Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TheLegitHabibi on May 26, 2019, 02:19:57 pm
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
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True.. I mean, I remember RS5 was soooooo hyped up, that we couldn't wait. Everyone started leaving one by one slowly.
But damn, I would be so happy if RS4 was brought back.
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yeah man, same here. remember our farm? i want all that back
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we dont have any problem with the current script
the problem that no one is gonna login when he see 0/200 player
no one is gonna login and rp/play alone
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we dont have any problem with the current script
the problem that no one is gonna login when he see 0/200 player
no one is gonna login and rp/play alone
Script that we have is stable and good, we cant blame developers for anything, they have done great job to make this alive. Problem is with people who wont to join server even when we have 0/200.
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Instead of whining for RS4, just go ingame, RP and join in Initiative: Carson..
Show some self-initiative and RP!
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
RS4 was not as stable and there was absolutely no way to add cool stuff to it/event scripts and so on, whats the issue with RS6? Nothing. What is wrong with players not joining? Everything.
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
RS4 was not as stable and there was absolutely no way to add cool stuff to it/event scripts and so on, whats the issue with RS6? Nothing. What is wrong with players not joining? Everything.
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
What is wrong with players not joining? Everything.
You can't blame the players for not enjoying your server. They used to enjoy it, not anymore, they decided to move on. I like how you find excuses in everything and quickly blame it on players instead of trying to fix the server. People left for a reason, find why and try to fix it instead of being asslicker and defending hq. With your mentality, I can guarantee you, you will never pass 5 players.
Even if you go back to rs4, players won't join, that is a fact :shrugs:
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Obviously if players aren't joining, there is a problem with you and your server, not them. There are plenty of other servers that are full or have more than a hundred players; but why do they play? Because they enjoy it, unlike here.
Don't put the blame on players for not joining, it's their choice and choices are made upon reasons, and you have to look up your own reasons, not find excuses and sit behind.
P.S: Constructive opinion, please don't shit on me; thanks.
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what do you expect from a 13 years old community ? people grow up too. it's no one's fault, stop shitting on everything
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what do you expect from a 13 years old community ? people grow up too. it's no one's fault, stop shitting on everything
there are more then hundreds of communities that are older then argonath, and they still have stable playerbase.
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
RS4 was not as stable and there was absolutely no way to add cool stuff to it/event scripts and so on, whats the issue with RS6? Nothing. What is wrong with players not joining? Everything.
lmao what "cool stuff"
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While I don't like to say it... It is clearly the server's fault... The game has to be good enough for it to both attract new people but also keep its old players around, we have neither... especially the new people part... It's just the same all around shits playing together for years... Every now and so often, someone realizes how shit this place is, and just leaves, that's just it...
Sure something may happen against and stirs shit up, get hopes up, get people around for old times shake, and with the dream of getting the place to feel like what it felt like years ago. But we've all changed, it'll never feel like it used to... We grew older and expect more from our free time... Hence all the moaning.
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Bring back RS4. Its obvious people dont the changes in scripts..
What is wrong with players not joining? Everything.
You can't blame the players for not enjoying your server.
I didn't say it's players fault, I said the only issue is that players don't join and not that we don't have to look for the root of it. Asslicking HQ? Please. I said that only cause I enjoy RS6 scripts that are provided.
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Even if you give each player $10m cash there will be less than 15 people logging in, without a legit leadership who would step forward and take initiatives to revive it back it will be just floating.
“The greatest leader is not necessarily the one who does the greatest things. He is the one that gets the people to do the greatest things.” – Ronald Reagan ;)
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After seeing the following:
I'd say HQ could perhaps be more active but we all could be. Initiative: Carson is running, join in, get some RP happening. To be fair, we were actually hitting a good 30-40 players a night. I think some people are just demotivated by the V:MP shutdown, and to be fair, that's understandable.
However, if we could hit 40 players a night then, we can do it now! Official groups such as SAFD, SAEMS, SAPD and FBI should crack down on activity expectations, host more events such as the public training I hosted on Saturday.
We just need some motivation, determination and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. With all this, Argonath SA:MP will be hitting 40 players a night in no time!
