Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: Mihail Junkovich on July 22, 2017, 08:59:39 pm
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Not Command and Conquer but Cops and Criminals
I will list some suggestions I have for the whole thing.. and you guys can dwell upon it or disregard it, I don't care. I need to get it out of my system haha
The suggestions will be made mostly by focusing on one thing solely - The split of Cop/Criminals to Fun/Roleplay
Of course, Roleplay will be rewarded, so if you do not like it... Reefer boats are at South Algonquin and Sprunk Factory is still on fire
Police
Fun Element
Let's not fool around, everyone likes a good chase once in a while, yeah... just not as often as we have it now. The "Fun" element of police will be mostly focused on that and would remove all the elements that are not needed [You'll be amazed!]
List goes as follows:
- - Freecop rank gets replaced by rank called ARPD Officer [All hail Argonath Vision]
- - /duty available for all registered players
- - Can not use /suspect
- - Weapons used: Only a Pistol
- - Can use whatever vehicles they want
- - Can roleplay crime and request backup from more expereinced members
- - Have access to /heal and /fillup as usual
- - Kill participation reward 150$/200$
- - Penalty for killing officer -300$ (!)
- - Can /cuff, /jail = 500$/1000$
- - Light blue color
If anyone mentions Argonath Vision before reading the whole post, I'll pepper spray you! Newcomers [Newly registered players] already have to wait in order to get access to this stuff. This will be just an alternative that will go along with all the police officers that join duty just for the fun element. Because yes, it was always like that.. chase was better than the catch.
Now to boast a bit about reality while I subtly disregard client bugs [The shooting synchronization]. Common police all around the world usually carry only Pistols, Handcuffs and probably now Tasers? heh. Anyways, you do not need it for a police chase, nope. You anyways need training for it because most of the cops do not even understand what kind of lovely synchronization our IV:MP Client has.
So, yeah... you can chase.. you can catch, maybe eventually kill or jail. You can roleplay all you want, nothing stops you there because I am pretty sure you do not need orange color in order to roleplay? Right? Right.
Now let's move forward to our next rank...
Roleplay Element
Now, this would go for all the guys that like doing police job for the sake of it. The ones that enjoy it. These officers will require the current /allowduty training that is done with LCPD ranks, Officer or higher [If I am not wrong]. In order to get the training, the player must show proper attitude while he is on police duty and has to keep up with that status. If you screw up badly, you need to pass the training again in order to get the rank, because you will be demoted to ARPD Officer again.
This type of rank should not be fully restricted [At least I imagine it that way]. The rank would just award the players that show proper behavior most of the time but are not forced to do so. For example, players with this rank would be able to use a different type of vehicles in case that the situation really demands it. But that would be regulated by some general procedures provided by Law Enforcement organizations.
Now the list of suggestion is:
- - The rank could be called LCPD Freecop as these officers would be generally free from LCPD Procedures
- - Player must have Passport and Driving License
- - Can use /suspect
- - Weapons used Pistol, Combat Shotgun and Bat(!) < For all above this rank, LCPD Senior Officer+ maybe even SMG?
- - /allowduty training needed in order to get the "promotion"
- - Use of police cruisers most of the time, can switch if situation requres it
- - Have access to /heal and /fillup as usual
- - Kill participation reward 200$/300$
- - Can /cuff, /jail = 1500$/2000$ for all ranks above LCPD Freecop+
- - No penalty for killing fellow officers [TRU guys will probably love me for this one]
- - Increased prize for kill participation for all ranks above LCPD Freecop? Not much, just like maybe from 150$ to 200$ or 250$?
- - Get access to LCPD Buffalo/LCPD Helicopter!
- - Get dark-blue color
- - Rank is required in order to get accepted into LCPD/FBI
This would require a bit of filling up of blanks, but I would be more than happy to help to leaders of Law Enforcement organizations to work out the details together with Armelin. The "when can I use state/owned vehicle", "which are the terms for keeping the rank", "should this rank be mandatory for LCPD/FBI application" should be brainstormed a bit... but generally, I think this would be a good start to rely upon, the list above I mean.
These officers would represent the more professional police that has some experience behind them. They would follow some basic procedures defined by law enforcement organizations and would eventually be able to pass into one of those or stay at the spot they want. All the "goodies" they get with the rank are there just to enforce the positive actions they do on their job. Being naughty [I.e. they turn up to be a criminal for a bit] should not remove the rank they have earned. The rank of an LCPD Freecop should solely be judged by the actions on police duty, not beside it... because, as it says "Free-cop" hehe
And yeah, Heli goes to ranked police only.. no more chaos I guess? Yaaah... yaaaah!!
General
The common rules should still apply. No driving like mad when on duty with the newly suggested rank of ARPD Officer. Going ham on duty and carkilling because of lower penalty or smth.. well, good luck with the red guys that come after you. Anyways, my best guess for this type of cops is that they will have to wait for the crime to happen like one Russian guy I know.. just parked in his car, pumped up to catch bad guys.. or welp... you can do the usual run pass by DPD with /duty on-off. Your call...
You can still get cop-banned. If you had the rank of LCPD Freecop, you lose it in the case of cop-ban.
Newcomers can try the police duty but can't do much harm. Eventually random shooting and harassing people, but nothing more. The scripts could be made in such way that they still need just passport to get /duty? Now when I think of it, I am pretty sure it should go that way... but still, will leave the initial suggestion above for you guys to consider.
Criminals
Ouh... ouh... this one is really hardThat's what she said he-he
There is no fun in chasing guys that are doing lawbreaking constantly [Can even turn out to be rulebreak], but from the other hand.. everyone likes the thrill of a good chase. But how to compensate for the two I am not sure. So I am hoping this system of encouragement can help with that.
