Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Tho_mas on July 17, 2014, 07:06:34 pm
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A Malaysian airliner with 295 people on board has crashed in Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, amid allegations it was shot down.
Dozens of bodies are scattered around what is believed to be the wreckage of the jet near the village of Grabovo, a Reuters correspondent reports.
Flight MH17 had been due to enter Russian airspace when contact was lost.
Both the Ukrainian government and rebels have denied shooting it down in the region close to the Russian border.
Russian separatists are believed to have shot down two Ukrainian military planes over the region in recent days.
BBC news.
Malaysia Airlines again? :(
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Sources confirm that there has been found no wreck of a so called militairy 'transport' plane. But the seperatists believe that they have shot one down. Probably mixed up the planes somehow. Though it was above 10 kilometer high so I doubt that the simple rebels could have done this.
My guess would be Russian involvement.
300 people dead, 30 Dutch civilians.. terrible.
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Sadly.
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Witnesses state that they saw an already burning plane, loosing pieces in the sky, coming down.
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Damn,thats sad
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(http://content.nos.nl/data/image/xxl/2014/07/17/676099.jpg)
BUK-M1 rockets that were most likely used.
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(http://www.leeshetnu.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lifenews1.png)
Woman with a 2,5 month old baby decided to switch flights and therefor survived the crash.. thank god.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e2_1405620105
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9f_1405619655
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e2_1405620105
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9f_1405619655
Harsh stuff to watch man, damn. :'(
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Russia has to pay for that.
I'm really sorry for the families and their loss. Innocent victims of russian agression and terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnuHxAR01Jo&feature=youtu.be
https://twitter.com/OTregub/status/489850891764518912/photo/1
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Putin's plane was flying above the same area, on the same spot and in the same time so his plane was most likely the target of attack.
Ukrainians didn't do anything, right? :lol:
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Putin's plane was flying above the same area, on the same spot and in the same time so his plane was most likely the target of attack.
Ukrainians didn't do anything, right? :lol:
Ukrainians don't have russian "Buk" ( the weapon that shot down the airplane) at the area. Some time ago, terrorists were boasting about obtaining it from Russia. After the accident, they deleted all the posts about it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswtaOVIEAAQf0q.png:large)
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http://liveuamap.com/ (http://liveuamap.com/)
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Putin's plane was flying above the same area, on the same spot and in the same time so his plane was most likely the target of attack.
This is what I'm most inclined to believe. However I have heard different in regards to the timing of the airplanes. According to a source I have read from, the Malaysian plane flew over Poland half an hour before Putin's plane flew over the exact same spot and at the exact same altitude. The planes were the same exact 777s and the only thing that did tell them apart was the Malaysian Airlines banner.
How strange eh..
Also why was the plane flying over the war zone?
It is indeed very strange as to why a plane would fly over such a risky airspace when all other airlines fly around it just for the sake of staying alive.
Refer to this:
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It is indeed very strange as to why a plane would fly over such a risky airspace when all other airlines fly around it just for the sake of staying alive.
Refer to this:
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Also this:
Regular route that plane uses
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CHANGED ROUTE THE PLANE USED TODAY
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Difference between ROUTE 1(NORMAL ROUTE) and ROUTE 2(CHANGED ROUTE)
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Why is the route change and why was the plane flying over the war zone(Donetsk Republic)?
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Please stop talking about something you have no idea about.
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Whether false or true, my thoughts are with those affected.
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This is the negligence of the Malaysian Airlines to fly in the Ukrainian Airspace, where United States warned every airliner to avoid due to tension between Russia and Ukraine. I am deeply disappointed and sad due to the loss of innocent lives and another Malaysian Airliner disaster within 4 months.
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The plane flew a different route because of a thunderstorm.
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Please stop talking about something you have no idea about.
Do enlighten us then!
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Russian involvement is obvious. There's no way the Donetsk and Luhansk seperatists could have gotten their hands on such technology. Ukrainians didn't have any deployed near the border either. It's obvious. If it will be confirmed that Russia was involved, European Union should quit being a fucking coward pussy and discontinue any diplomatic relations with Russia instead of threatening with obviously ineffective sanctions that Putin couldn't give less shits about. No self-respecting country, not to mention a super power like EU, should ever have anything to do with terrorists. And this incident has made it more than clear that Putin and his whole Kremlin are nothing but international terrorists.
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Russian involvement is obvious. There's no way the Donetsk and Luhansk seperatists could have gotten their hands on such technology. Ukrainians didn't have any deployed near the border either. It's obvious. If it will be confirmed that Russia was involved, European Union should quit being a f**king coward pussy and discontinue any diplomatic relations with Russia instead of threatening with obviously ineffective sanctions that Putin couldn't give less shits about. No self-respecting country, not to mention a super power like EU, should ever have anything to do with terrorists. And this incident has made it more than clear that Putin and his whole Kremlin are nothing but international terrorists.
And USA and EU have nothing to do with Ukrainian crisis, right? Talking about weapons, what about Libya? Who gave weapons to their separatists? Russians again? No, it was world policeman and it's minions...
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(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/07/restricted%20air%20space.png)
bullshit
EU and USA are terrorist themselves, also this incident proves us that USA are nothing but international terrorists.
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And USA and EU have nothing to do with Ukrainian crisis, right? Talking about weapons, what about Libya? Who gave weapons to their separatists? Russians again? No, it was world policeman and it's minions...
I couldn't give less shits about what USA did or what it did not do. What we're talking about here is that Russians shot down a fucking civilian airplane and killed around 200 innocent men and women, out of whom 80 were children, there is no fucking way to even discuss politics in this. I dont care whats going on in Middle East neither I did care much about the whole Donetsk/Luhansk bullshit, these people can shoot each other to extinction if they're that stupid for all I care, but there's no fucking way we start discussing politics in an incident like this, you heartless spic.
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I couldn't give less shits about what USA did or what it did not do. What we're talking about here is that Russians shot down a f**king civilian airplane and killed around 200 innocent men and women, out of whom 80 were children, there is no f**king way to even discuss politics in this. I dont care whats going on in Middle East neither I did care much about the whole Donetsk/Luhansk bullshit, these people can shoot each other to extinction if they're that stupid for all I care, but there's no f**king way we start discussing politics in an incident like this, you heartless spic.
Why are you so sure it were Russians?
