[IV:MP] C&C Suggestion

[Mihail Junkovich]

It's just a batch of ideas for you guys to discuss over. I don't care if it will get implanted or not, I had to get it out from my head [actually notes file]

/chathelp was always there, eventually, it can be made into a point of /tutorial, but I doubt it would increase its value. As I said, people that are interested in RolePlay will find a way to get the commands, it is not like they are totally crippled while saying "/l I don`t like this tea *says while shaking his head in disgust while tasting it* "

but the whole cop system (for my opinion) is wrong because being a Freecop is like being in LCPD but without following our procedures and having all our features vehicles unlocked.

Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P

I actually think like you, but  people think on this way, "the features that a group has".
If a player decides to hard work, put effort on police duty and completes the academy, he should be awarded with some features since he becomes an "experienced cop".
I'm not talking about adding new permissions for LCPD, but come on, remove us darkblue and buffalos, you basically apply to have more procedures to follow? While a freecop can use the vehicle he wishes, plus he becomes a "darkblue"?

If we have more members, our academy would be better and even more RPish. But if you make it pointless, how would you push players to apply for LCPD. After some time they will feel experienced enough for FBI.

These two paragraphs do not go together :P

I understand that you guys are bored that LCPD had a decline in the number of members and that it might get hit hard by this, but that is not the reason not to reconsider suggestion. If someone [and there were a lot of those "someone`s".. even you know that by now], if someone is applying for LCPD in order to get the goodies, then that person can't possibly be the right choice for you. They will just be there for some time and then move on to new experiences or welp, goody-seeking? haha

I always looked upon LCPD as a sort of light-moderation job. You ain't just enforcing the law, you are trying to keep the chaos at bay. You are there to guide people, keep them away from trouble, roleplay and eventually even threaten them with suspecatation if they do not abide... or you just call the administration to force them onto it. And everyone should know by now that any kind of moderation job ain't for just about everyone, so not everyone should even get into it

The greatest prize I saw in LCPD was mostly just ranking up and having fun with lcpd guys while wrecking suspects. You usually can't have that on radio because everyone is going for "Lone Wolf" type of style.
f-dat.. you are pack of wolves, not some dog show.. :| *Our next candidate is our shiny Buffalo, it has 500Hp and custom livery. It goes good.*
Cmon, don't clinge for the damn Buffalo as your only resolve. I understand that Dark Blue might be too much, but this is a suggestion, doesn't mean it will go through :P
Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], Blue and Dark Blue?

Community, not rank seeking

And again, please, read this carefully Q.Q

"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide

This would require a bit of filling up of blanks, but I would be more than happy to help to leaders of Law Enforcement organizations to work out the details together with Armelin. The "when can I use state/owned vehicle", "which are the terms for keeping the rank", "should this rank be mandatory for LCPD/FBI application" should be brainstormed a bit... but generally, I think this would be a good start to rely upon,  the list above I mean.

^ What that means is that both LCPD and FBI could technically erase Application period and replace it with this system because.. what is that.. that LCPD/FBI requires in order to get accepted?

- Activity on duty
- Police cruisers
- Respecting the law
- Knowledge/Experience on the field

What does this system offer... exactly the same o.o
The only difference is that "criminal" thing, I mean. I am not sure about, I even generally hate seeing criminals constantly switching from crime to cops and what not [Among the reasons why I personally don't go onto duty]. But generally, does it really matters much if a player is acting properly on duty and then goes onto crime side to cool-off a bit?


Now I will draw the line, because.. again and again.. these are just ideas strapped together with a duck tape. The sole idea that probably bothers you the most is those "state/personal" vehicles for newly suggested LCPD Freecop. I have added it just because of that quote stated above that says that you guys make the new /allowduty guide. Meaning that you will determine when would it be acceptable for that LCPD Freecop to use his owned or state vehicle. Nothing else

The second thing that probably bothers you, because I see FBI being mentioned.. is that FBI has access to whatever the vehicle they want hence = LCPD Freecop style.. go mad

That is why now I call @Senate

So, Senate, what shall we do about FBI members and their vehicles. Shall the procedures be changed a bit or the use of the vehicles themselves? Cmon guys... work it out together



For the end, just to say.. yes, I am afraid of possible Cop`N`Robbers effect.. that is why this in Suggestion board, open for discussion haha

[Steven S.]

Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P

Yes, then let's remove LCPD? The "system" you just created makes it more pointless, because you are gonna apply for a group which gives you a lot of more rules and procedures, and then what? You have less rights of a normal freecop who joined duty through a 30 minutes training? lol.
Just think freecops can use their personal car (and it's ok with the current system) which gives them a lot of more advantage over ranked cops, and then what? You unlock them the buffalos (the only private vehicle of lcpd) and make them darkblue?
As I said, and I'll say again, a cop who went through trainings and examinations, should have some features unlocked (Vehicles or commands) as he's one of the experienced cops.

I ask you once again... What's the point of applying for LCPD?

Roleplay
You can do it fine as a freecop, you don't need to apply for a group in order to get it.

Public events
A normal freecop can quietly plan/organise their public event. Organised Patrol, A traffic checkpoint... etcetera.
So in a few words, there's no rule that disallows freecops from planning  public events, you can do it independetly from LCPD.

Organization
As mentioned above, you can have all the organization you want even being a freecop.

Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], Blue and Dark Blue?

wut da... We have buffalos for FBI, CIU, LCPD, Freecops D:  Invasion of buffalos ahah, but seriously who would use the old merit and vapid, it would be ugly to see all the server using personal cars / buffalos.
Long time ago they were for FBI and three for LCPD only, and it was more than fine, but now we are overloading the server with buffalos.

And again, please, read this carefully Q.Q

I suggest to do the same with my paragraph, I understood we set the terms, but I still see completely useless the addition of the new rank.

Why would we need another freecops rank when we have already a staff list. What's the point of having "Senior Officer" on LCPD Staff List? Freecop should only be a rank made for the light vision of this server. You aren't enforced to apply for LCPD in order to join duty, you haven't the same procedures and the same features. You can easily switch criminal and cop since you might get tired ot playing a character only.
For the newcomers matter... Why? They added the /allowduty which is a great addition for some newcomers. LCPD & COLs carefully train them on the difference between a lawbreak and a rulebreak, how to act in a situation, when to suspect and when not. We didn't meet any problem since then.

Sure pap, this is just an idea, but I'm warning you that LCPD would loose a lot. 
We are a team who everyday is hardworking for roleplay, events, assignments... And right on this time, we are running low on members, so... We ask for a community support, but this... is not a support.

[Commander_Cj]

Removed.

[James Conway]

Are all of your featured vehicles represented solely by Buffalo? :P

Yes, then let's remove LCPD?

haha

* James Conway remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised

[Norrage]

haha

* James Conway remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised

Don't worry I remember that time too and I can ensure you that the players' mentality is that they want reward for their work. (work being trained, following procedures and reward being cars, guns, special things / fun)

[Steven S.]

haha

* James Conway remembers a time LCPD only had merits and vapids and where NOoSE was special and still people joined because it was good and fun and not materialised

I invite you to read again my message.

I actually think like you, but  people think on this way, "the features that a group has".

We all want that mentality back, but for now we have the current mentality and if you don't play like that you fall down.
By the way I'm not complaining about the current system, but about the system you are thinking to bring.

[James Conway]

but for now we have the current mentality and if you don't play like that you fall down.

Good riddance for the people that have that mentality. I'd say quality above quantity.

[Mihail Junkovich]

You are making me explain this the Hard-way

Again, I will repeat my statement with some details attached to it in order to clarify any possible misunderstanding caused from my side

"The dark blue is set up by you guys, you make the terms for it" aka, you make the /allowduty guide

That means, that the current /allowduty guide gets thrown through the window at 16th floor of LC24 Tower that is across the way of DPD [Towards Meadows park]

What that means again is that LCPD/FBI gets to decide what the previously mentioned LCPD Freecops can do, for example:

- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there is a Helicopter in the pursuit
- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there are NOOSE TRU units in the pursuit with officially supported Sentinel`s/Coquette
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle if suspect is driving one of these vehicles: Comet/Super GT/Infernus/Coquette/Banshee/Turismo/Patriot [I think these are the only ones]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle by permission from upper ranked members of LCPD/FBI [Special Agent+/LCPD Lt+]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle only if there is no TRU/FBI backup that would compensate for the lack of performance
- You are not allowed to be suspected and jailed/killed for a criminal offense. In case you did, after 3 times your rank will be removed
- You are bla-bla and if bla-ble, you need to do dab at the top of Algonquin bridge
..

