I'd like to know what's the current reason of this whole inactivity?
Part of the current administration is cancerous and unfit to actually administrate.
Inb4 moderated.
On a side note it is sad to see the server in decline like this. It would be great if trucking could be back as soon as possible. I strongly believe that this is one of the scripts that could pull us out of this declination.
People will play when everything about the server, its rules, its administration team isn't hurting their will to play. Address the problems and we will be able to gain some of the playerbase back definitely.Exactly, then people like to play Argonath daily, if HQ listen our problems.
Part of the current administration is unfit to actually administrate.Yeah man so much, you got no idea.
Yeah man so much cancer you got no idea.
Part of the current administration is unfit to actually administrate.
Yeah man so much, you got no idea.
Part of the current administration is unfit to actually administrate.
The admin being hardman in this topic is one of them.Thank you, love you too. Go spawn a hydra now there are people on weed fields.
Thank you, love you too. Go spawn a hydra now there are people on weed fields.Unfortunately can't spawn them :(
Prime example of why people get frustrated with staff members. Stop it.You were good at keeping staff in their place. I really doubt some of them would still be staff at this time if you were still a manager.
For money farming mhm? Meh, tbh I personally been dropping inactivity from samp due to the shitty moaning from... wait for it.. administration.
Stop fucking around posting that kind of immature replies and be serious for a time and helpful.Well we just pointed out a problem in our opinion, the one posting such replies is who should be listening not rejecting so clearly doesn't belong in the team.
There is a reason if they removed the previous one, considered money farming script, so you probably won't see anything like that anymore.
Part of the current administration is unfit to actually administrate.Right, anyway this topic is open for "why people not playing Argonath" not for arguments.
They removed it because some moderator abused a bug which allowed for 2x more cash per journey
Since Devin left its sort of a #Letsdowhateverthefuckwewant pass for admin team from what I've seen.Because you totally know what happens inside the admin team. Because we can totally do whatever the fuck we want.
On the other hand, as many pointed out, the staff team is not being controlled as it was with the old management. They certainly don't serve and help the players by acting all tough and sarcastic with them.And how do you know that we are not being controlled as we were. Elaborate how we are not, because I don't see anything changing how staff replies and helps players.
I'll list Bruce as prime example of a broken staff member since he wants to be an example according to his posts.
On the other hand, as many pointed out, the staff team is not being controlled as it was with the old management. They certainly don't serve and help the players by acting all tough and sarcastic with them.i did not expect this type of comments comes from Administration team, i have seen Administration team totally failed to handle the server, since Rusty and Devin left the server.
I'll list Bruce as prime example of a broken staff member since he wants to be an example according to his posts.
Thank you, love you too. Go spawn a hydra now there are people on weed fields.
It's quite sad seeing the server dying day after another though the 10th anniversary is on the doors.
lol this just shows everyone is right, great representation of the admin staff.Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.
On another note. The amount of people viewing this topic is higher then the actual players in game. There's your problem. Shut the forum down and let people be in game.Maybe because there's like 3 pages now of people knowing and seeing there are issues. Yet every time a topic like this is made, it's locked and thrown under the carpet.
Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.You're a staff member. If you can't control your temper and remain professional you should say goodbye and do a favor for the community and the staff team itself.
Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.
You're a staff member. If you can't control your temper and remain professional you should say goodbye and do a favor for the community and the staff team itself.
Your sarcastic posts are an issue, you can see numerous people confirming it so... there's clearly an issue with the way how you deal and react to things.
Also, stop with this weird vision that players can fix up a server. It's your job as managers, developers and staff members to gather up issues and opinions of your players and fix them with your abilities.There are many here who need to work on their expression of their opinions, because usually here it leads to pointing fingers and calling people retards, and getting topics that started perfectly civil locked. That speaks volumes for the playerbase, not the admins.
Each player enforcing his own style and own vision of a "fix" to the issue won't lead anywhere.
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Name Matthew
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.
Name Matthew:app:
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.
I'm down.
Leon_Gvardia
Point of improvement: The Rules
-If it's not in the official rules (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.0), admins cannot ban for it. There are too many broad grey area rules based on comments made by Teddy in topics from 10 pages back, or things said by Gandalf in the "Ask Developers Topic." Write it down somewhere we can all see it.
-There was once a guide to new moderators giving them general guidelines on how to handle certain situations. There obviously needs to be another, and not just for new moderators, because as I've stated in another topic, one admin will often ban for something that another admin would kick for. The other day I saw two admins punished a guy at the exact same time - a ban first, then a kick right after. These days I am seeing people getting banned for things that people have never been banned before in my entire time of playing (such as metagaming) which makes playing here discouraging.
-If a new rule or interpretation of a rule has been created somewhere on the forums or otherwise, it needs to be clearly broadcasted for everyone to see. Players should not be expected to read every page of every topic in the SA:MP boards looking for "common sense."
-Admins need to stop working against us.
This is already in effect, Mikro posted a topic regarding the raiding of weedfields a few days ago clear for everyone to see.
It's the players fault though omg!!
On a side note it is sad to see the server in decline like this. It would be great if trucking could be back as soon as possible. I strongly believe that this is one of the scripts that could pull us out of this declination.
Admin team needs to fix up.Damn straight.
Since Devin left its sort of a #Letsdowhateverthefuckwewant pass for admin team from what I've seen.
