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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on April 07, 2015, 09:38:17 pm

Title: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 07, 2015, 09:38:17 pm
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Pedro. on April 07, 2015, 09:43:32 pm
As far as I remember, Teddy is a bear's name, a well known bear
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Cyril on April 07, 2015, 09:45:57 pm
As far as I remember, Teddy is a bear's name, a well known bear

It's also a first name...
His name might not be a reference to the bear, whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 07, 2015, 09:46:54 pm
As far as I remember, Teddy is a bear's name, a well known bear

Clever attempt. But a failed attempt. This nickname was something that became after people called me by it a lot due to my name being Tedd_* in the past. It's just something that stuck. In addition, Teddy isn't the name of a bear... well it probably is... but it's also a lot of things, it has no singular meaning or origin; none of which the inspiration for the name. The name Teddy is also just a short for my RP name Theodore.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Pedro. on April 07, 2015, 09:49:11 pm
It's also a first name...
His name might not be a reference to the bear, whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.

Don't blame me, I'm not its founder. But if you're going that way, RockStar reminds you of anything? lol
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tovenaarke on April 07, 2015, 09:50:39 pm
The Black Gooses
The Laughing Elephants
Sweinhounds
The Zapps
Plantz
The Metal Spoons
The Electz


Just helping :)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Cyril on April 07, 2015, 09:55:53 pm
Don't blame me, I'm not its founder. But if you're going that way, RockStar reminds you of anything? lol

Rock star can be a reference to GTA developers but it can also be a reference to rock stars in general... hence RockStar hotel in LV with the big guitar.
Whereas criminal group name only refere to one and unique thing...
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kaze on April 07, 2015, 09:59:20 pm
If there is actually a IRL MC called 'The Faggio Syndicate' then  :app:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: SugarD on April 08, 2015, 01:25:37 am
Don't blame me, I'm not its founder. But if you're going that way, RockStar reminds you of anything? lol
You mean "Rock Stars"*? ;)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 01:40:51 am
Random topic hatin on members names.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 08, 2015, 01:43:57 am
Random topic hatin on members names.

I see you you've missed the entire point. I guess it requires a bit of logic.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 01:46:52 am
I got your point.

Lord of the rings.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 01:54:17 am
If there is actually a IRL MC called 'The Faggio Syndicate' then  :app:

I didn't choose the faggio life the faggio life chose me  :neutral:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 08, 2015, 02:17:59 am
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy

Do you forget where this community got its name ?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Vladislav on April 08, 2015, 02:21:22 am
Not to derail the thread and all, but:


whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.

Really lol? I for one hadn't come across it before.



I'm all for originality, but every group has to draw inspiration from somewhere I guess. Originality extends beyond just the groups name. Take a group like Angels of Death for example, their name may derive from that biker gang in GTA IV (I assume) but they certainly don't lack in creativity.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Leon. on April 08, 2015, 02:27:29 am
It's also a first name...
His name might not be a reference to the bear, whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.
Hey buddy. I can't help but noticed you haven't taken a look at our topic, considering how far off you are with that "copy pasta" monicker there! If you took a good look at our topic, you'd see that all of our content is completely original. If you are able to point out anything that is "copy-pasta" then I will be happy to remedy the situation immediately. Otherwise, the mudslinging is unnecessary.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 02:30:02 am
His name might not be a reference to the bear, whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.
Please enlighten us about how Gvardia is a copy-paste of another group or from anywhere. Actually, as I think about it, it's the most unique one in terms of name, family, syndicate and hierarchy and tradition. If you want a good example of a copy-paste, then you should've used Corleone, no offense to them.

But of course you talk out your ass, so no wonder only shit comes out. And apart from that, you claim Gvardia is not original because of a name, yet I don't remember you running a successful and one of the biggest groups on Argonath for over six years. It's of course easier to sit back and hate then actually achieve something yourself.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: eugenefong on April 08, 2015, 03:19:36 am
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy

I understand, but I see no wrong in copying and pasting the name, it just depends on how one grows the story. Like your name Teddy, people might presume you took it from a teddy bear but it isn't there is a story behind it.

What I see, copying name isn't the main issue for lack of originality. But copying the plot and everything else from the name and its history, that is something which is really lack of originality

Do you forget where this community got its name ?

We might have gotten the name, but we didn't follow fully to the whole plot and stuff due to the nature of the game. You have Sauron watching the server but you don't have like Sauron VS Gandalf type of shit in the server where everyone is split up and daily waging war on each other till one side dies or even have the ring which you must throw into the volcano.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Cofiliano on April 08, 2015, 04:19:14 am
It's also a first name...
His name might not be a reference to the bear, whereas Gvardia is copy pasta with lack of originality for example.
LOL
Go bury yourself alive man, you just won the tittle of the most ignorant reply in 2015.

The most original long lasting group, the most original Corporation with the most original businesses developed in Argonath history,  in a original city, with a original organization, made by original people, with a original name, and most original loyalty.

All developed by Us, not movies, series, shows, novels, yet our original creativity.

You on the other hand went so far into becoming one of millions GS9 hobos(All respect to them).

Deal with it.



And I agree on Teddy, the creativity is gone, but then again, the creative people were witch hunted. And it takes time until you get a new wave of creative people like we used to have, and even they get the same pressure like the old ones, and leave. Look what happen to Frank Hawk, Mario Rinna, Pablo Santos, and lots of more people. They were the essence of originality that were kicked out/force to leave.

You can't have bots who'll always follow your orders/style/ideas, and expect them to be original. Original people need space, support, and our help, yet most of them got kicked out.

Here's a simple silly example, that I know most of the people among HQ wont agree but its true:

Acika Luciano got banned for furniture abuse. Put a side your opinion on him, or the purpose of that furniture abuse.

 Most people who know him, saw the things he build. That kid is a fucking genius, he's a big talent, the interiors he build were amazing and astonishing, the only reaction you could get from people was a big "WOW".
Instead of using his skills, into being, I dont know, some kind of custom object designer who could help both players by developing things they love and want so badly, and probably scripters by making their job more easy not to deal with it, he got denied and told by the Hobo I quoted above, to find a new community.
That's not how you treat creative people, or if you do, then don't be surprised that the server is lacking originality.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Marcel on April 08, 2015, 06:42:34 am
So wait, Argonath and the use of LotR-names is creative?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: CharlieKasper on April 08, 2015, 06:57:16 am
Sorry it's been *puts cool glasses on* 9 years now, too late to change the name of Corleone.

Pointless topic though, as others have said, this community uses LoTR references. Nothing "unoriginal" using using names from movies just for inspiration.

Edit - Okay but I agree, copying everything from someone else is not being original.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Abraham on April 08, 2015, 07:04:30 am
Sorry it's been *puts cool glasses on* 9 years now, too late to change the name of Corleone.
(http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/reaction-gif-Deal-with-it.gif)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: CharlieKasper on April 08, 2015, 07:04:45 am
And I agree on Teddy, the creativity is gone, but then again, the creative people were witch hunted. And it takes time until you get a new wave of creative people like we used to have, and even they get the same pressure like the old ones, and leave. Look what happen to Frank Hawk, Mario Rinna, Pablo Santos, and lots of more people. They were the essence of originality that were kicked out/force to leave.

You can't have bots who'll always follow your orders/style/ideas, and expect them to be original. Original people need space, support, and our help, yet most of them got kicked out.

