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The Turkish military have reportedly shot down a Russian military aircraft on the border with Syria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34907983
About time someone did something about their constant incursions into foreign airspace.
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Implying that the Turkish Military doesn't do that? Even the greek does. I hope this doesn't end badly.
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The last we need is more countries on the verge of war with each other. :neutral2:
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About time someone did something about their constant incursions into foreign airspace.
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Implying that the Turkish Military doesn't do that? Even the greek does. I hope this doesn't end badly.
Russia has done it to Europe for years, they may not have flown directly into our airspaces but they scrape very close to it all the time before returning back to Russia, though their submarines have actually been entering foreign waters, there was Sweden last year and now it's suspected they are in waters above Scotland, the RAF, Royal Navy and a French recon plane is searching for that, though it's probably already left.
The last we need is more countries on the verge of war with each other. :neutral2:
WW3...
I think this is hilarious to be honest, I don't think Russia thought Turkey would do it, however I doubt anything will come of this, Russia will likely just try to quiet it down to avoid shame that one of their jets is capable of being shot down, I imagine they tell Russians that they are the worlds most advanced and indestructible aircraft... :rolleyes:
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I doubt it means war or conflict in any term. The Turkish F-16s had shot down the plane after repeatedly warning the russian aircraft without any responds. Every country would do the same in such situation. It's just a violation.
2015, this year. We had 15 Russian aircraft violations on Swedish territory. We always send up a fighter jet to investigate and communicate. If the pilot do not respond they have clearance to shoot it down.
Hopefully, it does not mean too much. :)
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I dont know the politics between the two countries, but I know this stems from the cold war is which everyone is butt-hurt from a non-winning pissing match.
Politics aside, it was just a multi-million dollar craft destroyed, both Pilot and Co-Pilot seemed to deploy chutes and were uninjured (as far as early reports go). Money can be replaced and reprinted. Human beings cannot be. Regardless of what those pilots were told to do, they can walk away and see their families again.
There is solace in that specific truth.
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Pilot and Co-Pilot seemed to deploy chutes and were uninjured (as far as early reports go). Money can be replaced and reprinted. Human beings cannot be. Regardless of what those pilots were told to do, they can walk away and see their families again.
Oh really? Just BBC reported that 1 pilot is captured and in the hands of Turkey and another is possibly dead, reports suggested that 'unfriendly militants' had recorded a video showing his corpse...
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Finally. They got what they deserved, to be honest.
I do not want war, but atleast for once Russian provocations have bitten them in the ass. It was not a stab in the back, as Putin called it, it was the repercussions of their agressive foreign policy biting them back.
They have been constantly violating the Baltic and Swedish airspaces, making NATO jets from Lithuania and Sweden rise up to chase them out on nearly weekly basis. Do you see any other reasoning of this other than just plain provocation against the NATO and attempts to intimidate the Baltics?
I adore Turkey for being to locate its testicles and show these war-monging bastards that their actions can and will have repercussions. Maybe they will stand down with their stupid planes after that.
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Apparently a Russian helicopter trying to survey the wreckage has now been shot down...
Edit:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003
And one of the jet pilots is dead...
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Apparently a Russian helicopter trying to survey the wreckage has now been shot down...
Edit:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003
And one of the jet pilots is dead...
A shame. He fell as a victim of his own countries foreign policy.
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Lol the bullshit, stupidity, and hypocrisy a person can read here is hilarious.
>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.
When #prayforlondon happens, make sure you look yourself in the mirror, and realize just how stupid you went.
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Finally. They got what they deserved, to be honest.
You should get one as well.
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Russia has done it to Europe for years, they may not have flown directly into our airspaces but they scrape very close to it all the time before returning back to Russia, though their submarines have actually been entering foreign waters, there was Sweden last year and now it's suspected they are in waters above Scotland, the RAF, Royal Navy and a French recon plane is searching for that, though it's probably already left.
Greek and Turkish planes have chased each other over foreign borders countless times in the past, I don't think anyone was shot down yet though.
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...shoots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together...
Agreed. Politics though. I'm not a fan of Russia, but America is becoming a Socialist society, and truth be told, Putin has more balls to do anything about it. But even this is just a show of power against America to prove the whole USA vs Russia. Leads into semantics though.
Finally. They got what they deserved, to be honest.
Great way to value human life.
I do not want war
Apparently you do, thinking anyone deserves to die for someone elses' causes.
Oh really? Just BBC reported that 1 pilot is captured and in the hands of Turkey and another is possibly dead
Perhaps I should have said "have the chance to walk away despite those they are forced to serve give direct orders, and if you disobey, it becomes treasonous.".
..this stems from the cold war is which everyone is butt-hurt from a non-winning pissing match.
This is the same old USvsTHEM logic. When THEY deserve it, WE don't. When WE get it, it's a tragedy and travesty. Seriously guys, both sides of this situation are human. Additionally, war is old men playing, and young men dying. There will never be unification of sides. Let's all quit pissing in the wind and calling it a rain shower.
Side note: do not think I don't appreciate you guy's viewpoint. It's one not seen often here and we are conditioned to generalize and build an US vs THEM system. To blame the solder for following orders is ignorant beyond belief, though.
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Lol the bullshit, stupidity, and hypocrisy a person can read here is hilarious.
>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.
When #prayforlondon happens, make sure you look yourself in the mirror, and realize just how stupid you went.
Turkey granted no access to Russia's military into its territory. It doesn't matter whom they were fighting - they disrespected the borders of another country and failed to leave after ten warnings. If Russia cannot understand civilised diplomacy talk, then Turkey did what it should do - respond in their own language, flexing of muscles , that is.
And no, we do not celebrate. We just point out that what has happened is nothing but a consequence of Russia's agressive foreign policy.
Great way to value human life.
Death of these men can be blamed on no-one but the Russian government.
Apparently you do, thinking anyone deserves to die for someone elses' causes.
You're having problems with proportions here. Russia TRESSPASSED territory of ANOTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. It FAILED to divert its plane after TEN WARNINGS given out in five minutes.
So, applying your logic : a country invades us, but let's not fight back, because human lives matter.
Seriously? DO you even think before you write?
Greek and Turkish planes have chased each other over foreign borders countless times in the past, I don't think anyone was shot down yet though.