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We need to destroy Russia, together we stand, together we fall for a better world! Down with Russia!
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Why are you so sure it were Russians?
Who else could have it been? The Rebels? With no technology to do so? The Ukrainians? They have enough problems already and do you really think that after all the support it's receiving to do such a risk and shoot down the plane and blame it on the rebels? What if someone backtracks them and everyone sides with Russia?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28362872
Tbh i'd say it really was the rebels. The Ukrainian and Russians both have highly trained and experienced troops but the rebels don't. Do you really think Russia would give the rebels rocket launchers alone? It's very likely they have weapons much more advanced than that. Especially after the rest of the airplanes stopped visiting and with tensions of Ukraine's recent victories building up it's likely that some untrained soldiers panicked and pulled the lever.
Atleast that's the most likely scenario. Ukraine could have downed the plane for the publicity but it's too risky, if they are caught it's gonna take away any hope of external help. If they aren't it gives only a small amount of anti-rebel sentiment. It's illogical for Russia to attack the plane themselves, they gain nothing from it and they know that unless the culprit is found, they are likely to be blamed for it too.
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>ukrainian rebels take down a wrong plane
>#stoprussianterrorists
lmao
"Ukrainian rebels"
What? WHAT? WHAT?
Unrelated image removed.
You've just proved that you have completely no idea about this conflict.. Congratulations!
These are not Ukrainian rebels. This whole war is about Ukrainian Army fighting Russian separatists who are aiming to declare Luhansk and Donetsk and various other Eastern Ukraine territories that are populated by ethnic Russians as independant states and join the Russian Federation, which are funded and armed by Russian Federation. What you've just said is stupid on so many levels I don't even..
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For fuck sake Rytuklis and Petarda, this is a topic about a tragic crash where many innocent passengers were shot down, yet both of you manage to divert it into a "political" discussion with insults like two high school kids going at each other. If you both can post normally for once, that'd be great.
This is tragic, and at least one family of those on board already lost a loved one in MH370, now this happens. Another empty seat at the dinner table that will never have the beloved one occupy it again. My heart goes out to those involved.
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First they suspected it were 25 Dutch civilians. Now it's turned into 193. Not that nationality really matters but it makes the impact on the Dutch people bigger. Some of the victims lived within a 20 kilometer radius of me. My friends dentist assistant was one of them.. that's how close things get. I know that in the middle east people die on a daily basis and in larger numbers but for a peaceful country as The Netherlands this is quite big..
Best wishes to the families of the victims.
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First they suspected it were 25 Dutch civilians. Now it's turned into 193. Not that nationality really matters but it makes the impact on the Dutch people bigger. Some of the victims lived within a 20 kilometer radius of me. My friends dentist assistant was one of them.. that's how close things get. I know that in the middle east people die on a daily basis and in larger numbers but for a peaceful country as The Netherlands this is quite big..
Best wishes to the families of the victims.
My mothers boyfriend knew a whole family that was in the plane.
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Who else could have it been? The Rebels? With no technology to do so? The Ukrainians? They have enough problems already and do you really think that after all the support it's receiving to do such a risk and shoot down the plane and blame it on the rebels? What if someone backtracks them and everyone sides with Russia?
Maybe someone who have experience with shooting down civilian planes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Wait for some facts, don't s*it without having any clue... Don't be blinded by hate toward Russians...
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Serbians will always be supporting russians no matter what, even tho Russians do nothing to Serbia except giving few overused parts for vehicles.
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Serbians will always be supporting russians no matter what, even tho Russians do nothing to Serbia except giving few overused parts for vehicles.
We don't need benefits from them so we support them. Same colours, same religion. Brotherhood.
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Russian involvement is obvious. There's no way the Donetsk and Luhansk seperatists could have gotten their hands on such technology. Ukrainians didn't have any deployed near the border either. It's obvious. If it will be confirmed that Russia was involved, European Union should quit being a f**king coward pussy and discontinue any diplomatic relations with Russia instead of threatening with obviously ineffective sanctions that Putin couldn't give less shits about. No self-respecting country, not to mention a super power like EU, should ever have anything to do with terrorists. And this incident has made it more than clear that Putin and his whole Kremlin are nothing but international terrorists.
The only obvious thing is that you got no idea about the conflict, and that you're being biased in a way that you'll ignore all the facts, cause you're more into propaganda then actually discussing things.
Serbians will always be supporting russians no matter what, even tho Russians do nothing to Serbia except giving few overused parts for vehicles.
We don't even get those overrused parts of vehicles. :lol: Its normal for us to be supporting Russians, but not just cause of our traditional connection with them, yet cause we felt on our own skin, how injustice and brutal are Americans(not the people, the Government), when ever their interests demands to. Ask people from Iraq, Afganistan, Lybia, Entire ex-Yugoslavia, Vietnam, entire Latin America, ask Ukrainians as well.
But tts important to stay objective when discussing and handle only the proven facts, everything else is just propaganda, like this Rytuklis.
About the subject, first of all its a terrible tragedy with all the bs happening, its sad to see more people lose their life for the solo purpose to attach someone something massive as this.
There's alot of question to be asked about this:
-Why was the plane flying that area, by the order of Ukranian Air control?
-Why were there Ukranian suhoy planes close to the same aircraft?
-How did Ukranians know few seconds after the plane was down that fact (as witness by Spanish Air control) and shared to other Air Controls?
-MALAYSIAN AIRLINES? This is one of the most important facts in this whole mess, that shouldn't be passed out just easily, yet constantly asked is it fucking possible its the same type of the plane and same airlines as the one missing?
-Did Russian rebels shot it down by land-sky system, or did Ukranians shot it down by their planes ( who were confirmed to be in the air in that time)?
-What did the OEBS announced about the dead bodies, and their conditions?
-How come the plane took the same route as Putin's plane?
"Follow the cash flow" is the way you'll find out who launder money, when it comes to geo-politics,
you can apply the same theory as "follow the interest flow"
And most important questions: WHO'S GETTING THE BIGGEST INTEREST IN THIS HAPPENING, now, at that area, in this moment, with all this mass media propaganda machine working non stop?
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Where you getting this information from?
The plane might have been over the conflict zone but also over the restricted air zone
And this flight's route was perpendicular with Putin's flight route, it's like saying a plane flying Berlin - Rome took the same route as a plane flying London - Vienna
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Serbians will always be supporting russians no matter what, even tho Russians do nothing to Serbia except giving few overused parts for vehicles.
