IV:MP T4 barely gets 15 players daily, despite the fact that it has much better features and improved ones than T3. Fortnite killed it. People are no longer interested in those old school games.tbh that's what I've been playing on my very limited freetime lately, I'd rather chill with friends than have a responsibility to take care of and cancer to deal with. But SA:MP's problem @Hernandez is that players moved from Argonath to server X for various reasons.
come in game then
Most of them left cuz of the current management we have. Just being honest.IV:MP T4 barely gets 15 players daily, despite the fact that it has much better features and improved ones than T3. Fortnite killed it. People are no longer interested in those old school games.. But SA:MP's problem @Hernandez is that players moved from Argonath to server X for various reasons.
IV:MP T4 barely gets 15 players daily, despite the fact that it has much better features and improved ones than T3. Fortnite killed it. People are no longer interested in those old school games.tbh that's what I've been playing on my very limited freetime lately, I'd rather chill with friends than have a responsibility to take care of and cancer to deal with. But SA:MP's problem @Hernandez is that players moved from Argonath to server X for various reasons.
There are reasons why I don't come in game, and the main reason is player's mentality and me getting sick of the players DMing and money farming and just crying when a roleplay ends the way they ddin't want (which is the way they win). You can't do something when you have no motivation, that's how things work.I've to agree. Nobody is looking forward to roleplay, have a bit of fun without money farming or deathmatching. I myself have been one of the most active players, in a year and a month I've been playing for, but right now, I seriously don't feel like going in - game. Not motivated to do so.
perhaps we should look deeper in these various reasonsMainly the environment, and partly the scripts. I'm preety sure that everyone who plays there can confirm this.
the environment is too general to sayI can say the environment in there is great. No one moans in /p, admins/managers are very helpful. New players aren't always supposed to be qualified. They become so by time. Each one of us did. Right now, not even a new player would log in to a server with 3 players. Let alone a qualified one.
when was the last time you saw qualified new player joining argonath?
the environment is too general to sayThe last time I made a solid 1 hour IG playing which was 3-4 weeks ago.
when was the last time you saw qualified new player joining argonath?
SA:MP players count has been dropped from 90k to 30k by April 2018, according to some statistics site. It's obvious that samp doesn't please the gamers as It used to be 1-2 years ago. Let's not put all the blame on the community and Its staffs.
Get ingame, do your thing, problem solved :lol:
I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.
As everyone says; it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.
I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.From the ashes we will rise...but it will take time and Argonath has to come with something very unique.
As everyone says; it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.
I've been lurking for a good time now, and watching from the sidelines. Honestly, lock down the server. Revise all the problems that creates unfairness and supports non-RP. Why was it good before, why is it bad now. What y'all need is real fresh start, from scratch. Remove everything and everyone.Well, 90% of playerbase moved to server X where they had nothing and are building from scratch and having fun. So that doubt is out of the way.
As everyone says;it's cancer. Cancer breeds and will continue to breed as long as the vessel lives. Set that bitch on fire, create a new fresh vessel. Y'all to fuckin afraid to pull some real triggers. Afraid of it will die if you pull the triggers? Dont worry mate, it is already dying. You wont lose a dime anyways.
You want to sort the issues? Either hit the reset button or give everyone free grounds to speak. A single topic, to let it all out, without "e-dick powers" that I am manager/board mod and will ban you from forums or that I am a manager/mod and I cannot speak my mind because I hold a respectable position. Equal grounds, Equal voice.
You want to sort the issues? Either hit the reset button or give everyone free grounds to speak. A single topic, to let it all out, without "e-dick powers" that I am manager/board mod and will ban you from forums or that I am a manager/mod and I cannot speak my mind because I hold a respectable position. Equal grounds, Equal voice.
I've been talking to the HQ, i've been rude sometimes, no one punished me because of expressing my opinion. Of course I would like to see more effort from their side, because except one or two people everyone else abandoned the community. Everyone shouting loud that no one lets them express their opinion and in the same time they have nothing to say.