Here's a simple silly example, that I know most of the people among HQ wont agree but its true:

Acika Luciano got banned for furniture abuse. Put a side your opinion on him, or the purpose of that furniture abuse.

 Most people who know him, saw the things he build. That kid is a f**cking genius, he's a big talent, the interiors he build were amazing and astonishing, the only reaction you could get from people was a big "WOW".
Instead of using his skills, into being, I dont know, some kind of custom object designer who could help both players by developing things they love and want so badly, and probably scripters by making their job more easy not to deal with it, he got denied and told by the Hobo I quoted above, to find a new community.
That's not how you treat creative people, or if you do, then don't be surprised that the server is lacking originality.

Sorry to bust your bubble but most of them crossed the line. They may have helped the community more than any of us (not all of them though, lol), but they didn't make themselves a good example in the later part of their time in the community. They had to be taken care of.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Leon. on April 08, 2015, 07:19:14 am
Well, nobody can blame them for becoming so bitter. Things have changed, especially the community's attitude towards the desires and contributions of older players.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Cyril on April 08, 2015, 09:07:39 am
Well, nobody can blame them for becoming so bitter. Things have changed, especially the community's attitude towards the desires and contributions of older players.

Being older doesn't give you any immunity. It actually gives you more responsabilities as you are looked at as a model by others.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 08, 2015, 09:44:49 am
So wait, Argonath and the use of LotR-names is creative?

Never said it was. One of us needs glass and I'm fairly certain I never said it was; nor did I ever exclude anyone, including myself, from a decreased aggregation of fault.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 08, 2015, 09:48:25 am
You have Sauron watching the server but you don't have like Sauron VS Gandalf type of shit in the server where everyone is split up and daily waging war on each other till one side dies or even have the ring which you must throw into the volcano.

Can't have a fight to the death if all 3 owners are already presumed dead and the volcano may just be the best way out x)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 10:11:29 am
Useless topic, complete waste of time. Yet here i am.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: yaz000n on April 08, 2015, 10:22:59 am
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy

Teddy You Are Right , people should be a bit creative and make things with originality, but, when i was looking through replies i saw players taking it asif you are offending them lol

P.S read the topic well he is not saying dont copy and paste , he is saying TRY to be more creative , change things through topic of clan,family, etc... , he is not saying bring a full new thing over here....

Regards,
Yazan
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Manoni on April 08, 2015, 10:23:29 am
Useless topic, complete waste of time. Yet here i am.

What for? Your post could be more 'useless' than this topic.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kostas on April 08, 2015, 10:24:42 am
So from all the creativity the server lacks... group names is what you find important enough to point out? ... Evans... stolen name of a legal family used for a criminal family.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: yaz000n on April 08, 2015, 10:27:35 am
What for? Your post could be more 'useless' than this topic.
thats Right  ^^^
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: yaz000n on April 08, 2015, 10:30:47 am
So from all the creativity the server lacks... group names is what you find important enough to point out? ... Evans... stolen name of a legal family used for a criminal family.
you did not get the WHOLE point , its not all about NAMES
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 10:31:20 am
What for? Your post could be more 'useless' than this topic.

Making a useless point, posting a useless post in a useless topic, can't be more useless then that.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: yaz000n on April 08, 2015, 10:34:00 am
Making a useless point, posting a useless post in a useless topic, can't be more useless then that.

You Are now being more useless lol

useless posts are not needed , just either u have an idea (against or for) post it not saying how good or bad the topic is , u are not a judge ATM
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Johan_S on April 08, 2015, 10:37:19 am
You Are now being more useless lol

Dude lol.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 10:39:19 am
You Are now being more useless lol

useless posts are not needed , just either u have an idea (against or for) post it not saying how good or bad the topic is , u are not a judge ATM

Most of the posts are meh, like cyril saying Gvardia is a copy and paste, i never heard of that name before. Then you have names like Rosso etc. that apparently is super original. Just let everyone choose whatever the names they want, who give a shit eh.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: psyron on April 08, 2015, 10:45:15 am
gotta close this useless topic down before we all become useless  :kilt:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on April 08, 2015, 10:56:25 am
gotta close this useless topic down before we all become useless  :kilt:
Too late. :neutral2:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Stivi on April 08, 2015, 11:12:41 am
thats Right  ^^^

you did not get the WHOLE point , its not all about NAMES

You Are now being more useless lol

useless posts are not needed , just either u have an idea (against or for) post it not saying how good or bad the topic is , u are not a judge ATM

They have yet to invent a word that can describe you. I don't want to offend you, but this is not a compliment either.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Rei on April 08, 2015, 11:37:27 am
Most of the posts are meh, like cyril saying Gvardia is a copy and paste, i never heard of that name before. Then you have names like Rosso etc. that apparently is super original. Just let everyone choose whatever the names they want, who give a shit eh.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 11:38:17 am
The most original long lasting group, the most original Corporation with the most original businesses developed in Argonath history,  in a original city, with a original organization, made by original people, with a original name, and most original loyalty.

You most mean the Sforza Famiglia by that?  ;)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kaze on April 08, 2015, 11:48:59 am
Argonath RPG is copy pasta itself then since Gandalf & Co were inspired from other RP servers..
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 11:56:20 am
Stop being so butthurt and taking things so personally. It's really annoying to browse the forums and see arguements like you're 10 years old. You've been here long enough to prove what your and your groups are worth, these arguements should not be necessary on every topic.

And if you want my opinion the mafia thing on Argonath is a copy-paste. It's not only a name. It's the same wrong actions daily, you do not roleplay what a mafia does properly. Every mafia that opens is doing the same thing the older ones are doing. Kidnap - robbery - threatening/bossing and nothing more. And if you feel offended, then you are probably not an exception in the list.



On topic: I agree with the topic, and it's not useless. If you are not copying anything then it's simply not written for you. There are people here who really lack creativity. I remember when I was regularly posting screens on 18th's topic, every time I changed the style of the screens with something new, the same changes were done in 3-4 topics at least.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Hess on April 08, 2015, 12:03:14 pm
Argonath RPG is copy pasta itself then since Gandalf & Co were inspired from other RP servers..
Argonath RPG was made nearly 10 years ago and was one of the first GTA-based RP servers. Try again!
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 12:05:19 pm


Sure but 18th's wasnt around for very long, you had really good rp, no doubt but in the end where is it now? It's easy to do new shit with a new group but the truth is it only last for so long.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Everett on April 08, 2015, 12:07:19 pm
You most mean the Sforza Famiglia by that?  ;)
Sforza's name is almost as "original" as Corleone's. Sorry bud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Sforza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Sforza)

EDIT:
Sure but 18th's wasnt around for very long, you had really good rp, no doubt but in the end where is it now? It's easy to do new shit with a new group but the truth is it only last for so long.
Quoted for truth. You can say how mafias are bad and unoriginal all day long, we'll hear you out. But in the end, our group is still here ain't it? We must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [Rstar]Peter on April 08, 2015, 12:07:45 pm
The main problem is not copying from Movies, TV series, games, or other stuff. The main problem is people are copying from other Argonath based groups/families, but:
Quote from: Gandalf
To be honest to me it shows we are still worth copying.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kaze on April 08, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Argonath RPG was made nearly 10 years ago and was one of the first GTA-based RP servers. Try again!

