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Title: Tell me
Post by: Nathan on May 07, 2021, 04:45:53 pm

It's been a little over a year since COVID-19 changed the world and put everyone on lockdown.

I wanted to ask the community where you are from and what your experience has been?

Personally, I'm in the US and the US is definitely split into several camps with some being anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers and also those who are on the extreme other side who like living in a constant fear. My family and I ended up contracting COVID-19 in June 2020. It sucked. We ended up recovering but the linger effect of not being able to smell and have a hard time breathing did last longer than a month for us.

I unfortunately know of several people who have passed away due to complications with COVID. I think it's really real and pre-cautions should be made. But I also didn't like the way the government handled it.

Tell me about your experience.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Gregersen on May 07, 2021, 07:16:53 pm

Hello Nathan,
Sad to hear about your experience with coronavirus - happy to know that you have recovered and are doing well.

I live in Denmark, it's pretty much seperated into 3 groups..
The anti-mask/anti-vacine people
The neutral people
The afraid people

... I have only known four people, personally, who were infected with COVID, two of them with absolutely no effects (elderly couple), and two younger ones (20-30 y/o's) who both lost the possibility of tasting.

Personally, I am not afraid in any way - I see myself being neutral but respecting people who might be afraid, and I can also understand the people who are on the ANTI side. I don't know what to believe anylonger.
I'll jump onto your last sentence, our government has also handled it incorrectly.

It's there, no doubt.
What it is? No clue.
Will it ever go away? Doubt.
Must we adapt and live with COVID? Possibly, I believe we must.

Respect other people and their opinions, is my best advice. Do your business, but respect others. Stay safe.  :gand:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: JDC on May 07, 2021, 08:02:07 pm

COVID-19 is real and proven by sound science. The anti-maskers / anti-vaxxers are stupid for not only disregarding sound science and health practices, but because they truly believe their convenience and 'muh fReEdoM' is more important than the right of other people to not get sick and die from COVID-19. IMO anyone who encourages others to violate health protocols and freely infect others should be thrown in jail.

The government here in the Philippines (under the madman Duterte, incompetent puppet of the country that started this pandemic) has handled the pandemic VERY poorly, turning us into the epicentre of COVID in the ASEAN. It doesn't help that a lot of people here have decided to be forgetful idiots too. So by now, when going outside, I carry around an umbrella I use to push doors and elevator buttons, enforce social distancing, and whack idiots who refuse to follow safety guidelines. (I've already whacked / prodded a few!) I haven't caught the virus at any point due to extreme vigilance, and hope I never do, especially since I also know people who died from COVID.

It does not help that the government dropped a good Pfizer deal in favor of the more overpriced, much less effective vaccine Sinovac, produced by the same country that started the pandemic. I believe in vaccines, just not distributing shitty ones with a ~50% efficacy rate. So I'll be going out of my way to procure something like Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, or AstraZeneca - all of which are far better.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: danipoz on May 07, 2021, 08:07:36 pm

I live in Serbia and people are here seperated in 3 groups aswell. Anti-vacine people, The neutral ones that wear masks and follow some  of the guidelines and the people that are afraid and strictly follow guidelines but there are not a lot of them. Nobody in my family had covid but many of my coworkers, neigbours and some friends had it. One of my family friends died due to complications from his previous diseases that he had. The anti-vacine people are mostly againts the president and the party that he is in mostly because of some corruption, even tho the country has seen some development under him unlike previous presidents. Im neutral in the politics but i've seen some improvement. Mass vaccination is already present. The president is encouraging people to take the vaccine by giving away small amounts of money to people that get it. Also some bigger companies pay you to get the vaccine which leads the anti-vaccine people to enrage on social media because the president is 'buying' the people and risking their lives because of the vaccine which makes no sense.. They question how can Serbia a small country pay their people to get the vaccine but the more developed countries are not even mass vaccinating and how do we get so many vaccines but other countries dont have that many vaccines ( you can even choose which out of the 4 or 5 different vaccines you want). Anti-vaccine people just bring politics into this pandemic, this last sentence sums everything up. I am vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Rei on May 07, 2021, 08:30:31 pm

We here in Albania, none of us giving a damn or getting infected and suffering critical outcomes from Covid, so there's room in our mind to ask ourselves a question, the heck happen to IKHM, and why he's not a division leader anymore?