Fun Element
This is for the guys that can't really bother with roleplay that much, like.. yeah, you will do it, but nothing special. Just random law-breaking things, but with a twist =]
In order to avoid constant "Evading TS" thing, I will suggest the following for the fun aspect:
- - General flow should be the same as the one for ARPD Officer, just the joy of crime actions as in shooting/chasing
- - You are able to get suspected only once(?) per hour then you are on a cooldown aka can't get suspected [wait... WHAT?!]
- - The only way to get suspected when on a cooldown is by killing someone [Can end up being rulebreak, will be monitored as usual]
- - This is not stopping you from getting into role-playing crime [No need for orange color]
- - Chasing cops [ARPD Officers] after getting wrecked is strictly prohibited! Administration would monitor this to avoid criminals rofl-stomping our under-armed police haha
- - You are considered a regular criminal [More on that later]
- - You keep on bribes for weed NPCs, max price 10$ per gram
- - You keep on all the same prices for NPCs
- - You keep the same prices at weapon shops
- - Getting jailed/killed = -200$/-500$ !
So.. the general idea is to stop the guys that are being suspected [Orange.. suspects] at bay. You can have your fun, but not that often. Now, you might be wondering.. wait.. what about your speeding paprika, you damn mothe..rfu... damn plant. You are constantly speeding around ya prick! What about that?! Well, I am not sure if you guys are familiar with our lovely courts or our administration roles [Which I am part of]. I am quite positive that LCPD would be able to easily pick off any constant lawbreaking with this and disregard it as they should in most cases...
How it goes? Something like this...
- You see a guy speeding
- You try to pull over, not working
- You go for /suspect, server displays notification "Suspect has been recently charged with committing a lawbreak."
- Screenshot
- Place screenshot in your data
- Post court case
- Fu** `em up with a tasty fine
The data could be public maybe [At least for the minor crimes, i.e. Speeding/Reckless driving.. common shit], I suggest maybe the use of LCPD Topic or opening up a new one somewhere inside of City Hall. Call it "Traffic Surveillance" or whatever the f. you want haha
Now again, what about that penalty increase for the death? Well, I saw it countless times, guy runs over random newcomers and just keeps evading while casually saying on the chat "Don't run on the street" while shrugging his responsibility for over-speeding from his shoulder :true-story: meme
Well, if you will do that, pay the price BUD
As for the regular one hour cooldown chase, I am pretty sure that is not a high price. 500$ for an hour.. pff, I can earn much more than that for 1 hour of free time on the server even as an admin.
Now, let's go back to our lovely Roleplay part that might feed some of the curiosity you got while reading the list with details of "Regular" criminals :lol:
Roleplay Element
Why... HELLO THERE DARK ORANGE
Following the LCPD Freecop example, here come the goodies for our lovely criminals. Goal - reward roleplay, help out in daily Argonath life haha
Generally, what this would be about it something along this lines [At least I think]. Criminals that show some effort to roleplay and create entertaining scenarios for the wider public are rewarded for it by upgrading their respect level. The thing about getting your respect level up still kinda bugs me... but I would generally suggest some sort of system that allows Police to suggest who should get promoted to respected level. Police or Management, I am not sure.
I would avoid any kind of "earning through mindless labor" type of promotion, but more of like.. "This criminal is recognized by the wider public for the shit he caused". I guess that rank of LCPD Freecop and above would be viable to vote/suggest for that? Maybe even some sort of weekly voting on forum by all the members as a suggestion and then only with approval of Management you get the respect buff?
But wait, what would respect buff be? Read.
- - General flow should be the same as the one for LCPD Freecop, rewarding the efforts shown
- - You can be suspected more than once, but if it's too often.. you might get a complaint and eventually lose respect you have earned? C:
- - The only way to get suspected when on a cooldown is by killing someone [Can end up being rulebreak, will be monitored as usual]
- - Player had shown effort to engage frequently in scenarios that are influencing positively onto wider public
- - Chasing cops [ARPD Officers] after getting wrecked is strictly prohibited! Administration would monitor this to avoid criminals rofl-stomping our under-armed police haha
- - You are a respected criminal.. boast about it lol
- - No bribes for NPCs
- - 5th bonus NPC that buys for 12$ per gram for 1500g, gets unlocked only after 4 default NPC`s are unlocked [3 weed, 1 weapon] and earned Respect level
- - The price for NPCs align with your NPC level - If all 5 (!) are unlocked, 4 weed-npc`s all buy for max 10$ per gram (?!)
- - The prices at weapon-shops get a discount of 20% (?)
- - Buying weed-seed`s for 800$ per 10 seeds
- - Getting jailed/killed = -100$/-200$
- - No /rhl freeze
- - Max limit of weed sold per day pushed to 1500g
- - Dark orange color
You can probably see that I've been monitoring the weed/criminal/cops topics and all kind of suggestions out there. Here I am, suggesting something for all of that.
This is how I hope it goes. So all the criminal guys do their shizzle and eventually get promoted to the respected level, the one they would most likely want to keep. The respected level, earned by displaying positive actions on the server is giving them some bonsuses, bonuses they can use to further on encourage players to work for it. For example, you got the respected level bump, now you are able to earn more cash.. cash you will either use by yourself to buy goodies or the one you will use to acquire more man power perhaps? Maybe you need more common criminals that will help you out gathering the sweet-sweet green tea? Maybe you will use it to organize some regular events for fun of all? Or maybe for organizing some roleplay events, perhaps an underground car club meeting and a race afterward? I don't know, it's up to you.