I'll be the first one to tell that they are retards if I see some hard evidence it was them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
"Ukraine eventually admitted that the disaster was probably caused by an errant missile fired by its armed forces."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM#t=38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MrASx-RiM#t=38
I Deliver Fresh News When I Can On Live Events and Cover In Depth Looks Into This Government and False Flag Attacks! I report on Earthquakes or crazy weather, Sun Activity and Asteroids and Comets, Illuminati , Government , World Power, Conspiracies, Shootings
I personally trust this reliable source of information.
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I personally trust this reliable source of information.
I personally don't care in who and what you believe.
@topic:
http://cyberwarzone.com/mh17-ukrainian-security-service-sbu-seized-discussions-air-traffic-control/
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Condolences to all the families who have lost a member of their family from this tragedy.
Russia has questions to answer about their funding of pro-Russian separatists.
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Russia has questions to answer about their funding of pro-Russian separatists.
To who and why?
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I am really pissed off by the particular incident, whoever did it.... should pay for it!
There was a family on the plane I know, I don't know them extremely well as close friends, but I knew them. My cousin lives in Breda, city in the Netherlands and was in class with one of the boys who died during the crash. I've seen them on birthdays and when I visited my cousin; as I see him quite a lot. I'm not sure what to say about that, as I never experienced something like this. I feel angry and sometimes I just want my country to gather up an extremely big amount of soldiers and go there and defend the crash area whatever it takes.
Imagine these families without there loved ones, imagine friends, colleagues.... I have no words for this. I want those who are responsible for this to suffer, to feel the same pain they give to people (you never gonna reach that level though). I have strong feelings of revanche, but that's just emotions. I know I am not the one who lost his close friends or family, but with my feelings known; imagine the others.
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It really does not matter which side of the conflict you support. The thing is, whoever did this is a fucking monster, and shall be dealt with. And that applies if it turns out that Ukrainians shot the plane, too. Nobody has the right to take 200 innocent unarmed souls because of someone not being able to deal with things like a human being should.
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To who and why?
To the world. Why? Because their money which has been given to fund these separatists has resulted in a plane being shot down and innocent people being killed.
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It really does not matter which side of the conflict you support. The thing is, whoever did this is a f**king monster
Well done, you came to this conclusion only after about 3 posts of sending Russia to hell and back. I understand though, it's in the nature of every proud Lithuanian EU citizen to blame the evil Russians for anything that goes on on the planet. I suggest we all start blaming Russia for bad weather too.
On topic though, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned earlier but there's a theory that this airplane could have been the same MA plane that went missing last time. Another theory I'm sure hasn't been mentioned here and will sound very stupid at first sight is that the plane may have been filled with nothing but corpses because as far I as am aware, there still have not been any official records on the passengers on board of the plane and as far as I take it, the main purpose of this shoot down was to get the airplane to crash on Russian soil which, unfortunately enough for the perpetrators, did not happen.
Now the purpose of it crashing on Russian soil is very simple. It is quite obvious that detail will be ignored when it comes to such spontaneous incidents, and the only thing people will be talking about is that Russia shot it down. I'm not going to go too deep into why because it is common sense.
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To the world. Why? Because their money which has been given to fund these separatists has resulted in a plane being shot down and innocent people being killed.
I don't see world policeman explaining his actions to the world... Innocent people are getting killed on daily bases in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc and still nothing... ;) I am not sure they have to explain why (if) they are supporting one of two divided fractions. And don't be too sure evil Russians took down that plane ;)
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Russian Rebels tweeted "We told you not to fly in our airspace" or something similar the second the plane went down. Minutes later after it was released MH17 was downed, the tweet disappeared.
Russian Rebels have been spotted with BUK missile launchers that as old as they are, are incredibly accurate and a well done piece of engineering.
Because of the flight direction, to Russian Rebels it would look as though the plane was coming from Eastern Ukraine, rather than Russia from the west.
Today Putin was spotted at a church, likely for a confession about flight MH17.
Russian Rebels are trying to claim the bodies that fell from the wreckage as it came down in pieces were "Days old, drained of blood and already decomposing".
Russians are guilty.
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Russian Rebels tweeted "We told you not to fly in our airspace" or something similar the second the plane went down. Minutes later after it was released MH17 was downed, the tweet disappeared.
Russian Rebels have been spotted with BUK missile launchers that as old as they are, are incredibly accurate and a well done piece of engineering.
Because of the flight direction, to Russian Rebels it would look as though the plane was coming from Eastern Ukraine, rather than Russia from the west.
Today Putin was spotted at a church, likely for a confession about flight MH17.
Russian Rebels are trying to claim the bodies that fell from the wreckage as it came down in pieces were "Days old, drained of blood and already decomposing".
Russians are guilty.
:rofl:
I hope this is just troll post like that topic... otherwise :janek:
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go return those 200 euros u owe
that answer was brilliant.
Nothing will happen, everyone is too afraid to move.
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On topic though, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned earlier but there's a theory that this airplane could have been the same MA plane that went missing last time.
False. The missing one's registration was 9M-MRO. This one was 9M-MRD (also the one you've seen around the internet uploaded by Dutch guy saying "If it disappears, this is what it looks like" is also not the one shot down. It's 9M-MRC and not 9M-MRD.
Another theory I'm sure hasn't been mentioned here and will sound very stupid at first sight is that the plane may have been filled with nothing but corpses because as far I as am aware, there still have not been any official records on the passengers on board of the plane and as far as I take it, the main purpose of this shoot down was to get the airplane to crash on Russian soil which, unfortunately enough for the perpetrators, did not happen.
You're right, it sure sounds very stupid. There will always be theories and many mysteries but all we have now is wait for the investigation and legit proofs.
Personally I think you can't just blame Russia without a clear evidence of them commiting such crime, nor can you blame the other.
Media will always exaggerate and make their own stories up. Don't always stupidly trust the media, trust the facts.
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I'm not saying anything, but on Polish news, they gave us to hear some contact with the Russian Army General and some other guy, The R.A.G. said "This is war kurwa"
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Have a bit of respect. If I have to clear out shit similar to what I just have there will be more than warnings coming your way.
If you can not debate without personal attacks you are not welcome to use this board.
Do not post images not related to the topic.
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195 Dutch victims.. One friend of mine.. Terrible terrible accident...
