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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 07:12:05 pm

Title: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 07:12:05 pm
We all know how bad the situation is ... at this moment we are arround the usual time when most of the players are online ... and the member count is 15 ... I mean just focus on that number ... 15! A community running since 2006(right?) Has one of its server which had arround 100 players online arround this time dropped to 15 ... I mean seriously, that's even less than my age!

Take this as a whine, take this as an offencive post, take this as you like. We all have to find a way to fix this. No I am not blaming the scripters, nor the administrations, nor the Owners ... and no this is not on the players either. There are like 4 teams of people in this server ... They are all part of two big ones: Players , Administration. THose four teams have highly failled to communicate, whose mistake that it? I do not care and nobody should. We have today, and we can make tomorrow a better place, let's just start "teamworking" and find a way to solve our problem, coz this is a fucking huge one.

Aww and to the ones saying that the member count is not a problem, well it is! Let's say that there are 5 members of GSF online atm, what makes you think that the other 10 are enough to make a proper RP? WE need medics , police officers ,taxi driver , mechanics, civilians and so on, we need some people at each position out there, Coz if most of the positions are not filled, then the RP scenarios have to either climb the walls, or stop and simply look at them...
And don't tell me that you've never stopped an RP because there is no one abled to RP a medic, or a doctor... Or that you've never bunnyhopped like 1/10 of the width of the map just to get a vehicle, where you could just call for a taxi...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: eymas on September 11, 2014, 07:20:41 pm
I think you forgot your question.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 07:23:19 pm
Well ... it is simple, how will we repair this?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: eslams on September 11, 2014, 07:36:49 pm
Well ... it is simple, how will we repair this?
/ad the server (faceBook-SAMP-.........etc) ?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 07:39:59 pm
Why would a new player join a server with 20 players online at its peak? I know I wouldn't ... atleast not in this game, where there are servers with more than 300 players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 11, 2014, 07:42:38 pm
/ad the server (faceBook-SAMP-.........etc) ?

Advertising really ? Don't get me wrong, but before advertising something, why don't we figure out what's wrong with it first, because as offensive as it may sound as Kostas said, the SA:MP server dropped its active members heavly and I am one of those members as well, I've already shared my opinion on to way, the thing is the person that can assist us with that is AWOL for yet another unknown reason.

As well not all of those players left the community, they simply left the SA:MP server, because as far as I saw when I last checked a month ago, we had average of 300 users online in a day.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Luca Man on September 11, 2014, 07:44:57 pm
Not to mention all other Argonath servers, where the countdown dropped drastically, like VC:MP, SA:MP Stunt and MTA:SA.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pandalink on September 11, 2014, 07:48:26 pm
They rebooted the script too near the end of the server's lifetime. RS3 was fine because it preceded a huge influx of players, and was a simple script that was welcoming to new players with lots of room for further development. Last time I checked RS5 still doesn't even have pay n' sprays available, which will drive potential new players away.

Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 07:49:16 pm
Just like they pretty much said ... we must find a way to repair the SAMP server ... and all of our servers if possible, or idk shut them down if needed? I mean seriously, why have a broken wheel on your car? Either repair it or change it... Don't get me wrong, but we got to repair our broken parts, and I don't mind taking this to community wide ...

I mean seriously, look at VC:MP ... From my knowledge the only servers raising/being stable is ArgoMC,IVMP,MTA:SA ...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 11, 2014, 08:12:46 pm
Here's whats wrong:

The leaders and scripters make rules and scripts based on what they like and feel comfortable with. Good ideas are almost always rejected with "Rp it", "Can be abused", "We aren't gonna copy another server" and of course "Argonath is not a democracy".

Leaders and scripters need to understand that this is a product. Players are the customers. If you don't give what the customers want, the customers will chose another product. Which is exactly what happened.

You spent years hyping about RS5, made extremely high expectations. The script itself looks like it was made in 2 weeks. Lets be real, it was buggy and unpleasing and unfinished after being released for so long.

If you really want to fix argonath right now, I suggest leaders either revert to RS4, or they hire scripters. Proper scripters to fix and develop nice scripts for RS5. If they don't wish to add money, I believe giving donator perks and getting donations from the server to help improve it isn't a bad idea.

One more thing the leaders need to realize is that if a Community is based on friendship, it falls apart. We can still stop this if leaders find and enforce the 'friendships' going on.

Thank you for listening.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Manoni on September 11, 2014, 08:14:18 pm
MTA:SA

Sadly no.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 08:16:51 pm
Well ... I do admit that even I myself would like some more democracy ... but as I said, all of the "teams" should start communicating and working together... Also you are right that the expectations set for RS5 were much higher than what happent, though I do not in any chance blame the scripters for that, I do not think that it is their mistake, they got told to do 1,2,3. and they did 1,2,3 with a few bugs, which they struggle to repair, but this isn't the only problem. The scripters count is what I find wrong, coz they are obviously not enough, and I've heard numerous times people within the community offering their service, we do not need paid guns, we need people who will fight for their "server"...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 11, 2014, 08:22:03 pm
RS5 didn't work out. Let's face it. Switch to RS4 please.
Just make tiny script updates and throw them in.
I don't even get why the ENTIRE script had to change. Why not make a better phone system, upgrade that. Then make a better job system and update that. You know, part by part. Much better that way.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 08:27:42 pm
RS5 didn't work out. Let's face it. Switch to RS4 please.
Just make tiny script updates and throw them in.
I don't even get why the ENTIRE script had to change. Why not make a better phone system, upgrade that. Then make a better job system and update that. You know, part by part. Much better that way.

Well as we were told, RS4 was rewriten many times in defferent ways, therefor modifying it was extremely difficult ... Switching to RS4 is not a case, I'd kindly request nto to turn this into an rs4 vs rs5 topic. We had plenty already and they didn't work out. We need to find a way to get the RS5 opperational and enjoyable so that we somehow can make our member count raise, and finally attract more people...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Klaus on September 11, 2014, 08:35:22 pm
I mean seriously, look at VC:MP ...
I mean seriously, you're a complete pleb. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 08:36:21 pm
I mean seriously, you're a complete pleb. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about.

Dude, I was talking in your defence...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Denis_Pro on September 11, 2014, 08:39:06 pm
Hope this trucker job script will bring more people back.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 08:40:55 pm
Well the trucker job is nice, saw many people doing it today, though i highly doubt it is going to make any actual change... Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong though! :D
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Zaila on September 11, 2014, 08:42:09 pm
You spent years hyping about RS5, made extremely high expectations. The script itself looks like it was made in 2 weeks. Lets be real, it was buggy and unpleasing and unfinished after being released for so long.
I agree with you, but you should also remember why we had to release it earlier than expected. If it would have been up to us, we would have wanted moer time before we released RS5 but it was out of our control.

Switch to RS4 please.
Wont happen.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Lustigkurre on September 11, 2014, 08:59:36 pm
The trucker script is a big step in the right direction. Now add flares too :)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Ethan. on September 11, 2014, 09:01:38 pm
The trucker script is a big step in the right direction. Now add flares too :)
True, love the new trucker script!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Jeremy. on September 11, 2014, 09:21:28 pm
The trucker script is a big step in the right direction.

Indeed.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: superh2o on September 11, 2014, 09:27:09 pm
IF you wanna hear a opinion of a SAMP newbie, when i first logged in i was confused by all different commands and options, that even with help of admins i couldn't do the things i want all the time, like in a RP i had to ask other players what commands to use to  do something.

In my opinion only problem is too much commands, maybe cut the command list down a bit?

I know its not as easy as to say shorten the commands list, but compared to IV:MP you guys have 200% more commands.

Don't know if this helps or if you agree, but take it as a opinion of a total newbie on SAMP.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 11, 2014, 09:54:20 pm
Well the thing is ... that unlike IVMP ... we have too many options here...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 11, 2014, 10:30:58 pm
Well the thing is ... that unlike IVMP ... we have too many options here...

The problem is not the the too many options, its the fact RS5 is over complicated, as we can all recall RS4/RS3 was rather simple and it was effective and while RS5 is way more advanced, but far too complicated.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Ethan. on September 11, 2014, 10:33:24 pm
The problem is not the the too many options, its the fact RS5 is over complicated, as we can all recall RS4/RS3 was rather simple and it was effective and while RS5 is way more advanced, but far too complicated.
I just wanna get my shamal back and do my stunts. I Miss /resetspawn
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 11, 2014, 10:44:26 pm
Please, RS5 is not complicated.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Whiteman on September 11, 2014, 10:46:15 pm
Please, RS5 is not complicated.

The best advertisement to increase our players amount is to get your own friends paying on Argonath, set something up, start a group or join a group together. Make a business together, help eachother out and make plans, contact your friends and invite them to Argonath, make your contacts count!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 11, 2014, 10:51:53 pm
Alot of the features were simplified as requested by players such being banking and player transactions with one another outside of the bank.  Most of the commands are relatively similar to what RS4 had not over complicated as it was when RS5 first launched the /help system is a work of art as it can point any newbie in the right direction.

Scripters are listening they wouldn't have removed some of the retarded stuff that was present at the beginning and have done quite a few fixes over the past months to improve playability.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 04:46:57 am
add up to date scripts using new samp features.

Also, since nobody's giving excuses about "copying other servers". I guess adding spike strips for SAPD Senior Officer + would be a good idea now.

Rank restriction is necessary. Such a tool will only be trouble with free cops.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: eslams on September 12, 2014, 06:04:32 am
add up to date scripts using new samp features.

Also, since nobody's giving excuses about "copying other servers". I guess adding spike strips for SAPD Senior Officer + would be a good idea now.

Rank restriction is necessary. Such a tool will only be trouble with free cops.
"Spike Strips"
Good Idea (SUPPORTED)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Manoni on September 12, 2014, 07:23:06 am
Bad idea. The last thing we need is another dozen of topics with people moaning about how the law enforcement gets too many advantages when it's about capturing/neutralizing suspects.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TiMoN on September 12, 2014, 07:31:37 am
Listen to player ideas, or at least approve some that you seem fit.

Also get the advertisement team to do something.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 07:54:41 am
Bad idea. The last thing we need is another dozen of topics with people moaning about how the law enforcement gets too many advantages when it's about capturing/neutralizing suspects.

We need to get rid of this attitude as well. Stop believing in the concept that cops and suspects have to be "equal". They're not 2 teams on a Team Death match. Cops are governments force to stop crime. They get a lot of advantages.

As an admin you should focus on explaining this to others. Tell forum moderators to deal with these topics and handle them.

By adding spike strips you can permanently remove the DB on sight rules. Cops should try to focus on spiking the guy. If after numerous attempts it fails a higher rank can grant permission to drive by. Or if the suspects have open end fire , the cop is permitted to drive by.

Such changes improve the roleplay aspect. This whole concept of not giving cops advantages is wrong. However to some extent I do agree that we don't need to make cops excessively powerful, which is easily neutralized by making sure cops don't db if they have spikes. If anybody breaks rules, we have a forum report on arpd available.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Manoni on September 12, 2014, 08:02:59 am
I've never said that I think that cops and suspects must be equal, we are not into it, specially because the server is not only about criminal organizations and law enforcement groups.

This have been discussed several times with everyone at forums and in game, yet people seems to fail to understand that these things are not equitative as it would lack of roleplay sense. Everyone wants things to be easier no matter on what side you are, that is why the arguing never ends.

I'm not aware of all the SAPD rules and regulations as I'm not really part of them but I think that they might be interested in this.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 08:17:55 am
I've never said that I think that cops and suspects must be equal, we are not into it, specially because the server is not only about criminal organizations and law enforcement groups.

This have been discussed several times with everyone at forums and in game, yet people seems to fail to understand that these things are not equitative as it would lack of roleplay sense. Everyone wants things to be easier no matter on what side you are, that is why the arguing never ends.

I'm not aware of all the SAPD rules and regulations as I'm not really part of them but I think that they might be interested in this.

I don't understand you at all. In your first post you clearly implied that cops should not get advantages over criminals. Now you say the exact opposite by saying what I said, that this server isn't just about cops and suspects.

Can you elaborate what you mean by "People seems to fail to understand that these things are not equitative as it would lack of roleplay sense." I don't understand what exactly you're trying to say here.

Your initial argument that cops need to be equal to suspects, obviously shouldn't be taken into consideration. Now that you agree that these two don't need to be equal, then what exactly is your argument against adding spike strips?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Whiteman on September 12, 2014, 08:28:24 am
This isn't the right topic for those arguments, please stay on its purpose. All I want to add is, that there will be something epic coming up which will for sure, increase our players rate, even if its just for a day ;)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 08:34:32 am
This isn't the right topic for those arguments, please stay on its purpose.

We're discussing whether spike strips will help improve the server scripts or not. Which was the purpose of the topic. I believe we need to add such scripts, and this fine admin has opposite arguments which we are discussing.

Don't know what you're on about but this is as relevant to the topic as it can be.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Whiteman on September 12, 2014, 08:37:00 am
We're discussing whether spike strips will help improve the server scripts or not. Which was the purpose of the topic. I believe we need to add such scripts, and this fine admin has opposite arguments which we are discussing.

Don't know what you're on about but this is as relevant to the topic as it can be.

Doesn't fit into my head how adding spikes can help to increase our players rate, when we even don't have sufficient amount of trained and organised officers who would use them. Using spikes requires a very good co-ordination and communication between the officers.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 08:40:23 am
Doesn't fit into my head how adding spikes can help to increase our players rate, when we even don't have sufficient amount of trained and organised officers who would use them. Using spikes requires a very good co-ordination and communication between the officers.

Spike strips today. New vehicle scripts tomorrow. New suspections script next week.
And a complete overhaul to the RS5 to make the script more appealing, less confusing and use the latest SA:MP available scripts to make the server what it was in RS4. That in whole will increase our players rate.
Unfortunately if you're looking for 1 red button to press to make the player count rise, it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Whiteman on September 12, 2014, 08:47:38 am
The best advertisement to increase our players amount is to get your own friends paying on Argonath, set something up, start a group or join a group together. Make a business together, help eachother out and make plans, contact your friends and invite them to Argonath, make your contacts count!

We have enough people playing, if all of them would invite two friends of theirs, it'd be good enough as it'll evolve, no need to blame the scripts as the scripts are being fixed consistently and new features are being added, all we need is a little community support.

Lost all your properties and money? Show the community that you're capable of doing that again, you are a badass drug lord like you were in RS4, build your way up again. It's the perfect opportunity to raise amongst the crowd and prove yourself once more, it'll state that you really are the man who you said you were in RS4 and thus will give you respect. Maybe you just got lucky, get lucky again, these features offer us more RP possibilities then ever before, you just need to think of something which never has been done before and what could be done with these new features, put yourself on a quest - grab your friends alongside you.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 08:51:38 am
We have enough people playing, if all of them would invite two friends of theirs, it'd be good enough as it'll evolve, no need to blame the scripts as the scripts are being fixed consistently and new features are being added, all we need is a little community support.

We really need to come out of this false concept that the scripts aren't the issue. Obviously RS5 has been the issue. It was released while it was still under development with bugs.
Why was there a 70-80% player drop between RS5 and RS4? What changed? It's so painfully obvious.
I'm being realistic here. If you're going to fix the issue, you need to understand what is causing the issue.

I know the scripts are being fixed and new features are being added. What we need to do is gather good ideas from the community and implement them into the existing script. So we can change the unappealing RS5 into something extraordinary like it was meant to be.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Shorty. on September 12, 2014, 11:02:46 am
Ya all are complaining about RS5 before its even realesed, if you guys need more players, you should help in even make this server more interesting by creating new groups or something, or you can record a video on youtube about the server..

In my opinion RS5 is good,  we just need two or three from RS4 system.. dice back, profit of business back.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 11:05:52 am
Ya all are complaining about RS5 before its even realesed, if you guys need more players, you should help in even make this server more interesting by creating new groups or something, or you can record a video on youtube about the server..

In my opinion RS5 is good,  we just need two or three from RS4 system.. dice back, profit of business back.

That's exactly what we're discussing. New stuff to bring to RS5 to make it better.
We need /dice. I was surprised why it ain't there. Ethan and I used to make different games with dice, and ya'll forgot the famous "2x" game argonath had. We need that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Hamza_Khan on September 12, 2014, 11:51:04 am


 dice back, profit of business back.
Yeah we really need business profit bug to be fixed !
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 12, 2014, 12:16:38 pm
Strongly against the spike strips script. Criminals will never be equal to cops but giving them spike strips is too much. I may be a criminal but I sometimes spend a lot of time as a cop.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 12:56:12 pm
Strongly against the spike strips script. Criminals will never be equal to cops but giving them spike strips is too much. I may be a criminal but I sometimes spend a lot of time as a cop.

And here we go with equality about the 2 groups. Did you even read any of the arguments above?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 12, 2014, 01:54:13 pm
Spikestrips won't be destructive as many people may think. Police enforcement is so disorganised,most of times they are unable set a car roadblock,what about spikestrip one. They have better tendency chase after suspect in straight lane while suspects vehicle is faster.
It would iniciate player interest,and wont be a bad deal,besides you can always remove it if it damages the server. But it won't increase player activity.
As about "get two friends of yours to play" .... I'm sorry not trying sound like an ass.hole but what exact material in Argonath we have to keep those friends entertained?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Bundy on September 12, 2014, 02:01:35 pm
As a full time criminal, I personally don't have anything against spike strips, probably brings more fun into escaping cops. ;)

But guys, there's lots of stuff in higher priority than spike strips. Think about PnS's, bizz profit bug, weapon restore bug. Don't you think?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 12, 2014, 02:19:38 pm
About the spikes ... I know that I probably am kinda biased even though I've been both an SAPD Officer and a Criminal in RS4 ... First of all, even now the two sides are not equal, why? Simply because the PD will always have the numbers, while the criminals won't. Adding a spike script is not a good idea, not only because it will outbalance it but also because they are hardly enough organised to put it to good use, so it will be wasted time of our scripters ... they could already set up road blocks at bridges, but they don't..

Unfortunatelly even though I do agree that slow change is the way up!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 12, 2014, 02:22:27 pm
About the spikes ... I know that I probably am kinda biased even though I've been both an SAPD Officer and a Criminal in RS4 ... First of all, even now the two sides are not equal, why? Simply because the PD will always have the numbers, while the criminals won't. Adding a spike script is not a good idea, not only because it will outbalance it but also because they are hardly enough organised to put it to good use, so it will be wasted time of our scripters ... they could already set up road blocks at bridges, but they don't..

Unfortunatelly even though I do agree that slow change is the way up!
There is no balance,you're criminal and your support is your fellow criminals. Police is goverment,and Police support is goverment. Besides it's easy to evade spike strips unless you decide head for SF/LS tunnel and end up surprised.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 12, 2014, 04:57:55 pm
One time I agree you with Chris.
Ain't no need to keep these 2 "balanced". This ain't no TDM server where 2 teams have to be equal.
This is a roleplay server. Mafia has access to various guns. You're lucky argonath is giving you access to Ammunation where you can buy any gun you like including armour.

If I make a roleplay server, ill ban ammunation for criminals since its not correct considering the realism. But argonath isn't a RL server so you're getting the ammunation.
Spike strips is a cool script.