You will get fewer penalties for common crimes, but be aware.. if you overstep it and get careless, rip your respect level, you are back to common masses. Same as for the LCPD Freecop, heavier penalties = losing respect level.
Getting respect level should probably be done by considering the in-game actions [participation in roleplay events, creating them, constant display of commonly right attitude] as well as forum activity [creating topics connected to criminal activities? Updating your family/clan stories or activites? Setting up event dates for wider public?]. I think that weekly poll might work out to some extent because it would just represent the general public opinion. The vote itself would not mean much as it is just a suggestion, the management and probably LCPD/FBI Upper Command should be the one that decides if the criminal is really worth it or not. I am suggesting that police do it because it is closely related to the scenarios criminals will do.. but of course, criminals might do some roleplay out of law-enforcement sight, so yeah.. management is there. Management can contact i.e. administration and the wider public to see what effort did the criminals show to earn the respect level.
Maybe it would be good that people apply for these polls and then you can vote by multiple option check. This would just represent the public opinion, management could then ask in the same topic [Where the individual players apply for respet], ask for opinions if needed to determine if is a "yes" or "no"
About that one additional NPC. I would consider it sort of like a hidden RS for respected criminals. If they can't find it... no matter, they can still go on and sell 3x500g or 1x1000g + 1x500g at local drug dealers. But that one, just that one.. would sell at 12$.
Imagine that...
12$ per gram
No bribes
1500g
*takes calculator*
clean 18 000$!!
Okay, 1200$ because of 6000$ invest for seeds [75x80$] at max NPC level + Respect :P
Now, at the end.. there is that little thing, called... no RHL freeze. I think this type of thing could be implanted maybe [Highly questionable, dunno what to think of it.. just throwing a suggestion at you]. Like, if you are a respected criminal, dark orange, people start chasing you either for envy or because you are highly wanted, that will be one angry mob behind you. Now, taking into consideration that, that was some sort of roleplay scenario [Suspect probably was not even important/can easily be re-added], but if it was a regular chase. I guess it would be fun if maybe the RHL just gets higher.. but there is no freeze of it when cops are near? C:
Like just, either team-work and get him on time to get goodies out of him, or well, suffer the loss :lol:
PLOT TWIST!
James [Yes, you haha] gonna move it around whenever he pleases :lol: [Or maybe Armelin, not sure because of scripting]
We said it's like a hidden Sultan RS.. so yeah, it gets moved around :D
Keep it a secret or get lucky searching for him.. maybe hire some common criminals to find it for you? C:
General
The idea is generally to offer criminals that roleplay more goodies that they could then use to roleplay even more [Hopefully]. From one side, I am not sure about the prizes, but from the other.. I am kinda okay with it because the system would decide who gets the goodies based on the public opinion and opposing side/management decision. Like, not everyone would get that type of bonus to fool around.
Again, this type of system would not restrict all the fun, like.. minor side-tracking as maybe getting suspected for carkill and evading here and there would be okay. But if you would go full bananaZ with some DeathMatch "RolePlay" or constant law-break, that would certainly mean a no-no. And each time you lose your respect level it will be harder to get it back.
Additional Information
For the system as the one above to work, some additional changes would have to be made... mostly the one considering weed-spot amount.
I think that that amount should be bumped up in order to compensate for interactions between cops/criminals. Not too many are needed, probably just a couple more to avoid spam at first island [The populated one]. I guess that this would do: +1 spot Algonquin, +2 spot Alderney. And they should be quite apart to avoid spam and hit `em up a bit with fuel consumption :3
READ PLEASE
Please read carefully all the above-suggested details and mechanics. There is a lot of it to soak in.. do not rush it.
Please, for love of Sauron, consider all the pros and cons aka.. what sounds good and what could go terribly wrong. Could this type of system endanger the overall population on the server? Would the police die-out? Would criminals die-out? Would there be no more fun? Will cops be outnumbered? Would either side exploit the system? Who will be gutted next by paprika? Is Sauron really a thing? And much much more.. doubt it all!
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I can't speak to the criminal side, but the majority of your police related ideas seem quite good, however, isn't the entire point of dark-blue to show that the person is well experienced and part of an official law enforcement group; simply passing a training shouldn't be enough to get it, no?
I think that having newcomers able to chase existing suspects is quite cool, as then the abuse of them suspecting for invalid reasons wouldn't be possible, and experienced (lcpd freecop or ranked) would probably be online to help/aid them in chasing the suspect and giving guidance anyway.
On another important issue, who gets the bat? :D
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Well, current LCPD Cadets get the "dark-blue" the moment they get accepted onto Academy, but I guess their knowledge is same as yours :P
From the other hand, the experience you would get by SIMPLY passing the /allowduty could be bumped up a bit by LCPD/COL themselves? :D
Like, additional points/rules/procedures/knowledge to be added or similar?
As I suggested, the suggested system could be taken into consideration by LCPD/FBI so that they use it to determine if the candidate is good enough for them. Sort of like current cadets, so I guess there would be no need for pre-application period?
Didn't think of Bats xD
That could be maybe added haha
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Hell yeah!
Paprika
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Well supported .
But still will the new players get training for copduty because its somewhat necessary or we get like every suspect end up getting swarmed and killed. And maybe the lowest rank cops should not be given a gun straight or it will end up as DM or something (new players often try to DM first most of the times). So it can be like complete the tutorial and play somedays then automatically you can play as a cop. This will prevent most of mishaps that may happen .