Here is what I have to say - Andeey is contributing a lot,Traneisn't,Brianis arrogant af most of the time, Bengt used to contribute, but I don't see him around anymore, Carbon needs to give more tasks to his subordinates. Make a donation system, use the donations to advertise the server, review the rules, hire more scripters, lock the server and until everything is fixed don't open it. That way people will be curious about the changes and once it opens they'll start coming back.
People would never be punished/banned/muted for speaking out a legitimate concern. The issue with many people is that they use these topics to vent out personal frustrations towards other players, staff members and their mums.
Those that do contribute in a good manner can be seen in this topic. Yes, it's fine to put the blame on HQ/management/developers if you can explain why or if you have some factual evidence to support such claims. No one will be mad at you and start punishing if you show that you want to contribute in that way.
Furthermore, no staff member is perfect. We also make mistakes. Sometimes we add stuff to the script that later turns out to work like shit. Same goes for removing stuff. As a developer, there is nothing more frustrating than 10 topics with the same moaning (my precious money is gone), but without offering ANY solutions/suggestions.
Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about. With the good and loyal players that are left, we can do a lot to rebuild the community and restore it to its former glory. This can be in the rules, scripts, but also by adding new servers. In my opinion, those choices are completely open and community input is appreciated in all of those areas.
People would never be punished/banned/muted for speaking out a legitimate concern. The issue with many people is that they use these topics to vent out personal frustrations towards other players, staff members and their mums.
Those that do contribute in a good manner can be seen in this topic. Yes, it's fine to put the blame on HQ/management/developers if you can explain why or if you have some factual evidence to support such claims. No one will be mad at you and start punishing if you show that you want to contribute in that way.
Furthermore, no staff member is perfect. We also make mistakes. Sometimes we add stuff to the script that later turns out to work like shit. Same goes for removing stuff. As a developer, there is nothing more frustrating than 10 topics with the same moaning (my precious money is gone), but without offering ANY solutions/suggestions.
Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about. With the good and loyal players that are left, we can do a lot to rebuild the community and restore it to its former glory. This can be in the rules, scripts, but also by adding new servers. In my opinion, those choices are completely open and community input is appreciated in all of those areas.
Well it depends how strong the evidence supporting the accusations are because there is information that can lead to actual destruction but trust me there is a reason some comments are being deleted if current HQ believes his operating way is perfectly fair and fine there is no reason to avoid opening such a topic. Of course relying on the fact the topic will contain valid points and not rage accusations and shit thrown.
There is nothing to research. There are few things that are known - Carbon has to put tasks - when he does that - Bengt, Brian, Andeey and Trane have to find a way to fulfill those tasks. I put nothing personal in the things I say. For example Brian and Trane are also scripters - their role should be to find scripters to work for Argonath, create a working environment and control and lead them by example. Andeey is lead mapper, currently the server's smallest problem is lack of maps - that means he is doing his job well. For example if Carbon gives Bengt the task to review the rules and rewrite them, Bengt can use the help of our senior administrators and they can use the help of the helpers. All together should have main priority to supervise the staff team, supervise the players and find new innovative ways to improve the server and when someone is doing perfect in his area he can help the others.
Scripters should script, mappers should map, admins should punish rulebreakers, helpers should help players and HQ should supervise all of this.
But currently that chain is broken and I bet there is either a complete chaos in the HQ or no one cares. Memes won't help Argonath to get over the hard times, hard work and dedication will.
There is nothing personal in saying the things the way you see them, Miki.
One tip from me to everyone playing here: Once you log in in the server, put yourself behind and the community in front. Don't be selfish. Don't be arrogant and enjoy your stay, don't make it harder for you.
I also want to elaborate with facts about what I said about Brian that he's been arrogant. Several people witnessed that when they ask him something, sometimes he answers adequately and professional, but sometimes he ignores them or replies sarcastically.