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Personally for me, it's the lack of RP. And that lack of RP gradually increased the past 3-4 years to the point of legit braindead 12 year old retards being unbanned just to sustain a playerbase. At this point I do not believe there's much that can be done to bring back the playerbase, despite our dev team's hard work(To which we should be grateful!). The fact we kept the same troublemaking groups keep growing and growing, no valid group administration, no rules or at least guidelines of Roleplay...We just took the final step toward being a freeroam server, and hate to say it but many of our members were free to roam elsewhere.
As for the people throwing shit at HQ...Well, I don't see you guys suggesting an alternative or doing anything better but then again...The server's dead because of fucktards like you people too. When the minority of dislikeable players with cancerous attitude becomes the majority, in place of the people who logged in to roleplay and enjoy their time, that's when the problem occurs.
Everyone kept bringing up that other server that opened up, well that server was Argo's greatest chance to shine. Because a majority of those idiots who keep ruining the place left off for that server, we had a clean start. But noone wanted to take the next steps, they waited for someone to do it for them.
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Personally for me, it's the lack of RP. And that lack of RP gradually increased the past 3-4 years to the point of legit braindead 12 year old retards being unbanned just to sustain a playerbase. At this point I do not believe there's much that can be done to bring back the playerbase, despite our dev team's hard work(To which we should be grateful!). The fact we kept the same troublemaking groups keep growing and growing, no valid group administration, no rules or at least guidelines of Roleplay...We just took the final step toward being a freeroam server, and hate to say it but many of our members were free to roam elsewhere.
As for the people throwing shit at HQ...Well, I don't see you guys suggesting an alternative or doing anything better but then again...The server's dead because of fucktards like you people too. When the minority of dislikeable players with cancerous attitude becomes the majority, in place of the people who logged in to roleplay and enjoy their time, that's when the problem occurs.
Everyone kept bringing up that other server that opened up, well that server was Argo's greatest chance to shine. Because a majority of those idiots who keep ruining the place left off for that server, we had a clean start. But noone wanted to take the next steps, they waited for someone to do it for them.
Exactly, we still have some dirt left in there though. There are a few people who needs to be permanently blacklisted.
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Again this? :rolleyes:
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http://www.mauzen.org/samp/index.php?stat=players&interval=10080
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incre legit braindead 12 year old retards being unbanned just to sustain a playerbase.
:rofl: i know who u are talking about xD and yea indeed :lol:
There are a few people who needs to be permanently blacklisted.
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Again this? :rolleyes:
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http://www.mauzen.org/samp/index.php?stat=players&interval=10080
This. It's not just an Argonath issue. It's an entire SAMP issue. Sure you may find a couple english rp servers with 20-30 players other than that major well known one with ~100 players. However it's clear the SAMP community as a whole has been neglected by the creator of SAMP - Kye/Kalcor/Kyeman w/e you want to call him.
- He doesn't like how youtube operates, so he censors YouTube links on the official SAMP forums, tells people to make their own forums if they want to do so, yet bans people for mentioning said forum when they do make one.
- SAMP forums have been getting a lot of DDoS attacks from the middle east region. Instead of doing proper DDoS mitigation he decides to block the entire IP range from accessing the forum, which won't stop an actual DDoS attack.
- Internet list mirrors the hosted (paid) list because he doesn't want to take effort into cleaning up bot ridden servers, while also refusing offers to help in that process.
- And the final nail in the coffin is him refusing to update SAMP with much needed updates and bug fixes, while banning most of the prominent script contributors for speaking out about it.
Former SAMP developer and betatester Y_Less and some others are making a backwards compatible SAMP alternative called open.mp .. I don't know how long it would take for them to get something workable released but it's SAMP's only hope right now. You can find more about it here - https://www.open.mp/
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incre legit braindead 12 year old retards being unbanned just to sustain a playerbase.
:rofl: i know who u are talking about xD and yea indeed :lol:
There are a few people who needs to be permanently blacklisted.
Stay on topic.
In addition, let's just keep Argo alive, we can have fun if we just put a bit of effort into it. Let's just invest some effort.
Also, Chase has a point.