I am pretty sure that Greeks are literate and can comprehend the warnings given to them, but it seems that Russia doesn't.
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I dont know why the majority of the posts expressing glad that this event happened not sure if doing it just for the sake of the argument or really ignorance of whats going on in the middle east,since 2011 US and its allies are claiming the war on ISIS and this last just kept growing more and more financially and morally taking over the west of syria all of it,it was obvious that US and its geographic allies in the mideast generally, Turkey specifically helping ISIS throught the turkey/syria borders to let ISIS fighters trained by US and US weapons throught taking cover under the fact that Tukey opened borders for Refugees,Turkey is just another pawn for US/Israel to stand against Assad and fulfill US agenda in the midle east,Russia is also trying to defend its own purposes but atleast they are against those piggy terrorists,but I'm not surprised ISIS ISIL ALQAEDA AL NOSSRA they are all intellegencies products to how can US fight its own agents.
Back to the downed Jet,I dont think that Vladimir Putin will take agressive actions on revenge (Wich i'll gladly welcome it as decision) but he is smarter than that.Turkey you just fucked up big time.
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Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit fucking around.
All the Turkey=ISIS comments and other unrelated stuff is pretty amusing. :P
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I dont know why the majority of the posts expressing glad that this event happened not sure if doing it just for the sake of the argument or really ignorance of whats going on in the middle east,since 2011 US and its allies are claiming the war on ISIS and this last just kept growing more and more financially and morally taking over the west of syria all of it,it was obvious that US and its geographic allies in the mideast generally, Turkey specifically helping ISIS throught the turkey/syria borders to let ISIS fighters trained by US and US weapons throught taking cover under the fact that Tukey opened borders for Refugees,Turkey is just another pawn for US/Israel to stand against Assad and fulfill US agenda in the midle east,Russia is also trying to defend its own purposes but atleast they are against those piggy terrorists,but I'm not surprised ISIS ISIL ALQAEDA AL NOSSRA they are all intellegencies products to how can US fight its own agents.
Back to the downed Jet,I dont think that Vladimir Putin will take agressive actions on revenge (Wich i'll gladly welcome it as decision) but he is smarter than that.Turkey you just fucked up big time.
USA this, USA that, boo fucking hoo.
When will you conspiracy theorists actually come to anything constructive and back up your ridiculous, illogical claims with actual EVIDENCE! That's right, your blaber is NOT EVIDENCE.
Besides, how on earth do you think the US benefits from ISIS bombing Europe? It's only ally?
Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit f**cking around.
Exactly my point.
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I still find it incredible, compared, earth is such a small place and people still claim their 'parts', instead of running it free (I know, I know, ISIS, people will kill eachother, etc). But everything is being claimed, there's barely any freedom. Then when we are trying to protect the earth from the 'bad apples', we shoot down the 'good guys' because they're 'in our air-space'. Not like they're attacking you, they're attacking the bad guys. Just shows how little rights we actually have if we can't even protect ourselves from the bad.
Oh well, I've been trying to avoid this argument most of the time, but from what I've seen lately. Russians have been acting up the best against ISIS (Actually making proper targeted attacks and trying to make the least civil casualties, unlike France and the US). But since most of the world is 'Anti Russia' because they did things in the past and people seem to be unable to forget that, unlike things that Germany/ the US did. I used to actually 'dislike' Russia because of what I heard from people, but I did some research in to it, and Russia isn't all that bad. Sure they fly over foreign countries with 'war planes'. But do you really think the US or Germany don't spy on you with drones, satellites, etc.
Other than that, on the real topic. May everyone who fought for right that has died or got injured today rest in peace.
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With all due respect we all know that Turkey is helping ISIL.
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Lol the bullshit, stupidity, and hypocrisy a person can read here is hilarious.
>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.
When #prayforlondon happens, make sure you look yourself in the mirror, and realize just how stupid you went.
I'm not spreading any bullshit or hypocrisy, I actually support what Russia is doing in Syria, it was peaceful under Assad's regime, trying to kick him out has only made things worse and I do believe the west should be working with Russia to stabilise the county.
I'm aware Turkey hasn't done any good in this whole ISIS situation, but Russia did fly into their airspace, and they cannot deny it, they got what they deserved for that, Russia has flew their nice shiny out-dated 'Bear Bombers' near UK airspace quite a few times, everytime they've been met by the RAF who ensured they did not enter, if they did the situation would have been the same, Russia wouldn't like it if we flew jets in/near their airspace and so they shouldn't do it to others.
I can't see '#PrayForLondon' happening, not to sound big headed but our security services are doing an extremely good job in preventing attacks, and it is also VERY hard to get a simple hand gun in the UK, never mind an AK-47...
USA this, USA that, boo f**cking hoo.
You're a fine one to talk Rytuklis, you don't shut up about Lithuania and the 'Baltic states', whatever they are.
Can we not get this topic locked by bringing ISIS and Paris and various other arguments that people can't just leave alone, this is about a jet being shot down for entering another countries airspace without permission, nothing to do with ISIS, if you don't want to talk about the original post, don't bother posting anything at all.
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Death of these men can be blamed on no-one but the Russian government.
Blamed on men on both sides. Those that trespass, and those that choose to authorize death. I was discussing the men caught between the two, the Pilot and Co-Pilot.
You're having problems with proportions here. Russia TRESSPASSED territory of ANOTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. It FAILED to divert its plane after TEN WARNINGS given out in five minutes.
I'm not disagreeing with your logic, I'm disagreeing with your morality.
So, applying your logic : a country invades us, but let's not fight back, because human lives matter.
Fight back? Invade? Really? It is apparent that this has been going on for a while and this is the first time anyone has done actionable. If it was an invasion, I think it would be a little more involved than a single aircraft on an off-books mission and a recon plane to try to gather intel on the downed craft of one of their own. Guess you would just lay down and die if the roles were reversed.
Seriously? DO you even think before you write?
I must not put any thought into anything I say to value human life, no matter the circumstance, since its only my opinion and perspective I am offering. You are being unnecessarily hostile during a conversation about humanity and humility. This whole event may have or can cost human lives because of the very exact arrogance you are displaying.
I still find it incredible, compared, earth is such a small place and people still claim their 'parts', instead of running it free (I know, I know, ISIS, people will kill eachother, etc). But everything is being claimed, there's barely any freedom. Then when we are trying to protect the earth from the 'bad apples', we shoot down the 'good guys' because they're 'in our air-space'. Not like they're attacking you, they're attacking the bad guys. Just shows how little rights we actually have if we can't even protect ourselves from the bad.