AFAIK, Gandalf & Co were involved in something in the other RP server they were playing.. they got butthurt and made their own community. My point is they clearly had the mentality 'If these guys can make a RP server, so can we' which then fast forward 10 years later to Teddy's comment about originality.. I hope you can see the correlation.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 08, 2015, 12:11:48 pm
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy

Your post is rather ambiguous statement. Could you perhaps re-word it for us humble folk?

Also, despite stating above that I feel it is indeed ambiguous, if you could clarify... which groups in your opinion show "originality" and if whether you actually mean a lack of originality in their name choices or rather if you believe a lack of originality exists in their role choices.

TLDR: Ambiguous.

Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Harry on April 08, 2015, 12:12:59 pm
And if you want my opinion the mafia thing on Argonath is a copy-paste. It's not only a name. It's the same wrong actions daily, you do not roleplay what a mafia does properly. Every mafia that opens is doing the same thing the older ones are doing. Kidnap - robbery - threatening/bossing and nothing more. And if you feel offended, then you are probably not an exception in the list.

If you ever consider joining a mafia, please don't. You are ruining our fun with your whining and moaning all day. We have been around long enough to understand what being a mafia means.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 12:14:27 pm
AFAIK, Gandalf & Co were involved in something in the other RP server they were playing.. they got butthurt and made their own community. My point is they clearly had the mentality 'If these guys can make a RP server, so can we' which then fast forward 10 years later to Teddy's comment about originality.. I hope you can see the correlation.

They ran another community before Argonath. The direction it was heading was not something they intended nor wanted therefore it was closed down. From the ashes came Argonath.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:21:50 pm
If you ever consider joining a mafia, please don't. You are ruining our fun with your whining and moaning all day. We have been around long enough to understand what being a mafia means.

Your knowledge is what makes me only want to join the one and only mafia that has been doing it properly - Sforza.
Thank you for your kind words but let me tell you that I was invited to Corleone by Abe but went to Sforza instead, bye.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:23:36 pm
Sure but 18th's wasnt around for very long, you had really good rp, no doubt but in the end where is it now? It's easy to do new shit with a new group but the truth is it only last for so long.

People lost interest because of the shitstorms we received daily. I expected something like that since our efforts were much higher than what we received back from anyone.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Harry on April 08, 2015, 12:24:01 pm
Your knowledge is what makes me only want to join the one and only mafia that has been doing it properly - Sforza.
Thank you for your kind words but let me tell you that I was invited to Corleone by Abe but went to Sforza instead, bye.

Appartently Sforza is no more, while we are still running the streets. Why don't you ask permission to re-open Sforza, and show it us the right way?

I guess that will take too much time for you, since you are only here to whine and moan. You made two threads about shitting on the groups, now you are here again, do not bother posting anymore.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:25:14 pm
This thread is on fire!
 :balance:

Anyhow - I think it's fine people use some family/group names from real life - as it makes it more interesting and passionate for new player; to be that Micheal Corleone from the Godfather trilogy, or a Soprano gangster from the HBO series?

As long as they just RP themselves into a sturdy character, I see no problem in taking names from movies, stories etc.

~Benedict Savastano
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:26:46 pm
Appartently Sforza is no more, while we are still running the streets. Why don't you ask permission to re-open Sforza, and show it us the right way?

I guess that will take too much time for you, since you are only here to whine and moan. You made two threads about shitting on the groups, now you are here again, do not bother posting anymore.

I share my opinion evem if it's negative because I actually want to see improvements, I won't lick your asses to be the cool guy everyone likes. If you can't see that, then go ahead with your crap attitude.

Also, let me know better why I am here.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:27:05 pm
Appartently Sforza is no more

Or is it?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Johan_S on April 08, 2015, 12:27:32 pm
--

You have some wrong informations about Mafias. However, those "Copy Pasta" groups are the brands which identify Argonath RPG and keep the flow of the activity only up.

Everyone has their opinion which i respect but somethings are wrong. You are not the one to give us examples of your group which lasted 2-3 weeks: Im not saying that you had bad group but it's over, it's not a succes story to be considered, seriosly. So please, no examples with screenshots of what you did lol.

But:

I guess that will take too much time for you, since you are only here to whine and moan. You made two threads about shitting on the groups, now you are here again, do not bother posting anymore.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Lustigkurre on April 08, 2015, 12:27:38 pm
The forum topics of mafias are funny too with all the ranks. BOSS, UNDERBOSS, SOLDIERS, CO VICE BOSS, DON  :lol:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:30:45 pm
You have some wrong informations about Mafias. However, those "Copy Pasta" groups are the brands which identify Argonath RPG and keep the flow of the activity only up.

Everyone has their opinion which i respect but somethings are wrong. You are not the one to give us examples of your group which lasted 2-3 weeks: Im not saying that you had bad group but it's over, it's not a succes story to be considered, seriosly. So please, no examples with screenshots of what you did lol.

But:

My group was here for 4 months and I never gave you an example of how you should act through screenshots. When did I even mention such thing? Your lack of understanding leads you to wrong conclusions, go and read again.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 12:31:34 pm
People lost interest because of the shitstorms we received daily. I expected something like that since our efforts were much higher than what we received back from anyone.

This, remember it well, you honestly was so full of yourself, talking shit about every other group, you believed yourself to be the best group ever.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Stivi on April 08, 2015, 12:32:18 pm
BOSS, UNDERBOSS, SOLDIERS, CO VICE BOSS, DON
This. But though what other ranks can you put on that would be understandable to other people not related to your group ? A clown ?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [Rstar]Peter on April 08, 2015, 12:32:52 pm
The forum topics of mafias are funny too with all the ranks. BOSS, UNDERBOSS, SOLDIERS, CO VICE BOSS, DON  :lol:
Don't forget "Sgarrista"  :rofl: :rofl:

And @Tiny your group didn't last more than 2-3 weeks, so it wasn't successful. And also I was a part of Sforza too, they didn't do anything special and different.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:34:24 pm
This, remember it well, you honestly was so full of yourself, talking shit about every other group, you believed yourself to be the best group ever.

The most shit I talked about was for my group. You can ask every member to confirm. I never talked shit about EVERY group, but when I see something wrong I will say it, and I never said I am not wrong. You just seem unable to point out mistakes and improve, maybe you're the ones so 'full of yourselves' that you cannot accept any criticism.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:34:40 pm

Everyone has their opinion which i respect but somethings are wrong. You are not the one to give us examples of your group which lasted 2-3 weeks...


Get your facts straight, please.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: AK47 on April 08, 2015, 12:35:09 pm
Argonath RPG was made nearly 10 years ago and was one of the first GTA-based RP servers. Try again!

let's not forget ab shall we
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:35:36 pm
And @Tiny your group didn't last more than 2-3 weeks, so it wasn't successful. And also I was a part of Sforza too, they didn't do anything special and different.

1. I never said it was successful.
2. It lasted 4 months.
3. Yes they did.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:37:51 pm
Don't forget "Sgarrista"  :rofl: :rofl:

And @Tiny your group didn't last more than 2-3 weeks, so it wasn't successful. And also I was a part of Sforza too, they didn't do anything special and different.

You were?
You must really have done a bad job, since I don't remember any Peter?  ;)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Stivi on April 08, 2015, 12:38:58 pm
@Tiny

Were you part of any other group mafia ?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 08, 2015, 12:39:48 pm
Your knowledge is what makes me only want to join the one and only mafia that has been doing it properly - Sforza.
Thank you for your kind words but let me tell you that I was invited to Corleone by Abe but went to Sforza instead, bye.