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Again this? :rolleyes:
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http://www.mauzen.org/samp/index.php?stat=players&interval=10080
This. It's not just an Argonath issue. It's an entire SAMP issue. Sure you may find a couple english rp servers with 20-30 players other than that major well known one with ~100 players. However it's clear the SAMP community as a whole has been neglected by the creator of SAMP - Kye/Kalcor/Kyeman w/e you want to call him.
- He doesn't like how youtube operates, so he censors YouTube links on the official SAMP forums, tells people to make their own forums if they want to do so, yet bans people for mentioning said forum when they do make one.
- SAMP forums have been getting a lot of DDoS attacks from the middle east region. Instead of doing proper DDoS mitigation he decides to block the entire IP range from accessing the forum, which won't stop an actual DDoS attack.
- Internet list mirrors the hosted (paid) list because he doesn't want to take effort into cleaning up bot ridden servers, while also refusing offers to help in that process.
- And the final nail in the coffin is him refusing to update SAMP with much needed updates and bug fixes, while banning most of the prominent script contributors for speaking out about it.
Former SAMP developer and betatester Y_Less and some others are making a backwards compatible SAMP alternative called open.mp .. I don't know how long it would take for them to get something workable released but it's SAMP's only hope right now. You can find more about it here - https://www.open.mp/
Wow, that looks cool and good mission too. Hopefully something actually happens!
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Again this? :rolleyes:
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http://www.mauzen.org/samp/index.php?stat=players&interval=10080
This. It's not just an Argonath issue. It's an entire SAMP issue. Sure you may find a couple english rp servers with 20-30 players other than that major well known one with ~100 players. However it's clear the SAMP community as a whole has been neglected by the creator of SAMP - Kye/Kalcor/Kyeman w/e you want to call him.
- He doesn't like how youtube operates, so he censors YouTube links on the official SAMP forums, tells people to make their own forums if they want to do so, yet bans people for mentioning said forum when they do make one.
- SAMP forums have been getting a lot of DDoS attacks from the middle east region. Instead of doing proper DDoS mitigation he decides to block the entire IP range from accessing the forum, which won't stop an actual DDoS attack.
- Internet list mirrors the hosted (paid) list because he doesn't want to take effort into cleaning up bot ridden servers, while also refusing offers to help in that process.
- And the final nail in the coffin is him refusing to update SAMP with much needed updates and bug fixes, while banning most of the prominent script contributors for speaking out about it.
Former SAMP developer and betatester Y_Less and some others are making a backwards compatible SAMP alternative called open.mp .. I don't know how long it would take for them to get something workable released but it's SAMP's only hope right now. You can find more about it here - https://www.open.mp/
Well yeah banning 1/7 of the world's population ain't a good move
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Monotony is the issue on all argonath servers.
Lack of activities. Lack of various jobs.
There's one or two well paying jobs, while the rest pay crap.
So everyone's either moneyhunting or bumming around.
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SA:MP is like someone who can't swim and is thrown in the sea. Just a matter of time in my opinion.
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If all of you stopped shitting on forum and got in game, server wouldn't be dead :lol:
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If all of you stopped shitting on forum and got in game, server wouldn't be dead :lol:
I agree! Log in and lets eat Cevapcici
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yeah man, same here. remember our farm? i want all that back
butiful farm habibi :'(
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Personally for me, it's the lack of RP. And that lack of RP gradually increased the past 3-4 years to the point of legit braindead 12 year old retards being unbanned just to sustain a playerbase. At this point I do not believe there's much that can be done to bring back the playerbase, despite our dev team's hard work(To which we should be grateful!). The fact we kept the same troublemaking groups keep growing and growing, no valid group administration, no rules or at least guidelines of Roleplay...We just took the final step toward being a freeroam server, and hate to say it but many of our members were free to roam elsewhere.
I agree alot of the playerbase have just moved on from this server and i don't think there's much more you can do to bring back the playerbase, In my opinion i believe that some of the groups and families in the server barely follow or knows the server rules or the groups and families rules, even not knowing how to roleplay and just really have the intuition of mass dming, hunting players down and many others things and yet nothing happens to them, they are some kind of "untouchables" and the same goes for other players. I believe that's ONE of the reasons the server is dead, the incapacity of the administration not properly dealing with the groups and families or even the players the way they should and keep giving them chances and chances so they can do it over and over again repeatedly.