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 07, 2021, 09:04:13 pm

It's less than a week that everything is back to normal here in Greece, or at least close to normal, all of a sudden now that summer is almost here. What a coincidence, now most of the COVID cases are halved until September/October, which by then everyone's going to be infected once more.  :lol:

I'm one of those anti-maskers / anti-vaxxers and even though I believe in the existence of the virus, I don't believe in the drama that has been caused the last year worldwide. We had several other pandemics over the course of years most recently the H1N1 flu (which by the way was even more deadly), I cannot recall such shitstorm going on and basically the whole world being quarantined.

I've met plenty of people infected including a couple of elderly family members, nobody was nowhere near passing away and it was your 3-4 days flu that you usually have once or twice a year. Big deal. And no, I haven't known anyone passing away. Sadly it feels like we're not done yet and as much as I hate to admit it, this mess is going to drag longer.

I, by all means, am against the COVID vaccines. I do not want immunity to something I do not feel threatened from. I do not trust an emergency vaccine that was released in less than a year, while all of the other ones of similar kind took decades to be out there. I seriously am way more afraid of the side effects than the virus itself.

Anything involving politics, governments and media spreading fear all over, I choose not to trust and beg to differ.  You should do the same.

I hope you are all sharp and safe, been sometime I've dropped a bomb here on forums.  :lol:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on May 07, 2021, 10:37:04 pm

Unfortunately out here the majority take the whole situation as a big conspiracy of the government in order to drain resources. I suppose all the other countries suffering are only reporting that so some people in here can grab some quick cash from the EU  :lol:

Working in the Clinical Trial/Research sphere has put a lot of weights on my back, as this pandemic has shortened a majority of schedules and deadlines by half if not more. Thankfully the majority of results of the treatment/vaccines I've worked on have shown positive results and I hope they become available to the public as soon as possible.

Stay positive and test negative ya'll  :)

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Chase on May 07, 2021, 11:33:57 pm

It saddens me to the core that here in the US, we have become so politically divided that things as simple as wearing masks or not wearing masks have become politicized. So yeah, we're fucked and things are only going to get worse before they get better.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Khm on May 08, 2021, 01:02:13 am

People in Tunisia are just stupid and ignorant. The experience has been absolutely terrible and the government is not able to do anything. People here in Tunisia took it further than being divided to antivaxxers and antimaskers. They know there's a pandemic, they know that they can get killed by it but they refuse to do anything. If the government takes measures to reduce the high rates of infection (reached 40% of daily tests being positive at some point), people protest and do not abide by the measures. If the government does nothing, people shit on the government for not doing anything and being incapable. Barely anyone wears a mask when they are in public, even the police people even refuse to quarantine when they test positive. Shops, transportation, bazaars, bars, schools, universities, casinos are all as packed as before covid. Even football hasn't stopped. The factories that produce oxygen have reached their limits, hospitals are over capacity since long ago (they reached to the point where they have to choose who to put next in the ICU). Vaccination is also going at a very slow pace.
Last year the government imposed a 2-month lockdown and reached 0 cases for almost the whole summer, until they opened borders to TUNISIAN tourists that brought the virus back because they refused to quarantine for 2 weeks. (the government wasn't intending to open the borders until people started protesting since they "missed" their relatives in others countries and want to meet them again...).

As for me personally, a lot of my family members got infected and a lot of them died which took a toll on the whole family. This pandemic isn't ending any time soon as the virus is mutating faster than the vaccination rates, which will render these vaccines useless at some point..

Quote from: Rei on May 07, 2021, 08:30:31 pm

the heck happen to IKHM, and why he's not a division leader anymore?

I resigned as I do not have the luxury of time anymore, nothing bad happened.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 08, 2021, 10:28:25 am

Quote from: Chase on May 07, 2021, 11:33:57 pm

It saddens me to the core that here in the US, we have become so politically divided that things as simple as wearing masks or not wearing masks have become politicized. So yeah, we're fucked and things are only going to get worse before they get better.

It could have been simple if it was a personal choice of the people. Once you force everyone in wearing a crappy mask which most of the time is carrying the virus itself due to not being washed correctly or simply being used more than it should be, then yes, it is politicized (if that's even a word).

I've had a couple of arguments with grandpas in the streets lecturing me of how I am not supposed to take out my mask while I am having a quick snack. Guess what. Do not go out shopping random crap or just taking a walk during the so called lockdown if you are so afraid of being infected. Now that's pretty simple.