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And maybe the lowest rank cops should not be given a gun straight or it will end up as DM or something (new players often try to DM first most of the times). So it can be like complete the tutorial and play somedays then automatically you can play as a cop. This will prevent most of mishaps that may happen .
Now when I think of it, I am pretty sure new players would opt to car-killing suspects in order to "get them", but in that case, current scripts kick in.. suspect doesn't get a penalty if he gets carkilled. But maybe it could be completely cut out to something we have currently, that is.. passport = access to police duty?
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lowest rank cops should not be given a gun straight or it will end up as DM
I doubt they would be able to do much with just a pistol, especially since they are new and probably don't understand much about the sync issues
But anyhow, maybe if they complete say.. the 3rd guide of the tutorial = /duty access?
It would mean they would (hopefully) have had interactions with other players in fireman/medic and would not want to DM immediately when they have access to being a cop.
Plus, they would still have a penalty for killing civilians, as I don't think paprika said that would change. (-500$ is quite a deterrence lel)
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Good work Mihail..Supported!
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Supported
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Plus, they would still have a penalty for killing civilians, as I don't think paprika said that would change. (-500$ is quite a deterrence lel)
Changed to -300$ I think because of lower jail prize, the 500$ for ARPD Officer rank [Current Freecop`s in-game]
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Mhh, what I think... Too complex, what we need to roleplay is "/chathelp". I think it'll be the same if we will have unwilling people to roleplay. Plus, add something for LCPD, if you are gonna take darkblue and buffalos away. Just a my opinion :P, it might be also cool.
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Please explain to me why a freecop would apply for the LCPD anyways when they can have it's features without having to follow procedures like the LCPD does?
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Mhh, what I think... Too complex, what we need to roleplay is "/chathelp". I think it'll be the same if we will have unwilling people to roleplay. Plus, add something for LCPD, if you are gonna take darkblue and buffalos away. Just a my opinion :P, it might be also cool.
But.. but.. we already have /chathelp that explains the commands [At least states how to input them properly], people that do not use it are probably already unwilling to do so? :p
Buffalos ain't the thing the LCPD is about, you guys are about organization, effectiveness and roleplay.. Buffalo has nothing to do with it q.q
Every rank above the suggested LCPD Freecop would be getting bonus increase for kill/jail, additional access to vehicles and new weapons [LCPD Freecop +Bat/Combat Shotgun, LCPD Cadet+ (? +Bat/Combat Shotgun/SMG). The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it
Please explain to me why a freecop would apply for the LCPD anyways when they can have it's features without having to follow procedures like the LCPD does?
Are the only features of LCPD having Combat Shotgun/Bat, access to Buffalo/Police Heli and that striking dark blue color? I think not :P
If yes, then the current status on the server is already 80% LCPD q.q
"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide
This would require a bit of filling up of blanks, but I would be more than happy to help to leaders of Law Enforcement organizations to work out the details together with Armelin. The "when can I use state/owned vehicle", "which are the terms for keeping the rank", "should this rank be mandatory for LCPD/FBI application" should be brainstormed a bit... but generally, I think this would be a good start to rely upon, the list above I mean.
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But.. but.. we already have /chathelp that explains the commands [At least states how to input them properly], people that do not use it are probably already unwilling to do so? :p
For /chathelp I meant /me, /em, /l, /s. Some players don't even know what's /em about.
I think we need more willingness from both sides, less dm, less "wtf bro dont run in the road", more knoweledge of the commands stated above. That sentence was meant to be "We got the enough to roleplay", it's ok if you want to edit something like weed prices, but the whole cop system (for my opinion) is wrong because being a Freecop is like being in LCPD but without following our procedures and having all our features vehicles unlocked.
Buffalos ain't the thing the LCPD is about, you guys are about organization, effectiveness and roleplay.. Buffalo has nothing to do with it q.q
I actually think like you, but people think on this way, "the features that a group has".
If a player decides to hard work, put effort on police duty and completes the academy, he should be awarded with some features since he becomes an "experienced cop".
I'm not talking about adding new permissions for LCPD, but come on, remove us darkblue and buffalos, you basically apply to have more procedures to follow? While a freecop can use the vehicle he wishes, plus he becomes a "darkblue"?
In this whole post your goal was "getting some rp on server", not turning it into a "cops 'n' robbers".
you guys are about organization, effectiveness and roleplay
Exactly ^, If we have more members, our academy would be better and even more RPish. But if you make it pointless, how would you push players to apply for LCPD. After some time they will feel experienced enough for FBI.
"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide
Why would we need another freecops rank when we have already a staff list. What's the point of having "Senior Officer" on LCPD Staff List? Freecop should only be a rank made for the light vision of this server. You aren't enforced to apply for LCPD in order to join duty, you haven't the same procedures and the same features. You can easily switch criminal and cop since you might get tired ot playing a character only.
For the newcomers matter... Why? They added the /allowduty which is a great addition for some newcomers. LCPD & COLs carefully train them on the difference between a lawbreak and a rulebreak, how to act in a situation, when to suspect and when not. We didn't meet any problem since then.
I am with you that the server needs some roleplay. But I don't support the method how you are supposed to bring it, I'm sorry.
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Get faggios for patrolling as lowest rank cops so even lesser chances for carkills.
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It's just a batch of ideas for you guys to discuss over. I don't care if it will get implanted or not, I had to get it out from my head [actually notes file]
/chathelp was always there, eventually, it can be made into a point of /tutorial, but I doubt it would increase its value. As I said, people that are interested in RolePlay will find a way to get the commands, it is not like they are totally crippled while saying "/l I don`t like this tea *says while shaking his head in disgust while tasting it* "
but the whole cop system (for my opinion) is wrong because being a Freecop is like being in LCPD but without following our procedures and having all our features vehicles unlocked.
Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P
I actually think like you, but people think on this way, "the features that a group has".
If a player decides to hard work, put effort on police duty and completes the academy, he should be awarded with some features since he becomes an "experienced cop".
I'm not talking about adding new permissions for LCPD, but come on, remove us darkblue and buffalos, you basically apply to have more procedures to follow? While a freecop can use the vehicle he wishes, plus he becomes a "darkblue"?
If we have more members, our academy would be better and even more RPish. But if you make it pointless, how would you push players to apply for LCPD. After some time they will feel experienced enough for FBI.
These two paragraphs do not go together :P
I understand that you guys are bored that LCPD had a decline in the number of members and that it might get hit hard by this, but that is not the reason not to reconsider suggestion. If someone [and there were a lot of those "someone`s".. even you know that by now], if someone is applying for LCPD in order to get the goodies, then that person can't possibly be the right choice for you. They will just be there for some time and then move on to new experiences or welp, goody-seeking? haha
I always looked upon LCPD as a sort of light-moderation job. You ain't just enforcing the law, you are trying to keep the chaos at bay. You are there to guide people, keep them away from trouble, roleplay and eventually even threaten them with suspecatation if they do not abide... or you just call the administration to force them onto it. And everyone should know by now that any kind of moderation job ain't for just about everyone, so not everyone should even get into it
The greatest prize I saw in LCPD was mostly just ranking up and having fun with lcpd guys while wrecking suspects. You usually can't have that on radio because everyone is going for "Lone Wolf" type of style.
f-dat.. you are pack of wolves, not some dog show.. :| *Our next candidate is our shiny Buffalo, it has 500Hp and custom livery. It goes good.*
Cmon, don't clinge for the damn Buffalo as your only resolve. I understand that Dark Blue might be too much, but this is a suggestion, doesn't mean it will go through :P
Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], Blue and Dark Blue?
Community, not rank seeking
And again, please, read this carefully Q.Q
"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide
This would require a bit of filling up of blanks, but I would be more than happy to help to leaders of Law Enforcement organizations to work out the details together with Armelin. The "when can I use state/owned vehicle", "which are the terms for keeping the rank", "should this rank be mandatory for LCPD/FBI application" should be brainstormed a bit... but generally, I think this would be a good start to rely upon, the list above I mean.
^ What that means is that both LCPD and FBI could technically erase Application period and replace it with this system because.. what is that.. that LCPD/FBI requires in order to get accepted?
- Activity on duty
- Police cruisers
- Respecting the law
- Knowledge/Experience on the field
What does this system offer... exactly the same o.o
The only difference is that "criminal" thing, I mean. I am not sure about, I even generally hate seeing criminals constantly switching from crime to cops and what not [Among the reasons why I personally don't go onto duty]. But generally, does it really matters much if a player is acting properly on duty and then goes onto crime side to cool-off a bit?
Now I will draw the line, because.. again and again.. these are just ideas strapped together with a duck tape. The sole idea that probably bothers you the most is those "state/personal" vehicles for newly suggested LCPD Freecop. I have added it just because of that quote stated above that says that you guys make the new /allowduty guide. Meaning that you will determine when would it be acceptable for that LCPD Freecop to use his owned or state vehicle. Nothing else
The second thing that probably bothers you, because I see FBI being mentioned.. is that FBI has access to whatever the vehicle they want hence = LCPD Freecop style.. go mad
That is why now I call @Senate
So, Senate, what shall we do about FBI members and their vehicles. Shall the procedures be changed a bit or the use of the vehicles themselves? Cmon guys... work it out together
For the end, just to say.. yes, I am afraid of possible Cop`N`Robbers effect.. that is why this in Suggestion board, open for discussion haha
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Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P
Yes, then let's remove LCPD? The "system" you just created makes it more pointless, because you are gonna apply for a group which gives you a lot of more rules and procedures, and then what? You have less rights of a normal freecop who joined duty through a 30 minutes training? lol.
Just think freecops can use their personal car (and it's ok with the current system) which gives them a lot of more advantage over ranked cops, and then what? You unlock them the buffalos (the only private vehicle of lcpd) and make them darkblue?
As I said, and I'll say again, a cop who went through trainings and examinations, should have some features unlocked (Vehicles or commands) as he's one of the experienced cops.
I ask you once again... What's the point of applying for LCPD?
Roleplay
You can do it fine as a freecop, you don't need to apply for a group in order to get it.
Public events
A normal freecop can quietly plan/organise their public event. Organised Patrol, A traffic checkpoint... etcetera.
So in a few words, there's no rule that disallows freecops from planning public events, you can do it independetly from LCPD.
Organization
As mentioned above, you can have all the organization you want even being a freecop.
Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], Blue and Dark Blue?
wut da... We have buffalos for FBI, CIU, LCPD, Freecops D: Invasion of buffalos ahah, but seriously who would use the old merit and vapid, it would be ugly to see all the server using personal cars / buffalos.
Long time ago they were for FBI and three for LCPD only, and it was more than fine, but now we are overloading the server with buffalos.
And again, please, read this carefully Q.Q
I suggest to do the same with my paragraph, I understood we set the terms, but I still see completely useless the addition of the new rank.
Why would we need another freecops rank when we have already a staff list. What's the point of having "Senior Officer" on LCPD Staff List? Freecop should only be a rank made for the light vision of this server. You aren't enforced to apply for LCPD in order to join duty, you haven't the same procedures and the same features. You can easily switch criminal and cop since you might get tired ot playing a character only.