We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
Although the player count really isn't good at the moment, I do believe that with the mass exodus we've seen in the past few days, we've lost many cancerous players. That's something to be happy about.You really are trying to get the playerbase back :lol:
Sure. Bring Khm back to manager/division leader first. He was literally the most dedicated person on the time he was a manager. He got demoted because he brought up a truth that the current management wouldn't want to come out. I noticed new players joining in that time as well. About the other people, I'm sure we can find a lot of persons who are willing to contribute for the server in the mean time.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
Let’s hear them then, prove people wrong if you can
Sure. Bring Khm back to manager/division leader first. He was literally the most dedicated person on the time he was a manager. He got demoted because he brought up a truth that the current management wouldn't want to come out. I noticed new players joining in that time as well. About the other people, I'm sure we can find a lot of persons who are willing to contribute for the server in the mean time.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
Let’s hear them then, prove people wrong if you can
We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
As for Khm, isn't the idea to have new management? He was part of that very same HQ everyone keeps throwing shit at.No one threw shit at Khm, except of the people who didn't like the fact that he never favoured anyone.
I agree, khm was a great addition for the server^
The playerbase of SA:MP itself has dropped alot by the years, it became a really old game and people just went to play and experience new games, i don't think there's not much to say about what happend to the server.
The playerbase of SA:MP itself has dropped alot by the years, it became a really old game and people just went to play and experience new games, i don't think there's not much to say about what happend to the server.
The playerbase of SA:MP itself has dropped alot by the years, it became a really old game and people just went to play and experience new games, i don't think there's not much to say about what happend to the server.
I do think it's time for the community to move to five. Gta sa is old and even if 30k people play samp then also its divided over thousands of servers and we can't really drag all 30k to argonath.
Moving to five will not only raise player count greatly but also will present a lot more opportunities to the community. And about the legal issues, I don't think there would be a problem hosting a server on fivem. Hosting.
Idk how people play vcmp but samp and vcmp are basically old and ready to die. Ivmp is also dangling. Focus has shifted to five.
We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
Don't get butthurt without even trying to listen. I don't really know much about developing, but I know that we need new fresh scripts, that players will enjoy. Everyone is bored of the old ones. We need more developers, you guys literally added the /myproperties command one year after it was suggested. I mean, come on, one year for a small ass update? That's why we need new developers.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
New developers? Alright and what do you suggest they do? RS5 isn't exactly a beginner script. The only people who are experienced with it and still active are Chase and myself.
Let us hear the people you have in mind of taking over.
Don't get butthurt without even trying to listen. I don't really know much about developing, but I know that we need new fresh scripts, that players will enjoy. Everyone is bored of the old ones. We need more developers, you guys literally added the /myproperties command one year after it was suggested. I mean, come on, one year for a small ass update? That's why we need new developers.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
New developers? Alright and what do you suggest they do? RS5 isn't exactly a beginner script. The only people who are experienced with it and still active are Chase and myself.
Let us hear the people you have in mind of taking over.
I'm not butthurt, i'm just trying to understand what you want so we can work towards a solution.Don't get butthurt without even trying to listen. I don't really know much about developing, but I know that we need new fresh scripts, that players will enjoy. Everyone is bored of the old ones. We need more developers, you guys literally added the /myproperties command one year after it was suggested. I mean, come on, one year for a small ass update? That's why we need new developers.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
New developers? Alright and what do you suggest they do? RS5 isn't exactly a beginner script. The only people who are experienced with it and still active are Chase and myself.
Let us hear the people you have in mind of taking over.
I'm not butthurt, i'm just trying to understand what you want so we can work towards a solution." Upcoming " when? In plans? Sorry, we're all fed up with plans.
More developers isn't dramatically going to increase the quality nor quantity of the scripts. Even though large changes are upcoming, that clearly isn't enough in the direct future.
As for your remarks about /myproperties that "you guys" took one year to complete: the current scripting team isn't even in charge of RS5 for 6 months. So, don't put that on us.
Making new stuff and updating existing stuff takes a long time. Why? Because the script is big. It's old. It's been worked on by 10-15 people who all added their own parts that were in their area of expertise. As a unintended side-effect, this resulted in overly complex scripts and modularity. Every developer has his own coding style and it is very hard to manage such a large script with the multitude of coding styles that are in it.I'm not butthurt, i'm just trying to understand what you want so we can work towards a solution." Upcoming " when? In plans? Sorry, we're all fed up with plans.