COVID being true and present is one thing, brainwashing the entire universe as if humanity is in danger is another. It's only a flu that 90 percent of the time you end up recovering. Why no politicians, government officials and media-related workers ALL across the globe have been extremely healthy and have constantly been 24/7 on our screens non-stop telling us what we can and cannot do? I guess being a corrupt prick and a scandalous bitch makes you immune after all.

I'm sick of hearing death cases being addressed as COVID being the cause. My uncle passed away after years of trouble with his heart condition and even though he he ended up having a successful open heart surgery three months ago, he had a heart attack and died 3 days after the surgery, so much for successful. Guess what was the official cause of death.. COVID.  :hah:

It's a Goura kind of scam. Or to give any doubters the benefit of the doubt; it has become a scam.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Aca on May 08, 2021, 10:59:46 am

Quote from: danipoz on May 07, 2021, 08:07:36 pm

I am vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

(https://st3.depositphotos.com/1472772/19543/i/600/depositphotos_195433940-stock-photo-puking-emoji-isolated-white-background.jpg)

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: badboy.dhia on May 08, 2021, 01:45:07 pm

The picture says it all.
Welcom to Tunisia  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/JbKM6GE.png)

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Khm on May 08, 2021, 02:57:44 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 08, 2021, 10:28:25 am

Quote from: Chase on May 07, 2021, 11:33:57 pm

It saddens me to the core that here in the US, we have become so politically divided that things as simple as wearing masks or not wearing masks have become politicized. So yeah, we're fucked and things are only going to get worse before they get better.

Why no politicians, government officials and media-related workers ALL across the globe have been extremely healthy and have constantly been 24/7 on our screens non-stop telling us what we can and cannot do? I guess being a corrupt prick and a scandalous bitch makes you immune after all.

To be real, a lot of them died across the globe. President of Tanzania died of COVID (this president said that the virus does not exist and did not take any measures to counter it, results are; he died at the age of 61 because of the virus and there's a new dangerous variant of COVID found in Tanzania), some members of parliaments died in Iran and an ex member died in Tunisia ( a lot of them got sick and recovered though). A known public personality in Egypt also died of COVID but to be honest you can't compare the rich with middle and lower classes, they'd pay anything to get the best treatment and they won't tell you obviously :rolleyes:. However COVID is that dangerous, the issue of it isn't the visible cold-like symptoms it's the amount of oxygen that it blocks from the whole body which is why people with other diseases die of it as their bodies already suffer from these sicknesses and are barely hanging to be literally choked to death part by part all over the body, some of my friends although young still have symptoms of low oxygenation in blood and are always tired (due to the low oxygen levels in their muscles).

Quote from: danipoz on May 07, 2021, 08:07:36 pm

I am vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Good for you, congratulations.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Thom on May 08, 2021, 06:25:04 pm

The problem with the whole modern world is unreliability. Not just corona, the whole world. Here in Greece our media are heavily biased to the guidelines of the government, I know like 10 people or more who had the corona and none of them died other than one who was in a bad state but is overweight with unhealthy lifestyle and mid 50's. However, I've heard 5-7(not by media from my social circle) cases of people dying after the vaccine, usually after the 2nd dose. Specifically, my gf's grandpa whose last general exams were 6 months before after the 2nd dose of Pfizer he was dizzy for 3 days and eventually passed out and now is in clinic with greater of possibility of passing away.

Unfortunately, the whole situation doesn't seem worth the lockdowns. Worth the safety yes, worth the attention yes. Media is heavily exaggerating, nobody who is official recognises the benefit of doubt in this situation who is sketchy to the very core. However, my biggest concern isn't the safety of the vaccine, or how dangerous corona is.. but the fact that a global crisis arises and people have no respected trustworthy source of learning the unbiased truth. Our media is compromised, our officials are biased, the internet is as chaotic as ever to be fully trusted and that's what makes anti-vaxxers. Here our lead scientist of the pandemic, said 2 months before the first lockdown that corona is normal flu and that if you look at the yearly statistics of deaths due to flu you'd be suprised that every year we have a "pandemic".. Now, neither globally and in greece too our health officials haven't published yearly deaths due to flu and in USA it's zero. So the flu suddendly dissappeared.. I feel sorry for people who won't think the situation through and are running to get blood clots in their body because they've been told so.