For the newcomers matter... Why? They added the /allowduty which is a great addition for some newcomers. LCPD & COLs carefully train them on the difference between a lawbreak and a rulebreak, how to act in a situation, when to suspect and when not. We didn't meet any problem since then.
Sure pap, this is just an idea, but I'm warning you that LCPD would loose a lot. :)
We are a team who everyday is hardworking for roleplay, events, assignments... And right on this time, we are running low on members, so... We ask for a community support, but this... is not a support.
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Removed.
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Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P
Yes, then let's remove LCPD?
haha
/me remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised
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haha
/me remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised
Don't worry I remember that time too and I can ensure you that the players' mentality is that they want reward for their work. (work being trained, following procedures and reward being cars, guns, special things / fun)
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haha
/me remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised
I invite you to read again my message.
I actually think like you, but people think on this way, "the features that a group has".
We all want that mentality back, but for now we have the current mentality and if you don't play like that you fall down.
By the way I'm not complaining about the current system, but about the system you are thinking to bring.
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but for now we have the current mentality and if you don't play like that you fall down.
Good riddance for the people that have that mentality. I'd say quality above quantity.
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You are making me explain this the Hard-way
Again, I will repeat my statement with some details attached to it in order to clarify any possible misunderstanding caused from my side
"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide
That means, that the current /allowduty guide gets thrown through the window at 16th floor of LC24 Tower that is across the way of DPD [Towards Meadows park]
What that means again is that LCPD/FBI gets to decide what the previously mentioned LCPD Freecops can do, for example:
- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there is a Helicopter in the pursuit
- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there are NOOSE TRU units in the pursuit with officially supported Sentinel`s/Coquette
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle if suspect is driving one of these vehicles: Comet/Super GT/Infernus/Coquette/Banshee/Turismo/Patriot [I think these are the only ones]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle by permission from upper ranked members of LCPD/FBI [Special Agent+/LCPD Lt+]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle only if there is no TRU/FBI backup that would compensate for the lack of performance
- You are not allowed to be suspected and jailed/killed for a criminal offense. In case you did, after 3 times your rank will be removed
- You are bla-bla and if bla-ble, you need to do dab at the top of Algonquin bridge
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Again, repeating some messages which were either disregarded or maybe overlooked
Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], now just Blue LCPD Freecops and the regular Dark Blue?
If someone [and there were a lot of those "someone`s".. even you know that by now], if someone is applying for LCPD in order to get the goodies, then that person can't possibly be the right choice for you.
What you can always do is keep such player at bay. LCPD is officially supported ArgonathRPG Community for police, as such, it should always give an opportunity to anyone who wishes to experience more than just chase and shizzle. People that like the group will stay, the one that don't.. will move on
By my opinion, luring players into any group by focusing onto goodies in order to have it filled up is not something you should search for. I think that that would drop the worth of all the ranked officers you currently have loyal to your team. They are there because they wanted to not for the Buffalo thing haha
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Good riddance for the people that have that mentality. I'd say quality above quantity.
Please take a look at our application boards. We do have the quality over quantity mentality. Otherwise we would have accepted more than 7 cadets in the past 9 months.
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he is not dark blue but experienced better than any dark-blue cop in the Police Department (Yeah , Twenty will go mad m?)
You are most experienced player in the whole IV division as well, May God give us the chance to be like you.
I mean he is Good-Experienced cop , but he got no FreeCop promotions or any permissions , I think maybe LCPD FreeCop promotions will be good :> (Hehehehe) .
FBI and LCPD applications are open for public. We don't enforce someone to join us neither prevent experienced people from being part of us. If he was interested he would've applied.
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- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there is a Helicopter in the pursuit
- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there are NOOSE TRU units in the pursuit with officially supported Sentinel`s/Coquette
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle if suspect is driving one of these vehicles: Comet/Super GT/Infernus/Coquette/Banshee/Turismo/Patriot [I think these are the only ones]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle by permission from upper ranked members of LCPD/FBI [Special Agent+/LCPD Lt+]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle only if there is no TRU/FBI backup that would compensate for the lack of performance
I feel as though the suggestion that Wheel/rid made (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=121208.0) would be and much easier to understand and follow, rather than having to check if there is a heli in the chase, how many supercars are in the chase, how many NOoSE are in the chase, whether they have supercars.. etc.
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Dunno, I don't think that heli is hard to spot.. nor the supercars [Since they fly all around the place], but generally.. you would just have to pay attention to dark-blue ones. If they have their Sentinel/Coquette/Heli deployed, then you do not use your thingy :P
At least that is one of the suggestions
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1Quote. Like really ? @Mihail Junkovich said with the Meaning of : "These are all Ideas and opinions , they might not get applied ..." And laughing on others opinions are not a proper behavior of a "NOose" , and I don't just mean bob123 , like there is people who were FBI and were experienced cops but they decided to be "junk" LCPD Freecops , And there is also LCPD FreeCops better than other LCPD Cadets or Officers or what ever were the ranks...But they didn't find interest in being a "Ranked" cop.
The only thing they might apply for is that "solely" buffalo and some shooting trainings.
2Quote.Again I am not just talking about Bob123 , Read up again , and Read up the suggestions and Ideas again , and some people don't suit with SOME of these requirements that I found in No interest :
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=18815.0#post_Patrol_Report <--dis is da problem
Also they found no interest in that "solely" Buffalo :/
Please get your facts straight before throwing them into the outside world, big boy.