Slowly we can keep suggesting nice ideas and improve RS5 as a whole!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 12, 2014, 05:03:51 pm
In my eyes it's over, needs to be said.. :janek:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 12, 2014, 09:15:36 pm
I see nothing wrong with scripts, players aren't willing to join because the scripters aren't listening to them.In my opinion the scripters are doing a great job and they should stick with what they are currently working on.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 12, 2014, 10:13:01 pm
I see nothing wrong with scripts, players aren't willing to join because the scripters aren't listening to them.In my opinion the scripters are doing a great job and they should stick with what they are currently working on.

This is a rather good explanation, unfortunatelly if that is the case, there is nothing we can do about it, therefor I personally hope that this is not the reason. Justice is indeed rare in our server, and I am in no position to do anything for that, but I can atleast struggle to get some nice ideas for our scripts, to make them both useful, realistic, fun, and remain within our Vision's borders.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kirgiz_Returned on September 12, 2014, 10:39:08 pm
Years ago, I said that developers themselves with their attitude will ram the server into its death.

And yet I was dismissed with the "Troll" tag.

But they didn't listen. They didn't want to. So they chose to ban me. Yet I closely watch the progress of the server, just out of curiosity, how will it manage to stay afloat.

It didn't.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 12, 2014, 11:04:14 pm
No worries mate, the community will survive as long as it can and we are here to support it no matter what.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Ethan. on September 12, 2014, 11:23:29 pm
I do appreciate for all the hard work and dedication the whole scripter team have done for Argonath. The amount of time they have used on scripting, fixing bugs and improving the server.

I know Zaila and everyone else kept saying " (http://i.imgur.com/fMpDVzn.png) ", that's cool... But try making the server/scripts abit similar to RS4 somehow, so we can enjoy playing again!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 12, 2014, 11:39:37 pm
I do appreciate for all the hard work and dedication the whole scripter team have done for Argonath. The amount of time they have used on scripting, fixing bugs and improving the server.

I know Zaila and everyone else kept saying " (http://i.imgur.com/fMpDVzn.png) ", that's cool... But try making the server/scripts abit similar to RS4 somehow, so we can enjoy the playing again!
Now thats what i am talking about, If you want stuff similar to RS4 or anything that you want changed or removed... this is the right way to request/ask.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pandalink on September 13, 2014, 04:01:02 am
Ain't no need to keep these 2 "balanced".
It's astonishing people are still touting this point of view, and even more astounding that these same people are then confused as to why the server's player count has dropped so dramatically.

Years ago, I said that developers themselves with their attitude will ram the server into its death.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Nexus_Riggs on September 13, 2014, 04:54:46 am
I see RS5 very much improved than when it was first released. One thing people don't realize is that we have a server, with great system, filled with opportunities, but not flawless to the community's vision yet. There is still lot of room for further improvements, but it will indeed take more time. Best thing to do now is be patience, although share ideas/suggestions through the system we currently have, get active with the community/developers and try to move the community forward.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 13, 2014, 09:32:46 am
I see RS5 very much improved than when it was first released. One thing people don't realize is that we have a server, with great system, filled with opportunities, but not flawless to the community's vision yet. There is still lot of room for further improvements, but it will indeed take more time. Best thing to do now is be patience, although share ideas/suggestions through the system we currently have, get active with the community/developers and try to move the community forward.

WE should try to move the community towards what exactly, asking out of curiousity to see what is the average view point of people about the future of the server ?
Before answering that question, consider few things:

- Remember at what state the server was an year ago and compare it with now.
- Recall what the Argonath Vision was an year ago and compare it with now.
- Recall what the scripts used to be an year ago and compare it with now.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 13, 2014, 11:07:24 am
Players were in RS4 because it was simple, dynamic, had features and was easy to understand and play along with it, still there were more roleplay scenarios than there are in RS5 where apperently scripts became hardcore.
There's no reason at all to close PnS, there's no need for Mechanic either, you can make PnS buyable and make entry fees to pay.
There's also no reason for realistic economy in unrealistic game, like I saw Gandalf's post somewhere about "Why would you want realistic game if you have life" something like that.
Lottos too, should be added back. It was a simple game where you either gain or lose the 100$ for the ticket, still simple and fun.
The only improvement would be RS4 with more modern interior (scripting part) and some newer SAMP features as preview textdraws, clickable textdraws and such.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 14, 2014, 12:41:22 am
Switching back to RS4 is just dumb. RS4 was worked on by alot of scripters and obviously everyone of them had their own style. When it came to adding/fixing stuff in RS4 it was simply impossible. I have no idea how RS5 is "complicated", You guys asked for the removal of Jurisdiction.. it was removed, You guys asked for the ability to disable public chat(player side ofc)... it was added. Almost everything you people asked for was done, the scripters are working as hard as they possibly can. About PnS, Gandalf already stated that it was not intentional. As a scripter myself, i know how hard it can be to fix certain bugs, I really dont know why people complain about RS5's scripts. You're basically asking for Old rotten food while fresh food is right infront of you.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 14, 2014, 02:58:22 am
WE should try to move the community towards what exactly, asking out of curiousity to see what is the average view point of people about the future of the server ?
Before answering that question, consider few things:

- Remember at what state the server was an year ago and compare it with now.
- Recall what the Argonath Vision was an year ago and compare it with now.
- Recall what the scripts used to be an year ago and compare it with now.

Future of server?  No to bright if things keep going way they are.
It has had it's time in the limelight and has been knocked off it's pedestal, it's no longer a place filled with people who came to play and have a fun but has became a breeding ground for degenerates (no am not dumping on everyone).  I don't want to sound like am against what it's become but it's simply laughable at how far it dropped, it's not the same place I used to spend my free-time on.  Vision?  What vision.

It's not going to take an effort from HQ to move the SA:MP community towards something better but a actual community effort, community been left out of decisions before can't keep making same mistakes over and over.  We should be listening to you.

RS4 coming back won't make a difference it's to late down the line to consider that now.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 14, 2014, 03:04:41 am
Future of server?  No to bright if things keep going way they are.
It has had it's time in the limelight and has been knocked off it's pedestal, it's no longer a place filled with people who came to play and have a fun but has became a breeding ground for degenerates (no am not dumping on everyone).  I don't want to sound like am against what it's become but it's simply laughable at how far it dropped, it's not the same place I used to spend my free-time on.  Vision?  What vision.

It's not going to take an effort from HQ to move the SA:MP community towards something better but a actual community effort, community been left out of decisions before can't keep making same mistakes over and over.  We should be listening to you.

RS4 coming back won't make a difference it's to late down the line to consider that now.
:app:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 14, 2014, 09:42:22 am
The thing is that the downfall was solely because leaders do what they want. If protested against, topics get locked for "Argonath isn't a democracy".
You guys started it in RS4 by rejecting great ideas. The HQ has a great personality that loved to deny every idea with the concept of RP it.
That slowly led to a place where community has no input to what the server is.

Then RS5 turned out to be disappointing because of high expectations. This was surely gonna happen.

How will the whole community move forward if the community's ideas and suggestion are almost always trashed? When we don't use new scripts because they're "not possible to script" and if given examples of it, "we don't copy other servers".

Theres still no proper legitimate topic defining every single rule and the punishment if the rule be broken. Yeah there's a wannabe topic which sounds like its just hap hazard and just dumped in the rules.
That should be the number 1priority and is the HQs job. Admins improvise punishments and without the topic no doubt biased punishments will occur leading the players to leave such a community.

There are so many flaws everywhere. I still feel the community is based on friendship. Oh,this guy was inactive and came back after 2 years, next day he's Deputy Chief of sapd.
Servers based on friendships fall apart.

If the HQ doesn't fix these flaws then this community ain't going anywhere. I'd like to disagree with Rusty when he said it will take the whole community's effort. How will the community even contribute if this isn't a democracy and the HQ does what it likes?

So many people keep saying call your friends here.and when a bunch of kids from Pakistan started playing, y'all started joking and mocking their lack of roleplay and English skills instead of helping them and eventually driving them away to another server.
Now you're asking us to call our friends again.

What a joke...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 14, 2014, 01:31:43 pm
The thing is that the downfall was solely because leaders do what they want. If protested against, topics get locked for "Argonath isn't a democracy".
You guys started it in RS4 by rejecting great ideas. The HQ has a great personality that loved to deny every idea with the concept of RP it.
That slowly led to a place where community has no input to what the server is.

Community involvement in decisions was at zero or was a small fraction, even before I was a Manager or had got re-instated to a Admin I could see it. 

Then RS5 turned out to be disappointing because of high expectations. This was surely gonna happen.

I think the disappointment was of the state it was released in rather than people having high expectation's but they had to release it when they did, it was a downer and hampered the server big time but we sort of pulled through I guess?

How will the whole community move forward if the community's ideas and suggestion are almost always trashed? When we don't use new scripts because they're "not possible to script" and if given examples of it, "we don't copy other servers".


I'll be blunt quite alot of the ideas people post aren't worth adding, developers did quietly listen and added in features you all wanted but it wasn't enough as you simply cannot please everyone.  There are still some great ideas worth adding in, they flow in everyday but right now I think the developers would want to fix what's needed before adding in any more. 

Theres still no proper legitimate topic defining every single rule and the punishment if the rule be broken. Yeah there's a wannabe topic which sounds like its just hap hazard and just dumped in the rules.
That should be the number 1priority and is the HQs job. Admins improvise punishments and without the topic no doubt biased punishments will occur leading the players to leave such a community.

I highly agree on this, there isn't a topic dedicated to every single rule that floats around here and I can feel why players think half are simply made-up by Staff.  Maybe this will be something we can work on soon.

There are so many flaws everywhere. I still feel the community is based on friendship. Oh,this guy was inactive and came back after 2 years, next day he's Deputy Chief of sapd.
Servers based on friendships fall apart.

I wouldn't say it's base on friendship, I've had people and know people who tried to exploit it to get somewhere but it ultimately led them to fall flat on their face.  If it was like this I know I'd say something about it if it happened within group's I am in.

If the HQ doesn't fix these flaws then this community ain't going anywhere. I'd like to disagree with Rusty when he said it will take the whole community's effort. How will the community even contribute if this isn't a democracy and the HQ does what it likes?

This is where it needs to change, needs to stop being a one-three man show and start involving everyone to come to final decisions on what should happen.  HQ trying to do what it can right now without Gandalf but as much as someone might get on at me for saying this we need to just start doing what's best and not wait around for him to be here as he does have other higher priorities to deal with.

So many people keep saying call your friends here.and when a bunch of kids from Pakistan started playing, y'all started joking and mocking their lack of roleplay and English skills instead of helping them and eventually driving them away to another server.
Now you're asking us to call our friends again.

This is how player's are in this community, lack of respect for others is a fucking joke. 
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Zaila on September 14, 2014, 01:37:06 pm
So many people keep saying call your friends here.and when a bunch of kids from Pakistan started playing, y'all started joking and mocking their lack of roleplay and English skills instead of helping them and eventually driving them away to another server.
Now you're asking us to call our friends again.

When we spoke on TS before, you brought this up to me and i told you that is not acceptable. If it is happening, i ask you, or anyone else, to get evidence for it and come to me directly with it. I do not tolerate it and whoever does it will experience that. No one needs to speak perfect english to play here. And for lack of Roleplay, everyone needs to start somewhere and learn it, and everyone should respect that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kirgiz_Returned on September 14, 2014, 01:50:51 pm
Removed. User warned.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Zaila on September 14, 2014, 01:51:58 pm
I also want to clear something up.

We released RS5 in December 2013 in a buggy state. It was nothing like we wanted it to be, and if we had the option to, we would have delayed the release to further improve the scripts.

However, as those around that time should remember that the server went down in November 2013. It deleted ALL data that was on the server. Gandalf had backups, but the problem was that the recent backups at that time was on the server that was wiped clean. The only backup Gandalf had at that time was 4 months old so me, Conroy and xcasio sat down with Gandalf and discussed what we should do.

We had 2 options which was:

1. Start up RS4 with no data at all which would have ment no properties, no vehicles, no accounts and so on. Players would have to work their way up again, then have their data wiped a second time whenever RS5 would have been released.

2. Put RS5 on the main IP for a couple of weeks as "official beta" and push push push to fix bugs until the set release deadline.

No matter what we would have chosen, it would upset the players as it would mean data wipes for both options. However, we felt that option 2 was the best under the current situation at that time.

When we released RS5, it was in such messy state as we had nowhere enough time to finish it. As i have said several times, if we had the possibility to, we would have wanted more time to work on RS5 before releasing it but sadly we didn't have it.

Since the release, several hundreds of bugs has been fixed, possible thousands. We have spent i dont know how many thousand of hours togheter in fixing all the bugs, yet there is no appreciation for any of our efforts. All we hear is "this is bugged, this is shit, fix this, fix that, change this, change that, RS5 is shit, bring back RS4" and i personally have been so demotivated to actually do any scripting for months now. After all, i'm a human as everyone else with feelings, and i have a limit on how much shit i can take on the project i've dedicated thousands of hours on without getting a single "thank you" back. And i'm sure the other scripts is, or have been feeling the same.

We will be working on fixing things, but it will require patient from the players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Tiny on September 14, 2014, 01:53:40 pm
Well, I don't like being offensive here because people get hurt easily.. but let me be honest. There are shitloads of reasons we can state that have caused this drop to the Argonath servers.
 
However, the problem is not the script, nor the owners, nor bla bla. The problem is me, you, and everyone who has been a part of the community. This community is unfortunately another micrography of the real word, and unfortunately the bullcrap is at very high rates.
Players have forgot the reason they are here. I know, fun is why we all play here, but if you pass the limits in order to "have fun", fun is gone.

And look where we are now! People are indeed having fun on the server, but not RPing. Instead, they are having fun freeroaming, DMing and collecting money/assets.

I find it almsot impossible to see a change here after several tries I've made myself, but if you want my opinion, change and judge yourselves before you want to judge/change something on this server.

Whatever, the server is currently having a bad time, and if you "love" it, then at least the 15 players that are online, must stop causing trouble. So we can finally raise.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 14, 2014, 02:06:14 pm
And there's a certain official group which completely shat on the server a few weeks before RS5 saying that they'd leave if all of their stuff got wiped, and now they are 'semi back' pretending nothing ever happend, the ignorance is unbearable.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 14, 2014, 05:11:32 pm
@Mikal, if you're talking about Gvardia, I know for a fact the group is not inactive because we lost our properties. Yes, that might have demotivated us, but we got most of them, and some extra back.



If you want to change the server, before changing the players you should change the admin team. I find this to be the most crucial thing.

Changes to the way administration addresses new players, starting from those with numerical numbers.

Don't go right away kicking someone for "no numerical names". He'll most likely just leave because he might not know if he should change it or not. Or he might find it rude to just get kicked as soon as he logs in. Speak to him, and offer him a name change.
 
Or even explaining new players the local chat command. Saying /l might look like an I IG and the new player might not know what to type.



The scripting team should focus on new features being released instead of bugs being fixed to attract new players. Most bugs have been fixed anyway.



New players are the future.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 14, 2014, 05:20:01 pm
Bugs being fixed is more important than additional features being created at this point in time.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 14, 2014, 06:35:03 pm
Well, I don't like being offensive here because people get hurt easily.. but let me be honest. There are shitloads of reasons we can state that have caused this drop to the Argonath servers.
 
However, the problem is not the script, nor the owners, nor bla bla. The problem is me, you, and everyone who has been a part of the community. This community is unfortunately another micrography of the real word, and unfortunately the bullcrap is at very high rates.
Players have forgot the reason they are here. I know, fun is why we all play here, but if you pass the limits in order to "have fun", fun is gone.

And look where we are now! People are indeed having fun on the server, but not RPing. Instead, they are having fun freeroaming, DMing and collecting money/assets.

I find it almsot impossible to see a change here after several tries I've made myself, but if you want my opinion, change and judge yourselves before you want to judge/change something on this server.

Whatever, the server is currently having a bad time, and if you "love" it, then at least the 15 players that are online, must stop causing trouble. So we can finally raise.

Lots of posts, so lots of answers to be given here...

First of all about you Alex. You say that the problem is within the players and only. Well you are wrong, it is like owning a shop and blaming your customers for not buying from you any more. Many people like Argonath, for a shitload of reasons which is why they stay here and try to help in any way they can, either by posting ideas, trying to repair things or by simply presenting IG. Those people are the exception, when a customer does not like your product he simply leaves coz let's face it. We all come here to relax and have some fun. We all have our good and our bad days, either because we failed at our test or because we had a big fight with our boss at work, or because there was that fucktard asking 1k stupid questions about his car while we were repairing it, or because the script that we have been working on for 2 months came out with  more than 100 bugs... or simply because we just had a break up.... We all come here to have fun, when that fun turns into pressure the whole server loses its meaning.

It has been many times that I feel that nobody within the management of the server gives a single crap about us, the players. Either by heavily punishing us for something that we didn't do at all, or we didn't do on purpose or by simply ignoring our efforts when we try to improve our fun. Coz all of those ideas are so that we can have more fun in the server. And this is where we should start, having more fun...

Also about you Mikal, your whole post was a provocation, and it hurts me to say that if it was against the management it would be deleted while it wasn't touched coz it is against Gvardia, or any Gvardia. The thing is, that running a civilian/criminal group is completly different than running a group which recieves everything from the state, and last time I checked, that's where you've spent most of your time as far as I know you. So do not forget how many hours Gvardia,Corleone,Every Group has spent working for those assets, and I highly doubt anyone likes even working in a game for long...

Also Devin is right, before you start building a new house, you got to finish your last one.

Zaila, I understand what you mean, and I am sure that there isn't a single person within the community that doesn't feel bad about that state. The thing is that I hardly believe anyone actually things that it is the fault of the scripters. And if they do, they are simply wrong. There isn't a single game out there, that came out of the scripting phase without bugs, not a single one, so I do not get why we expect this one to be "bug-less". You were given "orders" on what to do and you did it.

Also about those new players from Pakistan. It is true that the older players/groups look down on the new ones. But let's face it, even the server himself does so with that new official/recognised system. I know lots of group who gained their recognised/official status just because they are rs4 groups and existed for a couple of years now... then simply went inactive for months and still have their rights. While new groups have to "fight" for them for long periods. My question once again is why. Why did Gvardia, CM, w/e else recieve their rights so fast?

We keep talking about equalty in our server, but unfortunatelly we are not treating people as equal as we should ... from cops to criminals , to admins and players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 14, 2014, 06:41:05 pm
Why did Gvardia, CM, w/e else recieve their rights so fast?

Maybe because these group deserve it. They meet the requirements, and they have being doing so for years, I don't see why it should be revoked.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 14, 2014, 06:48:59 pm
Maybe because these group deserve it. They meet the requirements, and they have being doing so for years, I don't see why it should be revoked.