Oh well, I've been trying to avoid this argument most of the time, but from what I've seen lately. Russians have been acting up the best against ISIS (Actually making proper targeted attacks and trying to make the least civil casualties, unlike France and the US). But since most of the world is 'Anti Russia' because they did things in the past and people seem to be unable to forget that, unlike things that Germany/ the US did. I used to actually 'dislike' Russia because of what I heard from people, but I did some research in to it, and Russia isn't all that bad. Sure they fly over foreign countries with 'war planes'. But do you really think the US or Germany don't spy on you with drones, satellites, etc.
Other than that, on the real topic. May everyone who fought for right that has died or got injured today rest in peace.
I was going to clip this quote, but find that every bit of it is well better said and thought out than I ever could provide.
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Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit f**cking around.
All the Turkey=ISIS comments and other unrelated stuff is pretty amusing. :P
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Russia actually fights ISIS. Turkey and USA support them.
True World's terrorists are NATO and United States.
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You're a fine one to talk Rytuklis, you don't shut up about Lithuania and the 'Baltic states', whatever they are.
This is extremely out of context for starters. And for second, nothing but display of ignorance about the world around you.
I'm aware Turkey hasn't done any good in this whole ISIS situation, but Russia did fly into their airspace, and they cannot deny it, they got what they deserved for that, Russia has flew their nice shiny out-dated 'Bear Bombers' near UK airspace quite a few times, everytime they've been met by the RAF who ensured they did not enter, if they did the situation would have been the same, Russia wouldn't like it if we flew jets in/near their airspace and so they shouldn't do it to others.
This I agree with.
I can't see '#PrayForLondon' happening, not to sound big headed but our security services are doing an extremely good job in preventing attacks, and it is also VERY hard to get a simple hand gun in the UK, never mind an AK-47...
Well, Paris had strictest gun laws in EU as far as I'm aware. Did not exactly prevent the attacks. Black Market doesn't care about gun control. If you think the guys just went to a Parisian store and bought an AK47, you must be out of your mind.
Russia actually fights ISIS. Turkey and USA support them.
True World's terrorists are NATO and United States.
Once again, nothing but blaber completely unsupported by any facts.
Oh, and by the way, Russia fighting ISIS? They're not fighting ISIS, they don't care about ISIS. Their bombstrikes are driven by nothing but selfish means. They're bombing anyone that opposes the Assad regime. Their goal is to help Assad win the struggle for the government, not to destroy ISIS. Most of their bomb strikes were directed at Free Syrian Army, so no, they're not fighting ISIS. Yet Putin's public relations team has really managed to make him look like ä good guy in the eyes of the gullible ones like you.
I am not saying NATO is any better. Both the US and Russia should burn in hell. World would be much more peaceful without them.
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Once again, nothing but blaber completely unsupported by any facts.
Oh, and by the way, Russia fighting ISIS? They're not fighting ISIS, they don't care about ISIS. Their bombstrikes are driven by nothing but selfish means. They're bombing anyone that opposes the Assad regime. Their goal is to help Assad win the struggle for the government, not to destroy ISIS. Most of their bomb strikes were directed at Free Syrian Army, so no, they're not fighting ISIS. Yet Putin's public relations team has really managed to make him look like ä good guy in the eyes of the gullible ones like you.
I am not saying NATO is any better. Both the US and Russia should burn in hell. World would be much more peaceful without them.
He is a good guy in today's politics. What's wrong with Assad then? What do US have to do with him? Why don't Syrian people choose wether he should stay or not? They chosen to become refugees and not fight, they chosen to migrate to Europe. What about that?
US destroyed all wealthy nations in the middle east that wouldn't play how they tell them to.
Try to find info's on how ISIS started out and who gives them help.
Russia is a good country with high moral stands that offers balance in the World.
Thanks to creator of the Universe that we have Putin.
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Since everyone is kinda shifting away from the actual topic and turning it into another ISIS thing...
Russia is a good country with high moral stands that offers balance in the World.
Thanks to creator of the Universe that we have Putin.
kek'd
http://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.kOfFPUiRc (http://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.kOfFPUiRc)
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Since everyone is kinda shifting away from the actual topic and turning it into another ISIS thing...
kek'd
http://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.kOfFPUiRc (http://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.kOfFPUiRc)
Then why was hippie move shut down?
You have no clue, and you don't see.
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Then why was hippie move shut down?
You have no clue, and you don't see.
You're right, I have no idea what you're on about. Give the article a read.
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So just wanted to give an update from my side, I am not sure how reliable this information is, but it's from a Dutch news source (NOS).
They said that while the Russian fighter-jet pilots were parachuting down, they got shot out of the air (Technically executed, they did not have any weaponry out and just tried to survive the situation). The rescue helicopter that was sent to their aid also got shot out of the air, and the pilot did not make it.
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So just wanted to give an update from my side, I am not sure how reliable this information is, but it's from a Dutch news source (NOS).
They said that while the Russian fighter-jet pilots were parachuting down, they got shot out of the air (Technically executed, they did not have any weaponry out and just tried to survive the situation). The rescue helicopter that was sent to their aid also got shot out of the air, and the pilot did not make it.
Interesting, but considering the NOS its reputation of being unreliable in international matters, I'm skeptical.
The USSR's propaganda ministry is considerably bigger than Turkey's.
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At Borjans
(http://rs405.pbsrc.com/albums/pp132/AXESMI59/tin-foil-hat.jpg~c200)
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Like it's been said before, Russia has done this several times, in several country's, in Portugal they where also spotted in two different days, which made the Portuguese Air force deploy fighter jets on at least one of those occasions, fortunately Russian jet decided to back off, this time they weren't so lucky.
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It just weird's me out a bit, we all live on this globe, we all have to live with each other yet somehow for some reason when one decides to fly in to another's airspace (Yes I know, it's to protect 'themselves' from the mighty one airplane) it's still decided to take human life's. I agree, what Russia is doing is not the smartest decision. But shooting someone down because they are skimming your airspace, meh.
People are afraid of Russia attacking them, or they're afraid Russia will start world war three, yet the ones that are afraid are usually the ones that start with shooting.
