Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Astaroth on January 13, 2017, 10:56:04 pm
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Hello everyone,
As I recently was assigned as a Moderator, I noticed that false reporting has gone up!
Please consider this as a request to you:
STOP reporting players for reasons you obviously know are false to simply get them in trouble.
I am not discouraging anyone to use /report. But please, keep it for valid reasons.
A short example:
A group fight (war) between Sforza and [ HR ] breaks out.
In this event, Sforza is outnumbered and [ HR] wins the short shootout.
>Sforza members /report [id] Deathmatching, NO RP!!!!
Now that's the type of SH1T that needs to stop. You tried shooting it out, so you lost, and now suddenly are Deathmatchers? No. You're false reporting them. If you feel you are being deathmatched or a rule is being broken, it would be very much appreciated that you report during the situation, not after it. Or at least invest in a recording software, or simply take screenshots as evidence to support your claim!
Also another reminder: Deathmatching is considered a kill/attack with no RP reason.
Not when you are obviously going to lose and you just don't feel like it.
Which brings me to the next point, Forced Roleplaying.
I believe Gandalf said it himself, you are here to roleplay, if you don't want to, /q.
If a player aims a gun at you and wants to rob you, you are obligated to ROLEPLAY.
You will not always be winning in a roleplay situation, someone has to be a victim at times.
Please don't see being robbed in game as the world just ended, you can go ahead and rob him back in 10 minutes if you feel like it.(if you don't die, of course)
The Administration team sometimes gets a lot of reports, and we usually handle them 1 by 1. Please consider that with the time we spend on figuring out that you are simply said butthurt, we could have actually assisted somebody who required our immediate attention.
I feel like Argonath is getting better and this is something we can all agree on. Let's all work together to get past these type of situations.
I am able to write a very, very big list of examples and situations but I hope that this was enough for you to understand what I am trying to say.
Feel free to add and/or correct me.
I hope some of you can look at this the way I am.
Thank you,
Astaroth
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I say metagaming and powergaming get recognized in Argonath and everything gets fixed.
It's off topic but I'm adding that here.
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I say metagaming and powergaming get recognized in Argonath and everything gets fixed.
It's off topic but I'm adding that here.
No ,thank you, all ideas are welcome! please feel free to throw out more ideas. We are all looking to improve.
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how do you know if its a false report
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When some people dont want to die, they will always dig their way to achieve that objective, no matter what.
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just close sforza and hr and problem solved?!
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just close sforza and hr and problem sold?!
was it for sale?
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how do you know if its a false report
I personally can tell when it's bullshit.
And there never was Sforza and HR beef..I just used those names so people don't get butthurt.
I am both Sforza and HR..
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just close sforza and hr and problem solved?!
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forced rp? avoiding rp? ok let me get this straight , a kidnapper comes to me and wants to kidnap me I say no I don't want to rp , that's avoiding rp but then admin comes and says why are you not rping? that also means we are forced to rp? Wtf is this
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this is a roleplay server. If you are not here to roleplay than why are you here?
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forced rp? avoiding rp? ok let me get this straight , a kidnapper comes to me and wants to kidnap me I say no I don't want to rp , that's avoiding rp but then admin comes and says why are you not rping? that also means we are forced to rp? Wtf is this
You have to rp get kidnapped
or try to run and rp fear
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also @James do you know the meaning of forcing roleplay?
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Hello everyone,
As I recently was assigned as a Moderator, I noticed that false reporting has gone up!
Please consider this as a request to you:
STOP reporting players for reasons you obviously know are false to simply get them in trouble.
I am not discouraging anyone to use /report. But please, keep it for valid reasons.
Lol It hasnt gone up since you been a mod its been the case all the time. Whenever people die in Argonath they cry DM. You were even guilty of this before your moderator days. This is just another bullshit topic that would go no where and add nothing positive because you can't change the mindset of Argonath Players.
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You tried shooting it out, so you lost, and now suddenly are Deathmatchers? No. You're false reporting them. If you feel you are being deathmatched or a rule is being broken, it would be very much appreciated that you report during the situation, not after it. Or at least invest in a recording software, or simply take screenshots as evidence to support your claim!