If you look up the rules everything you see in-game it's completely different.
- Never fight another group because you hate them.
- Wars for invalid/weak reasons will be considered as mass death-matching. Clans and Groups can be DISBANDED (but yet this shit keeps happening and nothing happens) by the administrators if problems persist.
- Once an attack is over the attackers should leave the area and return to their own territory. Any retaliation attacks may only be carried out THREE HOURS after the initial attack occurred and this does NOT mean dead players may return to the role-play situation. (which i have seen many times not happen and players from both sides that died on the attack situation just come back after 3 hours and aparently they say "I can go back, it's a different situation", it actually isn't, you're still finding a way to attack the opposite side, and even if you try to find a completely different way of going after them, it's still the same shit.
- Killing any player on sight without interacting with them or giving them a chance to role-play.
Either this is a big bullshit and the rules are just a completely mess or i'm being illusional and not reading things right.
The list goes on and on.
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Monotony is the issue on all argonath servers.
Lack of activities. Lack of various jobs.
There's one or two well paying jobs, while the rest pay crap.
So everyone's either moneyhunting or bumming around.
I disagree for the Samp server atleast. Past months have seen a lot of development and the script is way more stable and interesting. Balancing is done nicely and various jobs are now worth doing.
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
Databases are lost, erased, deleted, get over it, lol
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
:janek:
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
Databases are lost, erased, deleted, get over it, lol
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The man who created it, he himself destroyed it with his "vision". He forced the unfinished script (RS5) to be put onto the server. Can't tell if the hard reset or if the script itself not working was worse.
To the people of RP creed, you've been playing on the wrong server for a decade now. Argonath was unique because it was freeroam/light RP. As soon as you started making up random rules and scripts to stop that it went down the drain. I dont want to see someone displaying his good english knowledge by writing on his screen and adding a /me prefix, thats boring, i want to see Lustig landing AT-400 backwards on GS9 and if everything blows up, fuck it, it's cool.
Can we recall the bullshit story of how RS4 script was lost due to a DDoS attack or something?
All that was lost was a month of data and we know that because after people moaning about RS5, they rolledback RS4 with a month data loss and everything was cool again.
Then suddenly another DDoS happens and RS4 disappears again just to forcefully rollout RS5 and magically noone has a copy of RS4 script anymore.
The only good thing RS5 brought is the backend and players dont care for that. As long as FPS is good and things load decently fast it's fine. If it was working okay with 150 players, im sure it would work just fine with 50 nowadays.
I'm sure we all still play games, just not SAMP. Most of us would have time to play SAMP if it was worth that time.
Long story short, there's only one man to blame for this.
Gandalf himself.
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I personally feel there's nothing wrong with the scripts. People just ran off to Mudoo RPG, because of some struggles Argonath has had. However, before the release of V:MP and the Armelin fiasco, we were having a good 40 players a night!
I feel players are demotivated by Argonath because of what Armelin did, which is understandable. However I feel that should we give it a go, we can get the playerbase back to 40 a night again. We just need to be motivated, dedicated and we'll need to be actively involved in Initiative: Carson.
Let's do this! ;)
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The man who created it, he himself destroyed it with his "vision". He forced the unfinished script (RS5) to be put onto the server. Can't tell if the hard reset or if the script itself not working was worse.
To the people of RP creed, you've been playing on the wrong server for a decade now. Argonath was unique because it was freeroam/light RP. As soon as you started making up random rules and scripts to stop that it went down the drain. I dont want to see someone displaying his good english knowledge by writing on his screen and adding a /me prefix, thats boring, i want to see Lustig landing AT-400 backwards on GS9 and if everything blows up, fuck it, it's cool.
Can we recall the bullshit story of how RS4 script was lost due to a DDoS attack or something?
All that was lost was a month of data and we know that because after people moaning about RS5, they rolledback RS4 with a month data loss and everything was cool again.
Then suddenly another DDoS happens and RS4 disappears again just to forcefully rollout RS5 and magically noone has a copy of RS4 script anymore.
The only good thing RS5 brought is the backend and players dont care for that. As long as FPS is good and things load decently fast it's fine. If it was working okay with 150 players, im sure it would work just fine with 50 nowadays.