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But shooting someone down because they are skimming your airspace, meh.
That's just protocol, Netherlands has the same, except in the Netherlands they leave after less warnings, after we've scrambled F16s on their tail. Not too long ago:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/23/world/europe/russian-bombers-intercepted/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/23/world/europe/russian-bombers-intercepted/)
This is entirely Russia's fault for ignoring warnings and ordering their airforce into foreign airspace like they always do. They simply order their pilots to ignore the warnings and never identify themselves to other countries. It was bound to go wrong some time and I can only say that I respect Turkey for not bending over to Russia's bullshit.
It is indeed a shame human lifes appear to have been lost, but to blame Turkey for this is downright wrong.
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That's just protocol, Netherlands has the same, except in the Netherlands they leave after less warnings, after we've scrambled F16s on their tail. Not too long ago:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/23/world/europe/russian-bombers-intercepted/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/23/world/europe/russian-bombers-intercepted/)
This is entirely Russia's fault for ignoring warnings and ordering their airforce into foreign airspace like they always do. They simply order their pilots to ignore the warnings and never identify themselves to other countries. It was bound to go wrong some time and I can only say that I respect Turkey for not bending over to Russia's bullshit.
It is indeed a shame human lifes appear to have been lost, but to blame Turkey for this is downright wrong.
Not blaming anyone for wrong doings, they're just doing as they're ordered/ trained. I just fail to see the proper purpose of it in the current era, having to shoot down people just because they fly somewhere. We all live on this planet and I just don't see the point in people 'claiming' their shit just because people are trying to help, and do fly in to their airspace.
It's not that Russia is going to claim world domination with one aircraft (And yes, I am aware of today's technology and what it can do).
And I am also aware that I am kind of sounding like on of those hippies at the moment, but I've actually been doing quite some research about all this and about Russia and what they've been doing and why quite a large amount of people /hate/ or /dislike/ the country.
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Before all you went stupid.. Oh wait too late for that...
NATO satellites confirmed that the Russian plane was hit around 2 km inside Syrian territory.
Your main argument just went down the toilet.
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Before all you went stupid.. Oh wait too late for that...
NATO satellites confirmed that the Russian plane was hit around 2 km inside Syrian territory.
Your main argument just went down the toilet.
Interesting source!
Here’s the radar picture showing both the Su-24 and the F-16 tracks. The violation was quite short. According to the Turkish authorities the Russian plane was issued 10 warnings in 5 minutes before being shot down.
(http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Radar-track.png)
Radar shows clear intent of entering Turkish airspace. Even if it came down in Syrian territory, that doesn't really change much.
Entering airspace and then completely ignoring 10 warnings is what this leads to.
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Yes it does. Go read international law.
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Oh, I didn't know we were talking diplomatic. ;}
Still, really nice source!
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>international law
>diplomatic
The ignorance you're showing is hilarious. Before you start talking out of your ass, go study the subject a little.
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>international law
>diplomatic
The ignorance you're showing is hilarious. Before you start talking out of your ass, go study the subject a little.
>ignorance, hilarious, study, talking out of your ass
>doesn't post sources
>disregards the subject and actual arguments/facts entirely
>brings up unrelated random tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories about ISIS and Turkey
nice greentexting m8
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Well, Paris had strictest gun laws in EU as far as I'm aware. Did not exactly prevent the attacks. Black Market doesn't care about gun control.
Well France, unlike the UK, isn't surrounded by ocean, that combined with strict gun control laws make it one of the hardest countries in the world to smuggle guns into, and if you do get them in, you're going to have a hard time selling them without being busted.
NATO satellites confirmed that the Russian plane was hit around 2 km inside Syrian territory.
Source?
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...on the real topic...May everyone who fought for right that has died or got injured today rest in peace.
Lets quit bickering, we are a community.
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Turkey does not enjoy that some Syrian rebvels are bombed who are fighting Assad.
As for downing the fighter, if it ignored warning even if the warnings were incorrect, it is a pilot error.
However killing the pilot when on a parachute is below ay form of humanity.
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Based on national law Turkey has all the right shoot against warplanes fighting in Turkey's air. They warned the russian plane over 10 times to leave, so...
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Based on national law Turkey has all the right shoot against warplanes fighting in Turkey's air. They warned the russian plane over 10 times to leave, so...
There is however a difference between shooting when inside the borders or shooting because they are near the border.
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Based on national law Turkey has all the right shoot against warplanes fighting in Turkey's air. They warned the russian plane over 10 times to leave, so...
There is also a huge difference between a military airplane flying through a controlled airspace (which is this case), and a military aircraft engaging other aircraft in a controlled airspace (which didn't happen).
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I dont think Turkey went crazy shooting randoomly a warplane of RUSSIA...
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Turkey does not enjoy that some Syrian rebvels are bombed who are fighting Assad.
As for downing the fighter, if it ignored warning even if the warnings were incorrect, it is a pilot error.
However killing the pilot when on a parachute is below ay form of humanity.
Ofc...Turkey doesn't enjoy that Putin is kiling ISIS. Because Turkey are proud sponsror to ISIS. There has been alot of picture that ISIS been seen with turkish militray or ISIS in turkish hospital and all that.
Btw...Turkey is second largest army in NATO and Putin dislike NATO.
Long live Putin!!!!
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However killing the pilot when on a parachute is below ay form of humanity.
How was he killed when using the parachute? Didn't hear about that...
Btw...Turkey is second largest army in NATO and Putin dislike NATO.
Why do you keep stressing that Turkey is the 2nd largest military in NATO? Alot of soldiers don't mean shit when it comes to fighting abroad, you have to have the logistics to move them, and I don't think Turkey does.
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>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.
I'd like to think that most british people don't support turkey in anything, but then I remember how dumb most people are.
putin pls keep bombing IS, thanks :)
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Based on national law Turkey has all the right shoot against warplanes fighting in Turkey's air. They warned the russian plane over 10 times to leave, so...
You mean international law. And what my dear colleague already pointed out
There is also a huge difference between a military airplane flying through a controlled airspace (which is this case), and a military aircraft engaging other aircraft in a controlled airspace (which didn't happen).
When you add that Russia and NATO made a agreement when it comes to exactly these kind of situations just few days ago, that Turkey violated, its clear no legal grounds favors Turkey.