I didn't only mean about those two particular groups ... I speak in general for every group that recieved its right as soon as it started. And I am asking for the ones fully active to lose their rights, Scotto for examble(Though Scotto worked very hard in rs5 to get it), AoD..., and many otehrs, not going to name every group that should have its rights revoked. And yes, i do not think that Gvardia and CM and many others deserved official/recognised status the day they started. They have indeed been going for years, and this is why they recieved it. But a group that started with rs5 didn't ahve the chance to have a 8 years history. So it is not right for it to have to wait while the history-ful ones don't ... I just want to focus on equalty.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 14, 2014, 06:52:15 pm
Wasn't RS5 being scripted from 2011 or so?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 14, 2014, 06:57:16 pm
I didn't only mean about those two particular groups ... I speak in general for every group that recieved its right as soon as it started. And I am asking for the ones fully active to lose their rights, Scotto for examble(Though Scotto worked very hard in rs5 to get it), AoD..., and many otehrs, not going to name every group that should have its rights revoked. And yes, i do not think that Gvardia and CM and many others deserved official/recognised status the day they started. They have indeed been going for years, and this is why they recieved it. But a group that started with rs5 didn't ahve the chance to have a 8 years history. So it is not right for it to have to wait while the history-ful ones don't ... I just want to focus on equalty.
AoD didn't start in RS5, they also worked hard to achieve thier status.

Wasn't RS5 being scripted from 2011 or so?
As far as i've heard, it was re-done a couple times.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 14, 2014, 07:05:48 pm
AoD didn't start in RS5, they also worked hard to achieve thier status.

As soon as they started in rs5 ... Didn't say that they started in rs5 ... Many groups recieved their rights simply because they were here since rs4, AoD was the one that came in my mind, I could name many... And no AoD did not work hard to become recognised in rs5 , nor did Gvardia , CM , Ancelotti work hard in rs5 to become official. ANyway I do not want to speak specifically. I want to speak generally about equalty.
Groups from rs4 had a big advantage over rs5 groups... in a server which "treats its players equally" ...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 14, 2014, 07:37:45 pm
Also about you Mikal, your whole post was a provocation, and it hurts me to say that if it was against the management it would be deleted while it wasn't touched coz it is against Gvardia, or any Gvardia. The thing is, that running a civilian/criminal group is completly different than running a group which recieves everything from the state, and last time I checked, that's where you've spent most of your time as far as I know you. So do not forget how many hours Gvardia,Corleone,Every Group has spent working for those assets, and I highly doubt anyone likes even working in a game for long...
I'm moderated for starts and didn't mention any names, maybe it wasn't deleted because it's true?

I don't recall any groups I've been in/lead receiving government funds other than ADF which I left and created AAF.. I actually had a couple million in RS4 and so didn't need government funding for that group, I also worked for my money, and yet I didn't threaten to quit if we lost our stuff.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 14, 2014, 08:14:07 pm
There's really no difference between official and recognised groups since rs5 day 1. So I don't know what exactly is not equal here, those who deserved it got their recognised+ status. Also to let you know activity and how hard has a group worked aren't the only criteria for being selected as recognised or official group.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Huntsman on September 14, 2014, 08:23:20 pm
Quote
I mean seriously, look at VC:MP
You better be joking. Funny how you say such shit without even playing in the VC:MP. Our community is increasing daily and we have atleast 10-15 players online most of the time which is more than enough with the Vice City map. We do expierence downtime often, yes, but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..
MTA:VC, on the other hand...

Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.

This.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 14, 2014, 08:39:02 pm
but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..

With that kind of attitude, the same could be said for your existence on these forums.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Acika on September 14, 2014, 08:45:02 pm
Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.
Interesting observation. I would agree.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Huntsman on September 14, 2014, 08:49:26 pm
With that kind of attitude, the same could be said for your existence on these forums.

Well in what other words would you explain the fact that we keep having months of downtime for everysingle attack we get and we're forced to rely on a non-Argonath host because somebody can't do their job right? Don't feed me with the "with that attitude" . We've been suffering the completely ignorant HQ's attitude for far too long to be told that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 14, 2014, 09:01:27 pm
Well in what other words would you explain the fact that we keep having months of downtime for everysingle attack we get and we're forced to rely on a non-Argonath host because somebody can't do their job right? Don't feed me with the "with that attitude" . We've been suffering the completely ignorant HQ's attitude for far too long to be told that.

Your behaviour is ridiculous, you haven't a clue what you're talking about nor do you have a clue what is actually happening.
Don't come and call HQ ignorant and incompetent because you think you know better.

Do not come and try to "preach" as if you are aware of the current host situation as well as HQs situation.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Murt on September 14, 2014, 09:11:38 pm
We do expierence downtime often, yes, but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..


It is not HQ's fault that the servers gets attacked and that we're experiencing downtime. So talking about "our" incompetence, elaborate further.
But I advise you too choose your words wisely.  :cop:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 14, 2014, 09:39:20 pm
Okay once again. I personally think that VC:MP or w/e is in a very bad state, the reasons are unknown to me, and since I've never played there I'm not planning to learn them. If you think that VC:MP is in a good state then, I'm obviously wrong as what I've heard is only from rumours and so on.

And once again, from what I've heard, and never witnessed, VC:MP is practicly fucked, and I am in your damn side about this, something needs to be done....
If that's not the case, then just forget my reference to it completly..................

Now as the last guy didn't answer to my post about this, would anyone have the courtesy to answer to this one? If I'm wrong then do let me know!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Whiteman on September 14, 2014, 10:19:44 pm
Want to get the server back in line? Join Hinterland Logistics & Security (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=108056.0)  in order to have a bright future in the RS5, enough of words, time for actions.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 15, 2014, 02:11:31 pm
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=108096.msg1714572;topicseen#new

Are we sure he even knew that rule? And he scammed 3k from a guy who hasbeen here longer than him...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 15, 2014, 02:20:26 pm
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=108096.msg1714572;topicseen#new

Are we sure he even knew that rule? And he scammed 3k from a guy who hasbeen here longer than him...
Wether or not he knew the rule Janar gave him a chance to give the money back, he refused and so got banned. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Huntsman on September 15, 2014, 03:38:04 pm
VC:MP is in a good shape ever since we seperated from the Argonath host. Go figure. Funny how you try to point people's attention to my attitude instead of your faults. I really can't give you anything better when we're talking about 3 months of us being completely ignored. Now excuse me, I'll go play VC:MP in a far more stable host that any of the rest of Argo have and have a good time. Bye.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 15, 2014, 03:54:42 pm
VC:MP is in a good shape ever since we seperated from the Argonath host. Go figure. Funny how you try to point people's attention to my attitude instead of your faults. I really can't give you anything better when we're talking about 3 months of us being completely ignored. Now excuse me, I'll go play VC:MP in a far more stable host that any of the rest of Argo have and have a good time. Bye.
Ehm, MeinKraft is fairly stable.. :gand:

and ur mean
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kessu on September 15, 2014, 04:23:56 pm
VC:MP is in a good shape ever since we seperated from the Argonath host. Go figure. Funny how you try to point people's attention to my attitude instead of your faults. I really can't give you anything better when we're talking about 3 months of us being completely ignored. Now excuse me, I'll go play VC:MP in a far more stable host that any of the rest of Argo have and have a good time. Bye.
Yes. Goodluck in playing the server that currently is down :D (this time unforeseen consequences that couldn't of been avoided).

As Devin mentioned, you only know what you've been told and not the whole story, so as long as you don't know the whole story I suggest you keep it down :(
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 15, 2014, 04:27:22 pm
The discussion about how to improve the server is slowly turning into complete useless bullshit.

Want to get the server back in line? Join Hinterland Logistics & Security (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=108056.0)  in order to have a bright future in the RS5, enough of words, time for actions.

Yes. Goodluck in playing the server that currently is down :D (this time unforeseen consequences that couldn't of been avoided).

As Devin mentioned, you only know what you've been told and not the whole story, so as long as you don't know the whole story I suggest you keep it down :(


I request the administration to punish the players instead of resorting to the notorious Argonaths "locking and deleteing the topic" method.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 15, 2014, 04:52:36 pm
Anyway disregard my last psot aswell ... I though that your post was reffering to me... kiddo... Anyway

Anyone has any ideas??
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 15, 2014, 05:51:54 pm
Takes too long to bring one service online once it goes offline again.
There are 303320 admin levels - admin for teamspeak, admin for forums, admin for ingame, manager for forum, manager for teamspeak and whatnot, at end they all end up waiting for someone third.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Zaila on September 15, 2014, 07:42:57 pm
The discussion about how to improve the server is slowly turning into complete useless bullshit.

Which is exactly why i'm tempted to lock this topic now, but i wont (yet).

If anyone posting in this topic can't keep a civilized tone and keep any criticism constructive then this topic will get locked down.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Conroy on September 15, 2014, 07:45:36 pm
Warnings issued, please keep the topic clean.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: diego_romero on September 15, 2014, 08:03:35 pm
For Gods Sake Man Just Check How Much Work They Do. Its Not Easy to Design A Script Then to Work as an Admin And Moderate Shit like These. If Just Nothing Pleases you then keep opinion to yourself..
You Want to get The Server Back in line Right? Then Guess what Fulfill Responsibilities as A Player As a Responsible Community Member.
These People Are Trying Very Hard Advertisement teams, New Addition To Scripts, More Growing Groups And Families. If They Are Fulfilling Duty on their side then where can the Gap Be? Obviously on the Player Side. No ones gonna inject it into Someones Brain that This is a Server Known As Argonath Come We Need Players,
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 15, 2014, 08:42:57 pm
You know, in english we use capital letters in the beginning of a sentence and not every word

On topic: I literally see nothing wrong with the server's "current state". We have 40-50 players online almost everyday.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 15, 2014, 09:00:32 pm
You know, in english we use capital letters in the beginning of a sentence and not every word

On topic: I literally see nothing wrong with the server's "current state". We have 40-50 players online almost everyday.

Might not be close to the 100 we had during RS4 but it's a hell of a lot better than what it was during the beginning of RS5 where the script was in major need of fixing up.  Past is the past and it belongs there stop dragging it back up.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 15, 2014, 09:25:19 pm
You know, in english we use capital letters in the beginning of a sentence and not every word

On topic: I literally see nothing wrong with the server's "current state". We have 40-50 players online almost everyday.

Well you do have a point here, from the day after the Trucker Job script was released the activity has gotten as high as 40-50 players at our active hours, which is a huge step, still would love to see more...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 15, 2014, 09:56:50 pm
Well you do have a point here, from the day after the Trucker Job script was released the activity has gotten as high as 40-50 players at our active hours, which is a huge step, still would love to see more...
Bank script incoming!

Money brings people. People bring fun, or rage.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Leon. on September 15, 2014, 10:54:36 pm
Bank script incoming!

Money brings people. People bring fun, or rage.
this might be true.
people care too much about virtual money whether we like it or not and there is absolutely nothing we can successfully do to combat it. an option is to appeal to this hunger for money.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Gregersen on September 16, 2014, 12:16:02 pm
RS5 didn't work out. Let's face it. Switch to RS4 please.

I am sorry to bring this up, and being a d*ick, but James is correct here, is it realy so hard to see?
I am aware that alot of hours and alot of hard work has been used to create RS5, but can't you see, ever since RS5, the server has gone the wrong way?
What you should've done was, taking RS4.1 - fix the bugs, add updates.. What a wonderfull time..
I knew, back at the BETA of RS5, that this wouldn't be no good - NOT to step on anyones fingers, or be an ass, but it was just so easy to see, unfortunately.

I enjoyed RS4, ALOT!

Some will probably freak out now, but the truth hurts.


EDIT: Said, the very correct way: The scripts changed TOO much, and ArgonathRPG became too different, in it's way of functioning (scriptwise, usage), and that lead alot of players to not play there anylonger, also made alot of newcommers stay away maybe, because they heard different about ArgonathRPG than it originaly was.

ArgonathRPG just changed in so many ways, with the new scripts, in my opinion - nothing was realy the same, if you ask me... That can scare people off
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 12:21:45 pm
I am sorry to bring this up, and being a d*ick, but James is correct here, is it realy so hard to see?
I am aware that alot of hours and alot of hard work has been used to create RS5, but can't you see, ever since RS5, the server has gone the wrong way?
What you should've done was, taking RS4.1 - fix the bugs, add updates.. What a wonderfull time..
I knew, back at the BETA of RS5, that this wouldn't be no good - NOT to step on anyones fingers, or be an ass, but it was just so easy to see, unfortunately.

I enjoyed RS4, ALOT!

Some will probably freak out now, but the truth hurts.

Well, if everyone likes rs4 so much, why not make rs5 more like rs4?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Gregersen on September 16, 2014, 12:23:35 pm
Well, if everyone likes rs4 so much, why not make rs5 more like rs4?
RS5 was created (correct me if im wrong), from the vision Gandalf had for ArgonathRPG, how he saw the community work the best way, with new scripts..

I can't tell why not to make RS5 more like RS4 - I guess the management wanted a change? Unfortunately it hit the wrong way
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 12:27:58 pm
RS5 was created (correct me if im wrong), from the vision Gandalf had for ArgonathRPG, how he saw the community work the best way, with new scripts..

I can't tell why not to make RS5 more like RS4 - I guess the management wanted a change? Unfortunately it hit the wrong way

Well the thing is that we have to be fair, most players left coz they had their assets wiped away, and not because of the script change. If everyone loves rs4 so much, and even though I'd rather play on something new , I guess some moves could be made now to make the script more like... we can't copy rs4 but I guess we can turn rs5 into something similar.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Gregersen on September 16, 2014, 12:35:18 pm
Well the thing is that we have to be fair, most players left coz they had their assets wiped away, and not because of the script change. If everyone loves rs4 so much, and even though I'd rather play on something new , I guess some moves could be made now to make the script more like... we can't copy rs4 but I guess we can turn rs5 into something similar.
You can be very correct, my friend, no doubt!

I am sure many was "only" thinking of their assets (on a game), and might have left due to the loss of those... Others might have left due to scriptchange, or other reasons..

Me, as an example, don't even have time to play pool on facebook for more than 15 minutes a day, due to work and school - makes me unable to play on ArgonathRPG no matter how much I'd love to.. I do miss this place..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 12:41:45 pm
Sad to hear so...

Still I do thing the idea is worth a poll or? I'd like to get to know what the rest of the players think about it, even the scripters aswell if possible.
Also getting to know how hard this would be would also be nice.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 16, 2014, 12:44:54 pm
Bringing RS4 back won't change a f**king thing, people will still be without money and need to work it back. And will they do it? No, they will keep moaning about how they lost thier precious virtual assets they worked so hard for over the years.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 01:48:48 pm
Bringing RS4 back won't change a f**king thing, people will still be without money and need to work it back. And will they do it? No, they will keep moaning about how they lost thier precious virtual assets they worked so hard for over the years.

I am fully against bring RS4 back, I proposed making RS5 more similar to RS4 ... it is supposed to be writen in a much better way, so changing it wold be much easier than updating rs4 right?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 16, 2014, 01:52:45 pm
If they brought RS4 back the people who have 'worked hard' for money in RS5 would then moan about losing their RS5 assets and having to work for it all in RS4 again, you can't win. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 02:10:18 pm
I am fully against bringing RS4 back, I proposed making RS5 more similar to RS4 ... it is supposed to be writen in a much better way, so changing it wold be much easier than updating rs4 right?
If they brought RS4 back the people who have 'worked hard' for money in RS5 would then moan about losing their RS5 assets and having to work for it all in RS4 again, you can't win. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 16, 2014, 02:38:50 pm
Work with what we have already created and what is being created in RS5 than just saying return back to the old scripts.
Development of RS5 is on-going and constantly changing, give it time.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 03:22:55 pm
Work with what we have already created and what is being created in RS5 than just saying return back to the old scripts.
Development of RS5 is on-going and constantly changing, give it time.

True, making RS5 better in general is better , but if the players want RS4, maybe we can give them something similar or? I personally prefer RS5...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 16, 2014, 04:24:56 pm
Whoever said RS5 was built according to Gandalf's "vision", I don't think someone 30years old with family and job who comes online 1 time per year knows what players really loved and played for..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: eymas on September 16, 2014, 04:32:38 pm
but if the players want RS4, maybe we can give them something similar or?
Several commands we know from RS4 made their way back in RS5 though.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 16, 2014, 05:52:08 pm
People can't handle change or..? I personally like RS5 the way it is , couple new features and bug fixing is all it needs.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 16, 2014, 07:20:05 pm
That's actually true Zaila ... I don't know seriously...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 17, 2014, 06:33:37 pm
Whoever said RS5 was built according to Gandalf's "vision", I don't think someone 30years old with family and job who comes online 1 time per year knows what players really loved and played for..

Respect brother.
Its funny how they used to trash ideas with against argo vision, but they just made trucker job where you drive around get  $$. I remember giving a nice trucking idea which was not against the so called vision.

At least they're making scripts that people wanted now. Hoping to see more soon.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 17, 2014, 06:47:23 pm
Whoever said RS5 was built according to Gandalf's "vision", I don't think someone 30years old with family and job who comes online 1 time per year knows what players really loved and played for..

I hope you know, sometimes its better to remain silent, then make a fool of yourself, especially when you know about 0 of how RS5 was built.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 17, 2014, 07:54:08 pm
I hope you know, sometimes its better to remain silent, then make a fool of yourself, especially when you know about 0 of how RS5 was built.
I don't know how RS5 was built, but I see many talking about vision and how RS5 was built along with it, I just wanted to say that Gandalf has a life, job, family and that he doesn't spend hours in-game playing, when he comes he mainly comes for some event and then he's on-duty so he doesn't really experience how the gameplay is the same way as players do.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 17, 2014, 08:00:58 pm
I don't know how RS5 was built, but I see many talking about vision and how RS5 was built along with it, I just wanted to say that Gandalf has a life, job, family and that he doesn't spend hours in-game playing, when he comes he mainly comes for some event and then he's on-duty so he doesn't really experience how the gameplay is the same way as players do.

Indeed he can't and I belive the first versions of RS5 until a month or two ago proved that, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own, so I would say RS5  could possibly become something good, if they continue to provide the same dedication. So I belive its better to focus on what's ahead and support the scripters and give effective feedback, rather then dwell on how RS5 was made and how it came to this.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 17, 2014, 08:12:09 pm
Indeed he can't and I belive the first versions of RS5 until a month or two ago proved that, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own, so I would say RS5  could possibly become something good, if they continue to provide the same dedication. So I belive its better to focus on what's ahead and support the scripters and give effective feedback, rather then dwell on how RS5 was made and how it came to this.

Feedback is what this topic is mainly made for ... Find ways of making the server more enjoyable and more attractive.

Also I would like to suggest to make it easier for people who do not have any map knowledge at all. The how would be a problem, but there is no job that can be "worked" without map knowledge... I think that we should also focus a little bit arround making the server more newbie friendly in general.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pandalink on September 18, 2014, 03:01:59 am
oh my god, why will nobody remove the doors on the pay n' spray

I don't think people are grasping how much of a huge issue this is, especially for new players. They're familiar with it, they like it, when they find it blocked and their car explodes they will leave the server.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 18, 2014, 03:58:37 am
oh my god, why will nobody remove the doors on the pay n' spray

I don't think people are grasping how much of a huge issue this is, especially for new players. They're familiar with it, they like it, when they find it blocked and their car explodes they will leave the server.
Well i agree with you...Gandalf said it was a mistake, should've been removed by now. Pretty sure its not hard...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Leon. on September 18, 2014, 05:24:28 am
In regards to any post involving RS4 - a few things have been reiterated by the team many times.