The whole situation is sketchy and my opinion is that you can't not be careful with the godly solution that suddendly comes from the skies to answer our prayers. So, vaccinated/netrual/anti-vaxxers I respect all those who sweat their minds and are in search for an unbiased truth, otherwise no matter which 3 of those you are, you are a sheep.

Cause obviously, truth differs from country to country because most of the EU countries suspended AstraZeneca but greece officials and media claim that there's no need for concern.. When the company itself advised to suspend vaccinations under their product until they investigate the issue.

Coronavirus or not, this world saddens me cause it gives power to those who are corrupted.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Pokedude on May 08, 2021, 06:55:31 pm

Glad to know you're all fine and doing well.

India is going through a nightmare right now. Due to the population, the virus evolved in ways worse than before. The new strains are all double mutated and very deadly. In comparison, the original strain deteriorated a victim's health in no less than a week however, the new strain only takes 3 days at max to take its toll. The mortality rate is rising. People are unable to get beds and oxygen tanks in hospitals. Hospitals getting greedy and charging excessive money for their services, for instance, a police officer was charged 10k rupees for a 4 KM ambulance ride. Ambulance rides are usually free in the country. People are committing suicide out of fear, depression. Mental health is on a downward spiral for many and most but nobody is paying any heed to it.

My advice: Be with your people and support each other mentally. Take things seriously, take your vaccinations, stay at home, wear a mask.
Be sure to take all necessary precautions so that you may not go through what our nation is suffering through right now.

Personal experience: My own father was on the brink of death. He barely escaped. Oxygen saturation dropped to 60%. He spent 14 days in the CCU.
However, he's doing fine right now, almost recovered. As of today, he has been shifted to an isolation ward and out of ICU.
If things go well, he'll be back home by Wednesday!


Be well. Take care of yourself and your people. Peace.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 08, 2021, 07:04:59 pm

Quote from: Thom on May 08, 2021, 06:25:04 pm

I've heard 5-7(not by media from my social circle) cases of people dying after the vaccine, usually after the 2nd dose.

I've also heard several mid 50 to 60 year olds from my real life circle having complications after being vaccinated, and even though they haven't lost their life yet they are in critical condition. Medical history has to be taken into account before vaccinating, that's for damn sure.

Sadly my own parents are all in for the vaccines due to them constantly being on a TV and soon plan to be vaccinated. That's plainly out of fear instead of true belief of them being immune after vaccinating themselves.. how stupid is that?

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Brian on May 08, 2021, 07:43:12 pm

Hi, I respect you all having your own opinion and believing the things you believe are right but please keep politics away from the community, share your own experiences and give your opinion but please do not reply to other people's opinions as if you know better or they are wrong.

If you wish to learn more, do your own research, look at what scientists have to say if you do not trust government or news sources or open a history book and look at how pandemics were handled in the past before we even understood them properly.

Thanks

As for me personally, I do not fear corona as I know I will most likely come out of it with mild symptoms, how ever I have several high-risk people I have regular contact with so I am cautious. Some family members have gotten their first vaccinations already. The Netherlands is slowly picking up their vaccination rate and they're expected to be able to offer everyone their first vaccine by early July I believe, but we'll have to see to believe.
I've also been lucky enough not to have known anyone close to me that have had corona, nor anyone that has had a severe reaction to the virus and I am hoping things stay that way.

To all of you that have had family members or friends with the virus, I hope they are all recovering well.
To those that have lost people close to them whether it was due to corona or other circumstances my condolences. I have recently lost my grandmother to circumstances outside of the pandemic and I was glad we are in a period where my mother was able to say her goodbyes.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Norrage on May 08, 2021, 07:50:06 pm

Tested positive on the 1st of January 2021, was quite ill (iller than a normal flue and the normal flue usually doesn’t make me ill) and still have a little short breath now.

As for pandemic in Netherlands: the less said the better

PS. everybody of course has their own choice on getting vaccinated or not, but if I was called tonight at 2AM, I would get it :)

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Lonewolf on May 08, 2021, 09:17:09 pm