I'll list Bruce as prime example of a broken staff member since he wants to be an example according to his posts.:app:
And how do you know that we are not being controlled as we were. Elaborate how we are notBecause you and your so called colleagues are more abusive than before.
On another note. The amount of people viewing this topic is higher then the actual players in game. There's your problem. Shut the forum down and let people be in game.No, this is where we're able to speak freely. If we even said anything from this section in-game you'd ban every each of us.
Sorry I should have gifted flowers at the moment I was being shit on. My apologies.You are like an admin version of Timon and Conk combined, please resign so we have one less tumor to take care of.
Alright I see a lot of people blaming eachother... Lets get constructive.Name: Ramo Hawk.
What do you actually think that has to improve. List your 3 most important thoughts. I'd appreciate it if you use the form below to avoid any derailing of the topic.
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Point 1:Remove Mikro.
I agree with the open development, that would be a great suggestion to forward to Mikro.
The only thing I can add to this is staff members remove their bias and be more objective.
- Remove /area and blipsNever gonna happen.
Name HevarThis! :D
Point of improvement:
Too much strict rules and stuff,,,,cant we just take it back like we had in RS4? Some old school feeling =)
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You guys need to understand not everything lasts forever. How many members of the ''HQ'' and developers have we lost so far? I've lost count. Do you think Mikro can handle it all alone already? It's one of the reasons why you find the server with six players online already.
If all the people who kept this alive and running quit, what more do you expect from the community?
You guys need to understand not everything lasts forever. How many members of the ''HQ'' and developers have we lost so far? I've lost count. Do you think Mikro can handle it all alone already? It's one of the reasons why you find the server with six players online already.
If all the people who kept this alive and running quit, what more do you expect from the community?
You guys need to understand not everything lasts forever. How many members of the ''HQ'' and developers have we lost so far? I've lost count. Do you think Mikro can handle it all alone already? It's one of the reasons why you find the server with six players online already.This isn't the first time something like this happened, and Argonath became a better server after it. This time it didn't, which means a change is needed.
If all the people who kept this alive and running quit, what more do you expect from the community?
It's a simple cause and effect situation.It's good to listen to the people, but there's some things that players don't see the wider view on. For example, players asked for tazers and RPGs...the first HQ's stance on this was a big no.
HQ listens to players and gives them what they ask for? They get more players and activity on the server.
HQ ignores and goes opposite of what the players want? Less players and less activity.
Let's remember that the people are the ones who make the server. Start acting like it, and the rest will fall suit.
Remove Mikro.I agree that Mikro shouldn't be part of HQ, but he's lead developer so I guess he was a fit pick. But he should remain part of the developing team, if not lead it. I too think he made a couple of quick decisions but they aren't things that can't be reverted back to how they were.
Rusty here forgot my other accounts password, thought I'd drop a message anyhow
There's no way to get new players, the only way is to get old one back, SAMP is dead, not server, SAMP itself is dead and nobody except [dM]xgUnz227 and 12y/o pakis plays it.samp is not that dead as many of you are thinking so. you can check the player count of the whole SAMP just google
The question is do we have those kind of people?
You know something really cute. I don't give anything as to cursing because today I lay down a hammer for everyone here.
Justin You have a fucking problem. Wahhh i said fuck. I don't care. I dont give a fuck about what your going to say in return to me and could careless if you refuse to unban me.Your problem here is the following. You became a Moderator and moved up and now an admin and throw everyone that plays around with you like shit. Its like members don't mean nothing to you. Might as well have every single admin on that server and play by yourselfs. Its just a server everyone says but its not. It could be a server or not but in reality its the things you do that thousands of members play>leave and get banned. Rules will be rules yes. ME saying fuck the admins get banned. Look at makayla you have a problem. FUCKING PRY THIS TO YOUR HEAD.
I got banned because of somebody decided from the police swat to shoot at us because we held guns up at FBI or some stink swat truck. Listen. I seen the shit you do in SAMP and everyone here can say this unless you going to call somebody to erase this. You ban like if there is no tomorrow. You dont care about the rules cause you just banned half the server. You and the rest of the admins ban the server. How long do you think SAMP will be there. Its obsolete. I play to have some of my friends with low end equipment to have some fun. But when i look on the list and see other servers going down you should be highly happy to see members. You don't chase them away. And don't tell me we should let them run the fuck around shit.Shut the fuck up and sit down and learn a thing or 2. I ran servers. I bring on about more than 10 members each by name I played with members. I know how to run a server but how the hell can you play samp when people shooting at u before u even say the word hi or hello and they get scot free with a warning but to somebody else 60 min Deathmatching.
Grand Theft Auto is ment for DM you made it into RP. Thats good thats great. But understand. You cant be treating everyone like shit because at the end of the day who ever comes at me for shit like this im not going to be treating you like a happy camper. I can care wholess is going to tell me im a child cause im a fucking older person telling you something so that in future when the server is left with 10 members understand all the shit from when it began to know of what it went through.
Any other admin that has a bone with me and this topic feel free as into talk with me on phone email or etc etc.
Reason why i was banned was from reentering a weed field we planted. Mother Fucker. People was snipping us without /su people was shooting at me before. PEOPLE WAS ATTACKING ME FROM DAY ONE HOW LONG AGO and then im a criminal for this bullshit of bitching to admins. What the fuck is an admin for if he or she is refusing to help. Your nothing without admin privileges. Trust me your nothing. I know you. I really know you. I know you were better than this. You were a good person. But you changed because your balls got attached to admin. Trust me in a couple of year games like these are outdated for good. Enjoy it as your last
I speak for everyone here on behalf of me when i say you need to reconsider players who dont hack, destroy or hurt the server cause them 200 slots is a waste.