Also another reminder: Deathmatching is considered a kill/attack with no RP reason.
Not when you are obviously going to lose and you just don't feel like it.
you are contradicting yourself in these two paragraphs. in the first you say 'it is no DM if the other party shoots back!!!' and in the second you say the opposite. other example, one i experience daily: i approach a hostile person for rp and he ends up DMing me but he loses the fight. hes pardoned? it's more than normal to defend yourself when you're being DMed, people don't want to lose their guns because someone feels like breaking the rules.
>all ideas are welcome! please feel free to throw out more ideas. We are all looking to improve.
>No ,thank you
lol
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Forcing RP is powergaming, but because of poor choice of words, we have issues that we have.
but then admin comes and says why are you not rping? that also means we are forced to rp? Wtf is this
No that is not forcing RP. Forcing RP is having RP go your own way, kinda. What the admin is doing should be endorsed and it's not something wrong. If you don't want to RP, quit the game.
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this is a roleplay server. If you are not here to roleplay than why are you here?
Exactly.
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forced rp? avoiding rp? ok let me get this straight , a kidnapper comes to me and wants to kidnap me I say no I don't want to rp , that's avoiding rp but then admin comes and says why are you not rping? that also means we are forced to rp? Wtf is this
yes you are forced to rp in a rp server
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"If a player aims a gun at you and wants to rob you, you are obligated to ROLEPLAY."
While i agree with your statement that people must roleplay when approached i gotta admit those robberies are fucking boring. People show zero creativity when it comes to interacting with others, it's either a rob or a kill cuz "u rammed my car sir". I'm not surprised if someone refuses to accept such "roleplays" after years/months of seeing them. And nothing changed at all, it's just that you haven't been on for months and when you came back you saw different faces and stuff that falsely gave you the idea that mindset changed. They're the same old (and new) proud argonauts having fun with their guns, i stopped caring about it because you can't change this place anymore.
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While i agree with your statement that people must roleplay when approached i gotta admit those robberies are fucking boring. People show zero creativity when it comes to interacting with others, it's either a rob or a kill cuz "u rammed my car sir". I'm not surprised if someone refuses to accept such "roleplays" after years/months of seeing them. And nothing changed at all, it's just that you haven't been on for months and when you came back you saw different faces and stuff that falsely gave you the idea that mindset changed. They're the same old (and new) proud argonauts having fun with their guns, i stopped caring about it because you can't change this place anymore.
It's because those people that are being robbed keep doing the exact same thing over and over again. And since you can't blatantly DM them, you have to find some sort of a way, which is "robbing". Very few people actually change their character after being beaten to death and agree to change their ways in a RP manner. And they have mostly been new players.
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False reporting is intentional trying to setup someone with a ban, who turns out didn't rulebreak, yet the reporter is furious because of the result of the roleplay.
I seriously hope people will get harshly punished for this even banned for it, as well as taking a piss in calling people and groups Dmers constantly on /p, which somehow became acceptable, which is nothing else then insulting and provoking.
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forced rp? avoiding rp? ok let me get this straight , a kidnapper comes to me and wants to kidnap me I say no I don't want to rp , that's avoiding rp but then admin comes and says why are you not rping? that also means we are forced to rp? Wtf is this
I will try to explain. ARGONATH DOES NOT RECOGNIZE 'POWERGAMING' AS A THING. INSTEAD WE CALL IT FORCING RP. YOU CANT '/ME TAKES COP AND PUTS HIM IN THE TRUNK.' IF COP WANTS TO ROLEPLAY HE IS RESISTING IT. YOU CAN NOT FORCE HIM INTO IT. OK????
Sorry for caps i just feel like im explaining it to the same person 50th time now.
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I will try to explain. ARGONATH DOES NOT RECOGNIZE 'POWERGAMING' AS A THING. INSTEAD WE CALL IT FORCING RP. YOU CANT '/ME TAKES COP AND PUTS HIM IN THE TRUNK.' IF COP WANTS TO ROLEPLAY HE IS RESISTING IT. YOU CAN NOT FORCE HIM INTO IT. OK????