After the NATO meeting, it was announced by their officials that the pilot was warned two times not twenty times like Turkey announced. It was also confirmed that the plane was hit outside Turkish territories. Most of NATO representatives were furious on Turkey, they've completely fucked up here, for their own selfish reasons.
I dont think Turkey went crazy shooting randoomly a warplane of RUSSIA...
Except the fact that the biggest targets of Russian airforces last 5 days were only ISIS oil fields and oil convoy's toward Turkey. They let the French airforce focus on Raqqa and other ISIS cities in this period, mostly because of Paris.
Watch Kurds getting arms and a bank account now.
Russia deployed S-400 system near the Turkish-Syrian border. Lol you wont see any turkish plane in sight with that monster on the ground anymore.
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I'd like to think that most british people don't support turkey in anything, but then I remember how dumb most people are.
putin pls keep bombing IS, thanks :)
I thought I supported Turkey's shooting down of the Russian jet, I mean it did clearly enter Turkish airspace, but it wasn't for very long at all and TBH both Russian and Turkey's radar maps are different, Russia's shows Turkeys border further back but Turkeys shows it where the jet was, regardless, I think it was kind of stupid that 2 people lost their lives over a grudge... They were just doing their jobs at the end of the day.
Russia deployed S-400 system near the Turkish-Syrian border. Lol you wont see any turkish plane in sight with that monster on the ground anymore.
Unless Turkey decides to blow that up too... :rolleyes:
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Unless Turkey decides to blow that up too... :rolleyes:
That would be their biggest mistake ever.
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That would be their biggest mistake ever.
I think Russia would be extremely pissed off, but I don't think they'd retaliate.
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Unless Turkey decides to blow that up too... :rolleyes:
LOL
Mate S-400 is like having 30 snipers on a non climbing building on Argonath, vs 3 unarmed people 20m away in a open area where they can't take any cover, nor run away.
There isn't any type of plane or rockets that can pass S-400. Its the ultimate anti-air weapon.
(http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/S400-Missile-Air-Defense-System.jpg)
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LOL
Mate S-400 is like having 30 snipers on a non climbing building on Argonath, vs 3 unarmed people 20m away in a open area where they can't take any cover, nor run away.
There isn't any type of plane or rockets that can pass S-400. Its the ultimate anti-air weapon.
How many anti-air rockets does it actually have? Once you exhaust them you have a clear shot, and they don't only need to take it out from the air. I'm not 100% sure on where it is placed though so that might be questionable...
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Read up, I posted the picture.
As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second. That includes all types of aircrafts(supersonic, bombarding planes, stealth planes, etc) and all types of missles(cruise muscles, ballistic miscles). And the best part of it, it can destroy it in the same moment those aircrafts enters the range of 400km away from S-400 (Which is the biggest rang of any anti-aircraft system in the world).
(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/25/21/pg-4-russia-turkey-graphic.jpg)
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After the NATO meeting, it was announced by their officials that the pilot was warned two times not twenty times like Turkey announced. It was also confirmed that the plane was hit outside Turkish territories.
Ahhhh, Russian propaganda and its spreaders in their finest moments.
Again there's an interesting absence of sources, Cofliano.
Let's go over some facts. I've tried to look, but it appears there isn't any source mentioning two warnings. Russia still hangs on to the story that the plane was never warned, they even got the surviving pilot to say this in to the media.
''Russia insisted that its jet never crossed into Turkey’s airspace and that Turkey never warned the Russian bomber. However, the United States military confirmed that Turkish pilots warned the Russian pilot 10 times, but that Russia ignored the warnings.''
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/24/world/middleeast/russia-turkey-jet-shoot-down-maps.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/24/world/middleeast/russia-turkey-jet-shoot-down-maps.html)
Other than that, just like ''two times'', neither did anyone say anything about ''twenty times''. Turkey has never said this. What's even more entertaining is you saying NATO supposedly announced this. They of course did not.
I did however find that the result and stance of the NATO Allies was solidarity with Turkey in this. The complete opposite of what Cofi's saying.
''The tensions immediately took on Cold War overtones when Russia rejected Turkey’s claim and Ankara responded by asking for an emergency NATO meeting, eliciting more Russian anger and ridicule. After the meeting, the NATO secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, called for “calm and de-escalation†and said the allies “stand in solidarity with Turkey.â€''
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world/europe/turkey-syria-russia-military-plane.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world/europe/turkey-syria-russia-military-plane.html)
In conclusion, I think you should re-evaluate your sources.
My personal opinion is that Russia's trespassing of Turkish airspace was severely ill-advised. Last sunday, Turkey actually announced that these kind of measures would be taken against trespassers in their airspace. This hasn't been the first time Russia provoked Turkey by flying into Turkish territory during this whole ISIS ordeal. I refer to the following source where a similar case was reported less than a month ago where Russia actually admitted to flying over Turkish ground. Now that they got punched in the nose they'd never do that sort of thing, though.
The USSR propaganda machine has been working overhours. Cofiliano's posts are a great example of this, but on top of that, earlier today, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reports that Russian deputies have submitted a bill to hold to account anyone who denies the Armenian genocide. This is rather unsubtle dig to Turkey - who deny that the 1915 massacres constitute a genocide. It is believed this lasted until 1917 and led to 1.5 million Armenians killed - a figure Turkey disputes, putting the figure at 300,000 to 600,000.
Bringing this up now is of course no coincidence, and it is my opinion that bringing history like this into politics like these is below the belt. Russia has also urged ordinary citizens to avoid Turkey in general for no apparent reason. On top of that the Russian police did not intervene when protestors literally bombarded the Turkish embassy in Moscow with all sorts of shit. The Russian government paying protestors to protest in their political favor isn't an uncommon sight, but the completely clueless replies of the present Russian protestors here make an extremely nice example of this Russian practice.
It increasingly starts to look to me like this whole ''fighting ISIS'' banner Russia puts everything under is nothing more than a charade. For what exactly I haven't got a clue, but considering their attitude towards Turkey both militarily and politically it looks like there are more motives, otherwise it wouldn't feel the need to place that S400 system there, which strategically serves no purpose against ISIS and even less so against anything Turkish. It's all a symbolic act of aggresion towards Turkey from a government pretending peace is in the best of its interests.