1. Much to many's dismay, RS4 is gone forever. There is no going back.
2. Even if it did still exist, we would not revert because (correct me if I'm wrong) all of the "behind the scenes" functions such as account security, anticheats, stability, etc. of RS5 are far superior to RS4.
3. On the outside, RS5 may seem more "complicated," but on the inside, it is simplified. This saves the developers many headaches, which makes them more willing to continue to improve the script. To have kept RS4 and continue adding improvements was not the most viable option; an overhaul was necessary to carry forward.

And in regards to "getting the server on track"...
Argonath has always been more so community-driven to make it go round, RS5 especially. As far as I can see, the player count is the biggest issue.
Less players = less players coming on, less players coming on = less players. Too few players = RS5 is not being used to its full potential.
I honestly believe that if the server had... say, 50+ players daily during peak hours, RS5 would be glowing. Too many people are blaming RS5 itself for the lack of players - "people left cuz the script sux." In my opinion, many players left because of a combination of loss of assets and lack of interest to carry on, to build back from the ground up.  SA:MP is a dying breed, so new players aren't a dime a dozen anymore. The loss of old players, while possibly detoxifying the community, has unfortunately stagnated the server.

Tried my best to provide some logical insight on the situation. As per a solution, that is something we as a community need to discuss without heated passion standing between us. This thread appears to seek a solution, but a solution seems highly unlikely for quite some time because we are all still mad about something...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 05:42:06 am
, but I gotta say its impressive what the scripters have achived and continue to attempt to achieve on their own,
Nope . it ain't impressive at all considering the other scripts I have seen.
I think its time to stop this "scripters have a life" and false praising. No they didn't do a good job and they deserve the critisism.
I know scripters who scripted a whole game mode on samp under 2 weeks which had less bugs and more cool features than RS5. But you all don't hire scripters like that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Plam_Knight on September 18, 2014, 05:48:30 am
Nope . it ain't impressive at all considering the other scripts I have seen.
I think its time to stop this "scripters have a life" and false praising. No they didn't do a good job and they deserve the critisism.
I know scripters who scripted a whole game mode on samp under 2 weeks which had less bugs and more cool features than RS5. But you all don't hire scripters like that.

Its funny how you are capable to be so arrugant about something you can't even achive yourself, the day you even script a line, your opinion might be valuable even tiny bit. And yes they've done good job in past 2 months in bug fixing, features resolving and features adding, if you can't apprecite that then you are simply arrugant a**hole, that is a fact as well. And nobody is HIRED here, people choose to spend whatever free time they have, while having to deal with work/school and etc.. to actually script for us, sure it might not be the best or the fastest scripting they provide, but its something more then you've done or have attempted to do.

And you can always go find that 2 weeks game mode and enjoy it more, while you are at it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 06:07:40 am
Critising a bad work is not being an arrogant asshole. I don't make movies, but I still critisize bad movies. I don't make games but I still critisize bad games. So does everybody. You guys for some reason praise scripters and counter the critisism with weird excuses like "you can't critisize if you don't script".

Yes, they've done a good job fixing the bugs and creating the trucker script. However the whole Rs5 job wasn't impressive like you said it was.

By hiring I didn't mean getting a paid job. I meant becoming a part of the 5eam. My friend made a really nice script in 2 weeks, which honestly was impressive. But you won't take him into the team at all. That's what I meant. U guys never open apps for other people. You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.

Please bother a minute of your life to understand what I'm trying to say. Its the truth. Even Zaila agreed that the initial RS5 was disappointing. I just didn't like that you come here saying its really impressive. It isn't. Its getting better, yes, but it isn't impressive.

If you could understand my side of the argument instead of calling me am arrogant asshole, then you'd get what I'm saying.
But instead of accepting the truth about talented scripters creating better scripts in 2 weeks, you childishly tell me to go play there because that's the best response you have.

GG sir. I hope you understand you win arguments by improving your argument. Not by ridiculing the other person. :)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: The_Real_Makaveli on September 18, 2014, 06:43:38 am
Seriously? The answer to this topic is: GTA San Andreas is old enough to attract those with really bad pc's, not good enough networks or those from foreign countries (most of us here) or those who don't have the money to pay for other pc games or those who usually play console games but only come on the pc to enter social networks or go on samp to socialize with other players since they knew them for a while or hackers that just want to have temporary fun.

This isn't a problem with Argonath, matter of fact Argonath had its own time and it still will have those same old players come back, however not very sure about new players since it's very hard for a new player to understand Argonath SA:MP without another player teaching them step by step but that's the reality.

Majority of players on SA:MP are Russians / Portuguese or other foreigners. Most populated servers are Russian servers.

If you want to do your part to get the server back in line, go tell friends by word of mouth about what SA:MP is, make sure they install the game and the mod, then tell them the server ip and start teaching them. Most cases if they are a new player they will get banned within the first week (don't ask why, it happens).

And that my friend, is the answer to your topic :)

THE END.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Hess on September 18, 2014, 08:35:01 am
You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.
There are some fairly obvious reasons why we prefer people to have been part of the community for a period of time before allowing them to develop for us.

The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc. Hiring people from outside the community simply wouldn't achieve this, and would be more likely to cause problems and disagreements due to lack of understanding of the way things work here.

The second reason is that there needs to be a level of trust and security within the development team. I don't see how accepting people who haven't been part of the community to come script for us would be very safe.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 08:46:10 am
There are some fairly obvious reasons why we prefer people to have been part of the community for a period of time before allowing them to develop for us.

The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc. Hiring people from outside the community simply wouldn't achieve this, and would be more likely to cause problems and disagreements due to lack of understanding of the way things work here.

The second reason is that there needs to be a level of trust and security within the development team. I don't see how accepting people who haven't been part of the community to come script for us would be very safe.

Who says you have to give them the entire current code to the new scripters?
Why not discuss with them what they want to help with and let THEM create the code and give it to you guys?
That way there's nothing shared with them and you don't need to have this 'trust' because they're coding something and giving it to you.

Regarding your first reason;
"The first reason is that it allows them to see what we are about, see our style, the type of roleplay involved, how our scripts currently work, etc"
To be honest, you don't need to be a scripter to know all that. Play the server for a few days and you can see the style, type of roleplay and how the scripts work. So if anybody wanted that knowledge, he could simply play here talk to people and easily get that information.

Getting 3rd party scripters into the team could really benefit the scripts of the server. Some people do it for fun and that's what they like, giving them opportunity could be a win-win situation.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 08:50:57 am
If I wasn't clear enough, I do understand the security concern. People may be able to steal the script, use it on their own server, sell it, what not.
However if we create a certain restriction, such as not giving them access to the entire code if they're new, and maybe let THEm create something on their own and give it to the scripters. They would definitely like to have their name published in the Scripting team.
Some professionals start their careers by gaining experience in such communities working for free so they can later be entitled with "blah blah experience" once they start working for a paid job.
We can benefit from these people. There may be security concerns, but there's always a way around them, you see?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 18, 2014, 09:41:13 am
Even though I barely know any scripting or programming, I can say that I would not be able to make a compatible script or plugin for a base script without completely going through the base script. Without seeing the base script I might create a script for it that may cause bugs with the base script, crash, take too much memory or even not run at all. So I believe it is necessary for any scripter to have access to the base script to be able to make a plugin that works with the base script properly.

And hiring scripters that don't have access to the main RS5 script will only cause that problem. Therefore, hiring scripters outside of the community would not be an option, or even hiring from inside of the community without giving them access to the main RS5 script.

FYI, we have had several scripters who are not part of the admin team but are scripters of servers in Argonath.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 10:11:32 am
Critising a bad work is not being an arrogant asshole. I don't make movies, but I still critisize bad movies. I don't make games but I still critisize bad games. So does everybody. You guys for some reason praise scripters and counter the critisism with weird excuses like "you can't critisize if you don't script".

Yes, they've done a good job fixing the bugs and creating the trucker script. However the whole Rs5 job wasn't impressive like you said it was.

By hiring I didn't mean getting a paid job. I meant becoming a part of the 5eam. My friend made a really nice script in 2 weeks, which honestly was impressive. But you won't take him into the team at all. That's what I meant. U guys never open apps for other people. You have to become a part of the community, play 2 years, become an admin then you can become one. People who enjoy scripting don't play. Mostly. So one thing you guys could do is to allow people from outside the community to apply for the team and script together with people who may be more talented.

Please bother a minute of your life to understand what I'm trying to say. Its the truth. Even Zaila agreed that the initial RS5 was disappointing. I just didn't like that you come here saying its really impressive. It isn't. Its getting better, yes, but it isn't impressive.

If you could understand my side of the argument instead of calling me am arrogant asshole, then you'd get what I'm saying.
But instead of accepting the truth about talented scripters creating better scripts in 2 weeks, you childishly tell me to go play there because that's the best response you have.

GG sir. I hope you understand you win arguments by improving your argument. Not by ridiculing the other person. :)
If you and example your father would build an old beautiful car you put your soul into and saw how it came as box of dust up to point you both did hard work in. And it would take you a while,sure it would,but its your own family matter and gratification is way higher.

Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch. You sure need to be apart of family,prove your pressence to community before you are able touch and deal with "old beautiful car you build with your father" ,it's not about letting people script,its about not letting people apart of family joining in and randomly going for it,while they have no past no history no bound with community.

I rather live with a pile of shitty scripts than an materialized object created by people having no clue what is Argonath all about. Improvement might be mega slow,but its going on,and thought that its Argonath people who create this,is all I need. If you are so impulsive and rushing about everything in your life,do so,but dont ask others for it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 11:11:24 am
If you and example your father would build an old beautiful car you put your soul into and saw how it came as box of dust up to point you both did hard work in. And it would take you a while,sure it would,but its your own family matter and gratification is way higher.

Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch. You sure need to be apart of family,prove your pressence to community before you are able touch and deal with "old beautiful car you build with your father" ,it's not about letting people script,its about not letting people apart of family joining in and randomly going for it,while they have no past no history no bound with community.

I rather live with a pile of shitty scripts than an materialized object created by people having no clue what is Argonath all about. Improvement might be mega slow,but its going on,and thought that its Argonath people who create this,is all I need. If you are so impulsive and rushing about everything in your life,do so,but dont ask others for it.

Let's not make up an emotional story here which you guys love doing for some reason.
Clearly the father didn't do a good job with the car because the players count dropped 70%. So instead of defending the fact we should be trying to come up with ways to make Argonath better.
You want to keep the improvement mega slow? Are you out of your mind or what? This topic is all about coming up with ways to improve argonath and move towards a better direction and get our players and rank back. And here you are defending it and saying its fine as it is. No it ain't man, we do have to rush and come up with ways to stop this community from collapsing further.

"Argonath is not a material,nor an object you can let random people touch".
Listen its a game, its a script. Calm down. I suggested and stated already that there's no need to give the entire code to the new scripters. Just tell them to script something and they give their own script to Argonath so we can use them. There's a way around it.
This will only speed up the process and help improve the current Argonath Scripts.

I'm really against this strange mentality of yours, keeping things mega slow and let the current scripters and HQ run it all by themselves. We all know how this 'strategy' ended. We have to change, you have to listen to other people instead of shutting your ears and 'doing your own thing'. You have to listen to players and opening up for 3rd party scripters is also another way of improving. Plus we do have to speed things up man, keeping it mega slow ain't getting us anywhere.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 11:20:38 am
You are definitely in your teenager years ,because it can be clearly seen you are too impulsive, or maybe just bored out of your mind , not really sure .. who knows anyway.

You can keep posting as much as you want about how all of us are moralized to community, well I'm sorry you can not understand what loyality means and understanding bounding.  You can keep talking how touching everything is, but you are not in a place to argue about it James,trust me.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 11:50:08 am
You are definitely in your teenager years ,because it can be clearly seen you are too impulsive, or maybe just bored out of your mind , not really sure .. who knows anyway.

You can keep posting as much as you want about how all of us are moralized to community, well I'm sorry you can not understand what loyality means and understanding bounding.  You can keep talking how touching everything is, but you are not in a place to argue about it James,trust me.

So that's your reasoning of why we shouldn't allow 3rd party scripters?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 11:52:19 am
So that's your reasoning of why we shouldn't allow 3rd party scripters?
You've been told various reasons why it's not going to happen,but if you open your eyes and actualy read what people post,you might end up not asking this question over and over again.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 18, 2014, 02:18:36 pm
I would never give my scripts to random person.
That's true, there are many retards out there who leak scripts just for few reputation points on SAMP forums and then at end they get banned while still there are people with the leaked script.
And not giving full script to the scripter and making him create code for it is not as easy, who knows what includes, plugins and style argonath script uses, if you just make the code without knowing such info the script won't compile or it'll either look like a nuke fell in the place where that piece of code is placed.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 03:20:27 pm
You've been told various reasons why it's not going to happen,but if you open your eyes and actualy read what people post,you might end up not asking this question over and over again.

The only argument remotely close to a reason is that Argonath is too precious and needs to live in its little cacoon away from outside world.

That's the most stupidest reason for not having outside scripters, I'm sorry.

I understand the security concerns but there's a way around them like I mentioned. If we want to improve the server well have to change.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 03:35:44 pm
The only argument remotely close to a reason is that Argonath is too precious and needs to live in its little cacoon away from outside world.

That's the most stupidest reason for not having outside scripters, I'm sorry.

I understand the security concerns but there's a way around them like I mentioned. If we want to improve the server well have to change.
I'm sorry but you definitely are not reading what people are telling you, nor you try to understand, instead you are putting everything your own way.
No one here will even discuss any concerns with you as you can't even hold an discussion without ignoring completely what people are telling you.
As I've said before,you are not in a place to speak about server improvement and changes, not to mention I find this so ironical,and most likely others do too.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 03:48:12 pm
Chris knight doesn't know what to say. Therefore he begins talking about how James doesn't understand anything and he is not in a oositition to talk about server improvement.

OK. You're irrellevent, you can't actually come up with a reason AND you're wrong.

I've discussed every valid reason provided by others, I have not been ignoring anything. You're the one who's doing that. Also, I have every right to discuss the servers improvement.

So let's discuss the servers improvement please? You keep somehow saying stuff about me and how James doesn't understand and how James this and how James that. How about actually coming up with something on topic and them posting?

Thanks!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 03:53:09 pm
So far you are only mocking that Argonath community scripters are not efficient enough,nor you appreciate they work.
So far you have only mocked community and all your "idea" improvements is decrease security and let random people touch Argonath with no regards when ever they even been playing here or had an impact. And dont get me wrong I get your view point,after all how much have you done for Argonath? I guess we all can answer.

Besides if I am the evil guy,you can ask any other administration about your inteligent way of improving server,lets see how it goes.
Just because I give you an constructive critisizm on your absurd ideology,does not means I got nothing to say.

Server will not have side scripters doesn't matter what essey you write,as I told you in first post,you have 0 clue what means bounding and community.

If some day you will learn it and value it, come back again.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 18, 2014, 03:54:22 pm
What is this... I don't even....
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kessu on September 18, 2014, 04:14:25 pm
What is this... I don't even....
I have to agree :D
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 04:16:16 pm

Chris. No random person will touch the code. What if they make scripts and give them to us instead of giving them the whole access? Do you understand that?
If we do that, there isn't a security issue. If the current team likes their work they accept it, or reject it in another case.

Can you now please give me a proper reason why we can't have other scripters.. If you don't have one just stop posting then. You're just irrelevant and keep repeating like a parrot. Its like talking to a wall bro.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 18, 2014, 04:17:49 pm
my eyes are bleeding
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 18, 2014, 04:21:54 pm
I'll make a tldr for u.

Me:  Let people from.outside the community into the scripting team without giving them access to the whole code.

Chris: No because Argonath is precious, you have to earn your way in. Even if takes 3 years. Improvement will be slow. I don't care about it, no outside scripters. Also James, what have you done for the community?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 18, 2014, 04:25:34 pm
my eyes are bleeding
my eyes too
why this font doe
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 18, 2014, 04:39:46 pm
Me:  Let people from.outside the community into the scripting team without giving them access to the whole code.

The level of... you know.. is too damn high.

In-house scripting by Argonath developers is the way it works, scripts made by those that are trusted to develop for the server not random people that could easily introduce their own exploits or problems into scripts/server.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 04:47:57 pm
Yes,we all are certainly wrong,and posting unrevelant crap aren't we James? After all you know how Argonath is and how it should be done...
Speaking of wall "bro"... paradox.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TiMoN on September 18, 2014, 05:21:12 pm
pls meke me scriptor im pro im make c00l skript explosuve dildo skirript
(http://i.gyazo.com/9bac9778faa65b8a6ce314e18968bd2b.gif)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 18, 2014, 05:48:28 pm
You should ask Gimli TiMon!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 18, 2014, 08:42:02 pm
pls meke me scriptor im pro im make c00l skript explosuve dildo skirript
(http://i.gyazo.com/9bac9778faa65b8a6ce314e18968bd2b.gif)
Parenting went wrong.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 18, 2014, 09:03:07 pm
Chris. No random person will touch the code. What if they make scripts and give them to us instead of giving them the whole access? Do you understand that?
If we do that, there isn't a security issue. If the current team likes their work they accept it, or reject it in another case.

Can you now please give me a proper reason why we can't have other scripters.. If you don't have one just stop posting then. You're just irrelevant and keep repeating like a parrot. Its like talking to a wall bro.

When you started this arguement I was with your side ... but at the end I think that they are right. HEre is a way to understand what they are saying.

You cannot give them a small part of teh code because:
Imagine trying to write a book in English ... the main part of it is in British English ... your trusted writers know it and only right in British English as they can see your main part, when writing their chapters ... other writers that will end up writing in American English , Gangster English , or even the English we foreigners use,aka fucked up ...
The outcome will obviously be lame, and hard to understand ...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 18, 2014, 09:12:09 pm
As a scripter myself... i would not let any random person from outside my community anywhere near my scripts. James you are wrong, as Charlie said in order to create a script for the server you need the base script, you can't script a feature without knowing how the account/other scripts work. I'll say this, if you don't know anything about scripting... dont post about it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 18, 2014, 10:21:00 pm
pls meke me scriptor im pro im make c00l skript explosuve dildo skirript
(http://i.gyazo.com/9bac9778faa65b8a6ce314e18968bd2b.gif)
Failed scripting, buildings didn't collapse. :(
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Leon. on September 19, 2014, 12:50:28 am
@James.
As per a solution, that is something we as a community need to discuss without heated passion standing between us. This thread appears to seek a solution, but a solution seems highly unlikely for quite some time because we are all still mad about something...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 19, 2014, 06:06:26 am
Hi.