-More than 20+ players are banned and HQ need to give a chance to come back again, yes i know HQ give 2 or 3 chances but atleast give 4 or 5 chances to improve us, as leon said "Admins need to stop working against us."- That's up to the player himself to not rulebreak. If you get banned let's say 3 times in 2 months, why does he deserve a fourth chance?
-I never seen any admins or moderator get banned or any warn, why, did he have 100% RolePlay skills?
Agreed.Yeah, I agree "in part" too. :app: :app:
I'm not going to argue with you, just give my point. First of all if you don't know why he was banned or didn't see me ban him I wouldn't be accusing me of "banning like there's no tomorrow".Then don't bring up an argument if you don't want to argue. I, as a few others too, completely agree on you banning for no reason and bullshit reasons. You and Peter as well.
Alright, you win! I have banned people in the past when I probably shouldn't have. Here's my sincere apology if you want it: I'm sorry.It takes guts for someone to admit that...props to you
What do you want to happen now? Me get removed like Bruce? May fix something, sure.
It takes guts for someone to admit that...props to youI know right? all we want is honesty.
You guys keep going from constructive suggestions to direct attacks towards staff members, that way you can not expect managers to take your words with seriousness.
it's not the staff. it's the people who fucked up and refuse to admit it. shit on the administration instead, because why not? it's an easy target, 3 long time hq members left
Respect to the staff.
What?
What should we do then, wait until there are 4 players daily, all day long?
The hell is wrong with you?
You are right but respect has to be earned, not by having a shiny rank on your name, to be respected you have to give respect to others. I do admit that sometimes us, as administrators, we lose that sense of respect towards the players, we need to remember that we are all equal here, we assist players, we don't make their situation worse.
I don't know what you mean with that, I just pointed out that there are better ways to give suggestions rather than just come up here and say that admins should be kicked because they are being shit.
You guys keep going from constructive suggestions to direct attacks towards staff members, that way you can not expect managers to take your words with seriousness.
I just pointed out that there are better ways to give suggestions rather than just come up here
AHAHAHHAHA
This is pathetic and stupid
Let us ALL please stay civilized
Well, as far as i know, everything was good until changes were made. You should know before posting your opinion, which i hope is countable.
when was the last time you came ingame? because i was part of that same staff untill a few months ago, and come online almost every day, yet i don't think i've seen you online since the beggining of rs5
Get any fact in the studio before providing any information like this. :rofl:
Get any fact in the studio before providing any information like this. :rofl:
Did we or did we not have activity in game panel or did it got removed? :neutral2:
Not quite sure if you suggest here anything instead showing your support and showing that you're on their side (admins and HQ). So stop wasting your post count.
No quite sure if you understand my words instead of showing your ignorance by calling out a "side" on this issue, there's no side, we need to stop putting the blame on to someone and collaborate as a whole to sort things out. Stop wasting your post count.
Suggestions:
- Admin reform: Demotions to those needed or removal if HQ sees them necessary.
- Be unbiased (admins): You didn't received rights to defend your friends, nor your group, your actions are the same to everyone, does not matter if you have to punish your own friend, he broke the rules, he gets the same treatment as someone else not mattering what it can be a criminal or a cop.
- Rewrite of rules: No more gray areas, let's take serious time to specify everything that is allowed and what is not.
- New scripts: Not much we can do to this but at least we can try to start releasing the rest of the things that were left in progress and that were promised some time ago. Most of the scripters are also admins, we need them to focus on script rather than being in game administrating, we already have enough members for that.
- Fix attitude: We all have been shit sometimes, players and admins, that way things are never gonna get solved. Dedication, respect, tolerance is what we need from both sides.
- Roleplay: Argonath always had many different styles of RP. Some people likes serious roleplay, others just wanna drive around or be with their friends having fun, that's something we can't forbid, is something we don't want to change, but if you really think that coming into the server with a gun and a sentence to start shooting is roleplay then you do might have to work on your skills.
- Script improvement: Listen to players and what they want, that's the reason things are being made afterall, to have them in the server actively playing the way they like to, some things might be considered others might not for x or y reason, but the least to say is that script shouldn't be having changes without the opinion of the community.
No quite sure if you understand my words instead of showing your ignorance by calling out a "side" on this issue, there's no side, we need to stop putting the blame on to someone and collaborate as a whole to sort things out. Stop wasting your post count.
Suggestions:
- Admin reform: Demotions to those needed or removal if HQ sees them necessary.
- Be unbiased (admins): You didn't received rights to defend your friends, nor your group, your actions are the same to everyone, does not matter if you have to punish your own friend, he broke the rules, he gets the same treatment as someone else not mattering what it can be a criminal or a cop.
- Rewrite of rules: No more gray areas, let's take serious time to specify everything that is allowed and what is not.
- New scripts: Not much we can do to this but at least we can try to start releasing the rest of the things that were left in progress and that were promised some time ago. Most of the scripters are also admins, we need them to focus on script rather than being in game administrating, we already have enough members for that.
- Fix attitude: We all have been shit sometimes, players and admins, that way things are never gonna get solved. Dedication, respect, tolerance is what we need from both sides.