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And don't be too sure evil Russians took down that plane ;)
It wasn't Russians who took down the plane. It was Ukrainians who are supported and funded by the Russian government.
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It wasn't Russians who took down the plane. It was Ukrainians who are supported and funded by the Russian government.
Exactly. The plane had permission to fly above 5km's. They were flying 10km's high. The ukrainians thought it was a cargo plane transporting spies.
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It wasn't Russians who took down the plane. It was Ukrainians who are supported and funded by the Russian government.
Just like those snipers shooting down civilians in Kyiv town square were funded by Russians.. or it was otherside and blackwater merccenaries?
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The thing is: There is only a minority of Ukrainians in those "republics" government. So they shouldnt be called as "Ukrainians" just because action goes in territory of Ukraine. So makes people confuse and think its Ukrainians the badasses.
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It wasn't Russians who took down the plane. It was Ukrainians who are supported and funded by the Russian government.
You know this for sure? You were there, you got informations, papers, documents of it?
This goes for alot of people on this topic, you are mixing things here. The pro-russian rebels(among who there is a LARGE number of Ukrainians) are people who are fighting for freedom, they don't want to live in a NATO country, would any of you Americans/British/Netherland/Sweden/etc people accept the fact, that Russia made a illegal strike with few thousands people in your country and are forcing them to become a USSR country? Of course not the whole western world would moan for you and your country, well the pro-russian rebels are doing exactly that, and if you don't accept their legitimize fight for it, you're being a total utter biased and retarded hypocrit.
Cause that's what NATO/USA are doing right now in Ukraine. You people speak about 'bad boys Russians' how they wanna dominate and conquer their surrounding countries, while the fact is that NATO/USA is doing that to the Ukraine right now. And this people don't want to live in a such country.
Let me remind you one more time, that the central Government in Ukraine wasn't elected, it wasn't choosed by Ukrainine people, it was forced by an angry mob at Maidan who was made by western itelligence agency, mob of 5-6k people not few millions like it usually happens in revolutions, in a country of 40millions people!? So 5k people elected the new Government in Ukraine! That's whats happening here.
Also, its not any country we are talking about, its Ukraine, the birthplace of Russia! Its like Virgina to USA.
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You know this for sure? You were there, you got informations, papers, documents of it?
This goes for alot of people on this topic, you are mixing things here. The pro-russian rebels(among who there is a LARGE number of Ukrainians) are people who are fighting for freedom, they don't want to live in a NATO country, would any of you Americans/British/Netherland/Sweden/etc people accept the fact, that Russia made a illegal strike with few thousands people in your country and are forcing them to become a USSR country? Of course not the whole western world would moan for you and your country, well the pro-russian rebels are doing exactly that, and if you don't accept their legitimize fight for it, you're being a total utter biased and retarded hypocrit.
Cause that's what NATO/USA are doing right now in Ukraine. You people speak about 'bad boys Russians' how they wanna dominate and conquer their surrounding countries, while the fact is that NATO/USA is doing that to the Ukraine right now. And this people don't want to live in a such country.
Let me remind you one more time, that the central Government in Ukraine wasn't elected, it wasn't choosed by Ukrainine people, it was forced by an angry mob at Maidan who was made by western itelligence agency, mob of 5-6k people not few millions like it usually happens in revolutions, in a country of 40millions people!? So 5k people elected the new Government in Ukraine! That's whats happening here.
Also, its not any country we are talking about, its Ukraine, the birthplace of Russia! Its like Virgina to USA.
First, do you have any proofs of actual US intelligence behind Maidan. Also Maidan is already done and Ukraine has a legitimate government chosen by the Ukrainian people.
Also if you think those people in east Ukraine has a right for their freedom from the rest of the Ukraine, you also have to accept that people in Kosovo has the right to freedom from Serbia.
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You know this for sure? You were there, you got informations, papers, documents of it?
No but I can use my common sense to work it out from the information I've been given. Countries have been trying to access the site to investigate and have had trouble from the Ukrainian rebel forces there, most of who show little respect for the scene. The Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system which is the one authorities believe shot down the plane, was developed by the Soviet Union and what I can take from that is that the rebels were given it to shoot down Ukrainian military aircraft by the RF.
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First, do you have any proofs of actual US intelligence behind Maidan. Also Maidan is already done and Ukraine has a legitimate government chosen by the Ukrainian people.
Also if you think those people in east Ukraine has a right for their freedom from the rest of the Ukraine, you also have to accept that people in Kosovo has the right to freedom from Serbia.
But it started with Kosovo and now it's not legitimate if another region wants to split? How so? EU is so hypocritical and has double standards but still manage to s*it around what is right and what is not.
As you brought Kosovo, same goes for Kurdistan, Catalonia, Basque, Texas, Venetia etc.
About US intelligence behind Maidan, didn't Angela Merkel herself told behind sniper shootouts were people working for pro-EU government? I doubt Ukrainians would shoot Ukrainians, I would go for foreign mercenaries shooting Ukrainian civilians? Why was Joseph Biden present on Maidan?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4W-8qNnD0
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First, do you have any proofs of actual US intelligence behind Maidan. Also Maidan is already done and Ukraine has a legitimate government chosen by the Ukrainian people.
1.Yes, all the groups who organised Madian are/were sponzord by mostly USA non-government organizations, mostly lead by George Soros.
2. Ukraine still doesn't have a legitimate government chosed by Ukrainian people. They formed a Government from the old Parlament, the one who supported the old Government, it has no legimity.
Also if you think those people in east Ukraine has a right for their freedom from the rest of the Ukraine, you also have to accept that people in Kosovo has the right to freedom from Serbia.
And Serbians in Croatia and Bosnia has the right to freedom as well. Right? Saw how double standards work there.
There's a thing call territorial integrity and sovergny, and in the same time there's a thing called Right to self-determination.
Both of them are valid by international law although they exclude each others. Its a matter of critera, conditions and such.
Also for future debate, lets avoid giving any comparison with other situations isn't the same, although they got similar ethnic any other factors.
Jubin you're a smart and well educated fella, but you got that classic well known baltic complex issues of Russians, which drags you into being one sided at all time, and blurs your intelligent and educated personality.