Again, repeating some messages which were either disregarded or maybe overlooked

Maybe it could be made into another color, another variation of Blue? What if we had Light Blue [NUBZ hahaha], now just Blue LCPD Freecops and the regular Dark Blue?

If someone [and there were a lot of those "someone`s".. even you know that by now], if someone is applying for LCPD in order to get the goodies, then that person can't possibly be the right choice for you.

What you can always do is keep such player at bay. LCPD is officially supported ArgonathRPG Community for police, as such, it  should always give an opportunity to anyone who wishes to experience more than just chase and shizzle. People that like the group will stay, the one that don't.. will move on

By my opinion, luring players into any group by focusing onto goodies in order to have it filled up is not something you should search for. I think that that would drop the worth of all the ranked officers you currently have loyal to your team. They are there because they wanted to not for the Buffalo thing haha

[Norrage]

Good riddance for the people that have that mentality. I'd say quality above quantity.

Please take a look at our application boards. We do have the quality over quantity mentality. Otherwise we would have accepted more than 7 cadets in the past 9 months.

[Commander_Cj]

Removed.

[Hernandez]

he is not dark blue but experienced better than any dark-blue cop in the Police Department (Yeah , Twenty will go mad m?)

You are most experienced player in the whole IV division as well, May God give us the chance to be like you.

I mean he is Good-Experienced cop , but he got no FreeCop promotions or any permissions , I think maybe LCPD FreeCop promotions will be good :> (Hehehehe) .

FBI and LCPD applications are open for public. We don't enforce someone to join us neither prevent experienced people from being part of us. If he was interested he would've applied.

[B_ob]

- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there is a Helicopter in the pursuit
- You can not chase with your owned/personal vehicle if there are NOOSE TRU units in the pursuit with officially supported Sentinel`s/Coquette
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle if suspect is driving one of these vehicles: Comet/Super GT/Infernus/Coquette/Banshee/Turismo/Patriot [I think these are the only ones]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle by permission from upper ranked members of LCPD/FBI [Special Agent+/LCPD Lt+]
- You are allowed to use owned/personal vehicle only if there is no TRU/FBI backup that would compensate for the lack of performance

I feel as though the suggestion that Wheel/rid made would be and much easier to understand and follow, rather than having to check if there is a heli in the chase, how many supercars are in the chase, how many NOoSE are in the chase, whether they have supercars.. etc.

[Mihail Junkovich]

Dunno, I don't think that heli is hard to spot.. nor the supercars [Since they fly all around the place], but generally.. you would just have to pay attention to dark-blue ones. If they have their Sentinel/Coquette/Heli deployed, then you do not use your thingy :P

At least that is one of the suggestions

[Commander_Cj]

Removed.

[Norrage]

1Quote. Like really ? @Mihail Junkovich  said with the Meaning of : "These are all Ideas and opinions , they might not get applied ..." And laughing on others opinions are not a proper behavior of a "NOose" , and I don't just mean bob123 , like there is people who were FBI and were experienced cops but they decided to be "junk" LCPD Freecops , And there is also LCPD FreeCops better than other LCPD Cadets or Officers or what ever were the ranks...But they didn't find interest in being a "Ranked" cop.

The only thing they might apply for is that "solely" buffalo and some shooting trainings.

2Quote.Again I am not just talking about Bob123 , Read up again , and Read up the suggestions and Ideas again , and some people don't suit with SOME of these requirements that I found in No interest :

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=18815.0#post_Patrol_Report <--dis is da problem

Also they found no interest in that "solely" Buffalo :/

Please get your facts straight before throwing them into the outside world, big boy.