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Please get your facts straight before throwing them into the outside world, big boy.
Lol but true
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Now when I think of it, I am pretty sure new players would opt to car-killing suspects in order to "get them", but in that case, current scripts kick in.. suspect doesn't get a penalty if he gets carkilled. But maybe it could be completely cut out to something we have currently, that is.. passport = access to police duty?
One more thing came to my mind today.. maybe the newcomers could pass some small entry training with dark-blues. Sort of just most basic stuff. Behave in traffic this and that, speed limits, dont shoot people, dont ram.. that's all
And then they could have access to remove them from duty if they are neglecting the rules/training they passed with the police
Reminder, this is just for newcomers aka =/= no passport
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We alrdy have allow duty for that.
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The initial suggestion was duty for everyone, read joey read!
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Reminder, this is just for newcomers aka =/= no passport
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Good riddance for the people that have that mentality. I'd say quality above quantity.
Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P
The only thing they might apply for is that "solely" buffalo and some shooting trainings.
Please take a look at our application boards. We do have the quality over quantity mentality. Otherwise we would have accepted more than 7 cadets in the past 9 months.
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I know paprika, I understood we set rules etcetera etcetera... But, the thing is... We don't see it useful, that's it.
We already have a freecop rank who has to pass a trainings in order to avoid any rulebreak, and we already have a staff list on LCPD, so I don't see it useful having more ranks as freecops when freecops are also criminals (as you mentioned they cannot be suspected more than three times).
That's our opinion. :)
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Yes, then let's remove LCPD?
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Please take a look at our application boards. We do have the quality over quantity mentality. Otherwise we would have accepted more than 7 cadets in the past 9 months.
I never said you didn't hire quality members, I said it'd be good riddance and better for the quality if the people left that only wanted the rights, the buffalos and all that privileged shit. But if you use the argument that LCPD will be nothing without it's buffalos and whatnot, then you're just selling LCPD. You don't need to fill up ranks if you don't have the right people, you don't need 10 members if they are only in it for the priveleges.
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Sorry mihail
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Yes, then let's remove LCPD?
It's so funny to see how management script supports an official recognized organisation.
Since 2014/2015 we had a considerable loss of scripts and it's fun seeing in 2017 us fighting for a darkblue color which takes not even a line in scripting. lmao.
And yes, that quotes was meant "Remove us everything", you basically are keeping a rank system with nothing for them. At this point I don't see why would we need /promotelcpd.
As Twenty said we perform a full background check on every player who decides to apply for LCPD. And if it's not enough the player goes through an academy which contains several trainings and examinations. Actually we host many events like organised patrols, checkpoints, speed traps... And if you find "funny" my sarcastic quote, then I find quite funny being judged by someone who should approve warrants awaiting since February, to atleast "Roleplay" and show our quality.
And yes, I remember old times, players always wanted to get rewarded for their commitment, they used to give a lot from all the aspects.
And guess what? Also in real life you get rewards for being committed in police. I don't understand why we can't have such system, here, on IV:MP, like SA:MP (don't start saying we are two different server bla bla, because we both have two police systems with the same goal) has.
I hereby remind you that time has changed like people's mentalities and the thingy of "getting rewarded" increased of a substantial piece. But let's not go off topic, we were talking about this system. I'm ok with the current one.
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Now we're getting somewhere :D! The only reason why I was moaning about it, is because you make it sound like you need the extra's to make LCPD successfull, that you can only get new members that way. Which I'm highly against it.
And if you find "funny" my sarcastic quote, then I find quite funny being judged by someone who should approve warrants awaiting since February, to atleast "Roleplay" and show our quality.
Ouch, I'm not sure which warrants those are, but if you don't get a response you are free to send them every hour just to spam them. Also if there is a lack of response you can, with my permission right now, execute those warrants ;). I'm happy you spewed your troubles in the open. Scriptwise I cannot do alot for you since that's where Armelin needs to come in, but everything else, send me a PM or a Skype message and we'll get to it ;).
I hereby remind you that time has changed like people's mentalities and the thingy of "getting rewarded" increased of a substantial piece. But let's not go off topic, we were talking about this system. I'm ok with the current one.
It's fine to be rewarded, I only had problems with recruiting members just so they can get buffalo's and whatnot.
What I mostly like about Mihails suggestions is that they focus on the roleplay side of things, and not so much on the greedy side of things. Rewards are fine for me though, just not the materializing part of it. "I will join the LCPD because... I get more shit", it should be "I will join the LCPD because... it's a great group where I can roleplay with others and have a good time etc etc".
Hit me up with the non-script problems I can help with ;)
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It's fine to be rewarded, I only had problems with recruiting members just so they can get buffalo's and whatnot.
We are saying the same things. All the poem above was for committed members who showed themselves roleplaying properly and doing a great job. The point I wanted you to know is: We remove darkblue, we remove buffalos (I know it's a vehicle only, but might be a sign of "step forward" and an encouragement to do the same of above to rank up)... How do we reward our fellow members?
As I wrote on my second post on this topic:
I actually think like you, but people think on this way, "the features that a group has".
So unfortunately, god didn't give us the power to change people's mentality. But if we show them, a hardworker officer is rewarded for his innovative roleplay, for his spectacular skills (we encourage them on trainings), for a kind behavior then they will get tempt to apply.
I want you to note that we don't want people to apply to get a candy. We want people who apply and hardwork to get a candy.