More developers isn't dramatically going to increase the quality nor quantity of the scripts. Even though large changes are upcoming, that clearly isn't enough in the direct future.
As for your remarks about /myproperties that "you guys" took one year to complete: the current scripting team isn't even in charge of RS5 for 6 months. So, don't put that on us.
Well every single small update requires a long ass time to be put, always. If you guys don't have enough time to do this, which i really respect, because real life is a priority, let someone who can do it.
Darty you got no idea what you're talking about :D Eventho we really need bigger scripting team, throwing shit to the current one will not make it better.I definitely do, unlike others. Not throwing shit. I've said it before, I respect their work. But we need a bigger scripting team, accept it or not.
Making new stuff and updating existing stuff takes a long time. Why? Because the script is big. It's old. It's been worked on by 10-15 people who all added their own parts that were in their area of expertise. As a unintended side-effect, this resulted in overly complex scripts and modularity. Every developer has his own coding style and it is very hard to manage such a large script with the multitude of coding styles that are in it.Like I said, I respect your work. Well anyone, who thinks they can make it should, cause I can't give specific names. In this stage we need everyone to help, not just step back and watch
Chase and me are left with it and we are working our asses of to bring you new features. Since you know exactly the right people (so you say), let them contact us! If they are suitable, they will be invited into the team.
If this topic turns out a disaster of flying shitting bullets around, I request it to be locked.No, let's not do it like that. Let's not turn this into another useless topic. Why not let everyone suggest their own ideas below, on what should change? Let's start fixing things by our own.
This isn't the purpose of the topic, so please be constructive or keep your provokation out.. you don't constructively criticize by insulting other players and developers.
Making new stuff and updating existing stuff takes a long time. Why? Because the script is big. It's old. It's been worked on by 10-15 people who all added their own parts that were in their area of expertise. As a unintended side-effect, this resulted in overly complex scripts and modularity. Every developer has his own coding style and it is very hard to manage such a large script with the multitude of coding styles that are in it.Like I said, I respect your work. Well anyone, who thinks they can make it should, cause I can't give specific names. In this stage we need everyone to help, not just step back and watch
Chase and me are left with it and we are working our asses of to bring you new features. Since you know exactly the right people (so you say), let them contact us! If they are suitable, they will be invited into the team.
Didn't do any shit talking, just said the truth without offending anyone. But hey, you guys wanna keep it like it is? Good. Keep thinking everything is alright with 2 players online, have fun.
Suggesting is far better from using an opportunity to shittalk on others. Your opinion is your opinion, and whether it is good or bad about someone, and you have the right to think whatever you want.. but expressing your opinion should only be within limits, and using an opportunity to fix the current state of the server to shit on it's leaders and developers is unacceptable, and is not the purpose of the topic.
Stop fighting ffs
Argonath hasn't died, was never even close. It's SA:MP that's having a hard time. Ever since release of RS3 and the 0.4 client, the VCMP server has seen extraordinary activity which is more than enough for a map of this size. IV:MP is doing fairly well too. So it isn't Argonath, it isn't Fortnite, exams or any other ridiculous reason that people try to come up with. It's you. It's the decisions you all collectively make, all the way from HQ down to the players themselves, who seem to have forgotten that it's called a Multiplayer Game because you are supposed to interact with players, not with scripts. It is also in the player relationships with one another. From what I've observed, you guys treat each other as rivals, enemies, instead of friends and collegues. In the meantime, VC:MP manages to circumvent the issue of the server owners being inactive to provide a stable host for us by having members of the community who are willing to pay money to keep the server alive themselves.
For those who are annoyed about the fact that even though I left SAMP a while ago but still keep giving my input, just remember your own attitude towards us when we were experiencing hard times, and realise that you really are not in a position to complain :)
This has to be like the fifth topic like this in the past few months. Nothing changes. Just organise an event with the concept of all currently still active players to get in game at once and actually roleplay, forgetting the money farming. People will get to experience what fun it is to actually roleplay in an active server again and perhaps such activity will become a much more often occurance. New players will join, seeing the online player count. It will be up to you whether you will take your time to teach them and guide them so they stay, or go back to fucking mining and deathmatching over weed spots.