I've been in this community since April 2008 and i enjoyed staying here pretty much until RS5 was released. I know some of you will say that i have to deal with the reset and that we have to start from scratch, i'm okay with that. But what i really think is that RS5 was made more complicated than it should be. Let's take the money system for example (and it's not the only issue, it's just an example): Back in RS3/RS4/RS4.1, to withdraw money from your bank account, all you had to do is to stand up facing the ATM and type /withdraw [Amount], same goes for the deposit operation. But now it's so much complicated that i even forgot how to do it when i re-registered for RS5. There are a lot of things that could be more simple and reasonable. I think the problems of this kind is one of the major factors that led to the drop of the amount of players.

Trust me, making ads for the server or just waiting for the new players to come won't solve this out. More effective things can and should be done to bring back the usual rate of players in the community. I'll just say what i feel, i didn't expect RS5 to be like this, considering the time it took to be released, and the preparations that people held to it. Now i'm not saying that scripters didn't do their job, infact they did what they could do and i trust them, but i guess they didn't really get the help they needed, and that the HQ should've taken into consideration the opinions or the ideas of many people, especially the ones who've been here enough to be trusted. As for the relationship between the players and the admins, i think there should be mutual respect between them. Players should be more tolerant and respectful to admins as much as admins should be less strict when it comes to applying the rules. Let me just say something, being an admin doesn't mean that you should watch every player's move and punish him severly for every single mistake he does.

I suggest that the HQ switches back to RS3, or RS4, or atleast RS4.1. I think this is a good way to fix the issue, as after doing this, advertising the community elsewhere will be more effective than doing it now. If this is totally impossible, maybe an updated version of RS5 (Let's call it RS5.1) with the same, or major scripts of RS3/RS4/RS4.1 on it, this is also a good idea. If you're still not convinced, just launch an older version of Argonath on a separate server and keep the current one as it is. You'll see the difference just few days after.

This is what i feel and what i wanted to say long time ago. It's just that i didn't have the right occasion to say it.

Regards,
 David.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 19, 2014, 06:44:17 am
Duncan you're one of that many who suggested this. Myself included.
Bit the management won't.
Inb4 no. :p
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 19, 2014, 08:43:14 am
@Duncan.

You definitely have never been apart of Argonath administration team especialy in peak of rs4, when we had 20 reports per 5 minutes,and 90 percent were valid rulebreaks including such as = attitude,trolling,bullying,abusing scripts,dming,harrasing and thats just fast cases,there is way more than that.

I get it from a side, admin always looks strict with judgement and punishments,but it's just the perspective from your eyes.
All punishments are asigned individualy by your acts,the way you comitted it,your awarnes,time in server,and way much more. Not just tempbans left to right. So you can't fix that,because in every server administration will deal accordingly to prevent your fun being ruined by someone who thinks he is above everyone else and that he should not obey the laws he agreed when registered and joined.

As about RS4 it might have been your comfy place ,but it had desynces ,bugs in horrible ammount and new scripts could not be implemented due to various changes and so many errors in server scripts by way too many different people.

Therefore RS5 was made as an clean server,made by few people together aware about all scripts they create and new scripts can be implemented as there is no errors anymore.

And don't go with "HQ doesn't listens to players bla bla"
Gimli gave you an outstanding trucker script which players enjoy.
Cops asked to remove jurisdiction,which was done either.
There is always way for improvement yes,but don't rush with your expectations, and expect HQ accepting every players idea,as people never tend to look at cons, but scripters have to.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 19, 2014, 09:35:54 am
You can use /withdraw again. Why aren't you on the server ?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 19, 2014, 05:14:20 pm
Until there's a big change in the HQ's policy, the server is gonna keep on going down and down, until it becomes one of 235235236235 other ghosts servers.

Enjoy those 15 players while you still can.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Bruce. on September 19, 2014, 05:18:10 pm
Until there's a big change in the HQ's policy, the server is gonna keep on going down and down, until it becomes one of 235235236235 other ghosts servers.

Enjoy those 15 players while you still can.

With all the respect,

Why the fuck are you still around here? Only to shit on community, cause I don't see you doing something good for the community only shitting on it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 19, 2014, 05:56:26 pm
With all the respect,

Why the f**k are you still around here?
With all do respect,

I'm here to point out the problem why is our community having a 15 players count.
I base that not only on my experience  around here, yet on having a good input into the what's awaiting the server in the future, what's the priorities, what's the ideas, how are problems gonna be solved, and what ideas are gonna be implemented.

cause I don't see you doing something good for the community only shitting on it.
That's cause you don't know much.
When I returned to the server in February, the situation was similiar as today(15-20 people count, with every group died out except Scottos, and everyone on fireduty) I started a big mobilization of people, not just Gvardia and our friends, yet even our enemies and hostiles. After two weeks of alot of work, talking in with alot of people, convincing them etc, we manage to put the player count up to 40-50 average and it stayed like that in the next 2-3 months. All of this was done with co-operation and co-working with the HQ, mostly by Devin and Zaila on their side.
But when we hit that player count, the HQ couldn't implemented the things that was necessary in order to keep that player count up, and to raise it even more.
You can ask all of them how annoying I was into trying to convince them that things must be pushed faster forward, things like:
Trucker Job, Taxi job, Medic job, and a update on the drug market, to make the only illegal job available atm profitable.
Some of the ideas we were pushing to happen, did happen fast after suggestions( Like bonuses for Taxi, Medic, and mechanic job, so people can start earning from something else except bloody fireduty), and some ideas not only that didn't happen, yet they made it worse, and top on that list, is the drug script.
I was telling people that the drug script is gonna be updated in a way, so everyone from the little drug runners, to the Bosses of the groups, would have a decent enough profit from it. I was trying to unite groups into achieving that. We had a progress in the beginning, weed was updated by Gimli and made it at least decently profitable, but heroin was still fucked up( you order heroin for 1500$, which you can sell alter on drug market for 700!!?? Means you lose 800$)

But not only that they didn't made it profitable, they killed the last will in all people I know to even give it  a go, with the last update that it was done. (Which took prices of weed down to not being to received 10 percent of income(not profit, yet income) of what you invested).

Tl;dr HQ idea of drug dealing, isnt to have it profitable, yet just to use drugs as a 'storage for money' (like gold is in real life) and that's it. This was a fatal strike to all criminal groups, people who returned on my initiative left again, they basicly did a "RS5 reset" to the drug system, just after we manage to 'grab some air' after the rs5 reset.

And trust me, every server depends on the activity of their criminal groups. Cause if populating San Fierro teached us anything, its the fact that first you need to have few strong and active groups around, then the people who play as cops come to it, and then the civilians, businessmens, then random roleplayers etc).
It doesn't work any other way, and it wont work any other way.

So yeah, like you said with all do respect toward all the people in the HQ, I know exactly what Im talking about, and what I went trough in making this place alive again, and I know exactly why after achieving a break and making the server count 40-50-60, it 'suddenly' went back to 15-20.
Its the policy of the HQ, and nothing else.
And its not even their fault, they are following the policy they were instructed by Gandalf, and I understand that they dont wanna risk doing something that might look as them doing things a bit differently then instructed, but the problem is that Gandalf isn't around for a long long time, and has no real input in what's the problems of this situations, so they are continuously basing all decisions on a outdated instructions by Gandalf, that not only gonna help change things, yet is killing this little life that's left on Argonath.

Hence the 15 players online.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 19, 2014, 06:21:22 pm
To all that let's add again 16156 admin ranks "Forum admin", "Teamspeak admin", "Server admin", "Board admin", "Community leader" etc... and at end when the server/forum/teamspeak goes down they all end up waiting for 1 person which barely comes online.
ARPD forum has been down for over 2 weeks now even with 5+ community leaders, 3+ scripters, 3+ forum admins and 3+ owners
And also I noticed scripters tend to make updates when playercount hits 30+ players, like why? can you not update when there's like 5-15 players?
And even test the script in a test server (if you're not doing that already) to prevent main server from crashing.

I think someone needs to be put into co-owner rank in which he has controls to turn services on and bring things back up once they get down, and that someone who is active and on daily.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Murt on September 19, 2014, 06:30:18 pm
And also I noticed scripters tend to make updates when playercount hits 30+ players, like why? can you not update when there's like 5-15 players?
And even test the script in a test server (if you're not doing that already) to prevent main server from crashing.


Actually, the recent script updates have brought more people back as well have had a big impact on new players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Bundy on September 19, 2014, 06:58:42 pm
-
I'm afraid this is the sad truth.

Although, I lately see scripters - Gimli in special - working his ass off scripting. Yeah, it's a little late in the day, but better late than never. I hope the scripting activity will remain like it is now, before it will be too late.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 19, 2014, 08:00:04 pm
To all that let's add again 16156 admin ranks "Forum admin", "Teamspeak admin", "Server admin", "Board admin", "Community leader" etc... and at end when the server/forum/teamspeak goes down they all end up waiting for 1 person which barely comes online.

Not all Argonath servers are on the Argonath host, you should listen to what Plam said to you a few pages back.


@Duncan.
You're late by about 8 months, discussing of bringing in RS4 is old now and people should have come to realize that that isn't a possibility.

@Cofiliano.
Drug market never meant as way to earn a large profit what would you do if it wasn't there? 
Dependant on criminal groups?  What. 

Maybe we should get back on-topic instead of trying to take low blows at the server every-time a topic like this arises.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheRock on September 20, 2014, 12:38:08 am
Instead of arguing right here, you could all be ingame now having fun.
My view on the recent event is as if; I was a dedicated player on SA:MP since late 2008 - early 2009. But there's one key-point.. back then I was 14 years old too.. I had free time for gaming! Whilst today.. I am 19 and working daily 10 hour shifts.. plus after many years of playing GTA:SA, I can say that I really got bored of it...

What I meant to say over this is that, we all grow up... interests change.. It's not only because of RS5 that dropped the player count, but from what I've seen, and to those former and even nowdays players that I had conversation with, it's mostly SA:MP getting old.. directly from main SA-MP statistics: "Players Online: 2195   Servers Online: 725".. when back at good times, it was over 60k(?) players and over 15k servers.. (I did not mean that Gandalf or other players should not be playing.. it's their community - their passion, and hey... everyone likes to play games at all ages :) )

It really saddens me the fact that SA:MP is slowly going down, but hey.. it happent to many great games and eras out there.. I feel nostalgia for CS1.6 times.. for WoW times.. SA:MP.. for everything I really enjoyed playing at! I had fights.. I had good moments.. I made friends! and enemies, but that's what it was worth for!.. That's why it's MMO and every game title warns that online experience may varay.
I personally believe that going back to RS4 is not the choice, it's not scripters nor HQs' fault for this.. It's just 'us', the players who demand more things than this community is capable of giving us.. Because when you take more than you have; You always seek for more.

Think about all the expenses Gandalf has.. He is the backbone of this, and every moment you enjoyed on any of his server.. He never had donation shits, because he gave everyone equal chances to enjoy every game, unlike other bs servers that ask for 5$ to ride a car divided from players who can not afford those 5$.. so take a moment to rethink about all this, and don't blame him.. Gimli, CBFasi, David or anyone else who coded and administrated the server, was never paid for something.. they put their free time, transforming coffee to lines (coding) in order for you to have a server to play..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 20, 2014, 01:52:14 am
I agree with Rock, all the RS5 arguing has gotten old, tiring and stupid, nobody has anything to say other than the same usual stuff that's been said since RS5 replaced RS4, everybody seems to busy b!tching about the server than being in game playing on it, so what's the point in said people even being in Argonath anymore? If you don't like the server don't go on it and don't come here to b!tch about it, is it really that hard to avoid?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 20, 2014, 03:01:17 am
@ James_Bond & Cofiliano: Thank God i'm not alone.

@ Chris_Knight: I'm not the only one who think that current admins need to change their polity a bit, many people whose opinion is considerated said that, including some ex-admins who contributed vastly to the community. As for what you mentioned about the scripts, i'm sorry but RS5 has bugs too, and some parts aren't finished yet. Yes RS4 had bugs but the content was generally good, helpful. It was fun to play in RS3, and RS4 too. In RS5, not that much. Some may say that it's just because it changed that you're saying that, and that all i will get used to it and like it once i play it. I don't think so. I've got used to many things, but couldn't with RS5. That's the truth, i can't hide it. RS5 has infact nice features, but that's not the dominating part of it.

@Stivi: If you really focus on what i said instead of just light-reading, you'd understand that the RS4 /withdraw isn't the same as the RS5 /withdraw. Read my post again and you'll understand.

@Bundy: Gimli was and still a great player, admin, and scripter of the community. I've always appreciated his huge efforts and i always will.

@Rusty: I think that the refusal of bringing back RS3/RS4/RS4.1 by any way (even a part of them) is a part of the issue.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 20, 2014, 03:05:48 am
When last were you on the server?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 20, 2014, 03:18:28 am
The beginning of this summer, around June.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 20, 2014, 03:22:47 am
Plenty has changed since then.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pandalink on September 20, 2014, 03:40:12 am
Drug market never meant as way to earn a large profit
Then are criminal groups meant to go on cop duty to earn money? Is this RS3?

Dependant on criminal groups?  What. 
Cops have absolutely no role without criminal groups existing. Without organised criminals groups (and thus cops), there isn't activity on the server for other roleplayers to get immersed. If you kill the criminal groups, you kill the server.

back then I was 14 years old too.. I had free time for gaming! Whilst today.. I am 19 and working daily 10 hour shifts.. plus after many years of playing GTA:SA, I can say that I really got bored of it...
Aside from all the other points, this is something worth mentioning.
You're now leaving the time where a generation of people who were around ~12-13 or so played GTA:SA on release in 2004. It's just an old game, man. The majority of the playerbase of the server has grown out of it - Argonath is an environment ideal for teenagers to play with rules like no flaming, no offending others, no cursing, and a rules/admin policy that frankly nobody who isn't a teenager is willing to deal with (rules defined on the fly or (e.g.) set out on page 76 of that one topic in that one post that actually contradicts page 54 of the same topic with no clarification).

RS5 was just the straw that broke the camel's back, it's like if you released a sequel of a game into a very niche genre that isn't popular anymore but you changed everything about the game. You alienate what fans you have left, and you don't actually replace them because there is no new audience. Running entirely on a static fanbase isn't sustainable at all, but you'll last just a little bit longer that way.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 20, 2014, 08:08:30 am
Yes, SAMP is failing because Argonath playercount is lower  :uhm:
http://samp.popznet.com/

Maybe it was rather because back then there were 3000 servers and now there's 5000.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 20, 2014, 09:24:44 am
@Stivi: If you really focus on what i said instead of just light-reading, you'd understand that the RS4 /withdraw isn't the same as the RS5 /withdraw. Read my post again and you'll understand.
No, you should go IG and check it out. Because, hey, last time you logged in there was no /withdraw. How could you possibly know that ?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 20, 2014, 09:35:00 am
Plenty has changed since then.
Thats nice, but the crucial changes didn't happen yet.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 20, 2014, 01:24:47 pm
Thats nice, but the crucial changes didn't happen yet.
'Crucial' change which you can't list?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 20, 2014, 11:00:22 pm
@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0. And i've registered after the reset, checked RS5, including the /withdraw command, and it was NOT the same one one as in RS4. Back in RS4 you just go near the ATM, /withdraw, and it's done. Now, you have to go to the bank, make a bank account, set the PIN, go back to the ATM, set your ATM card parameters, and then probably you can withdraw, if i'm not mistaken. See the difference? I hope so. And just an advice, stop defending a policy that has totally proved its failure.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 20, 2014, 11:01:42 pm
Well I was ingame today and we had over 50 players online.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Rusty on September 20, 2014, 11:05:04 pm
@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM

around 4 AM

4 AM

I wonder why there was zero players online then ... oh yes they'd be sleeping do you really think server is going to be populated at 4AM?   :uhm:

I can't believe you are actually having a bubble over withdrawing money from the bank is this what it's come to now? 
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Bruce. on September 20, 2014, 11:06:04 pm
@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0.
Are you serious? Dude it's 4 am and most of the players are from Europe which means people also take a sleep you know? Close their eyes and dream....And USA players are mostly inactive...We had 50 players today and we had two cool events...Find the right time to come in server and see how many players there will be online....
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 20, 2014, 11:07:34 pm
I wonder why there was zero players online then ... oh yes they'd be sleeping do you really think server is going to be populated at 4AM?   :uhm:
It signals a huge lack of Australian players. :gand:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 21, 2014, 09:16:41 am
@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0. And i've registered after the reset, checked RS5, including the /withdraw command, and it was NOT the same one one as in RS4. Back in RS4 you just go near the ATM, /withdraw, and it's done. Now, you have to go to the bank, make a bank account, set the PIN, go back to the ATM, set your ATM card parameters, and then probably you can withdraw, if i'm not mistaken. See the difference? I hope so. And just an advice, stop defending a policy that has totally proved its failure.
Well yes, then you are dumb. Sorry, I had to.

You can go to the ATM machine and use /atm > Withdraw > amount, or simply use /withdraw [amount]. The only bug there is is that you should always leave $1 in your bank account.

I do see the difference, yes. There's more ways to do something, which suits every player's way to do something. If you like a dialog box, use it. If you like a CMD, use it. If you want to go the bank, do it. 
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: ShawmMoe on September 21, 2014, 12:05:22 pm
'Crucial' change which you can't list?
They need to hit the combination of CTRL + Z ;).
Saturday morning, around 12AM and less than 20 players online. RS4 would have 70+ and increasing at this time.
But sure, keep on telling us to go ingame instead of debating whilst you ignore the problem; RS5.

RS4 reached its peak back in the days, true. But it dropped for one and one reason only; the hype followed by the dissapointment of RS5.
Minor updates here and there of RS4.1 would have done the job. If you care about increasing the player count, which btw is highly doubtful, you know what to do.
RS4.1 with a reset in stats would surely bring back the competition and fun.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CharlieKasper on September 21, 2014, 12:23:06 pm
Saturday morning, around 12AM and less than 20 players online. RS4 would have 70+ and increasing at this time.

RS4 reached its peak back in the days, true. But it dropped for one and one reason only; the hype followed by the dissapointment of RS5.
no fucking shit sherlock. Thank you for telling us that RS5 has less players than RS4 and why it happened. We did not know, captain.

RS4 won't happen, even if you capture Putin and ask for RS4.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: ShawmMoe on September 21, 2014, 12:26:25 pm
no f**king shit sherlock. Thank you for telling us that RS5 has less players than RS4 and why it happened. We did not know, captain.

RS4 won't happen, even if you capture Putin and ask for RS4.
Was only stating the obvious. If the most obvious doesn't appeal to the managers+ then oh well, you might as well throw the thread in the ocean :)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 21, 2014, 01:22:10 pm
People left because they lost their money, RS4 will still give you 0 money, when will you all fucking learn
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 21, 2014, 02:16:23 pm
People moan that HQ are strict on keeping people silent, but in this topic I think they need to be, it's time to get rid of all those moaning that the server is "shit" and saying that RS4 should be brought back, or will all this just continue on into 2015 and keep bringing everyone down because people can't just get over the fact that nothing is going to change now other than improvements to RS5, deal with it and I think it needs to be said - shut up about the "shit" server and RS4, if you don't like it, why keep coming here?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 21, 2014, 02:27:03 pm
People left because they lost their money, RS4 will still give you 0 money, when will you all f**king learn

No. People left because RS5 was extremely buggy, complicated and was built purely how the "HQ" wanted it.
While the players who played, has almost no input in the scripts, ideas, jobs etcetera. Plus HQ made a hype as if they're making GTA V but it turned out to be not as expected.