- Roleplay: Argonath always had many different styles of RP. Some people likes serious roleplay, others just wanna drive around or be with their friends having fun, that's something we can't forbid, is something we don't want to change, but if you really think that coming into the server with a gun and a sentence to start shooting is roleplay then you do might have to work on your skills.
- Script improvement: Listen to players and what they want, that's the reason things are being made afterall, to have them in the server actively playing the way they like to, some things might be considered others might not for x or y reason, but the least to say is that script shouldn't be having changes without the opinion of the community.
No quite sure if you understand my words instead of showing your ignorance by calling out a "side" on this issue, there's no side, we need to stop putting the blame on to someone and collaborate as a whole to sort things out. Stop wasting your post count.
Suggestions:
- Admin reform: Demotions to those needed or removal if HQ sees them necessary.
- Be unbiased (admins): You didn't received rights to defend your friends, nor your group, your actions are the same to everyone, does not matter if you have to punish your own friend, he broke the rules, he gets the same treatment as someone else not mattering what it can be a criminal or a cop.
- Rewrite of rules: No more gray areas, let's take serious time to specify everything that is allowed and what is not.
- New scripts: Not much we can do to this but at least we can try to start releasing the rest of the things that were left in progress and that were promised some time ago. Most of the scripters are also admins, we need them to focus on script rather than being in game administrating, we already have enough members for that.
- Fix attitude: We all have been shit sometimes, players and admins, that way things are never gonna get solved. Dedication, respect, tolerance is what we need from both sides.
- Roleplay: Argonath always had many different styles of RP. Some people likes serious roleplay, others just wanna drive around or be with their friends having fun, that's something we can't forbid, is something we don't want to change, but if you really think that coming into the server with a gun and a sentence to start shooting is roleplay then you do might have to work on your skills.
- Script improvement: Listen to players and what they want, that's the reason things are being made afterall, to have them in the server actively playing the way they like to, some things might be considered others might not for x or y reason, but the least to say is that script shouldn't be having changes without the opinion of the community.
Part of the current administration is unfit to actually administrate.We are aware of this fact, and my perception is because they are cornered with the pressure that's now upon them. The behavior they're given can influence them to repeat the same for one, and the complex incidents they have to take care of in-game are adding up.
It's the players fault though omg!!I am the idiot who sometimes uses that argument, and most of the time it's because of the way some scripts are being used by them. In example the arguments about heavy-air and RPGs et al. Much like others have mentioned, it may be a better idea to remove the sour apples instead of ditching the entire harvest (translation: To remove the abusing players instead of the whole script ergo ruining it for others) but if it appears to me that things continue to remain in a negative aspect I do feel compelled to go over to the worst-case scenario.
On a side note it is sad to see the server in decline like this. It would be great if trucking could be back as soon as possible. I strongly believe that this is one of the scripts that could pull us out of this declination.
Name Matthew1: @Mikro should keep this up indeed.
Point of improvement:
- More open development like when Teddy was here. Make a topic, roadmap or something where we can see what's priority, what not and etc..
- Better management over staff. Staff members should be able to control their temper, avoid sarcasm with players and remain professional.
- Drop all hatred on one another based upon someone's group / faction.
I'm down.1: Know that we'd end up with a topic too long to read which is why some rules are merely branched off of the core rules stated in existing topics/dialogs. Even though the idea is sensible in a way, I believe it's far too much to do. Most of the floating rules are discussed before actually employing them because most are outdated/conflicting with newer rules.
Leon_Gvardia
Point of improvement: The Rules
-If it's not in the official rules (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=100219.0), admins cannot ban for it. There are too many broad grey area rules based on comments made by Teddy in topics from 10 pages back, or things said by Gandalf in the "Ask Developers Topic." Write it down somewhere we can all see it.
-There was once a guide to new moderators giving them general guidelines on how to handle certain situations. There obviously needs to be another, and not just for new moderators, because as I've stated in another topic, one admin will often ban for something that another admin would kick for. The other day I saw two admins punished a guy at the exact same time - a ban first, then a kick right after. These days I am seeing people getting banned for things that people have never been banned before in my entire time of playing (such as metagaming) which makes playing here discouraging.
-If a new rule or interpretation of a rule has been created somewhere on the forums or otherwise, it needs to be clearly broadcasted for everyone to see. Players should not be expected to read every page of every topic in the SA:MP boards looking for "common sense."
-Admins need to stop working against us.
Name HevarMost of them have been put in place because of repeated events that grinded onto players, driving them away. And still we face this issue but differently. One thing I can promise is to prevent them from becoming TOO restrictive (albeit promises cannot be 100% guaranteed.)
Point of improvement:
Too much strict rules and stuff,,,,cant we just take it back like we had in RS4? Some old school feeling =)
Name Enzo Dispensa1: Discussed before.
Point of improvement: Rules, Player Knowledge.
- Add a roadmap like before.
- Make anew Rules topic, with ALL the details, trying to cover grey areas etc.
- Let players help you, some of us are very willing to help you, yet you decline our help putting stress on the entire server not yourselves
- Re-Balance Notoriety
- I am with this on some people, some staff members judgement is questionable, and I think it is time HQ got some new division to watch over them / Expand HQ Slightly
- I think we make criminal side have actual risk. I think if the scripting team added some kind of drug/weapon smuggling script, or a robbery script wtih paid Rewards with strict rulesWould need Notoriety level, Be launched by admins+ ONLY, require to spend time in the area/place you are robbing, also giving an alarm to the SAPD when the robbery commence,without Autosuspection, the higher the notoriety of all members the better the heist, only to be launched once every so many hours with at least 4 SAPD members online at the time- Limit Metagaming+powergaming
- Remove /area and blips
I think this is the only thing we need addressing to be honest. Criminals eventually run out of things to do :P My Robbery Script is a bit of a copy from IV:MP while Smuggling from VC:MP(Argonath) So please don't hate as they both seem to work very well
Name Sarmed Luciano1: Correct. As said we're looking to get our staff on the right track again.