Good luck.
@Jimmy_Bowling :You come out of your long mourned grave out of nowhere and start acting as the God almighty savior and all knowing guru when in reality you have zero comprehension of what is going on. Then you proceed to spill tears when given a sceptical answer. By all means, continue to prove me right about the core of the problem.
Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?can you though?
Lemme illustrate this with a picture, currently this is Argo SA:MP:
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But meth addicts will loose their virtual money and start bitching on people who will push the reset button.Well i heard in 2015-2016 the meth p/g used to be around 50-60 meth equipment price 10k and not sure about ingredients. The HQ made the mistake made prices to 116+ and ruined the server, it's okay you made it 116 then why to again low them? because people are already addicted to meth. Did anyone notice none cried about heroin? because heroin is dead none cares about heroin if you'll make 100g+ from 1 order everyone will start grinding heroin and if you'll suddenly make it 20g from 1 order then people will criticize because you give them chance to and you give them chance to grind and then take the food from their mouth because you suddenly realises it's wrong, if you'd lowered the prices slowly slowly abit abit then this shit won't hurted the server and SAMP isn't dying, the argonath players are play A "xXX" server and you won't believe after seeing it's Playerbase.
I am all in to go for the reset button. Make shit work better, make it a roleplay server and get rid of this free roaming shit. Light RP my ass..even a light RP server has roleplay standarts. We do NOT.
No offense towards Marcel, nor Chase, they have lifes too. But I was told that there is a new update coming months ago...word got out, everyone knew about that BIG update coming, so we waited...and waited....and waited, few months later we got few bug fixes some minor features added the infamous drug nerf. But that BIG update still hasn't come.What I said since the start.
@Jimmy_Bowling :You come out of your long mourned grave out of nowhere and start acting as the God almighty savior and all knowing guru when in reality you have zero comprehension of what is going on. Then you proceed to spill tears when given a sceptical answer. By all means, continue to prove me right about the core of the problem.I had a talk with Jimmy few hours ago in discord voice chat, and he knows a lot more about the situation than you think. What are you doing here anyway? You always talk shit bout' SAMP, go find a place to posthunt somewhere else.
#freekhm Stop demoting dedicated people because you do not give a fuck about the server. He obviously was keeping the people in the server with his work and dedication. Start demoting people who do not give a flying fuck about the server because staff is full with them.This so much.
/Myproperties still only shows 10-15 properties and if the names are bigger than it's a "WASTE"Don't get butthurt without even trying to listen. I don't really know much about developing, but I know that we need new fresh scripts, that players will enjoy. Everyone is bored of the old ones. We need more developers, you guys literally added the /myproperties command one year after it was suggested. I mean, come on, one year for a small ass update? That's why we need new developers.We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them
Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.
New developers? Alright and what do you suggest they do? RS5 isn't exactly a beginner script. The only people who are experienced with it and still active are Chase and myself.
Let us hear the people you have in mind of taking over.
My properties still only shows 10-15 properties and if the names are bigger than it's a "WASTE"It's just an example, who cares about that. You don't even need 10 properties.
Im saying because mostly people got 10+ properties and if you are in a Reco/offi group then that group HQ would come on that list.My properties still only shows 10-15 properties and if the names are bigger than it's a "WASTE"It's just an example, who cares about that. You don't even need 10 properties.
is he jailed or banned?Removed from a position he deserves more than anyone?
but he's basically free, no?Well, Director can't do CEO'S Job.
You don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.
You don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.Well but if suddenly got demoted becuase of 'NO" reason then it'd make the person feels bad.
You don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.
dude dont talk shit :D come in argonath
You don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.Well but if suddenly got demoted becuase of 'NO" reason then it'd make the person feels bad.