I'm not asking you, nor expect from you to be Russian sided in this, nor in any other, all Im asking you to do is use your intelligence and your own mind when making conclusions, not what the mass media or biased education or biased general opinion tells you to:
Like I've said on some other topic "follow the interest", just ask yourself the question, who has the biggest interested in this that happen, Putin and Russia who are trying to put pressure down and make a better picture with Olympics, BRICS, future WC, not sending Russian Army in Ukraine even while Russian people are dying( Ask yourself what would Americans do ? But honestly answer yourself. I mean look what Israel did for few of their citizens, 400 Palestinians died till now), or the Americans who are losing fast in global geo-policy, they're losing their partners in economy, EU is step by step turning away from USA(And Im talking about Italy, Germany, France mostly)?
It may look like I'm all about Russia, but to be honest I'm not big of a fan myself, I respect and like Putin as one o the greatest leaders in the last 50 years, just like Castro or Gadaffi. Leaders of the free world, and I'm against the neo liberalistic imperialism who ever is doing it, and the ones who starts war when ever they want to expand their interests in the last 50 years was the USA.
Not the people of USA, not even the government of USA, yet the people ruining the USA.
If this was done by Russia, I would take a huge piss on them, or any other country who's doing that.
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1.Yes, all the groups who organised Madian are/were sponzord by mostly USA non-government organizations, mostly lead by George Soros.
2. Ukraine still doesn't have a legitimate government chosed by Ukrainian people. They formed a Government from the old Parlament, the one who supported the old Government, it has no legimity.
1. Sources? 2.So they formed the government from the old Pro-Russian government? That doesn't seem correct.
And Serbians in Croatia and Bosnia has the right to freedom as well. Right? Saw how double standards work there.
There's a thing call territorial integrity and sovergny, and in the same time there's a thing called Right to self-determination.
Both of them are valid by international law although they exclude each others. Its a matter of critera, conditions and such.
Also for future debate, lets avoid giving any comparison with other situations isn't the same, although they got similar ethnic any other factors.
Exactly my point. Territorial integrity is violated and it is not Ukraine who has gained land in this situation.
Cofi I have as much Baltic complex with Russians as you do Serbian complex with Americans.
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1. Sources? 2.So they formed the government from the old Pro-Russian government? That doesn't seem correct.
Lol ofc it seems correct, it happen in most east european countries that went trough transition. Old communist bastards became democratic liberals during night, nationalist beome cosmopolitan, they are politicians bro, they switch sides and ideology when ever it suits them better.
Every person from Balkan, or East Europe will confirm this.
Exactly my point. Territorial integrity is violated and it is not Ukraine who has gained land in this situation.
But you need to know the entire history of Ukraine, the way it was formed during Communism, the conditions under which it was allowed to be a separated country etc. Territorial integrity was violated, but after a overthrow done by 3-5k people, among who the most radical part is the ultra-nazi movement, who are well know and famous for their actions. The minority people who are watching all of that happening, and feeling afraid from the obviously pro-NATO but in the same time pro-nazi government took things into their hands to protect their people from going through the same Nazi shit they went 60 years ago. Specially after the things that was done by those nazi movements in Odessa.
Cofi I have as much Baltic complex with Russians as you do Serbian complex with Americans.
I don't have a complex issue with Americans, I dont have them, I got lots of friends, I like most of its culture, I wear NIKE and watch HBO. Can you say the same about you and Russian culture, friends, products etc?
I'll always speak loud about this aggressive corporative imperialism that's been going on by the USA last 60 years, cause of which so many wars, deaths, crises and what not happen in the world, Russia with all their problems and flaws aren't the one doing that, right now they are defending their backyard, lands inhabit by Russians lands where Russia was formed, and are actually trough Ukraine under attack. Do I have sympathy for them and Ukrainian people? Yes I do, just like I have sympathy for Lyibian, Iranian, Iraqis, Korean, Yugoslav, Cuban, etc.
Did you answer on my questions about "follow the interest" to yourself? You don't need to share the answers here, I'm just interested did you answer yourself in a objective as possible, honest kind of way.
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Forces of (http://www.michellehenry.fr/ukraine_flag.jpg) regained control of ~ 1/4 of city of Luhansk.
~1,5 kilometers to city hall / city centre left. Anyway , even if Ukraine took Luhansk , the "republic of Luhansk" will still survive ,because government fled the city already and will change their HQ to somewhere else. Only militants left in Luhansk.
Fully regained control of city of Rubizhne and Vojevodivka
Sources.
@ http://liveuamap.com (http://liveuamap.com)
@ https://twitter.com/liveuamap (https://twitter.com/liveuamap)
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Lol ofc it seems correct, it happen in most east european countries that went trough transition. Old communist bastards became democratic liberals during night, nationalist beome cosmopolitan, they are politicians bro, they switch sides and ideology when ever it suits them better.
Every person from Balkan, or East Europe will confirm this.
You're right, but you are talking about events that happened 20+ years ago not last government.
But you need to know the entire history of Ukraine, the way it was formed during Communism, the conditions under which it was allowed to be a separated country etc. Territorial integrity was violated, but after a overthrow done by 3-5k people, among who the most radical part is the ultra-nazi movement, who are well know and famous for their actions. The minority people who are watching all of that happening, and feeling afraid from the obviously pro-NATO but in the same time pro-nazi government took things into their hands to protect their people from going through the same Nazi shit they went 60 years ago. Specially after the things that was done by those nazi movements in Odessa.
Why would minority people be afraid of NATO? In which NATO countries are minorities being discriminated. Which makes you say that the current government is pro-nazi? Because first law they went trough with was, that the only official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian?
I don't have a complex issue with Americans, I dont have them, I got lots of friends, I like most of its culture, I wear NIKE and watch HBO. Can you say the same about you and Russian culture, friends, products etc?
Yup. I am no Rytuklis for god sakes.
I'll always speak loud about this aggressive corporative imperialism that's been going on by the USA last 60 years, cause of which so many wars, deaths, crises and what not happen in the world, Russia with all their problems and flaws aren't the one doing that, right now they are defending their backyard, lands inhabit by Russians lands where Russia was formed, and are actually trough Ukraine under attack.
That "backyard" of Russia is worrying me.
PS: Now leaving this topic.
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The investigation has barely started and everyone is pointing fingers already, proves surge after just a few hours after the crash, the US claims to have proves but as usual we don't see any of them. :rolleyes:
Very cute.