You know little it seems.
The real Mafia has yet to be identified. ^_^ So It can't be Sforza.
Hint: ARPD.

I share my opinion evem if it's negative because I actually want to see improvements, I won't lick your asses to be the cool guy everyone likes. If you can't see that, then go ahead with your crap attitude.

Also, let me know better why I am here.

Your posts annoy me the most.

Are you actually looking to post something constructive or deconstruction?

It's one thing to not 'ass lick' and still give your opinion. It's one thing being honest. You sir are just being plain rude and anti social.

Stop being so butthurt and taking things so personally. It's really annoying to browse the forums and see arguements like you're 10 years old. You've been here long enough to prove what your and your groups are worth, these arguements should not be necessary on every topic.

And if you want my opinion the mafia thing on Argonath is a copy-paste. It's not only a name. It's the same wrong actions daily, you do not roleplay what a mafia does properly. Every mafia that opens is doing the same thing the older ones are doing. Kidnap - robbery - threatening/bossing and nothing more. And if you feel offended, then you are probably not an exception in the list.



On topic: I agree with the topic, and it's not useless. If you are not copying anything then it's simply not written for you. There are people here who really lack creativity. I remember when I was regularly posting screens on 18th's topic, every time I changed the style of the screens with something new, the same changes were done in 3-4 topics at least.


That's what Mafias are known for.
Mafias can not be 'original'. They are known around the world for the same damn thing.

The forum topics of mafias are funny too with all the ranks. BOSS, UNDERBOSS, SOLDIERS, CO VICE BOSS, DON  :lol:

Organised Crime. Derp.

You have some wrong informations about Mafias. However, those "Copy Pasta" groups are the brands which identify Argonath RPG and keep the flow of the activity only up.

Everyone has their opinion which i respect but somethings are wrong. You are not the one to give us examples of your group which lasted 2-3 weeks: Im not saying that you had bad group but it's over, it's not a succes story to be considered, seriosly. So please, no examples with screenshots of what you did lol.

[NP]Johan speaks the truth.

This. But though what other ranks can you put on that would be understandable to other people not related to your group ? A clown ?

In a general response.

Ranking structures are made for internal organisation so that there is a positive or efficient external approach / recognition.
This, remember it well, you honestly was so full of yourself, talking shit about every other group, you believed yourself to be the best group ever.
*sarcasm* Sforza are super secret organisation. They exist I tells ya!  I heard Chief of Police is a guaranteed Sforza member!!

My group was here for 4 months and I never gave you an example of how you should act through screenshots. When did I even mention such thing? Your lack of understanding leads you to wrong conclusions, go and read again.


you have allowed yourself to be misinterpreted as you have failed to represent yourself in a way others will understand or are willing to appreciate, I have made mention above.

The most shit I talked about was for my group. You can ask every member to confirm. I never talked shit about EVERY group, but when I see something wrong I will say it, and I never said I am not wrong. You just seem unable to point out mistakes and improve, maybe you're the ones so 'full of yourselves' that you cannot accept any criticism.

Maybe you're incapable of actually contributing something that isn't seen as a provocation.
Work on it. If you made a mistake, acknowledge it. Acknowledge what others say.
Take a minute to actually think.

You were?
You must really have done a bad job, since I don't remember any Peter?  ;)

This is not about Sforza. Stay on topic.

@Tiny

Were you part of any other group ?

NIGGUH. With respect... Every time I click post someone has made a reply before me.
Seriously stay on topic and stop this useless shit.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:40:14 pm
@Tiny

Were you part of any other group ?

Yes.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: AK47 on April 08, 2015, 12:40:39 pm
i love how every topic ends in massive chaos on this forum

*brings popcorn*
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 08, 2015, 12:41:32 pm
i love how every topic ends in massive chaos on this forum

*brings popcorn*

*points at my previous post about 'ambiguous'*

Ayo share some of that yo.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:41:39 pm
This is not about Sforza. Stay on topic.

Okay mother.. :cry:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [Rstar]Peter on April 08, 2015, 12:41:50 pm
1. I never said it was successful.
2. It lasted 4 months.
3. Yes they did.
But you're acting like "it was awesome" it's obvious dude.
Well, mafias are here for more than 8 years, especially Gvardia and Corleone, and however we are still alive.
No they didn't do anything different, just like what other groups/mafias are doing nowadays, kidnappin, partying, robbing, and so on.

You were?
You must really have done a bad job, since I don't remember any Peter?  ;)
I was helping Tony and Kane with Blaze and Sforza, as I was a part of both groups with Tony.
And no I left them peacefully 'cause I was ultra busy with University stuff and couldn't play much.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 12:42:17 pm
The most shit I talked about was for my group. You can ask every member to confirm. I never talked shit about EVERY group, but when I see something wrong I will say it, and I never said I am not wrong. You just seem unable to point out mistakes and improve, maybe you're the ones so 'full of yourselves' that you cannot accept any criticism.

Casual is the way of ArgonathRPG. Complete dedication don't work here. No mafia family on Argonath have ever been a "real" mafia. We have the right to have fun on the side and not stay in character 24/7, that's the beauty of Argonath.

I can't stand heavy rp, that's why im here.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: [NP]Monte Montague on April 08, 2015, 12:43:17 pm
We have multiple discussions going on in this thread that are not needed and not very on topic.

Remain on bloody topic.

thanks.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
I am well aware of everything you have stated, Monte. But that's how I am, like it or not. There are people who know me and I'm more than glad with having them, I don't really need you to like me.  :)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Stivi on April 08, 2015, 12:46:06 pm
Yes.
mafia* ?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 12:47:06 pm
mafia* ?

The first one was Evans and I've joined several ones till the last one, which is Sforza. What's up?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Benn on April 08, 2015, 12:47:32 pm
All I can see in this topic provocation from individuals towards other groups questioning "who is more creative" while the whole point of the topic was just to encourage people to become more creative and develop that skill of creativity.
I read many replies and skipped many... I believe everyone who read the topic got the idea of what has been said, this topic should be locked down before individuals start calling groups and group's members "DMers!!".
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Manoni on April 08, 2015, 12:49:27 pm
This topic got more fucked up than youtube suggestions.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: AK47 on April 08, 2015, 12:50:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/K26nK9Q.gif)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:50:34 pm
I agree with Monte, let's just stick to the topic - So that this thread won't end in a shitstorm between groups.

Please.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Rei on April 08, 2015, 12:51:30 pm
All I can see in this topic provocation from individuals towards other groups questioning "who is more creative" while the whole point of the topic was just to encourage people to become more creative and develop that skill of creativity.
I read many replies and skipped many... I believe everyone who read the topic got the idea of what has been said, this topic should be locked down before individuals start calling groups and group's members "DMers!!".

 :app:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 12:51:56 pm
Can someone point me in the direction of the popcorn vendor? This topic has lost its plot and turned into a group vs group argument.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Johan_S on April 08, 2015, 12:54:07 pm
-
I agree with you but to encourage people you should not mention group factions which are based on RL sources however let's start from here: This weekend i will open a new criminal organization what should i do now?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 12:54:18 pm
Aimm reeal mahfia.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/5ue2r7.jpg)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:54:45 pm
Can someone point me in the direction of the popcorn vendor? This topic has lost its plot and turned into a group vs group argument.