You don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.You don't need mapper rank to map. You can just submit the maps to the community. #JustSaying
We need dedicated active honest and truthful staff. Not the opposite
I got accepted as mapper and even if I haven't been accepted I wouldn't care, ranks mean nothing if u want to contribute ;) ... If Khm wanted to say something he wouldYou don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.You don't need mapper rank to map. You can just submit the maps to the community. #JustSaying
I'm not going to reply for this replies here, I'll reply to Younes's topic since I have raed all this replies and didn't get any idea about it..Let's start Western Arabs clan then! :D
Hey Younes look, I know many players didn't leave, they just got some exams, and I know many that just witing for holidays .. they're not died, they still here and reading the forum topics..Like me.. I didn't join since January 2018 but now I came back.. and soon the other players will come one by one no need to wait..
I knwo they look like they don't care , they don't think the Hq is the problem.. they got also real life, I belive that they will back as soon as possible..
Ignore my fool english or trying to write something well :lol: :lol:
Bollox, I refuse to contribute to something if it's going to waste, it would hurt more seeing it fall for nothing. You're one of the people spreading false accusations around aswell so you aren't off the hook from this. I refuse to also say anything as if I have it will just cause more people to be frustrated and leave aka adding fuel to the fire.I got accepted as mapper and even if I haven't been accepted I wouldn't care, ranks mean nothing if u want to contribute ;) ... If Khm wanted to say something he wouldYou don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.You don't need mapper rank to map. You can just submit the maps to the community. #JustSaying
Another thing is that after Khm got demoted he said he deleted some important file that he created regarding the rules...If somebody has good intentions he would not care about the rank he has, he would still contribute.
I got accepted as mapper and even if I haven't been accepted I wouldn't care, ranks mean nothing if u want to contribute ;) ... If Khm wanted to say something he wouldYou don't need manager rank to be helpful. I'm not against khm, but I think everyone can contribute equally no matter of their rank in game.You don't need mapper rank to map. You can just submit the maps to the community. #JustSaying
Another thing is that after Khm got demoted he said he deleted some important file that he created regarding the rules...If somebody has good intentions he would not care about the rank he has, he would still contribute.
Get your facts straight before accusing me of accusing people. I really don't care about people who don't have the guts to talk. You either say everything you got to say like a man or don't fuckin' waste time saying you know something that others don't. I am amazed how you underestimate the HQ and the way he was demoted.A manager is powerless in my case and a talk wont solve anything if the one who should be talking is just being a kid and insulting others with some racist remarks and refusing to talk.
Come to the voice chat, along with Khm and a manager and we'll discuss everything you want to be discussed and sort things out for the sake of the community.
There are reasons why I don't come in game, and the main reason is player's mentality and me getting sick of the players DMing and money farming and just crying when a roleplay ends the way they ddin't want (which is the way they win). You can't do something when you have no motivation, that's how things work.Exactly my man. My man. Remember when you punished like a bunch of _Gvardia members and began calling us DMers and what not, even after being told by HQ members that you were wrong? Yeah, that didn't happen once, it happens a lot, and not only by you, or admins, players do it too. And that's why I (we) lack motivation.
Exactly my man. My man. Remember when you punished like a bunch of _Gvardia members and began calling us DMers and what not, even after being told by HQ members that you were wrong? Yeah, that didn't happen once, it happens a lot, and not only by you, or admins, players do it too. And that's why I (we) lack motivation.
I still have like two more pages, but reading the title, I pointed out what's wrong. Guess I'll have to write all of that then, but you can also go through my post history and find a lot of suggestions/ideas on how to improve things around.Exactly my man. My man. Remember when you punished like a bunch of _Gvardia members and began calling us DMers and what not, even after being told by HQ members that you were wrong? Yeah, that didn't happen once, it happens a lot, and not only by you, or admins, players do it too. And that's why I (we) lack motivation.
What does this have to do with this topic? Besides I still stick to my opinion even though I have been forced off and never talked to until I myself went asking why what happened has happened. Afterall I'm in no position to judge an HQ member as it's the job of whomever is above, but I still have an opinion and no one could change it unless he gives me solid arguments.