Point of improvement:
-As Hevar said too much strict rules if we do something wrong staff members need to teach us what we are doing wrong and what we need to do, but admins just /banned or /warn us, this is not a right way to teach.
-More than 20+ players are banned and HQ need to give a chance to come back again, yes i know HQ give 2 or 3 chances but atleast give 4 or 5 chances to improve us, as leon said "Admins need to stop working against us."
-I never seen any admins or moderator get banned or any warn, why, did he have 100% RolePlay skills?
I will list out what comes immediately into my mind.1: The decrease in notoriety is quite notorious for upsetting a lot of players. I'll talk with Mikro for a proper solution.
Notoriety. While the decrease in losses is great it doesn't make up for the fact that people will gradually lose notoriety for not trying to gain or maintain notoriety. It definitely makes us not log into the game just to have some fun or natural roleplay. People may try to log in as little as possible - When they are called for some important roleplay. Or when they have to maintain their notoriety. Gradual decrease has to go.
Considering some players higher than the others. (Read admins) In a recent unban request, a certain admin didn't roleplay as much as HQ (or perhaps the previous) expects the players to roleplay. The excuse? No time to type. The exact same excuse three players gave in their unban requests for very same situations. I am not saying such admins ought to be punished, but they are not setting an even remotely good example for the players. Similarly some admins won't stop shit talking on forums. Normal players doing the same get moderated or muted. These admins need to go.
Recent rule changes They aren't well though of and are killing the server.
Name: Ramo Hawk.- Remove Ramo.
Point of improvement:
- Remove Bruce.
- Remove Marcel.
- Remove Peter.
Remove Mikro.
No, this is where we're able to speak freely. If we even said anything from this section in-game you'd ban every each of us.Remember that the right of free speech gets revoked when you are being offensive in one way or another. Your post in general is something I'd punish for but I'm not a forum moderator.
Name Dusty1: Would need to look into what is seen as "strict" by many. Feel free to send examples to me.
Point of improvement:
- Less stricter rules and less stricter staff(Like Hevar said)
- Train the staff on how to handle situations better
- Fix the problems on both of the sides, law and criminal, so that everything is balanced.
- Discuss about new scripts which would encourage RP and/or add more fun.
- Less stricter on ban appeals.
HQ listens to players and gives them what they ask for? They get more players and activity on the server.Remember that we cannot always listen to the players and that we sometimes need to do the opposite. A lot of players ask for things to be removed while we still see reason in keeping it. Players ask for things to be added that are beneficial but we have to deny it because it goes against argonath's vision. Understand that as well.
HQ ignores and goes opposite of what the players want? Less players and less activity.
Let's remember that the people are the ones who make the server. Start acting like it, and the rest will fall suit.
for tenth anniversary, server leadership should give everyone one last benefit of the doubt and unban everyoneWhile bringing back people who have disrupted the server plentiful of times, hacked accounts, annoyed everyone by hacking or breaking rules, going against order by sowing seeds of discord, and so forth... sounds like a very good idea.
instant profit in player count so everyone plays with their friends and having the fun!!!11!1
All things have an end. Sadly, Argonath is no exception.At one point I'd expect the community to either step away from their roots and into new territory, but perhaps the chance exists that Argonath will become a memory. We'll see what happens.
I would not be surprised if Gandalf pulls the plug this coming Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary and the last.
But I'd also not be surprised if he continues his current path of his "hands off" approach and let the community slowly crawl until it's dead with no activity. That is what happened to the community he and Aragorn was a part of before Argonath was born. I will not mention them by name but some old timers will know that certain MTA:VC server I'm talking about. Their website and forum is still up. I don't know about their servers, but their forum is a ghost town. Barely any posts there from this year.
Expect the same outcome in 2-3 years from now if the plug is not pulled earlier.
NameBruce1: Do have to agree with that.
Point of improvement:
- Remove the option to spawn somewhere else on relog, it's a roleplay server not a stunt server. You should always spawn where you left. And when die you should spawn at nearest hospital.
- Remove the continues loose of notoriety every 10 minutes. It's basically something that killed the server...if it's not obvious enough.
- Remove /area. For the sake of roleplay this is not needed at all, if you want to find someone get people online and scout.
- The suspect system has to be fully replaced. This one makes us a cops and robbers server.
- Won't even go into the "remove blips" part because I know Gandalf doesn't approve it and without his approval it won't happen. Even tho it would generate more roleplays and more effort to do stuff.
- Add the possibility to jail at all the cells in the PD stations and not only one. It would look more RPish than placing 4 people inside a jail cell.
- Add the possibility to jail more then 90 seconds. Make it 3-4 or even 5 minutes.
- A new interior for the main police stations would be great. I do know Mikal started one but as he said before he lost motivation.
I'll add some more in the future, I had a list full of suggestions but I lost it when cleaned up my laptop so this is all I can remember at the moment.