People didn't leave becaues they lost their money. When will the admins fucking learn the real issue.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 21, 2014, 02:37:17 pm
No. People left because RS5 was extremely buggy, complicated and was built purely how the "HQ" wanted it.
While the players who played, has almost no input in the scripts, ideas, jobs etcetera. Plus HQ made a hype as if they're making GTA V but it turned out to be not as expected.

People didn't leave becaues they lost their money. When will the admins f**king learn the real issue.
What did people expect out of a 10 year old game? The game was of course going to look the same it was just the scripts that would be different, I bet that if everyone kept their money they would never have left, they would have just adjusted to RS5 no matter how buggy it was at the time or atleast given scripters some time to fix some of the bugs then came back, a big problem is some of the players, some who still play on the server despite their constant shitting on it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: eymas on September 21, 2014, 02:41:00 pm
Some did leave due to the loss of assets.
Some left due to the scripts being bugged.
Some left due to their shattered expectations.
Some left due to their education/job/loss of interest.

Anything is possible, and most of us acknowledge either of these options.
There's no problem with personal opinion however. the problem usually escalates to application of your views.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 02:42:58 pm
No. People left because RS5 was extremely buggy, complicated and was built purely how the "HQ" wanted it.
While the players who played, has almost no input in the scripts, ideas, jobs etcetera. Plus HQ made a hype as if they're making GTA V but it turned out to be not as expected.

People didn't leave becaues they lost their money. When will the admins f**king learn the real issue.

So why do you still play?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 21, 2014, 03:11:58 pm
No. People left because RS5 was extremely buggy, complicated and was built purely how the "HQ" wanted it.
While the players who played, has almost no input in the scripts, ideas, jobs etcetera. Plus HQ made a hype as if they're making GTA V but it turned out to be not as expected.

People didn't leave becaues they lost their money. When will the admins f**king learn the real issue.
And you would know that because ? I mean, you were banned, no ?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 21, 2014, 03:12:57 pm
So why do you still play?

Ohhh, Luke doesn't have an argument and comes up with this thing argonath has.
"oh you don't like something? Why do you play here?? We will not listen to what you say and we have nothing in return to support ourselves, so we just say this yes."
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 21, 2014, 03:17:04 pm
Ohhh, Luke doesn't have an argument and comes up with this thing argonath has.
"oh you don't like something? Why do you play here?? We will not listen to what you say and we have nothing in return to support ourselves, so we just say this yes."
It's a valid argument, if you don't like the server why do you play here...? They have already said that the server isn't going to change so what is the point in moping round bitching?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Luke on September 21, 2014, 03:17:14 pm
Ohhh, Luke doesn't have an argument and comes up with this thing argonath has.
"oh you don't like something? Why do you play here?? We will not listen to what you say and we have nothing in return to support ourselves, so we just say this yes."

Well guessing by the way you complain about the server I would of thought you wouldn't play here, also its free until you have to pay for something your comments will be invalid in my view. Don't like something? Want change? Give the ideas on what you want to change.

Also its not the Admins fault by the way, they are just sever admins, thats all they have no input on the server, the only people do are the scripters + server owners.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 21, 2014, 03:23:22 pm
Well guessing by the way you complain about the server I would of thought you wouldn't play here, also its free until you have to pay for something your comments will be invalid in my view. Don't like something? Want change? Give the ideas on what you want to change.

Also its not the Admins fault by the way, they are just sever admins, thats all they have no input on the server, the only people do are the scripters + server owners.

Dear Luke, if you bothered to read all my posts here you'd find lots of ideas I suggested. But you look at one post and judge people and come up with useless arguments.

I never blamed the admins. I used the phrase "When will the admins fucking learn" as a reply to your kind and dearest admin who blames it on players with "When will you guys fucking learn".   :)

Just wanted to prove Emmet wrong. No need to go ham on me for blaming admins. We all know who's fault it is.

I suggest ya'll start discussions suggestions given instead of derailin' and discussing the obvious.
We all have agreed that's its RS5. Now we've all input varoius ideas to improve RS5, can we move on with the discussion?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 21, 2014, 03:26:45 pm
Dear Luke, if you bothered to read all my posts here you'd find lots of ideas I suggested. But you look at one post and judge people and come up with useless arguments.

I never blamed the admins. I used the phrase "When will the admins f**king learn" as a reply to your kind and dearest admin who blames it on players with "When will you guys f**king learn".   :)

Just wanted to prove Emmet wrong. No need to go ham on me for blaming admins. We all know who's fault it is.

I suggest ya'll start discussions suggestions given instead of derailin' and discussing the obvious.
We all have agreed that's its RS5. Now we've all input varoius ideas to improve RS5, can we move on with the discussion?
No need to contradict yourself..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: ShawmMoe on September 21, 2014, 05:00:36 pm
Now we've all input varoius ideas to improve RS5, can we move on with the discussion?
They won't learn and apparently we won't learn either. Not much to gain from discussing when the other side of the table keeps the "go ingame instead of moaning" mentality.
They made a great SA:MP server and they are the reason for its downfall. Not because of its age (lame reason btw look at other games/servers) or because of 300+ players being moneyhungry.

But hey, accepting reality is always the most difficult part. I'll give you that :)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 21, 2014, 08:23:37 pm
@Stivi: Listen buddy, you're here since 2012 and i'm here since 2008. I know how Argonath was and is now. Back in RS3/RS4/RS4.1, around 4 AM, yes 4 AM, there was atleast 20 players. You didn't know that i guess, oh wait! That's because you weren't there. Calling people dumb because you failed to prove your point won't get you anywhere buddy. It's not about realising every player's ideas and dreams, because this is stupid, but i'm talking about facts, i'm answering many questions of who wonder why the rate of players in Argonath RPG has dropped. Now i'm not saying that the HQ must or should roll back to RS3/RS4/RS4.1, simply because i can't and i'm not allowed to. If it's realised, even after a while, you'll see the difference. If not, trust me buddy, i have nothing to lose, because all i did was explaining the main, real reasons of this issue.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 21, 2014, 08:29:51 pm
RS4 with a rollback won't bring back anyone.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 21, 2014, 08:57:36 pm
@Stivi: Listen buddy, you're here since 2012 and i'm here since 2008.
Yes you're virtually older  than me. But not smarter :rofl:

I know how Argonath was and is now.
No.

Back in RS3/RS4/RS4.1, around 4 AM, yes 4 AM, there was atleast 20 players. You didn't know that i guess, oh wait! That's because you weren't there.
Sherlock, we know the player count dropped. That's not because of /withdraw, though.

Calling people dumb because you failed to prove your point won't get you anywhere buddy.
I've said it before, but I'll repeat for you, because not-dumb people need re-phrasing. /withdraw is the same. Get another argument.

It's not about realising every player's ideas and dreams, because this is stupid, but i'm talking about facts, i'm answering many questions of who wonder why the rate of players in Argonath RPG has dropped.
You can only speak of yourself. /withdraw is not the same as rs4 is not a fact, it's bullshit.

Now i'm not saying that the HQ must or should roll back to RS3/RS4/RS4.1, simply because i can't and i'm not allowed to. If it's realised, even after a while, you'll see the difference. If not, trust me buddy, i have nothing to lose, because all i did was explaining the main, real reasons of this issue.
That being /withdraw and said from a guy last entering the server on June. I see.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Manoni on September 21, 2014, 10:49:58 pm
I know how Argonath was and is now.

You are not even active, therefore you know nothing about how Argonath is now. Get your ass in game and then feel free to say your bullshits, otherwise don't talk.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 22, 2014, 04:36:42 pm
'Crucial' change which you can't list?
They know what I'm talking about. Read my previous reply for a input.

Also I conquer with Panda.

RS4 with a rollback won't bring back anyone.

That's true as well.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 22, 2014, 04:47:31 pm
We need Aragorn back. There is no one who could have competed with him, no current developer / manager / division leader / community leader.
Having Gandalf back would as active would be a bonus.

In response to James, Mikal and Luke.
Scripts and community do not go hand in hand.

People did not just leave Argonath because of scripts. Those that are still here are because they feel a part of the community and this is superior in the tiny human mind than the actual game script. People who may have left may have thought they was lied to, or scammed, or just saw no fun in playing.  We will never really know and the worst thing you three can do is speculate and in fighting on things you just have little understanding of. It is not simply one side vs the other, you must consider all factors.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: DamienT on September 22, 2014, 04:57:57 pm
The server needs back all of the Anim Objects, More SAPD RP Equipement and Vehicles (Towtrucks,Cones, Vests, etc etc) The Full FD/EMS Equipment back, the Train, and other things that were removed, and the best intent in terms of development to resemble Rs4, then, the people will return.. :gand: :app:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 22, 2014, 05:08:14 pm
The server needs back all of the Anim Objects, More SAPD RP Equipement and Vehicles (Towtrucks,Cones, Vests, etc etc) The Full FD/EMS Equipment back, the Train, and other things that were removed, and the best intent in terms of development to resemble Rs4, then, the people will return.. :gand: :app:

Yes those was interesting features, and I play on other servers which allow me to be Blackonese with CJ Head, and I this improves my roleplay because it's more fun.

Either way, that's but a single part of it. Thankfully it's not really the case here but a server will have 0 players if the Management / Staff / Veterans are shitting on the new players and generally being asses, even if it had decent scripts.

A strong community and management which understands and takes into accounts all of its players views is a good one.

A blanket Autocratic management styles is not the best.
A blanket laissez faire management style would only encourage mistakes.
A democratic management style can be useful.  But without good leadership it turns into in fighting.



As mentioned before. We need Aragorn back.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 22, 2014, 06:33:22 pm
No that's wrong, we dont need Aragorn cause Aragorn today doesn't have time and energy to spend, the same way he had back in the days. Same goes for Gandalf.
People have families, their own busy lifes and such, you can't base the server stability and development on their presence around, its more then amazing not to mention enough, that they keep paying not a small amount of money, to keep this servers and forums up, and the rest of us(you) can't make it stable without them constantly being around? In long term we'll come back to where we started.
We need to make this server stable and popular again, by ourselves, not waiting for Ron or Ronnel to  show up and solve all our problems with their magic stick.
For that to happen the HQ must change their policy and approach.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 22, 2014, 06:45:08 pm
No that's wrong, we dont need Aragorn cause Aragorn today doesn't have time and energy to spend, the same way he had back in the days. Same goes for Gandalf.
People have families, their own busy lifes and such, you can't base the server stability and development on their presence around, its more then amazing not to mention enough, that they keep paying not a small amount of money, to keep this servers and forums up, and the rest of us(you) can't make it stable without them constantly being around? In long term we'll come back to where we started.
We need to make this server stable and popular again, by ourselves, not waiting for Ron or Ronnel to  show up and solve all our problems with their magic stick.
For that to happen the HQ must change their policy and approach.

Ok so what should this "HQ" do?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 22, 2014, 07:43:16 pm
Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 22, 2014, 08:30:35 pm
SA-MP is dying out anyway
(http://www.ikingssgc.com/forums/index.php?attachments/turbo_facepalm_by_specialvore-d69viv5-png.3509/)

Indeed, from 2000 servers to 5000, from 20 000 players to 50 000.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: DamienT on September 22, 2014, 08:32:19 pm
Not true Matthew, there is other SA:MP Servers that go to 500 people a day, and etc, we need to get back onto that fast lane!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on September 22, 2014, 09:54:40 pm
Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.

Samp still is hanging on.

Have you seen the amount of Russian servers? I have seen 6 different Russian servers with on average 350 players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Tiny on September 22, 2014, 10:02:48 pm
It's strange how people still discuss and moan about the current problems instead of facing and solving them. It's very easy to state the shitloads of issues we got, but let's get them fixed instead.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on September 22, 2014, 10:36:39 pm
Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.

Keep blaming the HQ, keep saying we ruined the server and how we killed the playerbase.
You yourself are not active, neither is your "family", you should not be passing comments about how the server is and should be when you are not aware of the current situation of the server.

Enough bullshit, enough blaming the HQ for every little thing you are not pleased with. Get some activity then we can talk.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Cofiliano on September 23, 2014, 03:44:14 am
Keep blaming the HQ, keep saying we ruined the server and how we killed the playerbase.
You yourself are not active, neither is your "family", you should not be passing comments about how the server is and should be when you are not aware of the current situation of the server.

Enough bullshit, enough blaming the HQ for every little thing you are not pleased with. Get some activity then we can talk.
I'm not blaming the HQ, I'm blaming the HQ policy. And no its not the same thing.
I was active and so was my Family  active Devin, and a big number of people who we were convincing to come back as well, and we didn't bring just our friends yet many random people back, and we already had a talk, in which you(not you personally) guys were more then stubborn in your intentions of how you gonna develop things. After that you basically pulled out a 'rs5 reset' on the drug system by the last update and killed the last and only thing we were relaying on in order to develop groups into being bigger, stronger, more organized, with way more roleplay and fun etc. And I'm talking about small groups, who just started.
So we already tried the 'activity then talk', and it end up in you guys destroying all the progress we build for 2 months. And let me remind you, it was 10 players online average when we came back, it raised to an average of 35-40 people.
And Im being harsh here when I use the word 'destroyed', you guys didn't do it intentionally, yet you didn't wanna step a little out of the outdated instructions that leads no where. And here we are today.
The only guy who actually made some progress and supported the ideas we gave was Gimli, but his updated was changed later on by Zaila.

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 23, 2014, 06:28:12 am
@Stivi: I'm older than you both in real life and in-game. Oh and "Sherlock", I pointed out earlier that /withdraw was just an example, not the entire issue. Normal people would understand what i've said, not just smart people, i guess you're neither of these. Oh yeah, i last entered the server on September 20th, 2014. Correct your informations, "Sherlock".

@Manoni: I've been IG last Saturday, and i'm not saying bullshit, i'm saying the truth that you and your "Sherlock Friends" keep denying.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 23, 2014, 07:18:57 am
Being in game for 1 day doesn't make you "Active", i still dont see any reasons as to why rs5 should be changed. Its been simplified enough, we..atleast i dont need anything more simple. IMO with so much  "hatred" towards the scripters and their effort, they should stop scripting for you guys. Learn to adapt changes otherwise good luck with life
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 23, 2014, 08:47:23 am
@Stivi: I'm older than you both in real life and in-game. Oh and "Sherlock", I pointed out earlier that /withdraw was just an example, not the entire issue. Normal people would understand what i've said, not just smart people, i guess you're neither of these. Oh yeah, i last entered the server on September 20th, 2014. Correct your informations, "Sherlock".

@Manoni: I've been IG last Saturday, and i'm not saying bullshit, i'm saying the truth that you and your "Sherlock Friends" keep denying.
Give me another example. I'll prove you're dumb once again.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Duncan_James on September 23, 2014, 05:03:22 pm
@Axison: You may want to consider again using the word "simplified".

@Stivi: Grow up and stop calling people who have other opinions than yours "dumb", Sherlock.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 23, 2014, 05:09:42 pm
@Axison: You may want to consider again using the word "simplified".
I am very well aware of what words i used and i mean them. RS5 is NOT complicated, it was modified and made simple for people who thought it was Srs-RP and complicated
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Manoni on September 23, 2014, 05:19:15 pm
Grow up and stop calling people who have other opinions than yours "dumb", Sherlock.

Only because your "opinions" are not matching the others does not mean that you are smarter than them. Age has nothing to do with intelligence nor maturity and that is a fact, not only proven here but on many places and situations. Also in my opinion, your replies are not showing any signs of maturity. Keep that in mind for your next post.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 23, 2014, 06:55:07 pm
@Stivi: Grow up and stop calling people who have other opinions than yours "dumb", Sherlock.
Most people here share different opinions from mine. You're the only one I'm calling dumb, well, because you kinda are. Still didn't get other reasons why RS5 is over-complicated, or even just complicated. "Sherlock" is not used in every sentence.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 23, 2014, 07:17:43 pm
@Stivi: I'm older than you both in real life and in-game.
You seem to think age means you know more.. :dead:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 23, 2014, 09:16:29 pm
Many arguments for rather unimportant things in this topic. I'm not blaming anyone as I did part take in the first one. I haven't posted for a few days so here is a sum up.

RS4 will not get back, if it does get back nothing will change at all, instead you'll probably lose more players. Players didn't only leave because of the scripts, their life, the reset, and the fact that some of their friend could've left are also in there. Though I'm afraid that I think that it mostly goes on the money reset, which will stil lbe the case if we get back to RS4.

RS5 could use a few improvements, either it does or I am dumb aswell. Should they be major? I think not, we cannot really afford major changes, maybe some key points? I don't know.

There were some other things I wanted to post, but I really don't remember them, I might just re-read the whole thing and post once again. Though let's just concentrate on our target...

Aww and I remembered one of them. To every person who added these three phrases(or similar) in their arguments: Bring RS4 back, If you don't like it just leave, This is the scripters' fault.
Well your whole argument no matter how good or bad it could be was simply ruined by adding one of those phrases inside it.
No RS4 is not a solution coz another money reset will make us lose more players(and especially the new ones)
No I will allow from anyone to tell me or anyone who cares to post here to leave because I don't like something, I want to stay, and so do they and that's why we invest time into even thinking about what is said here, if not for also posting.
No this is not on the scripters, they had clear instructions, when ever they went off them they did it for us, and usually did good job there. BUT this is on their numbers and on us who shit on them. We made many of them lose interest, and to be fair with you, if they are like 10( I really don't know the number) and it took 2 years for them to make RS5(also don't know the number), then they simply should be more. Even though my scripting knowledge is like a few inches from the bottom of the ocean I still find the time this took too much, no matter how complicated it wat. Somehow more scripters should've been working on this.
Btw this goes to everyone who posted this, from new players, mafia leaders, police officers and so on to managers... Just saying coz I was also called an admin cookie lover. ;)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: JackWhite on September 23, 2014, 09:35:10 pm
IMO with so much  "hatred" towards the scripters and their effort, they should stop scripting for you guys. Learn to adapt changes otherwise good luck with life
This is where the problem is, if Argonath want their players to stick to the community, THEY need to listen to the PLAYERS and the community, and they need to adapt the scripts to what the community want. Tell me I'm wrong, but hey, thats how it works.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 23, 2014, 09:38:30 pm
This is where the problem is, if Argonath want their players to stick to the community, THEY need to listen to the PLAYERS and the community, and they need to adapt the scripts to what the community want. Tell me I'm wrong, but hey, thats how it works.