Turkey does not enjoy that some Syrian rebvels are bombed who are fighting Assad.
As for downing the fighter, if it ignored warning even if the warnings were incorrect, it is a pilot error.
However killing the pilot when on a parachute is below ay form of humanity.
QFT
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>Russian propaganda
>Uses NY times as a source for his "Cold war" reply.
This is 2015. Get over your hate, and get some proper education, fast.
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Turkey is in the wrong here, this just is some bs against Russia again (same thing as with MH17 when everyone blamed Russia when it simply were some insurgents), the fact that the Americans are again on top of this (the warmongers who started the entire shit in the middle east) is no surprise either. I wouldn't "defend" Turkey's embassy either after what happend.
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Let's have a moment to appreciate courage of the Turkish Government. That was a pretty ballsy move. Countries like Sweden and Finland just whine about Russians invading their air space or waters. Russia's dick poking needed some ass whooping tbh.
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This time the dick poking may have been for the right reason. And considering how many Greek airplanes have flown in Turkish airspace without being harmed, raises the question. Were they simply 'angry" because of the violation?
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This time the dick poking may have been for the right reason. And considering how many Greek airplanes have flown in Turkish airspace without being harmed, raises the question. Were they simply 'angry" because of the violation?
Greek planes don't fly into Turkish airspace lol. Need I remind you that in 1996, when a Turkish fighter entered Greek airspace it was shot down by a Greek jet.
LOL
Mate S-400 is like having 30 snipers on a non climbing building on Argonath, vs 3 unarmed people 20m away in a open area where they can't take any cover, nor run away.
There isn't any type of plane or rockets that can pass S-400. Its the ultimate anti-air weapon.
(http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/S400-Missile-Air-Defense-System.jpg)
lel, that's just for show. Russia's bubble burst with that incident and it's time for all to realize that.
>muh unnoticed superpower
>muh sleeping beast
>america uses expensive shit hardware
>russia uses super effective cheap reliable hardware
>russia stronk
>russian jet gets shot down
>putins ego has just been btfo
>mad af, issuing strongly worded statements
>but in reality can't do shit that has any real effect
>"h-hey ruskie comrades... d-dont go to turkey ok, they poop country"
Aaaaand that's just it lol.
They can't even cut the gas to Turkey because STRONK RUSSIA'S economy depends on gas exports. They can't put economic sanctions on Turkey because they have a trade surplus with Turkey. If they cut the gas to Turkey, they'll be hurting themselves more than they are hurting. Nice economy, Russia :')
And if they cut the gas, Turkey will close the Bosphorus to Russian warships severely limiting their capabilities in Syria (They wouldn't even be able to bring in fuel at meaningful quantities)
So yeah, that sleeping giant strong Russia can't even do shit against Turkey, FKING TURKEY. :rofl:
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As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second.
It carry's 4 missiles, so it can't hit 300 targets because it runs out of ammo after 4...
Read up, I posted the picture.
As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second. That includes all types of aircrafts(supersonic, bombarding planes, stealth planes, etc) and all types of missles(cruise muscles, ballistic miscles)
And actually, it can't target stealth aircraft very well...
Once the powerful air and missile defense system is deployed, only the American F-22, F-35 and B-2 stealth aircraft can operate safely inside a zone protected by the weapon for any length of time.
http://atimes.com/2015/11/russias-lethal-s-400-air-defense-system-is-headed-to-syria/
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It carry's 4 missiles, so it can't hit 300 targets because it runs out of ammo after 4...
LOL some of those carry more then one missile bro
the S-400 can track 300 targets simultaneously and engage thirty-six of those at any one time.
http://atimes.com/2015/11/russias-lethal-s-400-air-defense-system-is-headed-to-syria/
I re-read it to 300 targets, it can track 300 targets and shot 36 of those. That's only one unit of this system.
And actually, it can't target stealth aircraft very well...
Lol please, Russians broke stealth technology 20 years ago.
Russian and American source:
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150705/1024235797.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/28/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can-t-hide-from-russian-radar.html
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>Russian propaganda
>Uses NY times as a source for his "Cold war" reply.
This is 2015. Get over your hate, and get some proper education, fast.
muh any western news source is faulty maymay
You did not provide any source, even a Russia Today one would've sufficed. Therefore we can only assume you're lying to us. :)
I don't really hate anything or hold any grudges towards anyone for anything, for you on the other hand it looks like you're still blaming NATO for Srebrenica or something...
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Putin asks Turkish Government to apologize, but they think that Putin is the one who has to apologize here, lol. I really wonder what's gonna happen next.
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Btw, I believe Turkish Government trusted NATO during this attack. You know, if a non-NATO declares war on a NATO member, it's a war against NATO and Russia is not a member of NATO.
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Topic cleaned from provocative posts, let's be respectful when/if posting.
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I do not exactly see how my post was provocative...? Jesus, it's damn satire. A really catchy one too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxISwEBU0U
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Let's hope nothing "bad" happens after this incident. I don't think Russia is the bad apple in all of this. Also i hope to god that America don't even comment on this.
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Also i hope to god that America don't even comment on this.
One word.
Warmongers
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I've heard France and Russia signed an agreement to co-operate in the fight against ISIS. I hope an agreement can be reached that will finally end the disputes between Russia and the west.
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That agreement was signed before the plane crashed, not just with France, yet with USA aka NATO.
Russia has been opening their hand to NATO, to form a unified coalition against ISIS and work together, since the start, but for some reasons USA is constantly blocking that. Probably because that would mean for them to eat all the shit they been throwing on Russia and Putin for years.
Too bad they don't realize they'll be left alone, because most of western countries wants to work together and destroy this worldwide threat.
China, India, Iran, are supporting such coalition as well, as well as Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, and the rest of Latin America. African countries who are the biggest victims of ISIS and their sisters organization, after Syria and Iraq, included.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUxRUVXWsAQmHnS.jpg)
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May Russia and their allies destroy ISIS and the creators of it :janek:
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May Russia and their allies destroy ISIS and the creators of it :janek:
and @Cofiliano
Once again, a very naive approach. Do you really think Russia fights ISIS out of good will? Because it cares about Europe and wants to protect you from the terrorists?
Are you guys really THAT naive?
The only reason why Russia is fighting ISIS, is to protect its interest. It is in Russia's interest that Assad remains in power and ISIS opposes Assad. If ISIS fought alongside Assad, Russia would not lay a finger on them.