I hope people are happy now that I got kicked. ;)
Stop forcing your admin RP mentality down our throats, I don't give a flopping fuck where you came from who from your friends taught you to RP, everyone has their own understanding on how RP works and you should swallow your shit and accept that.Argonath's whole premise on roleplay is that you need to be able to respond on different kinds of it, one may do it like really-serious roleplay servers or venues, and some do it on a really basic level. If you mean the idealistic views the staff propose, see them more as suggestions rather than commands. We try to keep the "roleplay within reasonable boundaries" statement true, for one, but perhaps it's something we'd need to look after.
You shouldn't kick any admin that is shit, there can't be situations that a 'shit' receives admin privileges and is an admin.It's much better to teach people to improve, however if it's not possible then we have no other option. Certain admins have been good in the past but have degraded over time, especially now since we are being cornered with negativity, this seeps into the person and can cause him to turn sour along with the others. Hell, this has happened to us already and it has disappointed me gravely.
No quite sure if you understand my words instead of showing your ignorance by calling out a "side" on this issue, there's no side, we need to stop putting the blame on to someone and collaborate as a whole to sort things out. Stop wasting your post count.1: We have plans on this already. Guess it's time to pin a date?
Suggestions:
- Admin reform: Demotions to those needed or removal if HQ sees them necessary.
- Be unbiased (admins): You didn't received rights to defend your friends, nor your group, your actions are the same to everyone, does not matter if you have to punish your own friend, he broke the rules, he gets the same treatment as someone else not mattering what it can be a criminal or a cop.
- Rewrite of rules: No more gray areas, let's take serious time to specify everything that is allowed and what is not.
- New scripts: Not much we can do to this but at least we can try to start releasing the rest of the things that were left in progress and that were promised some time ago. Most of the scripters are also admins, we need them to focus on script rather than being in game administrating, we already have enough members for that.
- Fix attitude: We all have been shit sometimes, players and admins, that way things are never gonna get solved. Dedication, respect, tolerance is what we need from both sides.
- Roleplay: Argonath always had many different styles of RP. Some people likes serious roleplay, others just wanna drive around or be with their friends having fun, that's something we can't forbid, is something we don't want to change, but if you really think that coming into the server with a gun and a sentence to start shooting is roleplay then you do might have to work on your skills.
- Script improvement: Listen to players and what they want, that's the reason things are being made afterall, to have them in the server actively playing the way they like to, some things might be considered others might not for x or y reason, but the least to say is that script shouldn't be having changes without the opinion of the community.
Forward this to HQ please.But I can read this topic :(
Forward this to HQ please.HQ needs a urgent reform more then any part of the Argonath. You can't start building a house from the roof, yet from the basement.
I am the idiotYes.
- Remove Ramo.Many tried, many failed.
Remember that the right of free speech gets revoked when you are being offensive in one way or another. Your post in general is something I'd punish for but I'm not a forum moderator.Guess that's why you're not a forum moderator. :)
HQ needs a urgent reform more then any part of the Argonath.
The words "killing the server" however bear no weight.
bear no weight.9/200 on a Saturday evening isn't what someone would call alive either. The rules were rushed and must be put on hold and discussed properly.
The amount of bullshit and hatred is unbelievable between the players and other factions in the community,
its everywhere, and it'll always remain, a few factors increased this recently, which is why we're seeing Argonath as it is now.
Any problems within the administration team, rules, or script get fixed at last with proper communication.
If you want a change, start by changing yourselves first. All topics containing constructive ideas (about scripts or rules) unfortunately get ruined by those ignorant moaners, this is why you don't get an instant change of it by the HQ.
The lack of motivation isn't coming from those biased rules. Its coming from the players themselves.
*This post isn't meant to be dramatic, and i'm on no one's side, just cut your disgusting attitude and you'll enjoy your game play much more.
Considering some players higher than the others. (Read admins) In a recent unban request, a certain admin didn't roleplay as much as HQ (or perhaps the previous) expects the players to roleplay. The excuse? No time to type. The exact same excuse three players gave in their unban requests for very same situations. I am not saying such admins ought to be punished, but they are not setting an even remotely good example for the players.
Is this normal for you? - http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=117461.0What got Timon denied is his attitude.
Starting with you.
Grow some balls and tell your opinion and quit trying to defend people who don't need OR want being defended by a 14 year old.
The lack of motivation isn't coming from those biased rules. Its coming from the players themselves.
I will always love the police and every authority.
The opinion I said was honest and true.
Are you the same person who kept speaking about Jesus Christ the other day?
[13:45:06] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Y'all brainwashed by media.
[13:47:55] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Greasy, Jesus said that most will go into hell and few into heaven. So yeah, I must love everyone.
[13:52:21] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I always smile,wave and say hello to them.
[13:53:31] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I want to hug every cop when I see him. And thank him for risking his life.
[13:54:37] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I don't care. When I see police brutality, it encourages me more.
[13:55:18] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) I love them after researching and hearing about them.
Are you the same person who kept speaking about Jesus Christ the other day?
Yeah.
[13:45:06] {0055FF}Dusty{FFFFFF}: (30) Y'all brainwashed by media.?
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- That's up to the player himself to not rulebreak. If you get banned let's say 3 times in 2 months, why does he deserve a fourth chance?I agree with you but those who are playing last 5 or more than 6 years for example (Coffiliano, Conk, TiMon, Acika) these players deserve 4 and 5th chance.
I agree with you but those who are playing last 5 or more than 6 years for example (Coffiliano, Conk, TiMon, Acika) these players deserve 4 and 5th chance.