I think it is that way sir!
*Points to the west*
Go left, right and lefty!
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 12:55:51 pm
Aimm reeal mahfia.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/5ue2r7.jpg)
Haha, genious!
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Stivi on April 08, 2015, 12:58:30 pm
The first one was Evans and I've joined several ones till the last one, which is Sforza. What's up?
Then you shouldn't be talking about how one mafia is better than another, or how Sforza did stuff other mafias didn't when you weren't part of other mafias. :)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Lustigkurre on April 08, 2015, 01:00:08 pm
Nice forum dm, reported.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: jannik852 on April 08, 2015, 01:01:15 pm
Then you shouldn't be talking about how one mafia is better than another, or how Sforza did stuff other mafias didn't when you weren't part of other mafias. :)
Well I can confirm Sforza has a special community, that is rather rare in the groups around in Argonath.

Now, please drop the off-topic and join us in this non-creative-name-topic?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Benn on April 08, 2015, 01:09:28 pm
I agree with you but to encourage people you should not mention group factions which are based on RL sources however let's start from here: This weekend i will open a new criminal organization what should i do now?
Are you asking me? if you are.
I would probably suggest not opening a new criminal group if all you are going to do is kidnapp and rob people... We got enough families, more than enough families to present those two RP scenes... and if it isn't going just to be those robbing and kidnapping than you should open a group and guide the members to roleplay as good as they can, and interact with other peoples...(doesn't have to be always mean to others) you can also start a business with your family and roleplay in it, like once I remember there was a family that had a resturant and used to open it every weekend and sometimes in the middle of the week and serve food for people... I just gave you the main idea of what you can do... now it is up for you to decide what to do with your family.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Spike. on April 08, 2015, 01:16:22 pm
(http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/michael-jackson-gifpopcorn-gifeating-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Hamza_Khan on April 08, 2015, 01:20:02 pm
Well currently you are ass licking/ praising Sforza because they are not here, and Don't use them as your shield to criticize other groups, who are running here from many years, it is not fucking easy to run a group here, but its more than easy to criticize them, and get their moral down, exclude these nowadays Mafias from community and then make your own dream Mafia.
Don't think that you will get a originality from Mafia, lol have you ever seen a real life Mafia doing Roleplay? they kill whoever they want, without any talk, It is a game,. where people come to enjoy, don't compare the stuff of game from Real life.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Thom on April 08, 2015, 01:23:11 pm
You can't demand or even ask people to be original. I mean, the ones that have the creativity and the time, to think of something different, are happily welcome to do it. But RP is picking a role and sticking to it for a certain ammount of time, its roles picken from Real Life.

 And since Real Life has 7 billion people in it, we can't beat that easily. Seriously, there are millions of mechanic businesses, thousands of criminal groups and non criminal groups. And it's just crazy to find by yourself, a name that sounds good to the ear and has never been thought by any of the billion lives on this world.


So from all the creativity the server lacks... group names is what you find important enough to point out? ... Evans... stolen name of a legal family used for a criminal family.

 :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kessu on April 08, 2015, 01:30:44 pm
Can someone point me in the direction of the popcorn vendor?
You still owe me the popcorns from last time  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Kaze on April 08, 2015, 01:32:17 pm
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Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Johan_S on April 08, 2015, 01:41:04 pm
Are you asking me? if you are.

M8 i asked for a "original" name! Does this Topic stand for "Original Creative" names or for Roleplay factions?

For RP ideas thank you, lol.

-Johan Soprano.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Benn on April 08, 2015, 01:50:04 pm
M8 i asked for a "original" name! Does this Topic stand for "Original Creative" names or for Roleplay factions?

For RP ideas thank you, lol.

-Johan Soprano.

So the question was general.... not for me. because I can't find any reason why should you ask me for an original name.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Gnb_22 on April 08, 2015, 02:09:19 pm
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Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Drix on April 08, 2015, 02:20:18 pm

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/160909/gag-o.gif)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Denzel. on April 08, 2015, 02:24:34 pm
Originality.......LOLOLOL  :rofl:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Hess on April 08, 2015, 03:09:51 pm
Originality.......LOLOLOL  :rofl:
Shhh Denzel Washington! :mad:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: .Diego on April 08, 2015, 03:56:13 pm
Teddy creates a topic that causes an uproar and no one bats an eye.
DellStorm creates a topic that causes uproar and everybody loses their minds.  :janek:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 04:02:04 pm
Don't even try turn the topic into something like that.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: .Diego on April 08, 2015, 04:04:14 pm
Don't even try turn the topic into something like that.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Exterminator on April 08, 2015, 04:10:46 pm
Hi,

It's really sickening to see all the serious lack of originality in this community. Everyone picks names for groups based on stolen directly from movies, TV series, or real life. Honestly, take a moment, and be creative... be original.

Just a thought.

- Teddy

Well, i might aswell post something back on topic again, perhaps i can bring it back.

The apollo missions were named after the God Apollo, Believed by the greeks to be the god of the light and the sun (Among other things).

Your name is teddy. Derived from Theodore if i'm correct. The name theodore is derived from the greek name theodoros translating roughly to "Gift of God". It was a very popular name in ancient greece and later came to the Christian world. The Christian church encouraged people to name their children after saints, and hence people started to get named after Saint theodore. Your name is being dragged on without modification since atleast the 7th century. It has been Copy Pasta'd for atleast 1300 years.

Further if you want to go into names, almost every name, whatsoever is named after something or the other. People have already pointed out Argonath's own name but i'd really like you to point out a few things which were not named after anything. The name Gvardia can be traced back to Pasha Gvardia which was the oldest reference i found, and probably even more had we any records of history beyond that.

Not to mention the fact that if you want to actually roleplay seriously, you need a proper name. You can't make a name like oobla joobla family. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with using another name.

That said, how the heck do you intend to ask people to be more creative while at the same time witchhunting them? Almost anything out of the ordinary gets you in either jail or admin jail.

Back when Ancelotti was active we did many roleplays we had never seen in argonath, and almost everytime we were told to stop. We tried to block roads and roleplay illegally extorting truck drivers for money to pass. The result? Move your cars or i'll ban you. Out of the many times we did this, someone would just drive up to us and if we tried to roleplay with him, they'd just tell us to let him pass or he'll report us. We didn't really care so we let him pass. Then some guy comes along and without even asking us to let him pass, he directly reports us and there's an undercover admin telling us to move it. We decided to never roleplay with truck drivers after that time.

Similarly once in RS4 we tried to steal SFPD cars and demanded that our friend (Who was being 'investigated' at the time) be released. The result? Kicked for script abuse (We towed the cars).

Similarly many people say that kidnapping is uncreative. I ask you, how the hell is it uncreative to kidnap someone, take them to chilliad, hang them by a rope over the edge and demand a truck full of donuts? But every single time we tried to do any kind of a kidnap it's the same thing. Someone will call you and talk to you. Then they'll accept whatever demands you want but first they want to see the victim. They'll then pepper spray you while their friends storm in. Nothing else, nada.

When you get pulled over, most of the times the officer just doesn't care to roleplay. You can tell him that your car was broken or the brakes aren't working and they won't care. Pull over or /su. Pay fine or /su. Pay fine in 3 seconds or i /su. Go.

Not to mention the fact that it's pretty hard to even be a criminal in the game. If you're in a car with four people and suddenly one of them gets a random rhl timer running out, an admin will tell them to either get out of the car or they'll kick/ban them. What the hell? You're kicking people out of a roleplay because a damn script doesn't want them in it anymore?