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As everyone seems to blame each other for no freaking reason, I am gonna blame an alliance between Cems and Gulucan, I know they were not there, but yeah ... you can blame anyone nowadays.
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As everyone seems to blame each other for no freaking reason
What do you mean no reason? I have sufficient evidence to believe it was a Ukrainian separatist which fired the rocket that was provided by Russia.
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Can we just wait for the official investigation, rather than saying you hold 'evidence' whom did this disgusting act. We have to wait for the official investigation to end, if the 'evidence' still not has been removed by the separatist.
I mean, being an FBI-member in SA:MP does not make you FBI in real life! Lol sorry <3.
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Anyway. About BUK Missiles.
We all know, thats only Russia could provide it ,because Ukraine didnt reported any stolen, (it cant be some old grandpa holding one in his garage for 20 years and waiting for separatists to come and they be like) :
- Hai grandpa can u borrow us this BUK for a day?
Well , jokes out.
If they didnt did shot it with BUK , why should they start moving it back to Russia? If for example they didnt shot it with BUK/didnt shot it at all , so why should they start making suspicion ,when moves them back to Russian border?
Hope this war will end as soon as possible.
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Let me remind you one more time, that the central Government in Ukraine wasn't elected, it wasn't choosed by Ukrainine people, it was forced by an angry mob at Maidan who was made by western itelligence agency, mob of 5-6k people not few millions like it usually happens in revolutions, in a country of 40millions people!? So 5k people elected the new Government in Ukraine! That's whats happening here.
Same old bullshit, I see Putins propaganda campaign got to you too well. Not a surprise, to be honest, if I was fed shit via the television all over again I'd probably start believing it too. Happily I dont watch it that often. People gathered in Maidan because they didn't want to end up sold out to Russia by Belarus, where Lukashenko pretty much sold out his country. Belarus no longer speaks Belarussian. Like 90 percent of it speaks Russian now, the country'\s in terrible economical shape and under all economical statuses, it's considered third world. Ukraine didn't want to end up like that, and Yanukovich was leading the country exactly to that direction. Yes, under the revolt a temporary government took place, and that's how it happens everywhere under revolutions, same happened in Lithuania after both declarations of independance - temporary government took place until proper elections were organised. So stop spreading that bullshit, nobody's gonna fall for that. Every part of Ukraine that's Ukrainian, and not Russian populated, supports Kiev.
Can we just wait for the official investigation, rather than saying you hold 'evidence' whom did this disgusting act. We have to wait for the official investigation to end, if the 'evidence' still not has been removed by the separatist.
I mean, being an FBI-member in SA:MP does not make you FBI in real life! Lol sorry <3.
No point. The investigation will most likely be biased anyways. If it's ever even gonna end, since i heard the seperatists took the bodies to train wagons and stole valuable items on the crash site.
I don't have a complex issue with Americans, I dont have them, I got lots of friends, I like most of its culture, I wear NIKE and watch HBO. Can you say the same about you and Russian culture, friends, products etc?
Yup. I am no Rytuklis for god sakes.
What the f**k's that supposed to mean? Let me tell ya what - if you judge your feelings towards a certain country by the merchandise you have, well, let me surprise you - I have a Soviet DELTA moped in my garage and I'd prefer it over my scooter any time if it could be registered to drive in traffic, but sadly it can't, since I don't have the documents for it, my dream car is Russia VAZ 2101, I have three vintage Soviet mechanical alarm clocks, one of which I use today and I prefer it over any of these modern day craps, I buy Russian ice cream in shops because I find them the most tasty. You realise how idiotic your statement is? I have more Russian friends than American ones, I also was to Russia during a certain event and I loved the people there, we got along very well. I also can pretty fluently speak Russian.. And I learned it BY MYSELF, because I liked the language. So saying I'm biased against Russia is bullshit. Let me tell ya what - I like their policies on certain things, such as the homosexual issue. Fine - be whoever you want, but there's no need to advertise yourself. As one of our politicians said - what happens in your bed is your own problem, nobody cares, really. Exactly! But I'm pretty much facing the facts instead of being your typical "HOLY SHIT EU USA CONSPIRACY OMG OMG OMG OMG YOU EU BRAINWASHED MORON BLAH BLAH". For your information, I am against EU, and I always thought that it would be best for Lithuania to leave EU, NATO and ally with the Scandinavians instead, since these countries have brains to stick their noses to their own bussineses. However, I can't ignore the facts and the evidence I'm provided with. From the photo uploaded by the Donetsk Peoples Republic on Twitter, showing off their BUK systems and then deleting that post soon after the plane was shot down, to the fact that there's an actual radio chatter intercepted by the Ukrainian intelligence between two seperatists after investigating the crash site. The obvious thing is that Russians provided the rebels with BUK, and what I believe - to get rid of them. Basically they knew that the rebels wouldn't be smart enough to use the system properly, and they knew they would screw up, by which Russia would have an opportunity to seperate themselves from the rebels.
Oh, and I used to listen to Russian press, but I don't anymore, since it shits on everyone who opposes them, since it knows no other way.. This is ridicullous:
Now, speaking of Americans in this topic, please, shut up. You're really nobody to blame anyone here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYyvpGmxZUI
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it was merica!! they send UFO and aliens there and and they tow the plane and then it throw on ground and go back up and drone shots it and FBI was there and stole evidence!!
On a serious note, welcome to 21th century. Humans are still killing eachother and can't even live together.
Look at how many wars are happening, Israel, Palestine, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq...
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I understand though, it's in the nature of every proud Lithuanian EU citizen to blame the evil Russians for anything that goes on on the planet.
Gimme a break. Just because we are lithuanians , doesnt mean we are not right on this just because our country aint some 1/2 of Europe continent. You just think , just because US aint telling nothing , means no country can. Lithuanians dont need to be no EU members to know their history with Russia. We blame Russians just because to make the world awake ,because Baltics knows really way more ,who russians really are ,and what they`re going to do, than the rest of the world.
You guys think , just because Rytuklis is speaking louder and more effective than you hes wrong. Thats false. He actually is a man you should learn from about the world. This world aint some Hello Kitty planet. Westerners dont even actually know , what Russia is , just that they had winter olympics, is a big country ,their president is some Put-In , and russians doesnt like USA
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Gimme a break. Just because we are lithuanians , doesnt mean we are not right on this just because our country aint some 1/2 of Europe continent. You just think , just because US aint telling nothing , means no country can. Lithuanians dont need to be no EU members to know their history with Russia. We blame Russians just because to make the world awake ,because Baltics knows really way more ,who russians really are ,and what they`re going to do, than the rest of the world.