I'm sure we all still play games, just not SAMP. Most of us would have time to play SAMP if it was worth that time.
Long story short, there's only one man to blame for this.
Gandalf himself.
haha #BoycottGandalfAlAssadRegime
Gandalf is also the reason why Ajax lost didn't make it to champion league.
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
Most script changes from 5.2 to 6 was done directly from player feedback. I don't think any amount of scripts can bring back players at this point. The RS4 code is still archived. I can set up a legacy server with RS4 in little time if people are so inclined to test this hypothesis.
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
Most script changes from 5.2 to 6 was done directly from player feedback. I don't think any amount of scripts can bring back players at this point. The RS4 code is still archived. I can set up a legacy server with RS4 in little time if people are so inclined to test this hypothesis.
Oh man oh man, RS4 fork. That would be intense. Maybe put it up for a vote? Kind of like how RS did for OSRS?
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Scripts are cool. I just wish I had more time on my hands to join. Whenever I do join, someone else follows and we usually have a great time :bananav:
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if all of you philosophers spent 1 minute per month for every word in your precious comments, we wouldnt be having this talk rn
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Bogomil has a point :lol:
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I don't see how simply stating that Armelin quit is trash talking. But regardless please keep that and IVMP drama out of here. I would like to avoid having to lock yet another topic due to constant derails. Thanks.
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RS6 is clearly not working. Evidence is 0 players. Simple RS4 script had 100s of players. The decline was obviously because of script and rule changes.
Revert everything before there's nobody left to revert it for.
Most script changes from 5.2 to 6 was done directly from player feedback. I don't think any amount of scripts can bring back players at this point. The RS4 code is still archived. I can set up a legacy server with RS4 in little time if people are so inclined to test this hypothesis.
Do ittt
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I'll put up a poll later today to see how much interest is in it then...
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I'll put up a poll later today to see how much interest is in it then...
Inb4 0 votes on poll just like the server. Cause y'all too late
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Yeah, well I don't have a time machine. Even if I had one, I didn't get full access to the server until maybe a little less than a year ago. It just so happens that the RS4 scripts are on there from April fools a year or two ago. If they never did that then I would never had a way to get the scripts.
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I didn't mean to offend you. Please proceed with the poll and bring back light RP argonath with freecops and infernuses and AT 400s
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I'm not offended, I genuinely thought there was a legit discussion going on...?
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Yes ok. It just sounded like u got triggered with your time machine remark. It's great I misunderstood.
Yes this is as genuine as it gets. Waiting on the poll. Fingers crossed
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Here - http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=126464
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I voted yes but it isn't gonna do anything. Same admins, same butthurt people, same shit, different statuses. What's gonna happen is we're gonna go around on jetpacks shooting combat shotgun once in a while because we have millions to spend anyway. After that we're gonna have two servers with 0 players, yay!
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I voted yes but it isn't gonna do anything. Same admins, same butthurt people, same shit, different statuses. What's gonna happen is we're gonna go around on jetpacks shooting combat shotgun once in a while because we have millions to spend anyway. After that we're gonna have two servers with 0 players, yay!
Our stats are saved??
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I voted yes but it isn't gonna do anything. Same admins, same butthurt people, same shit, different statuses. What's gonna happen is we're gonna go around on jetpacks shooting combat shotgun once in a while because we have millions to spend anyway. After that we're gonna have two servers with 0 players, yay!
Our stats are saved??
I mean I had only cash in RS4, not a lot of properties, but others had properties and not a lot of cash, that kind of status.
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@Chase @Andeey ,let the players chose what they want, for the servers sake. The poll was more for rs4 , listen to the players for once in your life.
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What do you want me to do? Literally read what I said on the poll.
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@Chase @Andeey ,let the players chose what they want, for the servers sake. The poll was more for rs4 , listen to the players for once in your life.
It's about Andeey, not Chase :lol:
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Well then Andeey should allow it because sometimes its a better move to make one step backwards. Thats the one and the only way to bring Argonath into life.
We saw how rs5 was.
Its clear that players cant accept it, just give them what do they want and it will be okay.