Also don't tell me that this rule has been here since 2011. The first time i ever saw this 'version' was in 2014. Before that the rule was that if you get seperated from the roleplay and then escape, you can't join it again without already being a suspect again. But somewhere along the line in 2014 it mutated into the idea that if you escape then no matter what the hell you're doing, you need to get removed from the roleplay.

I'm not saying that everybody is like this. People like devin and cyril were fun to .. well do whatever you want with them. But argonath has evolved to the point where any kind of roleplay other than the 'standard' is forced out. First, cops are everywhere. No matter what you're doing they'll just park behind you or follow you or even call out on the radio that there's 8 people and they're probably up to something and soon there'll be more behind you. How are you expected to roleplay when there's cops behind you just waiting to pull out their guns? Ask them to leave, they'll either ignore you or say no. No matter what you're doing, they're just sitting there waiting for you to do something that they can /su you for. Only way to get rid of them is to break up and try to meet later, 30 minutes wasted.

Again, not everybody is like this. There's lots and lots of people that are amazing to roleplay with. Sadly you have to figure out who they are and stick to them while the rest go on forums and moan about how nobody roleplays with them.

This means the only way to a successful roleplay is away from the cops. As a general rule of thumb, we usually never included anybody that had a blue name. We did, however, include people who we knew were cool with it and did not radio 207 207 207 as soon as they saw someone with armor approaching. We did include everybody when we tried to do things like marry them. I still remember the time we kidnapped leroy and tried to wed him to Robert Ancelotti. There was a SWAT team aiming at us and us aiming at them. We actually got them married but they couldn't get to avispa for their honeymoon safely.

Anyway, once you've eliminated the cops you have another obstruction, the players. Almost everybody is not interested in roleplay. Many of them don't even have the courtesy of saying 'no'. They'll just report you and wait for an admin to 'clear you out'. Truck drivers certainly aren't. Cops are too risky. They'll probably go along with it but there's a about 20% chance that you're going to end up getting shot within the next five minutes. Firemen are usually great roleplayers, go for them. Taxi drivers are usually nice too but new players can be kind of hard to handle so make sure your members know not to shoot them if they don't match up to the level of roleplay expected of more experienced players (Eg. killing them if they don't respond to you shooting their leg). Admins are great roleplayers but more than half the time they'll either be on police duty or standing at pershing with a red name. They have to, sadly.

Well, that post was longer than expected.. I was hoping to conclude this in two or three paragraphs but apparently i got carried away. tl;dr How do you expect people to roleplay creatively if you'll just end up suspecting them for it and then shooting till they /gu or put them in admin jail?
The script is supposed to enable people to roleplay but over time it seems that it has instead evolved into a burden instead of an assistant. This is further multiplied by ideas like 'script abuse'. At one point script abuse referred to spamming some absurd command to become a millionaire. Now if you use a script for almost anything but it's intended purpose for long enough, an admin will be there to stop you.

Note: This post is not intended to be in any way pro-criminal or anti-cop. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your post. I can also name just as many blunders by criminal groups as by police groups, but i chose to defend the criminals as you chose to attack them.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Miller786 on April 08, 2015, 04:29:40 pm
Oh yea i remember when i suggested this last year about the same old italian mafia names, the topic soon derailed in pure foolishness...
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: ssaammee on April 08, 2015, 05:03:41 pm
Can't decide if this is the all time funniest or saddest topic. S'madda with y'all? Go IG and have fun, can't be more original than that.

(http://imgi.se/image.php?di=N6QG)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Hamza_Khan on April 08, 2015, 05:13:02 pm
Well Philip's post explained everything.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Sandi on April 08, 2015, 05:28:42 pm
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Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Luke on April 08, 2015, 05:34:12 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/jwimd.jpg)

Not sure if trying some banter or being serious  :lol:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Acika on April 08, 2015, 05:38:25 pm
Well said Philip. One of a few reasonable people left around here.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Sandi on April 08, 2015, 05:38:58 pm
Luke, you'll burn in hell for that  :rofl:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2015, 05:40:51 pm
I would probably take this seriously, but taking the fact that the whole community is using LOTR names and is even called ARGONATH itself into consideration, I really doubt this can be taken seriously at all  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

P.S: those bad girling about Teddy's name - you guys realise that none of you are "original" because somebody else in the world also has that name?  :rofl:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Luke on April 08, 2015, 05:41:17 pm
Luke, you'll burn in hell for that  :rofl:

It's only fun,  ;)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Pandalink on April 08, 2015, 05:43:25 pm
try googling Araatus

literally came up with it from nothing
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2015, 05:51:28 pm
Well, i might aswell post something back on topic again, perhaps i can bring it back.

The apollo missions were named after the God Apollo, Believed by the greeks to be the god of the light and the sun (Among other things).

Your name is teddy. Derived from Theodore if i'm correct. The name theodore is derived from the greek name theodoros translating roughly to "Gift of God". It was a very popular name in ancient greece and later came to the Christian world. The Christian church encouraged people to name their children after saints, and hence people started to get named after Saint theodore. Your name is being dragged on without modification since atleast the 7th century. It has been Copy Pasta'd for atleast 1300 years.

Further if you want to go into names, almost every name, whatsoever is named after something or the other. People have already pointed out Argonath's own name but i'd really like you to point out a few things which were not named after anything. The name Gvardia can be traced back to Pasha Gvardia which was the oldest reference i found, and probably even more had we any records of history beyond that.

Not to mention the fact that if you want to actually roleplay seriously, you need a proper name. You can't make a name like oobla joobla family. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with using another name.

That said, how the heck do you intend to ask people to be more creative while at the same time witchhunting them? Almost anything out of the ordinary gets you in either jail or admin jail.

Back when Ancelotti was active we did many roleplays we had never seen in argonath, and almost everytime we were told to stop. We tried to block roads and roleplay illegally extorting truck drivers for money to pass. The result? Move your cars or i'll ban you. Out of the many times we did this, someone would just drive up to us and if we tried to roleplay with him, they'd just tell us to let him pass or he'll report us. We didn't really care so we let him pass. Then some guy comes along and without even asking us to let him pass, he directly reports us and there's an undercover admin telling us to move it. We decided to never roleplay with truck drivers after that time.

Similarly once in RS4 we tried to steal SFPD cars and demanded that our friend (Who was being 'investigated' at the time) be released. The result? Kicked for script abuse (We towed the cars).

Similarly many people say that kidnapping is uncreative. I ask you, how the hell is it uncreative to kidnap someone, take them to chilliad, hang them by a rope over the edge and demand a truck full of donuts? But every single time we tried to do any kind of a kidnap it's the same thing. Someone will call you and talk to you. Then they'll accept whatever demands you want but first they want to see the victim. They'll then pepper spray you while their friends storm in. Nothing else, nada.

When you get pulled over, most of the times the officer just doesn't care to roleplay. You can tell him that your car was broken or the brakes aren't working and they won't care. Pull over or /su. Pay fine or /su. Pay fine in 3 seconds or i /su. Go.

Not to mention the fact that it's pretty hard to even be a criminal in the game. If you're in a car with four people and suddenly one of them gets a random rhl timer running out, an admin will tell them to either get out of the car or they'll kick/ban them. What the hell? You're kicking people out of a roleplay because a damn script doesn't want them in it anymore?

Also don't tell me that this rule has been here since 2011. The first time i ever saw this 'version' was in 2014. Before that the rule was that if you get seperated from the roleplay and then escape, you can't join it again without already being a suspect again. But somewhere along the line in 2014 it mutated into the idea that if you escape then no matter what the hell you're doing, you need to get removed from the roleplay.