Now you understand some of reasons why I do not play anymore and lost 80% of my motivation to go in game and went back to a server which I left a year ago for SAPD.
This topic isn't about your situation or mine though, it's about Argonath. Argonath did not die, we will stand off but not if we just stand back crying.. not if nothing is being done to get people motivated again.
You ask me why I'm sitting back and asking players and mainly HQ to work out something.. well this is because I'm quite tied now and I do not know whether anything I do would be valuable or would be another idea dumped in the inactivity of the server..
Well there's my point proven, no one bothers to listen. And now you want to get heard and your topic to make a difference? Dude, I don't want to argue with you, nor prove you wrong. You can't solve something if you don't know what the problem is. I'm pointing at the problem(s), let's figure it all out and then start finding a solution. And no, the solution isn't a simple thing as just "remove this/them, add this/them", because we lack people/rules/scripts/etc.
Not even going to start this again. Let's not derail the topic.
Back in my day, players would shit against on players, groups would shit on other groups.
Now HQ shits on HQ.
I'm not going to reply for this replies here, I'll reply to Younes's topic since I have raed all this replies and didn't get any idea about it..Let's start Western Arabs clan then! :D
Hey Younes look, I know many players didn't leave, they just got some exams, and I know many that just witing for holidays .. they're not died, they still here and reading the forum topics..Like me.. I didn't join since January 2018 but now I came back.. and soon the other players will come one by one no need to wait..
I knwo they look like they don't care , they don't think the Hq is the problem.. they got also real life, I belive that they will back as soon as possible..
Ignore my fool english or trying to write something well :lol: :lol:
Get ingame, do your thing, problem solved :lol:
You first need to think "Why would I join, what do I expect?" and then you join. You don't just join because "it's argonath". We need to step this up and look for solutions. This isn't normal, Argonath doesn't just simply stand up after some time. Something has to be done. Staying back and saying it will be solved with time won't work.
I don't direct my message to anyone saying that something has to be done by him.. rather than to all of us. But honestly you can't do it alone, you can't go in game and roleplay with your own self.. you need someone else.. and to get that someone else, you need to bring some goals and reasons to join the game, otherwise no one would ever join and it'd rather have zero players.
Well If you wanna make it that complicated, ask yourself before buying/downloading a game: Do I really wanna play that game ? Why would I wanna play that game If I'll leave it anyhow eventually ? Might aswell ask why eat if you'll get hungry anyhow :lol:
Just get ingame, Its been said millions of times now - crying over forums about low playerbase aint solving a thing. If you're tired of your roles in the server, well have a change, try something else. Right now is the perfect time to begin with something new, creative. The cancer people are after is gone, you surely wont get randomly shot down or rammed right now, go host some roleplay scenes.
One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.
#freekhm Stop demoting dedicated people because you do not give a fuck about the server. He obviously was keeping the people in the servee with his work and dedication. Start demoting people who do not give a flying fuck about the server because staff is full with them.:app: :app:
Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.Nah man, you are wrong here, many many suggestions that are doable got ignored and all of them were good for the community. You are not doing what is good for the community you are doing what you and I assume the HQ or Carbon (no idea who knows about the updates) thinks it's good for the community, those are two different things.
Some ideas are better than others and some are technically impossible. Your special snowflake attitude says enough. We do not do EVERYTHING the players want, we do what is good for the community.
Good thing you left, the days of entitled kids like yourself are over.
In the end, developers decide what is doable since they have the technical know-how to determine that.Just because the response to an idea doesn’t float your boat does not mean a developer is rude or does not listen to the idea.Nah man, you are wrong here, many many suggestions that are doable got ignored and all of them were good for the community. You are not doing what is good for the community you are doing what you and I assume the HQ or Carbon (no idea who knows about the updates) thinks it's good for the community, those are two different things.
Some ideas are better than others and some are technically impossible. Your special snowflake attitude says enough. We do not do EVERYTHING the players want, we do what is good for the community.
Good thing you left, the days of entitled kids like yourself are over.