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That's honestly the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard from a leader, but who am I to judge? Apparently, there is "a lot" to lose for the management when we literally have no one playing, and doing something that would not harm in any way would be a big deal for the server as we would divide the 0 to "(" and ")" and it isn't good for the unexisting playerbase.
P.S: I'm not being toxic, I'm rather being honest so please do not shit on me.
p.s: edited to offend none. thats not my purpose.
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State your points but state it well.
Argonath was never a democracy. Yes, player needs are important but it does not mean that it has to be fulfilled. Put your points through respectfully and leave the rest to HQ.
Think for a moment - if we all react this way, does it change anything besides leaving a sour taste in both mouths?
Relax and type coolly. If you can't, get out and get some fresh air and then reply.
Best,
Cutt3r
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You saw what majority wants on the poll.
Just give us a separate server to test things out man. Like... I get y'all worked on scripts but if people don't want them why are you forcing them down our throat?
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Honestly Andeey. Literally majority of us wants a separate server. We have 75 votes. That's 75 players who are potentially gonna play on this RS4 rollback.
That's before u locked the poll and more votes came in.
Drop Ur ego and do what the community wants. Stop this stuck up attitude argonath always had. U lose Ur player base because of it.
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haha once again not listening to the players but being ignorant, same old andeey. Also what playerbase? you have 0 players on the server every fucking time how will it affect the official server if you were to release rs4.
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Lol you think putting it back to RS4 will make it active again? hell no!
Everyone should just log in and have fun, this server has everything thanks to Chase and Teddy, they added everything, i think only missing puzzle is weapon craft then everything is fine.
So log in now and stop moan on forum
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We don't lose anything with having a separate RS 4 server for a while. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. :)
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We don't lose anything with having a separate RS 4 server for a while. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. :)
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the server isnt dead at all, yesterday when i joined no one was there then like 10 mins later it was already 10. People just waiting for someone to join because they dont want to play alone ofcourse.
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What Cutter said. Can't lose anything when there's nothing to lose.
Keep learning cpp, writing code, trying new things and making it your way on the official server and let us kids have some funz like in the good old days away from the bullshit that RS5 is(not from the engineering side of things, from the side of comfort, simplicity and ease of playing). Just do it, it's no harm to anyone except to your egos and time spent on the wrong things.
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We don't lose anything with having a separate RS 4 server for a while. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. :)
Amen u mofo. Amen.
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Fuck this, probably gonna get my comment removed and topic locked, but here it goes:
Scripts were never the issue. The issue was leadership. Did we have trucking in RS4? No. Neither did we have lots of other things. I mean just look at the weed script and tell me you'd rather have the old 7 spots back. I'll DM you. But the problem was we were promised things and when we kept asking they gave us even more false promises. I mean RS5 is 6 years old? Yeah, it took us 6 years for a store/load script. And let's be real, we did have containers, we did have lots of things, that were workarounds of the main script. That's it, that's the problem. Keep lying to your players, keep making false promises, keep being dicks, and you'll get nothing but dicks in return. "Treat others as you would like to be treated" - Welcome screen of SA:MP. I want to DM people with a hydra too, if I can't do that, I will leave.
75 votes on yes? That shows you that all the player base is still around, just like me, I just have nothing to go IG for, and if I do some dude will piss me off and get me banned, so why bother anyway.
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We don't lose anything with having a separate RS 4 server for a while. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. :)
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Preach
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You guys need to understand that there have been alot of changes since RS4. In both terms, script and leadership and all the issues stated for the past years and until now have been there since the very beginning, we got left with something that just causes a neverending fight within the SA:MP division and its players. I agree with Stivi; scripts were never the issue, back in the days people felt comfortable with the things they had because that was all they could get, despite the leadership issues players were still there.
Many things happened, messy things to be specific, RS5 got released and alot of people were unpleased not because the script was hard to understand nor the bugs because both gamemodes had bugs, but because it was far from being what they expected, because it was far from being what they got told to it was going to be. Alot was promised yet too little was made and that's what made players to lose the motivation, because the improvements were always on hold, not because it was decided that way, but because that's how RS5 begun. Released due to a loss on the old server data, unfinished, unstable, causing complaints and with the complaints came the resignment of several development members and leaders, leaving the next HQ with a pile of waste and so on until this point; the damage was done.