I'm not saying that everybody is like this. People like devin and cyril were fun to .. well do whatever you want with them. But argonath has evolved to the point where any kind of roleplay other than the 'standard' is forced out. First, cops are everywhere. No matter what you're doing they'll just park behind you or follow you or even call out on the radio that there's 8 people and they're probably up to something and soon there'll be more behind you. How are you expected to roleplay when there's cops behind you just waiting to pull out their guns? Ask them to leave, they'll either ignore you or say no. No matter what you're doing, they're just sitting there waiting for you to do something that they can /su you for. Only way to get rid of them is to break up and try to meet later, 30 minutes wasted.

Again, not everybody is like this. There's lots and lots of people that are amazing to roleplay with. Sadly you have to figure out who they are and stick to them while the rest go on forums and moan about how nobody roleplays with them.

This means the only way to a successful roleplay is away from the cops. As a general rule of thumb, we usually never included anybody that had a blue name. We did, however, include people who we knew were cool with it and did not radio 207 207 207 as soon as they saw someone with armor approaching. We did include everybody when we tried to do things like marry them. I still remember the time we kidnapped leroy and tried to wed him to Robert Ancelotti. There was a SWAT team aiming at us and us aiming at them. We actually got them married but they couldn't get to avispa for their honeymoon safely.

Anyway, once you've eliminated the cops you have another obstruction, the players. Almost everybody is not interested in roleplay. Many of them don't even have the courtesy of saying 'no'. They'll just report you and wait for an admin to 'clear you out'. Truck drivers certainly aren't. Cops are too risky. They'll probably go along with it but there's a about 20% chance that you're going to end up getting shot within the next five minutes. Firemen are usually great roleplayers, go for them. Taxi drivers are usually nice too but new players can be kind of hard to handle so make sure your members know not to shoot them if they don't match up to the level of roleplay expected of more experienced players (Eg. killing them if they don't respond to you shooting their leg). Admins are great roleplayers but more than half the time they'll either be on police duty or standing at pershing with a red name. They have to, sadly.

Well, that post was longer than expected.. I was hoping to conclude this in two or three paragraphs but apparently i got carried away. tl;dr How do you expect people to roleplay creatively if you'll just end up suspecting them for it and then shooting till they /gu or put them in admin jail?
The script is supposed to enable people to roleplay but over time it seems that it has instead evolved into a burden instead of an assistant. This is further multiplied by ideas like 'script abuse'. At one point script abuse referred to spamming some absurd command to become a millionaire. Now if you use a script for almost anything but it's intended purpose for long enough, an admin will be there to stop you.

Note: This post is not intended to be in any way pro-criminal or anti-cop. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your post. I can also name just as many blunders by criminal groups as by police groups, but i chose to defend the criminals as you chose to attack them.

This tho... Everyone should read this.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: AK47 on April 08, 2015, 05:51:47 pm
Well, i might aswell post something back on topic again, perhaps i can bring it back.

The apollo missions were named after the God Apollo, Believed by the greeks to be the god of the light and the sun (Among other things).

Your name is teddy. Derived from Theodore if i'm correct. The name theodore is derived from the greek name theodoros translating roughly to "Gift of God". It was a very popular name in ancient greece and later came to the Christian world. The Christian church encouraged people to name their children after saints, and hence people started to get named after Saint theodore. Your name is being dragged on without modification since atleast the 7th century. It has been Copy Pasta'd for atleast 1300 years.

Further if you want to go into names, almost every name, whatsoever is named after something or the other. People have already pointed out Argonath's own name but i'd really like you to point out a few things which were not named after anything. The name Gvardia can be traced back to Pasha Gvardia which was the oldest reference i found, and probably even more had we any records of history beyond that.

Not to mention the fact that if you want to actually roleplay seriously, you need a proper name. You can't make a name like oobla joobla family. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with using another name.

That said, how the heck do you intend to ask people to be more creative while at the same time witchhunting them? Almost anything out of the ordinary gets you in either jail or admin jail.

Back when Ancelotti was active we did many roleplays we had never seen in argonath, and almost everytime we were told to stop. We tried to block roads and roleplay illegally extorting truck drivers for money to pass. The result? Move your cars or i'll ban you. Out of the many times we did this, someone would just drive up to us and if we tried to roleplay with him, they'd just tell us to let him pass or he'll report us. We didn't really care so we let him pass. Then some guy comes along and without even asking us to let him pass, he directly reports us and there's an undercover admin telling us to move it. We decided to never roleplay with truck drivers after that time.

Similarly once in RS4 we tried to steal SFPD cars and demanded that our friend (Who was being 'investigated' at the time) be released. The result? Kicked for script abuse (We towed the cars).

Similarly many people say that kidnapping is uncreative. I ask you, how the hell is it uncreative to kidnap someone, take them to chilliad, hang them by a rope over the edge and demand a truck full of donuts? But every single time we tried to do any kind of a kidnap it's the same thing. Someone will call you and talk to you. Then they'll accept whatever demands you want but first they want to see the victim. They'll then pepper spray you while their friends storm in. Nothing else, nada.

When you get pulled over, most of the times the officer just doesn't care to roleplay. You can tell him that your car was broken or the brakes aren't working and they won't care. Pull over or /su. Pay fine or /su. Pay fine in 3 seconds or i /su. Go.

Not to mention the fact that it's pretty hard to even be a criminal in the game. If you're in a car with four people and suddenly one of them gets a random rhl timer running out, an admin will tell them to either get out of the car or they'll kick/ban them. What the hell? You're kicking people out of a roleplay because a damn script doesn't want them in it anymore?

Also don't tell me that this rule has been here since 2011. The first time i ever saw this 'version' was in 2014. Before that the rule was that if you get seperated from the roleplay and then escape, you can't join it again without already being a suspect again. But somewhere along the line in 2014 it mutated into the idea that if you escape then no matter what the hell you're doing, you need to get removed from the roleplay.

I'm not saying that everybody is like this. People like devin and cyril were fun to .. well do whatever you want with them. But argonath has evolved to the point where any kind of roleplay other than the 'standard' is forced out. First, cops are everywhere. No matter what you're doing they'll just park behind you or follow you or even call out on the radio that there's 8 people and they're probably up to something and soon there'll be more behind you. How are you expected to roleplay when there's cops behind you just waiting to pull out their guns? Ask them to leave, they'll either ignore you or say no. No matter what you're doing, they're just sitting there waiting for you to do something that they can /su you for. Only way to get rid of them is to break up and try to meet later, 30 minutes wasted.

Again, not everybody is like this. There's lots and lots of people that are amazing to roleplay with. Sadly you have to figure out who they are and stick to them while the rest go on forums and moan about how nobody roleplays with them.

This means the only way to a successful roleplay is away from the cops. As a general rule of thumb, we usually never included anybody that had a blue name. We did, however, include people who we knew were cool with it and did not radio 207 207 207 as soon as they saw someone with armor approaching. We did include everybody when we tried to do things like marry them. I still remember the time we kidnapped leroy and tried to wed him to Robert Ancelotti. There was a SWAT team aiming at us and us aiming at them. We actually got them married but they couldn't get to avispa for their honeymoon safely.