The thing is that "THEY" should not be refered to the scripters ... "THEY" should be refered to the ones that decide what the scripters script(lol) .
And that's where "THE" problem starts
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: JackWhite on September 23, 2014, 09:41:08 pm
The thing is that "THEY" should not be refered to the scripters ... "THEY" should be refered to the ones that decide what the scripters script(lol) .
And that's where "THE" problem starts
Concidering what I read from the scripters, they agree with the leaders though.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 23, 2014, 09:42:51 pm
I also saw several people crying their shit off at a "politicians" funeral in Korea(Don't remember specifics).
They see it in a different way, that the fact that many of them try to bend their orders proves more than what you think... Or atleast that's what I believe.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 23, 2014, 09:51:13 pm
I also saw several people crying their shit off at a "politicians" funeral in Korea(Don't remember specifics).
They see it in a different way, that the fact that many of them try to bend their orders proves more than what you think... Or atleast that's what I believe.
That'd be Kim Jong Il's funeral. :rolleyes:

Eitherway, RS5 needs /piss and /use briefcase then it's done, gg.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Leon. on September 26, 2014, 11:53:39 am
This is where the problem is, if Argonath want their players to stick to the community, THEY need to listen to the PLAYERS and the community, and they need to adapt the scripts to what the community want. Tell me I'm wrong, but hey, thats how it works.
RS5 was largely based upon user ideas. Whether the ideas were poorly executed or were not for the better of the community, who knows.

Maybe HQ knew what was best after all.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 26, 2014, 03:54:39 pm
RS5 was just a boost to move on for community players. Cofi mentioned life,achievements,family and so on. RS5 just gave a reason to go for it even more than usual.

Even if RS5 would be turned back into RS4,it's just a name and that's it. Scripts would be still buggy and not effective,besides current complete crap drug script.  Argonath just had it's life,and now it slowly goes by with what is left, it aint going to be the same anymore, so be happy if you have an folder full of old screenshots, because those might be your last.

Not trying to be negative or anything, but best outcome what this server can get is new player base,with new stories and new history. But don't be grumpy and stop asking for your old times,they're gone so either adapt or stay grumpy and be one of those old ladies in a bus who shout how good times were PSRS . While it's 2014.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on September 26, 2014, 04:12:09 pm
Even if RS5 would be turned back into RS4,it's just a name and that's it.

Bro
Bro.
Bro...

Thats.. like..the most stupid thing I've read since I joined Argonath in 20/10/2010.
 :app:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on September 26, 2014, 04:57:24 pm
With the multiplayer capabilities of most games released in the past several years, stop dreaming that people will show up from nowhere to play a decade old game on a server that still has a lot to wish for. The community is living off of dinosaurs or people with ancient computers, and those dinosaurs have to move on, as they have been doing for the past year.

Posting a forum topic describing the problem will get you nowhere, so I'm guessing the only reason you posted this is to get negative feedback and then moan about getting negative feedback. Judging by your posts, you've achieved both.
RS5 was largely based upon user ideas.
Yes - a SELECTION of user ideas. Or in some cases, selected parts of selection of user ideas.
Concidering what I read from the scripters, they agree with the leaders though.
Because no one in their right mind would argue about leaders' decisions in public forums, you silly baboon.
Enough bullshit, enough blaming the HQ for every little thing you are not pleased with. Get some activity then we can talk.
How's Gandalf these days?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Bundy on September 26, 2014, 05:07:59 pm
How's Gandalf these days?
(http://i.imgur.com/d09kvvP.jpg)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 26, 2014, 05:15:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/d09kvvP.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/08/article-0-02BB8838000005DC-279_468x428.jpg)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on September 26, 2014, 05:15:59 pm
Laughed more than I should have ^
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Hess on September 26, 2014, 05:23:26 pm
One of the key things I've noticed is that most people like Argonath because of the community, the people, the friendships.

When the SA:MP server became popular in it's earlier days, the community grew rapidly. However, people not only stayed in the community to play the same SA:MP server. They also stayed because of the vibrant community Argonath was and how well everyone got along. I can certainly vouch for this, and have personally made several friends over the years through Argonath. Some are even now real life friends.

I stopped playing SA:MP some time ago, even before RS5. So therefore, I cannot say that the reason I stopped playing SA:MP was because I disliked RS5. That would have no credit to it as I have not even registered there. I simply lost interest in SA:MP over a year ago. Sure, I had so many fun times, and many memories were made in SA:MP. However, after some time I often lose interest in playing the same game. It took me a long time to lose interest in SA:MP, but it eventually happened.

SA:MP as a mod has been around for a long time, and will probably continue to be around for several years to come. However, games don't stay popular forever.

Argonath's strong point is the community and its people, and as long as the community and people are here, so will Argonath remain (as obvious as it seems). However, I know a few people (including myself) who don't spend as much time gaming, for various reasons, but continue to be part of the community because they enjoy catching up with the friends they've made in their time in Argonath. That is what they like about Argonath. That is what I like about Argonath.

My two cents.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 26, 2014, 05:51:30 pm
RS5 is great, anyone who says it's shit just cannot be bothered RPing or earning back the stuff they lost in the transition from RS4 to RS5.

From my experience, there's hardly any noticeable bugs, the server isn't laggy and money can easily be earned through trucking, stop moaning and come play people!!!! :janek:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 26, 2014, 06:02:04 pm
Hmm why were my post removed...? Board Moderators,are you sure you're doing your job right? Cuz i know for a fact that my post had nothing "negative" or "provocative" content in it
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on September 26, 2014, 06:20:06 pm
RS5 is great, anyone who says it's shit just cannot be bothered RPing or earning back the stuff they lost in the transition from RS4 to RS5.

From my experience, there's hardly any noticeable bugs, the server isn't laggy and money can easily be earned through trucking, stop moaning and come play people!!!! :janek:
(http://www.goffredoconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tell-me-more.jpg)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Hess on September 26, 2014, 06:34:57 pm
Hmm why were my post removed...? Board Moderators,are you sure you're doing your job right? Cuz i know for a fact that my post had nothing "negative" or "provocative" content in it
I don't see any recent history of your posts being deleted from this topic.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Chris_Knight on September 26, 2014, 06:45:33 pm
Bro
Bro.
Bro...

Thats.. like..the most stupid thing I've read since I joined Argonath in 20/10/2010.
 :app:
Then you definitely haven't read your posts yet.  :cop:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 26, 2014, 07:20:50 pm
(http://www.goffredoconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tell-me-more.jpg)
There's no more to tell, RS5 is great, it's the players that refuse to play it that are the problem!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 26, 2014, 07:35:36 pm
God... people who say SAMP is losing popularity because of 1 server.... makes me wanna smack the screen into the wall and burn it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on September 26, 2014, 07:38:17 pm
God... people who say SAMP is losing popularity because of 1 server.... makes me wanna smack the screen into the wall and burn it.
SAMP is losing popularity

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: .Matthew. on September 26, 2014, 08:07:37 pm
Maybe you should look a bit outside rather than just in the hallway of Argonath RPG.

http://samp.popznet.com/

Only thing that lost players is Argonath. And that is mostly due to RS5 which most of them hated for some reason.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 26, 2014, 08:47:03 pm
I don't see any recent history of your posts being deleted from this topic.
Hmm, so posts are randomly disappearing...?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on September 27, 2014, 02:41:28 am
There's no more to tell, RS5 is great, it's the players that refuse to play it that are the problem!
Some choice of words you have there, it's no one's obligation to play it.

Most people gave it a fair shot, myself included (heck, more than a fair shot), and at the end of the day, decided not to play it. So what's changed now? Instead of everyone driving around in fire trucks, now everyone drives around in roadtrains and linerunners? Rushing like hell back to the trucking points instead of fire stations? Helluva RP at the weight check points instead of fire missions?

For a game mode that's supposed to be a complete overhaul and improvement of scripts, it leaves a damn lot to be desired, even 9 months after it's release. But then again, I can't imagine DLs and CLs being able to go far with introducing new things when the person in charge of approving and guiding all the releases has grown out of SA:MP as well.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: IrOnMiNd on September 27, 2014, 06:02:18 am
Hi, where may I see if the server is online? And, is this (samp.argonathrpg.com:7777) the ip of the game?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on September 27, 2014, 06:47:53 am
Hi, where may I see if the server is online? And, is this (samp.argonathrpg.com:7777) the ip of the game?
The server was moved to a temporary IP : 92.222.221.246:7777
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: ShawmMoe on September 27, 2014, 10:24:44 am
I stopped playing SA:MP some time ago, even before RS5. So therefore, I cannot say that the reason I stopped playing SA:MP was because I disliked RS5. However, after some time I often lose interest in playing the same game. It took me a long time to lose interest in SA:MP, but it eventually happened.
As did so many others. If I may take a guess, then I would say you lost interest at the time when the talk about RS5 was at its highest. People went nuts as RS5 was delayed time and time again. Talk about any game normally settles down after its release. Notice how hot the discussion about RS5 was before its release and yet people to this day still talk about it  ;)

However, games don't stay popular forever.
If the people who run the game dissapear, then yea chances are their game doesn't stay popular.
Either way, Argo SA:MP could have been at much much better state than it is now. Fact.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 28, 2014, 06:52:24 pm
Pingster no I did not make this topic to point out the wrong opinions of other people. If I did it I'm sorry, it just happens to be what I believe. Also the script may or may not be good, this is not what I care about and obviously not what many care about. The thing is that it is not attractive, and I will be fair with you. I'm only here for my friends and the groups nothing more. The trucker script is nice, but it's also borring just like the fire script. No I do not know how to make them more fun... I also find collecting drugs borring, but many are blinded of the cash it gives and do it anyway. The only money making way that I don't find borring is the police job and the drug dealer job(the ones who only buy it). If we want more players, we have to make it more attractive ... ANd yeah people going arround with trucks is no difference to people waiting outside of any FD and then going crazy when a fire comes out. It did raise our member count, but it made no difference to the RP rate in many cases...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on September 28, 2014, 07:03:48 pm
Pingster no I did not make this topic to point out the wrong opinions of other people. If I did it I'm sorry, it just happens to be what I believe. Also the script may or may not be good, this is not what I care about and obviously not what many care about. The thing is that it is not attractive, and I will be fair with you. I'm only here for my friends and the groups nothing more. The trucker script is nice, but it's also borring just like the fire script. No I do not know how to make them more fun... I also find collecting drugs borring, but many are blinded of the cash it gives and do it anyway. The only money making way that I don't find borring is the police job and the drug dealer job(the ones who only buy it). If we want more players, we have to make it more attractive ... ANd yeah people going arround with trucks is no difference to people waiting outside of any FD and then going crazy when a fire comes out. It did raise our member count, but it made no difference to the RP rate in many cases...
If you just sit round the forums moaning the server won't get any better, you moan about the player count and yet you're never in-game, I've only been unbanned for a week or two and I've already noticed the player count rising, and also, make jobs less boring by roleplaying or working with other people.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on September 28, 2014, 07:48:06 pm
Division/Community leaders and the managers need to forget about Gandalf and start doing what they think is right by them and the players, what's the point of the position otherwise? If everyone keeps waiting for him to return until something happens, well, we can wait until the end of the time, with no results.

All the big talk about roadplan and other whatnot from Gandalf, and nothing is happening still. Why do you think people gave up on RS5? All the effort into making a versatile script that would be the final purely because it's got infrastructure for doing everything your heart desires, and yet nothing is happening. Let's wait then. Been waiting 9 months so far, he showed up for a couple of days, now what, keep waiting another 9 months? 18 months?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kostas on September 28, 2014, 07:58:02 pm
If you just sit round the forums moaning the server won't get any better, you moan about the player count and yet you're never in-game, I've only been unbanned for a week or two and I've already noticed the player count rising, and also, make jobs less boring by roleplaying or working with other people.

THat's the funny part, I was active. I went inactive for like a week now due to a new game called Archeage... And about the roleplay part... why do you think I'm in the Hinterland Logistics? Anyway, adding RP is the only way to make them more fun, but they are made out of routines... I hate routines. And the server has been raising since the day this topic was made(just a coincidence).
I still do think that we should make it more attractive.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on September 28, 2014, 08:01:16 pm
start doing what they think is right by them and the players,

Yes
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pandalink on September 29, 2014, 06:15:17 pm
7. The amount of thanklessness and ingratitude in this community is way too much. The staff are not perfect; they are not robots, and they are humans with feelings and flaws too. But all of them, from the newest moderator up to Aragorn and Gandalf give plenty of our free time, effort, and -in some cases- money (without any return) to make this community possible.
Every player gives their free time and effort in the same way.
Being a mod or admin is not some really hard work job that you need to be "thanked" for doing, and if you think it is then you shouldn't be one.
Complimented on good performance? Sure. But thanked merely for being an admin? Why?

If somebody gives you a gift at Christmas, you thank them and accept it graciously even if you don't like it, because it's the thought that counts and the person giving it to you is someone you care about, so that's just what you do.
The same is not true of something like the scripts or admin work. It is not the thought that counts, the results are what matter and if people don't like the results then they aren't going to lie about it and be thankful.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: =AV=Rob on September 29, 2014, 06:32:53 pm
Division/Community leaders and the managers need to forget about Gandalf and start doing what they think is right by them and the players, what's the point of the position otherwise? If everyone keeps waiting for him to return until something happens, well, we can wait until the end of the time, with no results.

All the big talk about roadplan and other whatnot from Gandalf, and nothing is happening still. Why do you think people gave up on RS5? All the effort into making a versatile script that would be the final purely because it's got infrastructure for doing everything your heart desires, and yet nothing is happening. Let's wait then. Been waiting 9 months so far, he showed up for a couple of days, now what, keep waiting another 9 months? 18 months?

Why did most people give up on RS5? RS5 was made the way the Owner wanted it instead of how the players and scriptwriters wanted it and now look at the player base. Sure he is the owner and he can have things how he likes but he doesn't actually play SA:MP.
The community leaders should make decisions for the benefits of the players and themselves without having to consult the owner, that's why those ranks exist imo.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Frank_Hawk on October 04, 2014, 10:54:58 am
RS5 was the wrong decision at the wrong time with the wrong people.

Strategically, it was the worst decision the HQ made collectively to date.

Seeing the damage in-game, the wider community attempted to overturn it:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103727.msg1659897#msg1659897

Despite the overwhelming majority for RS4, we remained on RS5.

RS5 was not as successful as its predecessor because:

-   RS4 functionality was stripped out of RS5 without proper or agreed justification
-   Requirements / new features were ‘secretly’ agreed and not made transparent
-   Lack of support for groups who were the back bone of RS4 (i.e. Gvardia, Corleone)
-   Pre-mature implementation (the code base was not ready for a full release)
-   Economic stagnation owing to outdated restrictions enforced by Gandalf
-   Loyal and respected players left due to the inconsideration bestowed to them
-   Tight and unrealistic conditions on those who qualify for in-game funding
-   SA:MP’s deteriorating standing in the gaming world
-   It was the wrong decision, at the wrong time with the wrong people.

In hope of a remediation plan – what do you all suggest?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kaze on October 04, 2014, 11:01:53 am
RS5 was the wrong decision at the wrong time with the wrong people.

Strategically, it was the worst decision the HQ made collectively to date.

Seeing the damage in-game, the wider community attempted to overturn it:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103727.msg1659897#msg1659897

Despite the overwhelming majority for RS4, we remained on RS5.

RS5 was not as successful as its predecessor because:

-   RS4 functionality was stripped out of RS5 without proper or agreed justification
-   Requirements / new features were ‘secretly’ agreed and not made transparent
-   Lack of support for groups who were the back bone of RS4 (i.e. Gvardia, Corleone)
-   Pre-mature implementation (the code base was not ready for a full release)
-   Economic stagnation owing to outdated restrictions enforced by Gandalf
-   Loyal and respected players left due to the inconsideration bestowed to them
-   Tight and unrealistic conditions on those who qualify for in-game funding
-   SA:MP’s deteriorating standing in the gaming world
-   It was the wrong decision, at the wrong time with the wrong people.

In hope of a remediation plan – what do you all suggest?

This summarised it all up. I would still prefer RS4 to return. It's just a shame the HQ are too arrogant.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on October 04, 2014, 11:36:57 am
It's just a shame the HQ are too arrogant.

Yeah totally mate. Sure thing buddy.  :app:
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Kaze on October 04, 2014, 12:49:48 pm
Yeah totally mate. Sure thing buddy.  :app:

Love you too <3
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mr. Goobii on October 04, 2014, 05:36:18 pm
Funny topic. Hilarious!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Spike. on October 04, 2014, 06:07:45 pm
It looks like the only thing we have to put in line are the forums...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Thom on October 05, 2014, 08:11:00 am
In my opinion it's because the RS5 Script is too complicated for a newbie to understand,so he gets bored and goes to another server.. I remember when we used to be like 100 players and we were saying 'Come on when RS5 will come?'
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Archie on October 05, 2014, 10:08:34 am
Is main server back online?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Spike. on October 05, 2014, 10:13:24 am
Is main server back online?

It looks like it, but no one is there :P
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Slavik on October 05, 2014, 03:52:24 pm
Tried to log in, cant.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on October 05, 2014, 04:11:04 pm
Temp server can't stay online because of DDoS and can't log in on main server because no login screen appears.. GG..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on October 07, 2014, 01:05:20 am
In my opinion it's because the RS5 Script is too complicated for a newbie to understand,so he gets bored and goes to another server.. I remember when we used to be like 100 players and we were saying 'Come on when RS5 will come?'
When was the last time you logged in? I've said it countless times and will say it again, RS5 is NOT complicated. If you think it is, please give a valid reason and support it with evidence.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on October 07, 2014, 10:38:27 am
When was the last time you logged in? I've said it countless times and will say it again, RS5 is NOT complicated. If you think it is, please give a valid reason and support it with evidence.
It's not too complicated but it's more complicated than RS4..

- Medics cannot heal you in an ambulance so you have to go all the way to a hospital with them to get healed, why would you when theres food shops all round?

- Taxi drivers are virtually useless due to the larger amount of state cars in RS5 so once again nobody goes on driver duty as nobody will call for a taxi, oh, not that we can call for a taxi because theres no /taxi anymore - Yet another RS5 complication.

- We can't simply set a hit on someone due to the fact we have to find some location to do it, and so by the time you're done finding the sethit location you might aswell just go and do the job yourself.

- Businesses cannot even make any money, you'll spend some time saving money up to get a business and take out a loan to buy it, only to find out the business won't help to pay the loan due to the fact that a year into RS5, a major script such as ordering stock is not even added.

RS5 has it's upsides, more than downsides, but it's the fact that some of the downsides are so huge that makes people dislike it, when was the last time a dev/scripter talked about bugs being fixed or of the progress about things like business stock being added? HQ doesn't even post with reasons when there's downtime anymore and in my eyes it feels like they have given up on the server, which makes me want to give up on it aswell.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on October 07, 2014, 06:53:50 pm
- Medics cannot heal you in an ambulance so you have to go all the way to a hospital with them to get healed, why would you when theres food shops all round?
There were shops in rs4 as well. Firemen used medics, and rarely some rp scenarios.

- Taxi drivers are virtually useless due to the larger amount of state cars in RS5 so once again nobody goes on driver duty as nobody will call for a taxi, oh, not that we can call for a taxi because theres no /taxi anymore - Yet another RS5 complication.
Same as in rs4. /taxi missing isn't a complication. Just a bug that needs time. There has also been suggestions by players like calling a certain number that will work like 911 for drivers.