As many others tried to keep going replacements were just making things harder to fix, because there was no longer a solid ground for a team. I'm not saying things that we already know as an excuse, our leadership has flaws, so did the previous ones, alot of scripters/mappers resigned for the same reasons, the complaints made for what was left for them to solve made them lose the motivation aswell and I don't blame them, as I don't blame Chase for not working as fast as we need, nor having to hire Teddy so that we can get actual updates in a decent period of time and definitely I don't blame the players for leaving after being let down.
Regarding RS4 and a Legacy server, I actually disagreed with saying that it's a waste of time, the real waste of time has passed already, when the community got promised changes and new scripts yet nothing happened. But don't get me wrong, I do not think that RS4 is the solution, I don't think that releasing an old gamemode it's going to give us a SA:MP server with 100 players, but we don't lose anything in trying all the alternatives we have at hand, we are here to listen the players afterall. As I already told Andeey in private, whether if it works or not, it would finally give an answer to those that always keep bringing back the "we should return to RS4" argument. If it works well gg, if it wont at least they wont ask for it anymore.
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I mean just look at the weed script and tell me you'd rather have the old 7 spots back. I'll DM you.
Come at me. Let's take weed script as an example.
What difference does it make? You had 7 spots before, you still tehnically have 7 spots now, it's just that you can grow a bigger amount. What i mean by that is that there are still 7 common spots where u plant your weed, they are just not on the farm fields but in the open and you get lower prices and kg limits to balance it out. Just proves that a more complex script doesnt bring a significant change, all it did was make it really really annoying cuz you have to spam /plant and /harvest 100 times and wait 2-3 hours on top of that for it to grow, even more annoying.
See, RS5 scripts are just complicated, annoying and not user friendly. Probably the most used script proves that.
Im not even going to touch the past leadership subject, there was maybe one worthy guy of his position.
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Waste of time, waste of 100mb ram and bla-bla-bla...
For starters, I had fun on both versions (RS4 and RS5) but I managed to play longer on RS4. Was it because of the money I had? Was it for the freedom to kill someone because of the heroin spot and then not get punished just because I killed a Gvardia (nothing against, just keep reading)? Maybe because all my friends played that version and gave up having to go back to work to get their goods? Or do not waste any more time to re-understand the server again? Maybe because there was the Combat Shotgun? Orange suspects? A version where they used the excuse of robbing a bank and negotiating with an agent to simply end up in a DM fest?
I think after reading all your comments, I found why many people want RS4. The server administration.
The problem is the current administration? Yes. All? No.
There are just administrators and some who only see what they want. There are a few who use administrative power in their favor. But what would improve if they brought RS4? New administration? No. But why did I vote yes? Because I want to remember old memories but besides wanting to RS4 back, I would also like to have the old rules, the old administration (Cyril_Olaso, [Rstar] Peter ...) and many more that now I do not remember. When clans like TeaM, TCL, WS, and =AV= were so active? And when did Stracci have 22 players online? The Lucianos who recruited all who entered the server and helped these "weak" people to learn more about the server? Where could people focus solely on money and find some way to fight the police without ever being considered BAIT or from 3h to 3h the Sopranos attacked the Blaze at their HQ? And the Corleone HQ war where the map was flooded with blips, where there were probably 60/200 players online in that area? Maybe I said some things that EVERYONE did not get to witness but maybe it's also a call to attention those who might think "it really was more fun, could do weed and heroin, walk to shooting with the police and enemies like the reality of GTA besides also have to do a little RP as this has always been a Light-RP server.
Anything badly written, I apologize because I write this in a hurry after work but, finally, Andeey's denial only proves how much he tries to kill the server and not just accusing him or even him, what I want to say is that the server seemed to me to begin to die after he became in the position that is, leading the HR that were not active for Official Group and partnering with the Gvardia where there arose much revolt among the players who did not feel benefited like those who benefited from everything.
Please, just don't remove this post and PLEASE... be serious.
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I agree. It's not just scripts. Please make sure you guys go with the old rules and regulations.
Argonath was chill af. That's why we loved it. We want the simple script and chill Argo.