I had covid in early september last year, together with many other family members. I was not going to get hospitalized if it was not for a panic attack caused by exhaustion and fear. My grandma (who has 78 years old) was suppose to go at the hospital, she had stomachaches and i spent the whole night staying next to her, in case she may feel ill. In the morning I went to sleep and was exhausted. My mother woke up grandma and told her that some guy from our village had stomachache a few months ago, went to hospital and now he is paralyzed and I've heard them and I think that's what triggered my panic attack. I was sent to hospital because of it, and there they had to test me before entering the hospital and the results came positive. I was panicked, that's all I had. A panic that made me lose my apetite and made me feel weak, I could barerly stand on a chair or eat. That happened for a few days of struggle and forced eating, after which I started eating more and more and drinking more water and resting. I didn't have fever as I've accused flu symptomes before I've been hospitalized and took some paracetamol. My grandma tested positive aswell and that's most likely why she had that stomachache.
The real struggle were the emtions I've experienced while being there especially since I had to look out for grandma too, luckily we were in the same hospital. She also felt ill one night and fell off when she got up from bed and hit her head, but she was alright after a few days.
In rest, no major symptoms...I had a lower oxygen level in blood, it never got under 90% which was pretty good, I was feeling exhausted after barerly doing any effort, dry nose, losing my smell, and I don't remember what else...oh yeah and stomachaches, but I have medical history regarding my stomach. After 12 days I went home and my grandma stayed one more week and came home aswell.

A few months after this two of my neighbours got covid (they were over 50 years old), one of them never went to a doctor for yearly checks atleast and had a lot of problems with his lungs, heart and who knows what, and covid was fatal for him. The father of this guy, which is the second neighbour, got covid aswell and while being transported on a stretcher he fell down, because the doctor didn't secure him correctly and damaged his...I am not sure what that area is called, I think hump?...anyway...and developed septicemia and died. He never found out his son died before him.

Because my parents couldn't let those neighbours struggle by themselves, they helped him while they were home and caught covid (they didn't catch it when me and my grandma had it). They isolated at home and away from me and grandma, but they kept moving around the house with masks. No big complications for them, except my dad who had fever and flu symptoms.

I was vaccinated with Pfizer, a few days ago and had no problems from it, except muscle pain in the vaccinated area. I want all this to end already, I've had enough. My parents don't think if getting vaccinated any time sooner, since they want to see if there are any other problems with the vaccines, and I couldn't wait after them and told them I'm doing it without them and here I am, fine, doing well. Next dose on 22nd.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Nathan on May 09, 2021, 04:00:11 am

Hey folks. Great responses so far. I read every single one and it’s pretty interesting hearing it from the point of view of people in different parts of the world!

Keep them coming!

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Kowalski. on May 09, 2021, 05:07:52 am

Here's one from Australia!

Here, the COVID-19 pandemic is almost non-existent in our day-to-day lives. Due to one case here in NSW, a few light restrictions (such as mandating masks on public transport) have been reinstated for a few days, but otherwise, there are very few restrictions here, simply because contact tracing is going really well whenever any cases do arise, and the pandemic is mostly under control here.

I go to school, I get out and about, hang with friends, do basically whatever I feel like doing, simply because it's safe to do so, and I don't have to worry about the virus. Not everyone seems to trust their government, and in some places that makes perfect sense, but here I have faith in the government especially considering the praise they've received for the way they've handled this pandemic so well ever since it began.

So for those of you telling me to come live in the EU, well... :)

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

 Ah, nice topic. Thanks Nathan.

Confusion. Hysteria. Resignation. Despair. And some hope.

I don't mean to sound dramatic but that is India right now. In order to understand this, you must understand India first.

India, which may be pretty much unlike what is shown in some documentaries and films, is a blend of multiple people, religions and cultures. Every aspect (religion, culture, views etc) is important. It's not all poor, backward and downtrodden (heard of the Ambanis, Premjis, Mittals and Tatas?). With such a blend, there is a governing system which has been in place for generations. It has been amended and revamped from time to time and although not perfect it works.

Some of you may have seen India in the news. There is a significant sense of despair and sadness and helplessness, with a lack of oxygen and beds and death all around. Ambulances ferry 15-20 dead bodies together in some extreme cases. Bodies are burnt in heaps, funerals are 24/7. But roughly 85-90% of the people recover thanks to the front line workers and the government effort and aid from our friends. That's a ray of hope.

Has the current government handled it perfectly? Much like how many of you have answered, my view is 'no'. But have they done a fair job given Indias population of 1.3 billion, with a vast percentage of them in villages with absolutely no proper health system in place? My answer leans to a 'Yes'. Mistakes have been made, politicians held stupid rallies and religious congregations were held too. But that is how India is. That part of India cannot change. Thus, given the circumstances,  although things are tough and there is a mighty second wave, on the whole, the government  has done a satisfactory job.

