Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

[Huntsman]

Argonath hasn't died, was never even close. It's SA:MP that's having a hard time. Ever since release of RS3 and the 0.4 client, the VCMP server has seen extraordinary activity which is more than enough for a map of this size. IV:MP is doing fairly well too. So it isn't Argonath, it isn't Fortnite, exams or any other ridiculous reason that people try to come up with. It's you. It's the decisions you all collectively make, all the way from HQ down to the players themselves, who seem to have forgotten that it's called a Multiplayer Game because you are supposed to interact with players, not with scripts. It is also in the player relationships with one another. From what I've observed, you guys treat each other as rivals, enemies, instead of friends and collegues. In the meantime, VC:MP manages to circumvent the issue of the server owners being inactive to provide a stable host for us by having members of the community who are willing to pay money to keep the server alive themselves.

For those who are annoyed about the fact that even though I left SAMP a while ago but still keep giving my input, just remember your own attitude towards us when we were experiencing hard times, and realise that you really are not in a position to complain 

This has to be like the fifth topic like this in the past few months. Nothing changes. Just organise an event with the concept of all currently still active players to get in game at once and actually roleplay, forgetting the money farming. People will get to experience what fun it is to actually roleplay in an active server again and perhaps such activity will become a much more often occurance. New players will join, seeing the online player count. It will be up to you whether you will take your time to teach them and guide them so they stay, or go back to fucking mining and deathmatching over weed spots.

Good luck.

[Jimmy_Bowling]

Argonath hasn't died, was never even close. It's SA:MP that's having a hard time. Ever since release of RS3 and the 0.4 client, the VCMP server has seen extraordinary activity which is more than enough for a map of this size. IV:MP is doing fairly well too. So it isn't Argonath, it isn't Fortnite, exams or any other ridiculous reason that people try to come up with. It's you. It's the decisions you all collectively make, all the way from HQ down to the players themselves, who seem to have forgotten that it's called a Multiplayer Game because you are supposed to interact with players, not with scripts. It is also in the player relationships with one another. From what I've observed, you guys treat each other as rivals, enemies, instead of friends and collegues. In the meantime, VC:MP manages to circumvent the issue of the server owners being inactive to provide a stable host for us by having members of the community who are willing to pay money to keep the server alive themselves.

For those who are annoyed about the fact that even though I left SAMP a while ago but still keep giving my input, just remember your own attitude towards us when we were experiencing hard times, and realise that you really are not in a position to complain 

This has to be like the fifth topic like this in the past few months. Nothing changes. Just organise an event with the concept of all currently still active players to get in game at once and actually roleplay, forgetting the money farming. People will get to experience what fun it is to actually roleplay in an active server again and perhaps such activity will become a much more often occurance. New players will join, seeing the online player count. It will be up to you whether you will take your time to teach them and guide them so they stay, or go back to fucking mining and deathmatching over weed spots.

Good luck.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to summarise all of the issues we have pointed out. I can honestly say that I do have no idea what you mean about us treating each other as rivals at all my good sir. You came off your high horse opened this topic again to take an unneeded and unnecessary shot in the back of what a bad day for me already trying to do all I can to help. All I asked was that we stop being rude and actually try to come together and simply that we end this topic.

I appreciate you showing so much class in this regard. If anyone else wants to make any long drawn out stupid comments that have been pointed out please he just opened the door for them.

Hopefully, this is the last post I beg and pray.

[Pete]

No offense towards Marcel, nor Chase, they have lifes too. But I was told that there is a new update coming months ago...word got out, everyone knew about that BIG update coming, so we waited...and waited....and waited, few months later we got few bug fixes some minor features added the infamous drug nerf. But that BIG update still hasn't come.

No offense to all the mappers (including me ) they have lifes too. But we were told about the mall! The big rework, even constructions were mapped there. So we waited...and waited and waited...until in the end nobody mentioned anything about the mall-...The BIG mapped change! Same as SAPD int...
Again I don't blame the people who were given/took those tasks, but at least keep us update (or don't mention what's coming up unless you are sure you can bring it) My point on what's wrong...more organization is needed, you give a task to someone - you follow him you ask him for progress ask him what's his deadline.

You give voice to the people, you ask them what they want YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN to what they want and TAKE IT into consideration. Don't just pass it over....As much as this would sound bad for you and maybe even crazy, give the people what they want..not the opposite, yes you can't make everyone happy but it's with a little bit of thinking you can come to a middle ground (of course if you have a vision of the server try to stick to it) not saying turning the RPG to TDM but you don't need the server if there are no players. If you don't aim for a higher playerbase, be loyal to the few people that play and listen to them.

One more thing that's been killing this community for long, long time....the God damn hate..and I am not speaking player to player or player to HQ hate, hate in general, admin to admin admin to mod, mod to helper, helper to HQ CAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE HIM EMS CHIEF - I'm joking. But even if there is hate in the staff team, how can you expect players not to dislike you or each other....both the people that hate each other are here for one simple thing to play and make this place something better. Hating one another and sabotaging your work makes it worst....HELL it's the worst thing that can happen.

I won't say go IG and raise the activity, I'd say help the community one way or another.

[Huntsman]

 @Jimmy_Bowling :You come out of your long mourned grave out of nowhere and start acting as the God almighty savior and all knowing guru when in reality you have zero comprehension of what is going on. Then you proceed to spill tears when given a sceptical answer. By all means, continue to prove me right about the core of the problem.

[Jimmy_Bowling]

@Jimmy_Bowling :You come out of your long mourned grave out of nowhere and start acting as the God almighty savior and all knowing guru when in reality you have zero comprehension of what is going on. Then you proceed to spill tears when given a sceptical answer. By all means, continue to prove me right about the core of the problem.

