out these extremist attitudes before they start to grow and grow out of control.
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Most of these extremists will be brought into Islam when they are younger but are brainwashed by people that take advantage of their innocence - causing them to commit these horrendous acts. I believe that more can be done in Muslim communities at a localised level to stamp out these extremist attitudes before they start to grow and grow out of control.
What about hardline imams that help instill hatred of western / non-muslim practices?
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What about hardline imams that help instill hatred of western / non-muslim practices?
There is actually an islamic subject called "Fiqh" which is jurisprudence in english. It is the study of applying Islamic rules in different places. Now you cannot apply some rules in USA which can be applied in KSA. And these 'hardline imams' or however you want to call them, they are most probably in a muslim country where these rules can be applied. And when they preach the rules, for example if they preach some rule which opposes the western practices, it means you apply it IF you can.
Let's take an example. Let's take male and female separation. In theory, males and females should not be together. Now if you are a man and live in the US. You obviously want to work to earn a living. But almost all occupations involve colleagues, and almost always you will have a few colleagues of the opposite sex. Now will I go "no no no I will be involved with women"? No. I HAVE TO deal with it. But if I lived for example in Saudi-Arabia, HAH easy. All occupations are either 100% male or 100% female.
So that rule you can apply in KSA but not in USA. Now a sheikh will go preaching it in al-jazeera, and then it will make headlines about how muslims are weird and oppose western traditions and they create problems because they will require occupations with only 1 sex involved even though the rule will not be applied in the countries where it cannot be applied.
Oh and as if as non-muslims dont instill hatred against muslim practices.
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What about hardline imams that help instill hatred of western / non-muslim practices?
They can be arrested under the Terrorism Act, if they are preaching terrorist agenda to their followers.
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Before anything else, as an outsider raised in a semi-oriental, semi-western culture, I have little knowledge in many matters of Islamic teachings, so forgive any lack of information on my part.
There is actually an islamic subject called "Fiqh" which is jurisprudence in english. It is the study of applying Islamic rules in different places. Now you cannot apply some rules in USA which can be applied in KSA. And these 'hardline imams' or however you want to call them, they are most probably in a muslim country where these rules can be applied. And when they preach the rules, for example if they preach some rule which opposes the western practices, it means you apply it IF you can.
They can be arrested under the Terrorism Act, if they are preaching terrorist agenda to their followers.
What about those who encourage their followers to hate western practices and westerners, but stop short of outright preaching violent or extremist agenda? Are there rules in Islam itself that forbid these practices?
Let's take an example. Let's take male and female separation. In theory, males and females should not be together. Now if you are a man and live in the US. You obviously want to work to earn a living. But almost all occupations involve colleagues, and almost always you will have a few colleagues of the opposite sex. Now will I go "no no no I will be involved with women"? No. I HAVE TO deal with it. But if I lived for example in Saudi-Arabia, HAH easy. All occupations are either 100% male or 100% female.
My question here is less centered on cultural relativism and more on equality individuals regardless of sex. Do the customs of male-female separation also encourage curtailing of rights for women, such as driving or enjoying the same rights as men under the law?
Oh and as if as non-muslims dont instill hatred against muslim practices.
There are bigots on all sides of the world, unfortunately. As we cannot do something about it, I would like to limit my questions here to matters of Islam themselves and less on how people are spreading this or that about Muslims.
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My question here is less centered on cultural relativism and more on equality individuals regardless of sex. Do the customs of male-female separation also encourage curtailing of rights for women, such as driving or enjoying the same rights as men under the law?
Yes. Nothing forbids them for driving, getting education or a job.
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Yes. Nothing forbids them for driving, getting education or a job.
curtailing of rights for women, such as driving or enjoying the same rights as men under the law
To curtail means to "reduce in extent or quantity; impose a restriction on". You may want to do a double-take on your answer.
If women enjoy the same rights as men, why are they forced to cover themselves more or disallowed from contact with non-related men? Does this restriction also apply to men?
Also, what about incidents or practices in Muslim-majority countries such as the ones described in this article (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/04/opinion/ghitis-muslim-women-rebels/)?
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If women enjoy the same rights as men, why are they forced to cover themselves more or disallowed from contact with non-related men? Does this restriction also apply to men?
I will try to answer the other questions later but this one was easy so I started with it.
Women have to cover themselves so that only their own husband is allowed to enjoy looking at her beauty. Honestly, every time in a western country when you see a fine girl on the streets, your hormones obviously go ding dong. So by covering themselves, they allow only their husbands (and some close relatives called mahrams) to see them. Of course there are many more reasons such as preventing rape and being pure and showing that you are muslim, but that was one main point why they wear hijab.
Men wear hijab too. Hijab = some kind of barrier/obstacle in arabic.
We can't wear silk or gold (scholars have generalized this to mean not wearing "lavish clothing") - Women however, can.
- We can't wear "feminine" clothes
- We're suppose to have a beard (but sadly most don't follow this)
- We can't wear tight or revealing (ie. biceps) clothes, especially if it may cause fitnah (corruption).
- We must cover between the belly button and the knees.
Men just have a smaller area to cover because women are obviously much more 'delicate' and attractive if you know what I mean.
And no, it is not oppressing women. Islam teaches to treat women like queens!
Men and women do have equal rights in Islam. Men have their rights, restrictions, and so do women.
And at last, I may ask a similar question. Why is it not considered nudity (in western societies) if a man is without a bra. But it is nudity, if a woman is without a bra? There. In a nutshell.