Indeed, the anti-russian mood in the Baltics is Russia's fault. Throughout our entire history they're known for nothing else but agression towards their neighbours, especially the Baltics. From the times of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Livonia to modern-day, though, today, their agression is expressed by shitting on us with their press. Our relations, atleast with Lithuania, could have been much better if they wouldn't have backstabbed us. Lithuania and Russia had signed a mutual aid treaty under which they aided each other in battle, and Russia became our great ally against Poland. Too bad they decided to be dicks as they always were. So don't be surprised with how upset we are with Russia.
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Rytuklis, you're fucked up man, you've got no clue what are you talking about, changing your facts in every new post. :lol:
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Rytuklis, you're f**ked up man, you've got no clue what are you talking about, changing your facts in every new post. :lol:
Your warning status, and this post, begs to differ about who's more fucked up, me or you.
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Your warning status, and this post, begs to differ about who's more f**ked up, me or you.
Lol I've had more warnings on the forum than you ever had in game, so that's nothing to be worried about... But sure, go change subject once more :)
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Lol I've had more warnings on the forum
That just supports my point..
But sure, go change subject once more :)
Malaysia airliner crashes in east Ukraine near Russia border
Rytuklis, you're f**ked up man
Oh the irony.
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Can we just wait for the official investigation, rather than saying you hold 'evidence' whom did this disgusting act. We have to wait for the official investigation to end, if the 'evidence' still not has been removed by the separatist.
I mean, being an FBI-member in SA:MP does not make you FBI in real life! Lol sorry <3.
It's not FBI leading this investigation, it's Dutch officials seen as the majority of lost life comes from the Netherlands. And that said "official investigation" may never materialise if international agencies aren't given access to the crash site and if the evidence has been tampered with or removed. I've already given my opinion on those responsible, Ukrainian rebels supported by Russia, and why I think that.
I can use my common sense to work it out from the information I've been given. Countries have been trying to access the site to investigate and have had trouble from the Ukrainian rebel forces there, most of who show little respect for the scene. The Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system which is the one authorities believe shot down the plane, was developed by the Soviet Union and what I can take from that is that the rebels were given it to shoot down Ukrainian military aircraft by the RF.
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Let me tell ya what - I like their policies on certain things, such as the homosexual issue. Fine - be whoever you want, but there's no need to advertise yourself. As one of our politicians said - what happens in your bed is your own problem, nobody cares, really. Exactly!
That's only because you did never accept yourself and the fact you are bisexual yourself. As someone of 'your kind' I do not get why you support Russia in that particular situation, as they actually BANNED education about homosexuality towards younger kids. That's not the same as 'be whoever you want'. Okay, I agree you should not teach kids to be gay, but explaining them it's okay, should be okay.
Now, speaking of Americans in this topic, please, shut up. You're really nobody to blame anyone here.
Please mind the 1988 mark, we were in a different situation back then, you was not even there, so why do you even judge?
Same old bullshit, I see Putins propaganda campaign got to you too well. Not a surprise, to be honest, if I was fed shit via the television all over again I'd probably start believing it too.
You really think Cofiliano is that ignorant to believe of all it? I've listened to some of his explainations which MAKES SENSE, unlike yours. Apparently you seem to switch sides in order which one people will respect you more in. I'm sorry hun, but that's not how you make friends.
Your warning status, and this post, begs to differ about who's more f**ked up, me or you.
Your signature, and this post, begs to differ about who's more fucked up; me, you or him.
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That's only because you did never accept yourself and the fact you are bisexual yourself. As someone of 'your kind' I do not get why you support Russia in that particular situation
Because Russia has brains. I see no reason to promote who I am and to propagate what I like or what I do not like. As one of our politicians said - "What stays in your bed should stay in your bed, no need to yell it outloud, nobody cares". I might be that, yes, but I don't go marching in the streets, I don't participate in prides, because there's no need yell "HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT WITH ME" and we don't see straight people doing that either, neither do I go around in a video gaming community yapping about my sexual orientation to get attention, unlike some of the people in this community "cough cough", because it's my own personal thing and only a few very well known friends shall know that. Atleast I wanted to keep it that way, but you just had to open your mouth. Big f**king thanks, great job indeed.
Please mind the 1988 mark, we were in a different situation back then, you was not even there, so why do you even judge?
Yes, sure, because when America does it, it's okay, when Russians do it, it's not. I despise Russia for what it did, if it was Russia after all since this situation is yet a mystery. But please explain me - why United Sates confusing a passenger plane with a military plane was okay in 1988, but Russian seperatists confusing a passenger plane with a military plane in 2014 is not ? Double standarts, that's why.
Apparently you seem to switch sides in order which one people will respect you more in. I'm sorry hun, but that's not how you make friends.
I'm not taking sides, I'm not being ignorant to obvious facts, which so far point to Putin and his friends in Eastern Ukraine. If any convincing evidence appears that Ukraine has shot down the plane, my support for Ukraine will cease.
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I don't participate in prides, because there's no need yell "HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT WITH ME"
That's implying there is something wrong with gay people. :uhm:
All participants on this topic should refrain from making personal attacks against each other as it does not advance your argument at all and there's no need for it.
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Indeed, the anti-russian mood in the Baltics is Russia's fault. Throughout our entire history they're known for nothing else but agression towards their neighbours, especially the Baltics. From the times of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Livonia to modern-day, though, today, their agression is expressed by shitting on us with their press. Our relations, atleast with Lithuania, could have been much better if they wouldn't have backstabbed us. Lithuania and Russia had signed a mutual aid treaty under which they aided each other in battle, and Russia became our great ally against Poland. Too bad they decided to be dicks as they always were. So don't be surprised with how upset we are with Russia.
Too bad we decided to be dicks and give you infrastructure, money, free education, free health care, 8hour work day, and a suitable future.
It's hard to see where exactly Russia was aggressive towards Latvians as a nation. If you will remember correctly - Livonia was a kingdom created by German crusaders and does not represent Latvian nation as a whole. First independence was given to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia by Lenin, by the Soviet Union. Everyone suffered the consequences of war, everyone and all the countries in Europe. ''Too bad we decided to be dicks.''