Many tried, many failed.Thank god Everett didn't fail kicking you out of Corleone.
It all comes down to when certain people repeat the same mistakes over and over again. If they get banned, get another chance, does the same thing and get banned again and it goes on. Why should those people get another chance when they clearly cannot understand what they are doing wrong?I never seen before these guys are banned?
I never seen before these guys are banned?
All things have an end. Sadly, Argonath is no exception.
I would not be surprised if Gandalf pulls the plug this coming Thursday to mark the 10th anniversary and the last.
It's the inconsistent application of the rules that's made me not want to play on the server, and how loosely defined the term "quality RP" has become.I have listed a few reasons as to why I am currently inactive in a previous post, but specifically, this is the #1 reason I've recently dropped my activity for now. I fear that even though after all of these years with an impressively clean punishment record, one day I will be banned for something or some "rule" that was never punished for in my days, or simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time, then be expected to know better because I am a "veteran" and should know everything.
8. Roleplaying
All players should attempt to roleplay at all times and are expected to roleplay within the boundaries of these rules. This means player's cannot refuse to roleplay or behave in a manner that is clearly an attempt to ruin the situation that is currently on-going. Failing to respond to /me and /em actions will be taken as refusal to roleplay.
If you wish to get out of the roleplay situation you are in then you must do so within roleplay boundaries, you cannot quit the game or simply run off or even have a staff member teleport you. Those that do will simply be punished.
Excessive language within roleplay is fine unless someone in your group gets upset at what is being said then you should stop if told to do so by a Staff member. Have common courtesy to respect others and not everyone may be fine with what is going on so do take the time to ask if this type of roleplay is okay for them.
We ask that all players be somewhat realistic when they roleplay, we do not wish to have bad practices spread through out the server. OOC and IC are still not supported by Argonath but we do allow it long as it isn't forced onto those you are roleplaying with.
Haven't read all of the replies but I'll share my opinion anyways.
-First thing that has to happen is a meeting in the admin team, they have to privately discuss what's the problem/issue inside the admin-team and solve it.
-Go through all of the server rules, re-think about them and try to have the best out come where all players are happy about it. Less rules changes/creations.
-Less bans, increase admin jail time. Nowadays I don't see any players get warned/kicked/jailed, 90% of punishments are bans and that's wrong, ban should always be the last option.
-General Pardon - Remove all of the current server bans(Except maybe critical ones that have put the server in risk).
-Look for a new blood, basically an admin with great temper to lead the SA:MP. No need to look behind and try to find old managers, instead find new ones that would be excited and interested for a new position.
-More tolerance from admins.
@Gandalf @Aragorn @Sauron Help us.
Maybe one day I'll beat you in a duel Ramo. :cowboy:That would be highly improbable.
That would be highly improbable.
The toxicity will tear this community apart.Exactly. It's whatever an individual chooses to make it. There's no defined standard which everyone must follow. HQ needs to set up a standard, followed by everyone.
Argonath samp is going through an identity crisis, it's not cops & robbers, it's not DM/TDM, and it definitely not RP/RPG. Oh not freeroam/stunt either else you get banned for "you don't belong here".
just play the game lads
just play the game lads
just play the game lads
Ok just make me division leader and all will be fine.:rofl: :rofl:
Ok just make me division leader and all will be fine.
There've been worse ideas :lol:
I'm actually anti-authoritarian*
Ok just make me division leader and all will be fine.:D
I'm actually serious tho I can actually fix this.
You can make jokes all you want, Tevin would actually be a good solution in my opinion.
At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Tevin and Cofi are left to manage the server honestly. Weirder shit has happened.Not interested, nor am I fit for it. Plus all the haters.
Not interested, nor am I fit for it. Plus all the haters.Don't worry bout the haters Cofi, just hide behind the nuke proof door.
lol
Heh, it always used to be Sultans that you'd see driving around the map...That was when there were more than 8 people online, why drive 2 sultans when you can drive 8 NRG's?
Don't worry bout the haters Cofi, just hide behind the nuke proof door.Yes, because I'm the one who's famous for constantly hidding in properties, right.
That was when there were more than 8 people online, why drive 2 sultans when you can drive 8 NRG's?
Lets see what the future, and tomorrows birthday brings us.Maybe they unban us both :lol:
Not interested, nor am I fit for it. Plus all the haters.I remember when you were a moderator.
I'm actually serious tho I can actually fix this.You can tell me what you would do and perhaps we could see if it can be done. After all the community has given us some good ideas in this topic already. Now it's to find some time to implement them...
Maybe they unban us both :lol:Hope not.
I remember when you were a moderator.Ya, punishing cops for DMing in CBF era. :lol:
Ok just make me division leader and all will be fine.
Maybe they unban us both :lol:
Hope not.
Hope not.:lol:
mario soprano san fierro emperor for community leader plsu still alive?
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I surely deserve the div leader pos for starting this topic and letting community members give those ideas:3
You can tell me what you would do and perhaps we could see if it can be done. After all the community has given us some good ideas in this topic already. Now it's to find some time to implement them...
...and I am packed for the upcoming weeks so only time may tell. :neutral2:
We will continue to be harsh to those that show no respect.Doesn't matter if you're the best Dictator or not, respect is earned not given and you didn't do much to earn it.
Glad to see you finally break the silence after days of shying away from this topic.