We have anti maskers but not too many. Some don't follow the rules but largely, people do. I believe in wearing the mask and being safe. I would take the vaccine when I get it too.

What is my personal experience? Well, my dad and wife had tested positive for covid back in November. Mum and I stayed with them and interacted freely, which was a rather seemingly absurd but sensible strategy (for reasons which I choose not to elaborate here). We wanted to get infected. Mum got infected, I didn't. They all came out of it without too much trouble. I am sure my wife and I were infected again in March this year. We went through that by staying put at home. Our baby showed no signs of infection during both times.

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Cutt3r

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: JDC on May 09, 2021, 06:55:29 am

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

I will have to agree with this. Our president over here (Philippines) is a known puppet of that country, who allowed tens of thousands of their nationals to flood the PH to flee the COVID-19 virus as it first spread throughout their country.

Not to mention that the communist dictatorship of that country also covered up COVID-19 in its early stages, and even disappeared doctors who tried to come forward with the truth and warn the world.

Would the pandemic be gone if we could undo the above actions of that country with a time machine? Nobody knows. But would its impact have been much less than it is now, and would everyone else have had more time to prepare? IMO, yes. That country, especially its government, has done a marvelous job of fucking us all around the world, with more than a million dead, many millions more infected, and counting. I hope they get their karma one day; the sooner, the better.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 06:18:43 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Not defending anyone but who knows where covid started. It may be actually from China but i think covid was spread all over the world well before China stepped up and said they have a deadly epidemic.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 07:11:36 pm

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 06:18:43 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Not defending anyone but who knows where covid started. It may be actually from China but i think covid was spread all over the world well before China stepped up and said they have a deadly epidemic.

The WHO website and the news bulletins I read. The WHO website say this:

COVID-19 is the disease caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2.  WHO first learned of this new virus on 31 December 2019, following a report of a cluster of cases of ‘viral pneumonia’ in Wuhan, People’s Republic of China

Considering it's transmission rate, if it started anywhere else, the world would have known as a cluster would would formed there before it happened in China.

I know this can be a topic in itself with endless debate. It's an informed view though.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 09:27:29 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 07:11:36 pm

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 06:18:43 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Not defending anyone but who knows where covid started. It may be actually from China but i think covid was spread all over the world well before China stepped up and said they have a deadly epidemic.

The WHO website and the news bulletins I read. The WHO website say this:

COVID-19 is the disease caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2.  WHO first learned of this new virus on 31 December 2019, following a report of a cluster of cases of ‘viral pneumonia’ in Wuhan, People’s Republic of China

Considering it's transmission rate, if it started anywhere else, the world would have known as a cluster would would formed there before it happened in China.

I know this can be a topic in itself with endless debate. It's an informed view though.

I don't like to point a finger at a country just because a pandemic started there. If it spread from bats to humans i just can't blame someone for that. Can't blame the Chinese people that eat bats and other kinds of animals that are disgusting to the rest of the world. That is normal for them because they are used to for centuries probably.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on May 09, 2021, 09:41:08 pm

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 09:27:29 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 07:11:36 pm

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 06:18:43 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Not defending anyone but who knows where covid started. It may be actually from China but i think covid was spread all over the world well before China stepped up and said they have a deadly epidemic.

The WHO website and the news bulletins I read. The WHO website say this:

COVID-19 is the disease caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2.  WHO first learned of this new virus on 31 December 2019, following a report of a cluster of cases of ‘viral pneumonia’ in Wuhan, People’s Republic of China

Considering it's transmission rate, if it started anywhere else, the world would have known as a cluster would would formed there before it happened in China.

I know this can be a topic in itself with endless debate. It's an informed view though.

I don't like to point a finger at a country just because a pandemic started there. If it spread from bats to humans i just can't blame someone for that. Can't blame the Chinese people that eat bats and other kinds of animals that are disgusting to the rest of the world. That is normal for them because they are used to for centuries probably.

Chinese wet markets are not normal in any criteria. Unhumane treatment of caged animals with zero accountability toward the safety of the food and people is NOT normal. COVID or not, those things have to go.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Stivi on May 10, 2021, 12:20:15 am

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 09:27:29 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 07:11:36 pm

Quote from: danipoz on May 09, 2021, 06:18:43 pm

Quote from: Cutt3r on May 09, 2021, 05:58:19 am

Lastly, I hope that the country which started this gets what they deserve. My views may sound extreme. It has ruined lives, economies and livelihoods and I do not buy anything made in that country anymore. It is terrorism of the highest order. And to think they make juxtapositions of pictures showing a fiery rocket being launched by them while india lights a funeral pyre for their dead. That is extreme insensitivity and I cannot pardon that. Rant over.