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What I do not understand is if you are denying whole suggestion just because of Buffalos and Darkblue thing? Both of which can be disregarded.. or modified
For example, instead of dark-blue the so called "regular" blue that differs from the current Freecop light-blue one
And as far as I know, LCPD currently has some goodies that are already separating it from the regulars
- Upper ranks can cancel suspects as well as suspect police
- Access to NOOSE
- Leadership in most of the roleplay scenes
- Something more that I won't reveal :coughs:
Then NOOSE on its own has some goodies too.. like /equip ID, 7 or 8 new vehicles, 2 Helicopters, new skins, new weapons, new fun shizzle at the forum
And since you need to be in the LCPD to get to the NOOSE, why isn't that counted towards the whole pool of "For your hard work we can offer you this" ? :|
I even remember when we first begged and then had Buffalo added, just 1.
It wasn't even used because Merit was more agile than it and I personally completely disregarded it and kept using ugly duckling :P
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And since you need to be in the LCPD to get to the NOOSE
That's where you are wrong.
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As far as I remember, you have changed that recently from.. advised to a must?
Did ya change that back? What happened kek
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Good suggestions.. read over it rapidly as I'm being lazy to read all, to be honest.
I agree on it but instead: Make LCPD Freecops under LCPD's surveillance (can copban for breaking the law (rp), order in situations..etc). So LCPD Freecop is the lowest rank of LCPD, and is under surveillance of LCPD and cannot be a criminal. Those who like being freecops and like to advance and be good players, they can apply for LCPD.
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As far as I remember, you have changed that recently from.. advised to a must?
Did ya change that back? What happened kek
NOOSE applications have been like that for a long time, nothing was changed. NOOSE applications have been opened to public long time ago.
If you are in LCPD - you have a bigger chance to get in. (As the command already knows about that guy and trusts him)
If you are NOT in LCPD - you have a chance to get in, but not as big as in LCPD.
Just TRU applications are closed, invite only, as far I can say.
And CIU applications are opened to public.
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The point we are trying to make is, that with this new idea it will not be special anymore to be a member of the LCPD. Why would you apply for an agency that has (maybe) the same features as a lower ranked, not part of the agency member? Who in the world would apply for the same thing but with more restrictions?
I agree that some parts of this idea are good, however I do think that we are better off with the current situation: a situation that has always been there for the past 7 years and even with the past 11 years on Argonath as a whole.
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Some points to your suggestion Mihail, it is 50/50, yes our Law Enforcement needs to overhaul some small changes, and some of your ideas are already on the cards to be overseen. As with the two separate ranks, according to my view is that it will be too complex to even maintain on separate ranks. There should be equality for all players who are freecops, most of us have been a freecop sometimes they make mistakes and they learn from it. Some players just abuse the role, I understand this point your coming from into restricting it. It seems quite a small number who continue to rulebreak, possibly /copban would be the best alternative to the problem.
I like your other suggestions, I would probably prefer 'ARPD Officer' over 'freecop' as it describes it meaningful. For the Criminals, aslong it's a fair go I would agree on improving it.
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The point we are trying to make is, that with this new idea it will not be special anymore to be a member of the LCPD. Why would you apply for an agency that has (maybe) the same features as a lower ranked, not part of the agency member? Who in the world would apply for the same thing but with more restrictions?
I agree that some parts of this idea are good, however I do think that we are better off with the current situation: a situation that has always been there for the past 7 years and even with the past 11 years on Argonath as a whole.
Did Mihail ever mention giving /cs, chances for NOOSE and/or /sb
Get your facts q.q
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Did Mihail ever mention giving /cs, chances for NOOSE and/or /sb
Get your facts q.q
No, did I?
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No, did I?
oh u don't understand it lmao
Why would you apply for an agency that has the same features as a lower ranked, not part of the agency member?
Mihail never mention giving /cs, chances for NOOSE and/or /sb
There's the answer to your question.
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oh u don't understand it lmao
Mihail never mention giving /cs, chances for NOOSE and/or /sb
There's the answer to your question.
Neither Twenty mentioned it or referred to it. Get your facts.
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If you wish to argue get ig, join a cb and fire away.
Or skype or discord.
If you dont have constructive things to say dont even bother posting.
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Reserved.
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But if you make it pointless, how would you push players to apply for LCPD. After some time they will feel experienced enough for FBI.
Not necessarily. If they join LCPD, they have a team capacity to work in, they have opportunities to join NOOSE and we know how many people would want that tactical gear, or they'd want those special undercover utilities and to work undercover in drug busts, so I don't see why they wouldn't apply if they had a little dedication.
Oh and sorry for the bump
Regards
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Look, Mihail has a good idea and an understanding of LCPD as the former Deputy Chief, but that's beside the point.
Those who learn to truly roleplay would apply for LCPD. Also, as I previously stated
Many people would want that tactical gear, or they'd want those special undercover utilities and to work undercover in drug busts.
Truth be told, the ARPD Officer and LCPD Freecop rank seem good, especially since Freecops are only given to those who've been tested and proven to be sensible enough, as well as skilled enough to join an official law enforcement capacity, as well as being known for their behavior, professionalism and skills.
That seems appropriate
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Freecops can be professional. But making the cop system more complicated will be heavy on many. In liberty city I prefer to be a freecop because of issues. Also other people prefer to be freecops.
The thing i can suggest is changing the name of arpd freecop to LCPD recruit cause it seems better role play wise
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Freecops can be professional. But making the cop system more complicated will be heavy on many. In liberty city I prefer to be a freecop because of issues. Also other people prefer to be freecops.
The thing i can suggest is changing the name of arpd freecop to LCPD recruit cause it seems better role play wise
Not really very complicated adding this. LCPD Recruit, probably not. You got the idea from SAMP, although, I don't think it really has a purpose.