I suggest you take in count what the players want and what they suggest more, so you actually do an update that is good for the community - because with no people there is no community.
One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
We need clear rules for everyone, people no longer have common sense, or common sense is now different among people as everyone has his own point of view supported by arguments which at last end up in a discussion being forced out by someone who is higher. Why even allow such things to happen in first place? It's your job to provide clear rules for a better environment, not leave everyone play in doubt and their own rules and when an admin punishes using his common sense, you come up with your own and say "no" "I'm not with this group" "I'm not biased" and calling people kids when all they did was do their job as written..Yeah that's a huge problem, interpretation of rules.
One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.
At least a truth is coming out isnt it.Definitely.
You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.
I point fingers at people who deserve it, I don't hide shit, I always say my opinion. Oh so you're contributing? By provoking everyone who comes in game? Bravo, keep it up.You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.
Not sure whether you know what 'cancer' means in this case, but looking at your recent posts from a different angle and perspective, you're the one spreading hate, pointing fingers at people who you think are responsible for stuff you came up with pretty much.
Speaking of contribution. do you think coming into the server and paying the taxes is a serious contribution from your end to question mine ? Well..someone should moderate this guys hate speeches over the past couple of weeks because Ive got no clue why is this guy still here or what he's after, because he surely isnt here to play, he's here only to push blame onto people.
I agree with Bogomil, these topics should be locked already, enough of the moaning, solutions are right infront of ya'll, get ingame, play and If you dont want to, move on.
Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.I point fingers at people who deserve it, I don't hide shit, I always say my opinion. Oh so you're contributing? By provoking everyone who comes in game? Bravo, keep it up.You shouldn't even start talking when it comes to atittude. You're literally the last guy who can. Go spread cancer somewhere, no one needs your shit talking here. I come in game for 5 minutes, just to check something, and you alredy provoke me. Bravo, you're contributing a lot to the community.One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
You dont get offended ingame when someone calls you a prick or something, but you do get offended if a developer calls you that ? Well Im not saying they have but they're not taking everyones suggestions into account, obviously they need to filter out some stuff. I suggest you to get a hug or something If you felt offended.
Not sure whether you know what 'cancer' means in this case, but looking at your recent posts from a different angle and perspective, you're the one spreading hate, pointing fingers at people who you think are responsible for stuff you came up with pretty much.
Speaking of contribution. do you think coming into the server and paying the taxes is a serious contribution from your end to question mine ? Well..someone should moderate this guys hate speeches over the past couple of weeks because Ive got no clue why is this guy still here or what he's after, because he surely isnt here to play, he's here only to push blame onto people.
I agree with Bogomil, these topics should be locked already, enough of the moaning, solutions are right infront of ya'll, get ingame, play and If you dont want to, move on.
I don't know how this server is going to fixed with veterans like you. I seriously mean it, change your atittude, contribute to this community, or gtfo.
Don't lock this topic, don't make it another win for people who actually just know how to whine around on forums, but don't do anything for the server either. And yes, that's you Thomas.
Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.
One of the reasons why I left Argo was how rude some developers react when players suggest something, you guys are looking to have more playerbase but you act rude and you dont even bother to listen to their ideas, do what players want and you'll have the playerbase you wish for.
Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.
Nothing more. I seriously couldn't care less about Tom, but a guy who keeps talking so much trash on forum, does that in - game, I can't be quiet. I get that you're tired as well, everything is going downhill, but being rude won't fix shit.Stop being such a argumentative little cunt and only reply when you actually have something useful to add. Last chance.
This just adds fuel to the fire, Marcel.
Nobody's whining
If you're not willing to address people's ideas and suggestions respectfully, then maybe you should lay the ground for someone else at least to reply to them.
This doesn't mean that someone is b*tthurt or something,
And yes, I myself did notice some strange and unacceptable behaviour from some of the staff (Unacceptable by the affirmation of Andeey, so don't say I'm alone).
Nobody's whining, and yes, sorry but it's the truth, the current ATM system is non-sense.
And yes, I've seen some people calling ideas "stupid" rather than "not effective" or "frankly useless".