So I don't deserve 2 days away from the server? I respect you, but please don't bring assumptions like that.I mean, you surely did have to let the water settle before jumping in. It's a good way to do it, Gnb didn't mean anything by it.
In my opinion there should be only one (someone neutral) leader (w/e u want to call him/her) to choose what's right to do and what's not. Having too many people wanting different stuff (most of them are shit) would bring nothing but headache and endless arguments.
I understand, I am named the bad guy in this a lot. As said, not all changes will suit everyone. I am here long enough to the understand impact of decisions and to know how players will react. As expect I turned into the worse HQ member ever according to half of the community.
mario soprano san fierro emperor for community leader plsexample of attitude of why we dont move forward
They always need a bad guy. Don't worry. It was me in the past, it's you today and it will be someone else tomorrow :)Except that when you were manager people complained in game.
Just keep doing what you think is right for the server you manage.
Although I don't know what is going on currently on the server as I haven't been playing on it since long ago, it's funny to notice that it's still the same people that are going after the administration years after years.
People always complain about the same stuff over and over:
- Complain about admins
- Complain about SAPD
- Complain about features: remove /area, etc.
- Complain about lack of roleplay on the server
- Complain about deathmatchers
It feels like the mentality in the server is never evolving. Pretty sadening.
I wish all admins good luck and to keep doing what they think is the best for the server. Don't let constant complains bring you down.
So I don't deserve 2 days away from the server? I respect you, but please don't bring assumptions like that.
Random BS from an unaware old person who wishes to defend what he doesnt now about
Scripts were always and I mean FUCKING ALWAYS biased towards cops up until Teddy joined the team, and even then he made cop biased scripts until he made a account that was meant to be his criminal account. That is when we started getting decent scripts that didn't fuck us over.
Yea we had a neutral leader and we pushed him away.
I wish all admins good luck and to keep doing what they think is the best for the server. Don't let constant complains bring you down.
I hope God guides you to the right path.
On topic:
I also would like Cofi Division Leader.
They always need a bad guy. Don't worry. It was me in the past, it's you today and it will be someone else tomorrow :)
Just keep doing what you think is right for the server you manage.
Although I don't know what is going on currently on the server as I haven't been playing on it since long ago, it's funny to notice that it's still the same people that are going after the administration years after years.
People always complain about the same stuff over and over:
- Complain about admins
- Complain about SAPD
- Complain about features: remove /area, etc.
- Complain about lack of roleplay on the server
- Complain about deathmatchers
It feels like the mentality in the server is never evolving. Pretty sadening.
I wish all admins good luck and to keep doing what they think is the best for the server. Don't let constant complains bring you down.
let moaners talk here because that's how it works. :smack:The ugly truth.
Someone who can't control his family/mafia IG shouldn't step up to take that task imho.
Honestly, at the moment I feel like we're heading to a point where the damage done is irreversible. It's the last thing i want, but the server hasn't been able to maintain a higher playercount for ages. There's odd days out, where some new features are added and everyone drops by to see how they work, at which point the server will reach like 80ish players; but once the novelty of these new features wears off the playercount drops right back down. If that isn't cause for a radical change then i don't know what is..
Honestly, at the moment I feel like we're heading to a point where the damage done is irreversible. It's the last thing i want, but the server hasn't been able to maintain a higher playercount for ages. There's odd days out, where some new features are added and everyone drops by to see how they work, at which point the server will reach like 80ish players; but once the novelty of these new features wears off the playercount drops right back down. If that isn't cause for a radical change then i don't know what is..
It's a case of getting new players in, and keeping them.
Now we're getting a few newbies through the front door, we want to try and keep them. Time for some of the groups (SAPD, Corleone, Luciano, Soprano, Gvardia + other clans) to start stepping up and supporting them. As a new player you're far more likely to stay in the server if you're interacting in a group of people.
Corleone - Inactive
SAPD - /su breathing
Corleone - Inactive
Luciano - Please don't
Soprano - Possibly
Gvardia - Inactive
Other Clan - Inactive
Corleone - Inactive:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
SAPD - /su breathing
Corleone - Inactive
Luciano - Please don't
Soprano - Possibly
Gvardia - Inactive
Other Clan - Inactive
Corleone - InactiveI understand that you have been banned for a while now and there might have been some kind of influence on your opinion. I believe you can't judge if X group is active or not by being banned. I'm not gonna give much relevance to your post knowing that your unban request might have been a little too tiring for you. Welcome back though :strong:
R.H.D - RS Hauls Deliveries - Active and active
Are you even remotely active ingame? Calling corleone inactive while they have a steady activity going on.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you even remotely active ingame? Calling corleone inactive while they have a steady activity going on.
Luciano - Please don'tScare boy :lol: :rofl:
It's important we have groups which recruit new players. Think back to your first days here... I myself was recruited by the "LV Mafia." Terrible group but it taught me a lot and I moved on. Bigger groups with a better reputation never gave me a chance as a new player.
I logged on and there as Robin Luciano recruiting me for Luciano.
Don't make us mention Gulucan!
Though I would add some ex-Gulucan players went on to better things here. Goes to show any experience can be a good one!
Same as Karliss_LV recruiting to the LV Mafia lol. It's a brilliant way of keeping players though :D
I went inactive straight away actually hehe, I first started playing when @Bass Got me from IV:MP :P Had some fun, went inactive now, Now Im back again :P
Good to have your here buddy ;)
Doubt its for long actually, I think its time to get back to real life :lol:
Everything in moderation :D