Anyway, once you've eliminated the cops you have another obstruction, the players. Almost everybody is not interested in roleplay. Many of them don't even have the courtesy of saying 'no'. They'll just report you and wait for an admin to 'clear you out'. Truck drivers certainly aren't. Cops are too risky. They'll probably go along with it but there's a about 20% chance that you're going to end up getting shot within the next five minutes. Firemen are usually great roleplayers, go for them. Taxi drivers are usually nice too but new players can be kind of hard to handle so make sure your members know not to shoot them if they don't match up to the level of roleplay expected of more experienced players (Eg. killing them if they don't respond to you shooting their leg). Admins are great roleplayers but more than half the time they'll either be on police duty or standing at pershing with a red name. They have to, sadly.

Well, that post was longer than expected.. I was hoping to conclude this in two or three paragraphs but apparently i got carried away. tl;dr How do you expect people to roleplay creatively if you'll just end up suspecting them for it and then shooting till they /gu or put them in admin jail?
The script is supposed to enable people to roleplay but over time it seems that it has instead evolved into a burden instead of an assistant. This is further multiplied by ideas like 'script abuse'. At one point script abuse referred to spamming some absurd command to become a millionaire. Now if you use a script for almost anything but it's intended purpose for long enough, an admin will be there to stop you.

Note: This post is not intended to be in any way pro-criminal or anti-cop. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your post. I can also name just as many blunders by criminal groups as by police groups, but i chose to defend the criminals as you chose to attack them.

 :app:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Pandalink on April 08, 2015, 05:57:24 pm
Damn I actually just read through Philip's post properly.

Dropping some fucking truth bombs right there, everyone should read it. Deserves its own topic really.

 :app:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: RizzE. on April 08, 2015, 06:05:45 pm
I would probably take this seriously, but taking the fact that the whole community is using LOTR names and is even called ARGONATH itself into consideration, I really doubt this can be taken seriously at all  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

P.S: those bad girling about Teddy's name - you guys realise that none of you are "original" because somebody else in the world also has that name?  :rofl:

(http://www.troll.me/images/asslicker/asslicking-its-not-good.jpg)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Lustigkurre on April 08, 2015, 06:23:40 pm

Similarly once in RS4 we tried to steal SFPD cars and demanded that our friend (Who was being 'investigated' at the time) be released. The result? Kicked for script abuse (We towed the cars).

Not to mention the fact that it's pretty hard to even be a criminal in the game. If you're in a car with four people and suddenly one of them gets a random rhl timer running out, an admin will tell them to either get out of the car or they'll kick/ban them. What the hell? You're kicking people out of a roleplay because a damn script doesn't want them in it anymore?

Also don't tell me that this rule has been here since 2011. The first time i ever saw this 'version' was in 2014. Before that the rule was that if you get seperated from the roleplay and then escape, you can't join it again without already being a suspect again. But somewhere along the line in 2014 it mutated into the idea that if you escape then no matter what the hell you're doing, you need to get removed from the roleplay.

The script is supposed to enable people to roleplay but over time it seems that it has instead evolved into a burden instead of an assistant. This is further multiplied by ideas like 'script abuse'. At one point script abuse referred to spamming some absurd command to become a millionaire. Now if you use a script for almost anything but it's intended purpose for long enough, an admin will be there to stop you.


Yes, totally agree with you on these points.
Me myself got perm banned for shooting the tires of a locked motorbike with the intend to do some sabotage for a biker gang. (script doesn't let you, but there's a way around it which I used, and why wouldn't you be able to shoot the tires of a bike just cause its locked?)

You just put words on the most strange things that are around.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: LoHi on April 08, 2015, 06:37:58 pm
Teddy: I though shitting on the community was a bannable offense. :cop:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Acika on April 08, 2015, 06:43:25 pm
@Lustigkurre

You need to understand that its perfectly fine when cops do the same to suspect. (poping his personal locked vehicles tires). They never got banned for that. 
Seems like it just depends on whos doing it.
Should we bring the double standards topic back which got locked cause the heat of truth was too hot for someone.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Exterminator on April 08, 2015, 06:54:55 pm
Teddy: I though shitting on the community was a bannable offense. :cop:

Seriously? He's just stating his opinion. Just because you disagree with him does not give you the right to shit on him.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 07:01:50 pm
Don't even try turn the topic into something like that.
You and your buddies turned it into what it was, so watchu talkin' 'bout Willis?
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 07:18:03 pm
You and your buddies turned it into what it was, so watchu talkin' 'bout Willis?

I don't have any "buddies", sorry.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 07:18:40 pm
I don't have any "buddies", sorry.
What ever you like to call them. :)
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: morris_darnell on April 08, 2015, 07:21:56 pm
b itching and moaning is like sitting in a rocking chair. You've got something to do, but you're not really getting anywhere.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2015, 07:22:17 pm
(http://www.troll.me/images/asslicker/asslicking-its-not-good.jpg)

That feeling when you want to be a smartass so much that you find a picture on the internet that completely does not fit into the context and you look like a complete moron. Do you know it? Yes you know it.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 07:29:08 pm
What ever you like to call them. :)

I am sorry, did your toys fall out of your cot again? You seem to want to create an argument for some random reason.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 07:35:16 pm
I am sorry, did your toys fall out of your cot again? You seem to want to create an argument for some random reason.
No, yet someone needs to confront you. Quite hypocritical of you to mention how "Dellstorm's topic turned out", yet you were part of the reason why it even went that way.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 07:40:35 pm
No, yet someone needs to confront you. Quite hypocritical of you to mention how "Dellstorm's topic turned out", yet you were part of the reason why it even went that way.

There's more going on than you are aware of but clearly you know everything as per usual. I was not the one to bring up that topic either.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 07:52:57 pm
There's more going on than you are aware of but clearly you know everything as per usual. I was not the one to bring up that topic either.
I kind of have some ideas of why you and those others admins acted how they did, but I'd rather not mention. No, yet you contributed in the trolling that was going on in it, which was extremely uncalled for, especially against a guy such as Dellstorm. Shame on you...
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Devin on April 08, 2015, 07:59:14 pm
I had nothing to do with the "trolling" as you call it, but some others were involved. Too bad you class everyone with a different name colour than the regular colour as one person in your mind.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Antonio. on April 08, 2015, 08:07:07 pm
Too bad you class everyone with a different name colour than the regular colour as one person in your mind.
You're just as ignoble, or as you say, "same color" as all those other ones. So don't worry, you're not getting any other treatment that I would give to them too. This goes to all of those hypocrites, the same ones who sit back and hate on others who were actually a nice part of this community and at the same time they can't contribute shit to it, but are the first ones to jump up and talk shit as if they had any idea or improvements to recommend. Don't take it personal...
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Luke on April 08, 2015, 08:16:54 pm
Can we just both quit it now? Seriously it's over nothing and completely pointless.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Everett on April 08, 2015, 08:38:54 pm
inb4 another popcorn post
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Tiny on April 08, 2015, 08:46:33 pm
inb4 another popcorn post

Yeah because it's such a funny way to say 'oh, I'm better than those arguing'.

Believe it or not, you have more things to learn from arguements even if they're silly, to defend your opinion than posting useless stuff to show you're better. I love reading the posts not because I have a laugh, but because people are expressing their opinions.

Also big ups for the post, Philip.
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Yasko on April 08, 2015, 08:53:46 pm
Can we just both quit it now? Seriously it's over nothing and completely pointless.
:app:
Title: Re: Please have some originality
Post by: Teddy on April 08, 2015, 08:57:27 pm
Well this got derailed quickly.

Can't say I'm surprised.
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