Sir from my grave I come to try to help as you continue to not be able to listen just like when you were in the SAPD. How about this you let me try and at least I did? Lets put it like this in my day job... we work as a team.. we have to... Lemme try this approach rather than the deconstructive one.

[Younes]

I agree..

[Kacper_Gorski]

Something is wrong, how are we going to respond to this?

can you though?

[Paco]

The SA:MP community is too heated, topics end up with many pages with posts, yet nothing happens. Like seriously, by only watching, and not contributing, I've seen hundreds of these topics. Same results, lock and loaded. Honestly, if y'all want to get things stable in the community itself, let the fire burn out. Lock down the server, wait a month or two. You'll have plenty of time fixing server issues, attend IRL responsibilities and let this frustration burn out.

You, the developers, are working in mid fucking stress, you're heated and fucked in every corner, yet you're trying to do something. Kudos to you, but I don't want y'all to end up like Teddy; getting your brain fried and going mental. Shut down the server, relax, plan, execute and roll.

Lemme illustrate this with a picture, currently this is Argo SA:MP:

[Jimmy_Bowling]

Lemme illustrate this with a picture, currently this is Argo SA:MP:

I fully agree but at the same time by closing, you have no guarantee that people will come back. Before we take that step I think we need to try to just actually respect each other and roleplay and want it to work rather than want something new.

[Bruce.]

#freekhm Stop demoting dedicated people because you do not give a fuck about the server. He obviously was keeping the people in the servee with his work and dedication. Start demoting people who do not give a flying fuck about the server because staff is full with them.

[Ehks]

Is it possible to restrict poll-voting to those who have above 100 posts? If so then the following can be made:

Developers go around the posts and collect enough information on different demands the players are asking for (Whether it be going back to old scripts or fixing the current one) make a topic and display it on a poll. Whatever passes first start working on it and then repeat again... And again... Until the necessary demands are met.

I didn't read all the posts but it seems you people get offended too easily and are too fucking emotional and half of the posts are half dumb and half stupid or another attempt to raise the post count. Fuck your freedom of speech if you're gonna get butt-hurt by someone's opinion or the truth. - 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what, that doesn't help does it?

The solution is right there... It's literally right there and nobody wants to work. It seems like everyone wants the same bullshit but nobody wants the same shit in the same time, what the fuck? Otherwise why the fuck are you fighting.

I think the developers should start a topic announcing how they're going to deal with it, hopefully that will ease a lot of minds here and little by little we'll pick up the bits and fix this. Otherwise, expect more of these topics and only these topics.

Best of luck to Marcel and Chase, thanks for sticking around appreciated much.

If anyone got offended by my post, keep on reading it.

Lemme save you some time: I can't login in the meantime, I'm using my backup laptop I have limited internet where I am and not very much storage either. For those who can, happy gaming.

[Bennzy]

But meth addicts will loose their virtual money and start bitching on people who will push the reset button.
I am all in to go for the reset button. Make shit work better, make it a roleplay server and get rid of this free roaming shit. Light RP my ass..even a light RP server has roleplay standarts. We do NOT.

Well i heard in 2015-2016 the meth p/g used to be around 50-60 meth equipment price 10k and not sure about ingredients. The HQ made the mistake made prices to 116+ and ruined the server, it's okay you made it 116 then why to again low them? because people are already addicted to meth. Did anyone notice none cried about heroin? because heroin is dead none cares about heroin if you'll make 100g+ from 1 order everyone will start grinding heroin and if you'll suddenly make it 20g from 1 order then people will criticize because you give them chance to and you give them chance to grind and then take the food from their mouth because you suddenly realises it's wrong, if you'd lowered the prices slowly slowly abit abit then this shit won't hurted the server and SAMP isn't dying, the argonath players are play A "xXX" server and you won't believe after seeing it's Playerbase.

[Darty]

No offense towards Marcel, nor Chase, they have lifes too. But I was told that there is a new update coming months ago...word got out, everyone knew about that BIG update coming, so we waited...and waited....and waited, few months later we got few bug fixes some minor features added the infamous drug nerf. But that BIG update still hasn't come.

What I said since the start.

@Jimmy_Bowling :You come out of your long mourned grave out of nowhere and start acting as the God almighty savior and all knowing guru when in reality you have zero comprehension of what is going on. Then you proceed to spill tears when given a sceptical answer. By all means, continue to prove me right about the core of the problem.

I had a talk with Jimmy few hours ago in discord voice chat, and he knows a lot more about the situation than you think. What are you doing here anyway? You always talk shit bout' SAMP, go find a place to posthunt somewhere else.

#freekhm Stop demoting dedicated people because you do not give a fuck about the server. He obviously was keeping the people in the server with his work and dedication. Start demoting people who do not give a flying fuck about the server because staff is full with them.

This so much.

[Bennzy]

We get it, Management sucks, they're all evil, people left because of them yeah yeah.
 Who's gonna replace them then? How do you suggest that works? Don't just point at the problem, suggest a solution.

New management and developers. I've names in my head as well, but people are gonna come up with " no he's biased " just to shit on them

New developers? Alright and what do you suggest they do? RS5 isn't exactly a beginner script. The only people who are experienced with it and still active are Chase and myself.

Let us hear the people you have in mind of taking over.

Don't get butthurt without even trying to listen. I don't really know much about developing, but I know that we need new fresh scripts, that players will enjoy. Everyone is bored of the old ones. We need more developers, you guys literally added the /myproperties command one year after it was suggested. I mean, come on, one year for a small ass update? That's why we need new developers.

/Myproperties still only shows 10-15 properties and if the names are bigger than it's a "WASTE"

[Darty]

My properties still only shows 10-15 properties and if the names are bigger than it's a "WASTE"

It's just an example, who cares about that. You don't even need 10 properties.