- We can't simply set a hit on someone due to the fact we have to find some location to do it, and so by the time you're done finding the sethit location you might aswell just go and do the job yourself.
I can't argue on that, but at some post Teddy made, there were supposed to be multiple trash cans, maybe 1 per city.

- Businesses cannot even make any money, you'll spend some time saving money up to get a business and take out a loan to buy it, only to find out the business won't help to pay the loan due to the fact that a year into RS5, a major script such as ordering stock is not even added.
That's not complicated, again. The server is lacking scripts and we all know that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on October 07, 2014, 10:06:27 pm
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You literally took words from my mouth. ^ is my explanation to your questions Mikal :)
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on October 08, 2014, 02:13:39 pm
There were shops in rs4 as well. Firemen used medics, and rarely some rp scenarios.
Yes, but now in RS5 24/7's have food "Hot Dogs" and so you don't even have to run to the nearest pizza shop, not to mention medics cant heal you more than 10hp so they are still practically useless.

Same as in rs4. /taxi missing isn't a complication. Just a bug that needs time. There has also been suggestions by players like calling a certain number that will work like 911 for drivers.
I'm not 100'/. sure wether it is not working due to a bug or weather they are doing for example /call 111 for taxi's or something, eitherway the old /taxi system worked perfect and allowed drivers to easily see who needed a taxi and to accept it.

I can't argue on that, but at some post Teddy made, there were supposed to be multiple trash cans, maybe 1 per city.
1 sethit trash can per city? Oh that sounds easy to find.. Not really, it's still more complicated than it needs to be.

That's not complicated, again. The server is lacking scripts and we all know that.
I didn't mean that this point was a 'complication' I was simply bringing it up because I find it extremely stupid that almost a year into RS5 a big script such as businesses making money/ordering stock is not added and yet the trucking script was implemented months ago, did they not think anyone would own businesses yet and so didn't bother adding it or is the script just not even completed?

When I got unbanned a couple of weeks ago I really liked the look of RS5, but after playing it for hours everyday it's gotten tiresome, nearly everyone is on trucking duty meaning you can't really find anyone to RP with when the server isn't at peak time, you can't even sell your house/business without being caught in a gigantic glitch where you either don't get any money or you get more money than you should, compared to RS4 it's like huge parts of the server are missing, RS5 in my eyes seems to completely go against the wonderful "Argonath Vision" which HQ spent the past few years of RS4 worshipping.

To me as I've already said, it really looks like HQ have given up on SA:MP Argonath, nobody posts about downtime, there hasn't been any updates on what scripts are getting made/added or what bugs are being fixed, everything is just dead, and so for this reason without the script problems/bugs/DDoSes, I really cannot be bothered playing, though I still seem to keep logging in.. God knows why.

You literally took words from my mouth. ^ is my explanation to your questions Mikal :)
Thank you for your staggering contribution, now, when you're done appearing like TeaM_Axis..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AK47 on October 08, 2014, 02:46:01 pm
such as businesses making money/ordering stock is not added and yet the trucking script was implemented months ago, did they not think anyone would own businesses yet and so didn't bother adding it or is the script just not even completed?

Yeah, like when we were promised in February/March(?) that the ammunation-script etc was under discussion by the HQ yet it isn't implented.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on October 08, 2014, 03:03:57 pm
Quote from: Mikal link=topic=108010.msg1718627#msg1718627
Thank you for your staggering contribution, now, when you're done appearing like TeaM_Axis..
You're welcome... What?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on October 09, 2014, 01:33:40 am
When was the last time you logged in? I've said it countless times and will say it again, RS5 is NOT complicated. If you think it is, please give a valid reason and support it with evidence.
I logged in after a few months of not logging in at all and I had to refer to /help for almost every single thing I wanted to do, and I wrote the damn thing, so I don't know what chances a new player has


Yes, you can learn these things, and there's sufficient methods to do so (albeit not kept up to date or fully finished, thanks a-team for continuing on with /help), but if there's one thing the scripts definitely are not it's intuitive
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: AlSforza on October 09, 2014, 02:59:41 am
The problem isn't the lack or excess (or whatever) of scripts... It's the community itself. What changed was the union between the players and the rising complex of superiority by SOME of the higher ranks. But hey... Who am I to judge. I wouldn't know if the community was better in the past-...
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on October 09, 2014, 11:18:20 am
SAMP is losing popularity

Dude...
I took this picture right now. At peak times, they're FULL. Okay? Each server is full of 1000 players.
And this isn't even all of them.
http://i.imgur.com/wPSK0ta.png

I can't say names but we all know there are other roleplay servers with 500 - 1000 slots which are FULL at peak time.
SAMP is not losing popularity at allll!! No no no. Argonath is. We need to be absolutely clear in understanding and admitting this harsh truth. If we want to improve, we must first understand the problem. If we're all too scared to admit the true problem that people are leaving argonath and argonath is in fact losing popularity, then we will never be able to fix it.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on October 09, 2014, 11:27:46 am
Dude...
I took this picture right now. At peak times, they're FULL. Okay? Each server is full of 1000 players.
And this isn't even all of them.
http://i.imgur.com/wPSK0ta.png

I can't say names but we all know there are other roleplay servers with 500 - 1000 slots which are FULL at peak time.
SAMP is not losing popularity at allll!! No no no. Argonath is. We need to be absolutely clear in understanding and admitting this harsh truth. If we want to improve, we must first understand the problem. If we're all too scared to admit the true problem that people are leaving argonath and argonath is in fact losing popularity, then we will never be able to fix it.
Did you read why I said that or just thought it'd be cool to show us you play on other servers ? Re-g through the post you quoted then reply again. I'd happily explain.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on October 09, 2014, 11:30:42 am
Did you read why I said that or just thought it'd be cool to show us you play on other servers ? Re-g through the post you quoted then reply again. I'd happily explain.

No I didn't bother ready why you said that. Does it matter? You said SAMP is losing popularity and that's completely nonsense. You can save on your explanation please because SAMP is not losing popularity.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on October 09, 2014, 11:35:29 am
No I didn't bother ready why you said that. Does it matter? You said SAMP is losing popularity and that's completely nonsense. You can save on your explanation please because SAMP is not losing popularity.
Then why the fuck do you comment on it ?



Someone said:
God... people who say SAMP is losing popularity because of 1 server.... makes me wanna smack the screen into the wall and burn it.
And I said "SAMP is losing popularity". Get it now ?
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TheLegitHabibi on October 09, 2014, 11:46:01 am
Then why the f**k do you comment on it ?



Someone said:And I said "SAMP is losing popularity". Get it now ?

Quote him next time. Damn.
And I'm the one flagged as the troll.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on October 09, 2014, 11:55:57 am
Quote him next time. Damn.
I did.  :rage:

Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Marcel on October 09, 2014, 12:53:47 pm
Did you read why I said that or just thought it'd be cool to show us you play on other servers ? Re-g through the post you quoted then reply again. I'd happily explain.
Without trying to participate in this discussion by taking a side, i must point you at the fact that James is, in fact, right about this. The amount of servers and players in the entire SA-MP universe (yes, this can be measured) is actually on the rise. There's about 50k players online on all servers at any given time. A few years ago, this was way less.

If you take a look at the server advertisement section (http://forum.sa-mp.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22) of the official SA-MP forums, you can see that every day, three new (super shitty srs rp) servers are posted! Scripters are active and creating new scripts and plugins daily, many veterans such as Y_Less included. The community of SA-MP is vibrant and developing!

Henceforth my conclusion: No, SA-MP is not dying, it's just Argonath that has a problem with its current playercount. This can very well be fixed, but I will not take part in that discussion.

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Axison on October 09, 2014, 01:30:07 pm
Without trying to participate in this discussion by taking a side, i must point you at the fact that James is, in fact, right about this. The amount of servers and players in the entire SA-MP universe (yes, this can be measured) is actually on the rise. There's about 50k players online on all servers at any given time. A few years ago, this was way less.

If you take a look at the server advertisement section (http://forum.sa-mp.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22) of the official SA-MP forums, you can see that every day, three new (super shitty srs rp) servers are posted! Scripters are active and creating new scripts and plugins daily, many veterans such as Y_Less included. The community of SA-MP is vibrant and developing!

Henceforth my conclusion: No, SA-MP is not dying, it's just Argonath that has a problem with its current playercount. This can very well be fixed, but I will not take part in that discussion.

Have a nice day!
Without trying to participate in this discussion by taking a side, i must point you at the fact that James is, in fact, right about this. The amount of servers and players in the entire SA-MP universe (yes, this can be measured) is actually on the rise. There's about 50k players online on all servers at any given time. A few years ago, this was way less.

If you take a look at the server advertisement section (http://forum.sa-mp.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22) of the official SA-MP forums, you can see that every day, three new (super shitty srs rp) servers are posted! Scripters are active and creating new scripts and plugins daily, many veterans such as Y_Less included. The community of SA-MP is vibrant and developing!

Henceforth my conclusion: No, SA-MP is not dying, it's just Argonath that has a problem with its current playercount. This can very well be fixed, but I will not take part in that discussion.

Have a nice day!

You are indeed correct, by not accepting the fact that Argonath is having issues with its playerbase and not SAMP these problems will never be solved
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: TiMoN on October 09, 2014, 01:44:16 pm
Without trying to participate in this discussion by taking a side, i must point you at the fact that James is, in fact, right about this. The amount of servers and players in the entire SA-MP universe (yes, this can be measured) is actually on the rise. There's about 50k players online on all servers at any given time. A few years ago, this was way less.

If you take a look at the server advertisement section (http://forum.sa-mp.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22) of the official SA-MP forums, you can see that every day, three new (super shitty srs rp) servers are posted! Scripters are active and creating new scripts and plugins daily, many veterans such as Y_Less included. The community of SA-MP is vibrant and developing!

Henceforth my conclusion: No, SA-MP is not dying, it's just Argonath that has a problem with its current playercount. This can very well be fixed, but I will not take part in that discussion.

Have a nice day!
If someone actually bothers to post an advertisement about Argonath(someone who is trusted by the community/administration team), I could assure everyone that atleast 30 players will join, with 5 maybe staying, still good.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Marcel on October 09, 2014, 02:15:20 pm
If someone actually bothers to post an advertisement about Argonath(someone who is trusted by the community/administration team), I could assure everyone that atleast 30 players will join, with 5 maybe staying, still good.
If we focus on making those new players stay, we can actually start building a solid, new playerbase. If the developer team smoothens the bugs from RS5 at the same time, we are back on track in no time. What we need is a stable place, since players will stick because of that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Stivi on October 09, 2014, 05:38:27 pm
Advertisement Team was formed for that purpose. But idk what they're doing now.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Mikal on October 09, 2014, 06:12:28 pm
Advertisement Team was formed for that purpose. But idk what they're doing now.
It's probably just another tea party for higher up players to be smug about..
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on October 09, 2014, 11:40:11 pm
There are what, maybe 10-15 scripters/developers spread through entire Argonath community, when you have no reason to treat it as anything more than a hobby to pass the time and so many requests all over the place, how can you expect SA:MP to move a damn inch from where it is?

Everyone's spread so thin and without direction from division or community leaders, or the owner(s), developers are constantly burning themselves out, getting bored, tired and annoyed by the shit they're getting, and doing random projects willy nilly with no prioritization. And please, do prove me wrong here, I want to hear the master plan Gandalf has come up with to keep Argonath alive and growing, or Devin's plans for the future of SA:MP for that matter, but that deserves it's own paragraph or ten.

Devin, what on earth have you been doing? In past half year you've started two topics, PR about DDoS and White Knight post, and other posts are mostly unban requests, random crap and defending the HQ or whatever, NOTHING to indicate in any shape or form that anything is going forward.

That rank of yours says LEADER on it, you accepted it knowing that you might be expected to actually be a leader, so why are we not seeing any of it? I know you're all cuddly and bubbly with all the HQ staff, but grow a pair and get this shit together, feelings might get hurt, but that's your position. If you don't like it, find someone who will, because I can't be the only one who noticed that this server is standing still. Only person to initiate any new additions has been Gimli, and he's being an immigrant right now, so I don't expect loads of attention from him now.


Seriously though, don't get your feelings hurt here, but upper HQ right now seems like a bunch of kindergartners, who can't do jack without Gandalf looking over their shoulders. Please prove my expectations wrong and actually provide an answer to at least some of the questions raised here, not just say "Busy with RL, doing what we can, you don't play how can you know anything, blah blah generic response to anything that puts us/me in bad light".

Prove to the community that you've earned the rank of a leader, because far as I can tell, you're just a glorified manager.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CBFasi on October 09, 2014, 11:52:22 pm
How upper HQ seems to you and reality are rather different.. and your words could be considered quite insulting to those that brought you RS4 and RS5 ...

However some of what you say has some valid points, your just directing your anger at the wrong level.

This is something some of those even higher than Devin are aware of and have been trying to find a suitable solution, we work in secret so if we make a mistake no-one knows, and if we find the answer, it just works..

Devs etc ARE just persons who have lives outside of Argonath, some have given years of time, and many have given far too much.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Devin on October 10, 2014, 12:14:32 am
Devin's plans for the future of SA:MP for that matter, but that deserves it's own paragraph or ten.

Devin, what on earth have you been doing? In past half year you've started two topics, PR about DDoS and White Knight post, and other posts are mostly unban requests, random crap and defending the HQ or whatever, NOTHING to indicate in any shape or form that anything is going forward.

That rank of yours says LEADER on it, you accepted it knowing that you might be expected to actually be a leader, so why are we not seeing any of it? I know you're all cuddly and bubbly with all the HQ staff, but grow a pair and get this shit together, feelings might get hurt, but that's your position. If you don't like it, find someone who will, because I can't be the only one who noticed that this server is standing still. Only person to initiate any new additions has been Gimli, and he's being an immigrant right now, so I don't expect loads of attention from him now.


Seriously though, don't get your feelings hurt here, but upper HQ right now seems like a bunch of kindergartners, who can't do jack without Gandalf looking over their shoulders. Please prove my expectations wrong and actually provide an answer to at least some of the questions raised here, not just say "Busy with RL, doing what we can, you don't play how can you know anything, blah blah generic response to anything that puts us/me in bad light".

Prove to the community that you've earned the rank of a leader, because far as I can tell, you're just a glorified manager.


What you and other users see is just the surface of things.
You do not see the constant work going on in administration and HQ boards behind the scenes nor do you see the time spent to make sure things stay in order and servers stay online.

So your opinion of me and the rank is not working as you don't feel I am leading things may correctly to you as you don't see what I am doing, so be it.
I don't see why you would think I am going to get offended by your post, it's aimed at me yet it is about matters that are out of my control.
One being that I am not a scripter so I don't see how I am supposed to "add" new things to the scripts as you explained about Gimlis additions.



I make the most with what we have at the moment, I assist the development team where I can and the rest of my time is spent helping the players and administrators to ensure the server stays in operation each day.

See me as a glorified manager, be my guest. I will still spend my time here doing what I can with the access I have to ensure the server stays online for the players.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Crassus on October 10, 2014, 12:20:53 am
Throwing mud at each other is never the answer. The answer is going to be found when there is an actual dialog between players and administration.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on October 10, 2014, 12:27:10 am
@CBFASI

HQ, SA:MP related anyway, has shown no direction or anything, only ones to do that were Gandalf and Gimli, others always waited for Gandalf to tell them what to do and look to him for answers. Most everything that has moved forward has been a result of their actions. Neither anything I've seen on forums nor the brief period on the HQ skype chat has led me to believe the contrary, and I'd love to think things have changed in that respect, but it probably hasn't.


I'm not insulting developers, you got me wrong there, god knows they're taking on too much and spending too much time here, but it's all willy nilly, because there's no direction or priorities with a bigger plan behind that, and that's not developers fault. That's the lack of leadership. I don't want to put down the work or time invested in the various projects, but if you have a dwindling population in your community, you wouldn't or shouldn't put technical innovations ahead of innovations to repopulate your server, but since there's no clear leadership, valuable developers like Teddy find such projects more interesting to them, and do those instead (as is their right).


And a lot of the time the 'work in secrecy' involves getting hold of Gandalf, am I right or am I right? But damn, when there is no leadership, someone HAS to step the hell up, and who better than someone who's actual title is leader? Said it once before, forget about Gandalf and his plan, the server and the community is literally dying while leaders wait for leadership, do something that YOU want, knowing Gimli, I don't think he waited for Gandalf to approve of his trucking script, and if that wasn't a welcomed addition that possibly (re)gained you some members, then fuck me.

@Devin

So instead of a division leader you're a technical leader then, well done. How about asking around the community if they would like the job of keeping the server up against DDoS and other things? So you could actually focus on being a division leader?

While I appreciate the server being kept up, it's just a crappy division of labour, and I'm not expecting you to script new things, I'm expecting you to come up with a plan, a plan on making the server better and more appealing to players, and get your team of scripters to work towards that. Kind of sounds like leading, silly isn't it?

So yes, you should be offended, because you're doing things you should, as a division leader, be telling others to do. Pretend that this community is a strategy game, and you're the player. Do you jump into a platoon of troops and march on towards the next battle, while the rest of the war is 'beyond your control' and is getting fucked by no one doing anything about it? No, you take the reigns and tell everyone what to fucking do. Seriously, that's what you should be doing as a division leader, not worry about every little thing that you could be getting others to do instead. And if you lack the people to do that, ASK AROUND THE COMMUNITY. Despite what you might think, people actually do care about Argonath, we are not having these arguments just for the pleasure, everyone you see 'hating on RS5', we actually fucking care. So ask around, you'll find new people to add to your HQ team, have people do one thing, do it good, instead of 1 person do 5 things and be shit at it. All the while you LEAD THEM.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Pingster on October 10, 2014, 12:38:18 am
Throwing mud at each other is never the answer. The answer is going to be found when there is an actual dialog between players and administration.
You only get to have that if you somehow get to the HQ forums or HQ chat, sadly. Stupid, but true.

If HQ were willing to put trust in new people to join the HQ and help with things (scripting, technical issues and so on), as well as communicate with the rest of the community to let know what is actually going on, why nothing is happening, we might see a movement forward. The trend with Argonath is that you start with something small like server moderator or board moderator, and by the time you make it to the HQ, you have 12 jobs, 20 projects and no interest, time or patience for any of them. How's that for division of labor?

Why not just say "Okay, you're going to help us with X, we'll get someone else to do Y" instead of "You're good at Y, here, do X as well! And Z and all the other letters of the alphabet while you're at it!"
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: Crassus on October 10, 2014, 12:54:55 am
Pingster, you have some decent valid points I must give you that. I must admit that I don't know much about this entire situation since my main focus is at the MTA server. People just need to focus on their objective and try their best, and if the best is not enough I am sure that someone else is willing to try his best. It's common logic that a person that has been entrusted with a certain title he should live up to that and not start projects here and there. A scripter should script, a leader should lead, as simple as that.
Title: Re: We have to get the server back in line.
Post by: CBFasi on October 10, 2014, 12:59:40 am
I am locking this topic as I do not believe further words need be said, senior staff have read, and its being discussed even more than before.
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