Too bad you decided to feel like a special snowflake and whine louder than other instead of doing something constructive.
Too bad that you decided to live in the past and in the worst possible moments.
Too bad that we suffered the as much as anyone else, too bad that we have no one to blame. Too bad, that we just swallow it and just keep going on, too bad, too bad.
Oh and if you believe that Russia did the same with the separatists, well, better 250 people than 1 million, right?
Condolences for the fallen.
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First independence was given to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia by Lenin, by the Soviet Union.
False , 1st only to Latvia and Estonia. Lithuania had its country ages ago.
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False , 1st only to Latvia and Estonia. Lithuania had its country ages ago.
Not really, he's talking about 1918. Still, his statement is kind of absurd.
If you will remember correctly - Livonia was a kingdom created by German crusaders and does not represent Latvian nation as a whole.
Still, the people that lived there were mostly Latvians, only Germanised, its situation was like Lithuanians in Rzežospolita Polsko Litewska - Lithuanians considered themselves Lithuanians, but spoke Polish.
First independence was given to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia by Lenin, by the Soviet Union.
Lol wut. At the time Lithuania became a free republic, Soviet Union wasnt even a thing yet, and USSR recognized Lithuania's independence only after Lithuania won the war against the Soviet Union and a mutual aid treaty was signed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian%E2%80%93Soviet_War). So your statement is as false as it can get.
Too bad we decided to be dicks and give you infrastructure, money, free education, free health care, 8hour work day, and a suitable future.
Yea, right. Before Soviet Union came, under Smetona's rule, Lithuania had a better economy than most European states, while the consequences of the disaster of an economy that Soviets brought to us can still be felt today. Not to mention our entire agricultural system destroyed. We didn't ask for your help. At the time you guys started interfering, Lithuania was hardly even twenty years old, we didn't have stuff developed yet, that's true, but if you wouldn't have ruined our entire country, it would probably be in the same economical situation as the Scandinavians. The fact that Lithuanians had the longest lasting resistance war in Europe against USSR pretty much shows how we felt about your government being forced on us.
That's implying there is something wrong with gay people. :uhm:
I have a right to my opinion.
Oh and if you believe that Russia did the same with the separatists, well, better 250 people than 1 million, right?
I think I get what you mean, but I'm not that sure. Might you elaborate?
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First independence was given to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia by Lenin, by the Soviet Union.
False , 1st only to Latvia and Estonia. Lithuania had its country ages ago.
I know I said that I will be out of this topic, but this preposterous claim brought me back. So this is what is taught to you? What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Independence ?
Also this is getting way too derailed.
My condolences to the families of this big tragedy.
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I know I said that I will be out of this topic, but this preposterous claim brought me back. So this is what is taught to you? What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Independence ?
No, this is not what we're taught, I've no idea where he got that statement from, as I said:
Lol wut. At the time Lithuania became a free republic, Soviet Union wasnt even a thing yet, and USSR recognized Lithuania's independence only after Lithuania won the war against the Soviet Union and a mutual aid treaty was signed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian%E2%80%93Soviet_War). So your statement is as false as it can get.
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That's exactly what I was saying:
Yes, sure, because when America does it, it's okay, when Russians do it, it's not. I despise Russia for what it did, if it was Russia after all since this situation is yet a mystery. But please explain me - why United Sates confusing a passenger plane with a military plane was okay in 1988, but Russian seperatists confusing a passenger plane with a military plane in 2014 is not ? Double standarts, that's why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf_p4lYSUW8
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I haven't laughed in that long!!!!
Russian propaganda machine strikes once again, this time with an epicly hilarious statement.
According to Russian media, this whole Ukraine thing is a conspiracy made by Poland and Lithuania. Lithuania and Poland are planning to invade Ukraine and to re-establish the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Really? Is that how desperate the Russian media can get?
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That's exactly what I was saying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf_p4lYSUW8
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I haven't laughed in that long!!!!
Russian propaganda machine strikes once again, this time with an epicly hilarious statement.
According to Russian media, this whole Ukraine thing is a conspiracy made by Poland and Lithuania. Lithuania and Poland are planning to invade Ukraine and to re-establish the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Really? Is that how desperate the Russian media can get?
Apocalypse! :gand:
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That's exactly what I was saying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf_p4lYSUW8
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I haven't laughed in that long!!!!
Russian propaganda machine strikes once again, this time with an epicly hilarious statement.
According to Russian media, this whole Ukraine thing is a conspiracy made by Poland and Lithuania. Lithuania and Poland are planning to invade Ukraine and to re-establish the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Really? Is that how desperate the Russian media can get?
Cool , soon we`re going to be a big country ,yay :rofl:
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The IQ of you people is definitely in single digits.
No f**king respect.
Also don't point fingers at people to blame, as there is no solid proof of either side just accusations.
I as everyone else just want justice for the people who have to now live without their loved ones.
RIP to everyone involved, and thoughts and prayers go to the families.
NOTE: Also don't bring in stuff from the past, as the topic states, this is about the Malaysia Airliner, not a politic discussion board.
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The IQ of you people is definitely in single digits.
No f**king respect.
Also don't point fingers at people to blame, as there is no solid proof of either side just accusations.
I as everyone else just want justice for the people who have to now live without their loved ones.
RIP to everyone involved, and thoughts and prayers go to the families.
NOTE: Also don't bring in stuff from the past, as the topic states, this is about the Malaysia Airliner, not a politic discussion board.
I completely agree with Luca.
On the side note, another plane recently crashed down during emergency landing, at least 51 dead.
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According to liveuamap.com two other Ukrainian fighter jets were shot down today, pretty much in the same region
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(ENGLISH:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eok2sWgMcV4
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And that's why you never should fly over a freaking war zone.....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8p-2PqpIyA
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Watched the livestream of the ceremony at the airport today, sad...
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The IQ of you people is definitely in single digits.
No f**king respect.
Also don't point fingers at people to blame, as there is no solid proof of either side just accusations.
I as everyone else just want justice for the people who have to now live without their loved ones.
RIP to everyone involved, and thoughts and prayers go to the families.
NOTE: Also don't bring in stuff from the past, as the topic states, this is about the Malaysia Airliner, not a politic discussion board.
I'm sorry *bow* I suddenly 'decided to be a dick.' won't happen again, sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB7xs7UpIfY
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317
http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814