The same is with America. To answer your question, Cofiliano, US refuses Russia's help because they're supporting Free Syrian Army, which aims to overthrow Assad, while Russia bombs Assad's opposition alongside ISIS. US wants to see Assad gone, Russia wants to see Assad in power. Both countries are pursuing their own interest and doesn't give a fuck about the people of Europe. Take off the pink glasses and get a grip on real life, people.
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The only reason why Russia is fighting ISIS, is to protect its interest. It is in Russia's interest that Assad remains in power and ISIS opposes Assad. If ISIS fought alongside Assad, Russia would not lay a finger on them.
The same is with America. To answer your question, Cofiliano, US refuses Russia's help because they're supporting Free Syrian Army, which aims to overthrow Assad, while Russia bombs Assad's opposition alongside ISIS. US wants to see Assad gone, Russia wants to see Assad in power. Both countries are pursuing their own interest and doesn't give a fuck about the people of Europe. Take off the pink glasses and get a grip on real life, people.
Well said, both Russia and the US only care about what's good for themselves, the only difference between the two is that Russia doesn't have a 'military union' which it can drag into stupid unnecessary wars.
Not saying ISIS is an unnecessary war, the whole should be getting involved to destroy them.
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and @Cofiliano
Once again, a very naive approach. Do you really think Russia fights ISIS out of good will? Because it cares about Europe and wants to protect you from the terrorists?
Are you guys really THAT naive?
The only reason why Russia is fighting ISIS, is to protect its interest. It is in Russia's interest that Assad remains in power and ISIS opposes Assad. If ISIS fought alongside Assad, Russia would not lay a finger on them.
Russia is destroying the biggest world wide threat since WWII. Of course like all other countries in the world they're doing it for their own interest, but this is the interest of the entire world. Why was USA being so gentle toward ISIS last 4 years? If they wanted them destroyed, they would have do it in few weeks. But they still have a purpose for them, so hence why they're still alive.
And what's the problem of Assad remaining in power? The whole world saw that those "proxy revolution" that took down people like Gaddafi, Egyptan king, Iraq, Afganistan, only made those countries completely destroyed, divided, in a civil non stopping war for years, with millions of deaths and refuges, and creation of radical proxy groups, such as ISIS.
Syria and Lybia even Iraq were a wonderful countries, before someone decided its time to create a constant chaos in them, and take over their resources.
The same is with America. To answer your question, Cofiliano, US refuses Russia's help because they're supporting Free Syrian Army, which aims to overthrow Assad, while Russia bombs Assad's opposition alongside ISIS. US wants to see Assad gone, Russia wants to see Assad in power. Both countries are pursuing their own interest and doesn't give a fuck about the people of Europe. Take off the pink glasses and get a grip on real life, people.
The difference is, Russia protects their interest by destroying ISIS, Americans are 'protecting' their interested by forming ISIS, "Free Syrian Army", etc, which are just paid mercenaries fighting for Saudi Arabia and USA interests. That's why USA wont make a collation, yet they wont even destroy ISIS on their own.
And this is something, that most people in the world realize by now. People realize that the cold war, and all those NATO/USA "democracy actions" in foreign countries was nothing but a charade for the horror, based on their own selfish reasons, that turned those countries into a death lands, for good.
That "80s" and "90s" way of thinking is dead, the "fairy tale" that most of European people lived in turned out to be a hoax, and majority is waking up from it. Because the rest of the world was aware of this, from their first hand experience, long time ago.
We're not the ones being naive here.
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>think turkey is ukraine or georgia
>pass their airspace
>get your warplane shot
>get buttblasted, start rt disinfo propaganda
>talk talk talk, cry about how cruel turks are
>erdogan respons: russia should apologize
>get even more mad
>as relatiation say "w-we won't buy turkish chicken, w-we'll buy from israel!"
KEK
Paper Tiger Slavo Kike Manlet = EXPOSED
>b-but putin goes hunting so he is STRONNK and he got shooped pictures riding bear
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>tfw Russia realizes Assad is the only ally they have so they're sucking it up to him to try and retain some foothold in the Middle Eastern theatre
>muh global superpower
>RUSSIA STRONK
And what's the problem of Assad remaining in power? The whole world saw that those "proxy revolution" that took down people like Gaddafi, Egyptan king, Iraq, Afganistan, only made those countries completely destroyed, divided, in a civil non stopping war for years, with millions of deaths and refuges, and creation of radical proxy groups, such as ISIS.
These people only understand the fist, but America just wants to sell more weapons while hiding it under the banner of "freedom for the Middle Eastern ppl"
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There will be a WW3 in Middle East....Actually what happen in Syria...there are many countries fighting there cuz of the Gas which discovered lately...I think you understand now
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This is the second and last warning, behave or I will lock this topic.
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Russians will not start WWIII. Hell, Russians wont even attack Turkey. Why? They stand no chance.
Turkey has the advantage of location.
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Russians will not start WWIII. Hell, Russians wont even attack Turkey. Why? They stand no chance.
Turkey has the advantage of location.
kek
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kek
This pretty much explains why Russia can't and won't attack Turkey.
Greek planes don't fly into Turkish airspace lol. Need I remind you that in 1996, when a Turkish fighter entered Greek airspace it was shot down by a Greek jet.
lel, that's just for show. Russia's bubble burst with that incident and it's time for all to realize that.
>muh unnoticed superpower
>muh sleeping beast
>america uses expensive shit hardware
>russia uses super effective cheap reliable hardware
>russia stronk
>russian jet gets shot down
>putins ego has just been btfo
>mad af, issuing strongly worded statements
>but in reality can't do shit that has any real effect
>"h-hey ruskie comrades... d-dont go to turkey ok, they poop country"
Aaaaand that's just it lol.
They can't even cut the gas to Turkey because STRONK RUSSIA'S economy depends on gas exports. They can't put economic sanctions on Turkey because they have a trade surplus with Turkey. If they cut the gas to Turkey, they'll be hurting themselves more than they are hurting. Nice economy, Russia :')
And if they cut the gas, Turkey will close the Bosphorus to Russian warships severely limiting their capabilities in Syria (They wouldn't even be able to bring in fuel at meaningful quantities)
So yeah, that sleeping giant strong Russia can't even do shit against Turkey, FKING TURKEY. :rofl:
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People talk how Putin cant do shit to Erdogan, are you guys for real?