Sorry for caps i just feel like im explaining it to the same person 50th time now.
ok ser rly sryyy I understand u veryyy wellll!
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Let me tell you what is causing every fucking problem here, literally every, all these threads are caused by one problem.
META FUCKING GAMING
(and admins without knowledge of rules)
Everyone can do a simple roleplay, even these guys that you never expect to roleplay with you. The problem here is metagaming actually, it's causing everything. Imagine this, someone opens a group, he is bored and hangs out with Corleone, VIS member sees him and immediately spreads the word to all VIS members, and what has happened now? Well the guy became daily target to VIS, that guy is alone and he wants to drive around but he constantly get's killed.
But why do they do that to him? Is there a reason?
Yeah, there was probably some shit that happened between these two groups that went down and they're in war now. Corleone massively logged in, killed VIS guy and logged off, they did that to 15 other members so VIS goes furious and whenever they log in they /id corl and hunt the target, now Corleone gets even more furious and continues to hunt VIS whenever they're outnumbered.
Is anything done by admins yet? haha no fag
Now VIS catches Corleone guy that thinks Argonath is cool and not cancerous place, VIS is amazed he roleplayed but they are fucking happy, you know why? Because they are gonna catch him and /piss on him then post on forums, so they do that, Corleone gets mad and flames VIS on forums, so you get IC hate to spread to OOC.
Is anything done by admins yet? nope
But it's normal, every human would get triggered by all that bullshit both groups are doing.
Deathmatching intensifies, forum shitposting is at top level, this also happens to every group, not just these two, turns into great war at both fronts, in game and on forum. And guess what have you created? Cancer
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tell 'em petarda, dats wassup fam :app:
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The unfortunate transformation of the SAMP part of the community is this. If what was said on this post doesnt change than we cant become something better.
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Let me tell you what is causing every fucking problem here, literally every, all these threads are caused by one problem.
META FUCKING GAMING
(and admins without knowledge of rules)
Everyone can do a simple roleplay, even these guys that you never expect to roleplay with you. The problem here is metagaming actually, it's causing everything. Imagine this, someone opens a group, he is bored and hangs out with Corleone, VIS member sees him and immediately spreads the word to all VIS members, and what has happened now? Well the guy became daily target to VIS, that guy is alone and he wants to drive around but he constantly get's killed.
But why do they do that to him? Is there a reason?
Yeah, there was probably some shit that happened between these two groups that went down and they're in war now. Corleone massively logged in, killed VIS guy and logged off, they did that to 15 other members so VIS goes furious and whenever they log in they /id corl and hunt the target, now Corleone gets even more furious and continues to hunt VIS whenever they're outnumbered.
Is anything done by admins yet? haha no fag
Now VIS catches Corleone guy that thinks Argonath is cool and not cancerous place, VIS is amazed he roleplayed but they are fucking happy, you know why? Because they are gonna catch him and /piss on him then post on forums, so they do that, Corleone gets mad and flames VIS on forums, so you get IC hate to spread to OOC.
Is anything done by admins yet? nope
But it's normal, every human would get triggered by all that bullshit both groups are doing.
Deathmatching intensifies, forum shitposting is at top level, this also happens to every group, not just these two, turns into great war at both fronts, in game and on forum. And guess what have you created? Cancer
You actually got a point here and as I said
I say metagaming and powergaming get recognized in Argonath and everything gets fixed.
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Thank you, Petarda.
I do agree on your post. The reason why I created this topic is not to put the blame on somebody so we can all point fingers at them, but with simple hope that someone will read it and actually try changing for the better. It all depends on us as players how it all works in the future.
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This aint the right topic, but since you all talk about it;
Argonath is a server where metagaming and powergaming are not disallowed, yet people get banned for asking backup over /gm.
There's shitloads of examples such as this one, and shitloads of examples where that logic does not apply.
You guys seriously need to cut this shit off already, and make a decision about it, regardless on how you gonna call those terms.
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:app:
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How about punishing those who false report? (On purpose many times, aka tolerance)