You guys do realize there's far more better ways of engagement and retaliation then a military strike?
Turkey has the advantage of location.
Lol you do realize Turkey is surrendered by Russian navy and missiles systems?
Ever heard of the Black sea fleet?
Btw, as of today, Turkey wont fly over their border with their planes anymore. I wonder why. :rolleyes:
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Because he can't, he can take absolutely no actions against Turkey apart from spreading nonsense through the USSR propaganda machine which only really has effect on people who buy that stuff, like you apparently.
They can't even cut the gas to Turkey because STRONK RUSSIA'S economy depends on gas exports. They can't put economic sanctions on Turkey because they have a trade surplus with Turkey. If they cut the gas to Turkey, they'll be hurting themselves more than they are hurting. Nice economy, Russia :')
And if they cut the gas, Turkey will close the Bosphorus to Russian warships severely limiting their capabilities in Syria (They wouldn't even be able to bring in fuel at meaningful quantities)
So yeah, that sleeping giant strong Russia can't even do shit against Turkey, FKING TURKEY. :rofl:
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>there's far more better ways of engagement and retaliation then a military strike
>Lol you do realize Turkey is surrendered by Russian navy and missiles systems
kek
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I believe there would be an alliance between , France,Egypt and russia to attack ISIS in Libya and Syria...so soon
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France russia
:lol:
Better visit this webpage (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/), and start exploring.
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lol Denis
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Because he can't, he can take absolutely no actions against Turkey apart from spreading nonsense through the USSR propaganda machine which only really has effect on people who buy that stuff, like you apparently.
You keep believing that CNN propaganda then, and live in a imaginary world, lol.
They can't even cut the gas to Turkey because STRONK RUSSIA'S economy depends on gas exports.
Turkey gets 57% of its gas from Russia (and Turkey is Russia second biggest non-domestic market for gas). Turkey's alternative supply routes include Iran, which of course just signed a $5 bn trade deal with Russia and is unlikely to come to Turkey's aid.
So the fact they'll lose one out of dozen of markets, wont hurt Russia that much, yet it would completely collapse Turkey economy in one night. Not to mention that winter is coming, and its effecst on civil populations. And Turkey has no where else to get the gas lol.
Best case scenario, Russia can raise the price, and its either take it, or freeze to death.
And if they cut the gas, Turkey will close the Bosphorus to Russian warships severely limiting their capabilities in Syria (They wouldn't even be able to bring in fuel at meaningful quantities)
Lool, look under the Blacksea fleet, as well. Bosphorus passages would be taken care of, in a matter of 72h. Turkey simply doesn't have any kinda of army response on it, that can endanger not to mention block the Blacksea Navy.
You forgot to mentioned the 15milion Kurds living in Turkey, who would instantly get arms and a bank account, and do Russia's job for them.
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/543535ad6da811176cc2b350-852-651/screen%20shot%202014-10-08%20at%209.00.55%20am.png)
Again, we're discussing about possibilities of taking these measures in a total war, not, will some of these things happen, because they wont. Well, maybe the last thing will happen.
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Then remove all the provoking contents, not just some.
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Western governments could learn from Russia, their ways of drilling propaganda into the minds of Russians and their neighbours is just not something we're capable of. :lol:
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(http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/905862/resized_Creepy-Willy-Wonka.jpg)
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Western governments could learn from Russia, their ways of drilling propaganda into the minds of Russians and their neighbours is just not something we're capable of. :lol:
Lol mate, mass media and propaganda was invented by west governments. From Goebbels to CNN and BBC. RT started in 2005, as a response to it.
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Lol mate, mass media and propaganda was invented by west governments. From Goebbels to CNN and BBC. RT started in 2005, as a response to it.
Oh yeah? Is that more propaganda or is there a source to who actually invented propaganda? :rolleyes:
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This pretty much explains why Russia can't and won't attack Turkey.
kek
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Lol guys. Everything is Propaganda.
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Oh yeah? Is that more propaganda or is there a source to who actually invented propaganda? :rolleyes:
Its facts that you can simply check by http://lmgtfy.com/?q=propaganda+and+mass+media
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KRG plans export gas to Turkey in two years
Iraq’s Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) plans to export 10 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas to Turkey over the next two years, KRG Natural Resources Minister Ashti Hawrami has stated.
“Over the next two years, we plan to export around 10 bcm gas to Turkey, but this target may be extended to 2019,†Hawrami said on Nov. 20, as quoted by Reuters.
Speaking at the Atlantic Council Energy & Economic Summit in Istanbul, he also said he did not have any concerns about how this gas will be imported by Turkey, as the country has the required infrastructure, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.
Meanwhile, Genel Energy, a major oil producer in the KRG, plans to establish a joint company with the KRG government to develop gas fields, its chairman Tony Hayward said at the same conference.
Pointing out that General Energy has two natural gas fields in the KRG, Miran and Bina Bawi, which have gas reserves of around 300-400 bcm, Hayward said these fields would become fully operative by the end of 2016 and exports to Turkey were planned to start within the next two to three years. “We’ll start our gas projects before 2016 ends and we will have the opportunity to start the gas flow in two to three years. By increasing production to 10 bcm, we’ll realize the first phase of a deal with Turkey,†Hayward said, as quoted by Reuters.
The KRG has an estimated 5 trillion cubic meters of gas in its territory, the Genel Energy chair said, adding that the region could reach gas exports of up to 20 bcm to Turkey and to Europe through Turkey with the entrance of other companies to the KRG market before the end of the 2020s.
http://www.kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullStory/News/?Id=11894#Title=%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09KRG plans export gas to Turkey in two years%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09
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Lol mate, mass media and propaganda was invented by west governments. From Goebbels to CNN and BBC. RT started in 2005, as a response to it.
Really? If you are gonna play smart then atleast get your facts straight :rofl: :rofl:
Trotsky "cough", Derzinski "cough", RSFSR "cough".
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Russians will not start WWIII. Hell, Russians wont even attack Turkey. Why? They stand no chance.
Turkey has the advantage of location.
Dump question, what does this really mean? Russia wont attack Turkey, because the attacks would have to take place in Turkey?
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It's apparent people can't have a civilized discussion once again; topic locked.