Not defending anyone but who knows where covid started. It may be actually from China but i think covid was spread all over the world well before China stepped up and said they have a deadly epidemic.

The WHO website and the news bulletins I read. The WHO website say this:

COVID-19 is the disease caused by a new coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2.  WHO first learned of this new virus on 31 December 2019, following a report of a cluster of cases of ‘viral pneumonia’ in Wuhan, People’s Republic of China

Considering it's transmission rate, if it started anywhere else, the world would have known as a cluster would would formed there before it happened in China.

I know this can be a topic in itself with endless debate. It's an informed view though.

I don't like to point a finger at a country just because a pandemic started there. If it spread from bats to humans i just can't blame someone for that. Can't blame the Chinese people that eat bats and other kinds of animals that are disgusting to the rest of the world. That is normal for them because they are used to for centuries probably.

Do you like to point a finger at a country for not informing the rest of the world?

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Kessu on May 10, 2021, 12:27:03 am

Quote from: Brian on May 08, 2021, 07:43:12 pm

Hi, I respect you all having your own opinion and believing the things you believe are right but please keep politics away from the community, share your own experiences and give your opinion but please do not reply to other people's opinions as if you know better or they are wrong.

This is not the place to get in to "who is at fault" discussion. Keep it strictly to your own experiences with the pandemic and respect other people's opinion even if you do not agree with it. We don't want to see this topic turning in to a useless argument.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Antonio. on May 10, 2021, 01:24:26 pm

Germany currently doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. They've been pushing for vaccines for over a year now but have not been able to provide a vaccine which everyone feels comfortable with. AstraZeneca first failed, everyone was scared about some side effects which people were having around Europe, now a majority of people chose it anyway. According to the government's plan everyone should have had their vaccine 6-8 months ago, currently only around 40 % of the population has received it. They're pushing for everyone to get it by June/July, if that actually happens - who knows.

The virus is a major topic in the parliament, it's being used as a political tool by the politicians to win popularity. There have only been rules upon rules to a point that nobody even understands anymore what they can and cannot do. There's no logic behind most of them. Wanna go out to your car past 10 PM to grab something? Here's a 150 Euro fine. Wanna work in an office with 100 people? No problem, as long as there are tests. :lol:

Some surveys say that about 30 % of the population is against any vaccine, the goverment is considering giving "privileges" to those who get it, i.e. being able to travel again.

Three groups broken down:
1. Anti-Vaccine people, as said about thirty percent supposedly
2. Neutral people, who follow the rules to a certain degree because they have to, most of them would only take the vaccine so they can go back their normal lives
3. And the people that shit their pants as soon as they hear Covid

I'm somewhere at the neutral point, where I just wanna get the vaccine because it's gonna be obligatory anyway. I have had friends and family members who had it, some were really sick, some had just some symptoms like losing taste or smell for a few weeks or months.

I've been able to work normally ever since it started, as have a lot of people. It's mainy the automobile industry that has suffered the most, where a lot of people lost their jobs. Economically Germany is still doing pretty good.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

I'm personally in the wait-and-see party right now - too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Norrage on May 10, 2021, 09:26:18 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

Yes, right away.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: KJ_deactivated on May 10, 2021, 09:27:18 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

yes.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Legolas on May 10, 2021, 10:13:50 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

Yes...already after first dose with AstraZeneca.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Afyea on May 10, 2021, 11:05:25 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

I'm personally in the wait-and-see party right now - too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

I did as soon as I had the chance (normal opportunity, not to wait in line for 6 hours). Personally I got Pfizer.
About situation in Latvia:
There's a lot of people who already have taken the jab, some who will soon and quite a bit of those who love conspiracy, under them there's a group of people who had enough with the restrictions and want to return back to normal life, but will not do a single thing to contribute(however they don't have a single argument against it or even decent amount of knowledge). Right now the vaccine is quite available for anyone who wants it. Recently some of the restrictions were lifted, but with the conspiracy theorists who help covid instead I can expect the scene to become worse.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Liam Jake on May 11, 2021, 02:18:35 am

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

Honestly, I think everyone should. It doesn't matter whether we trust it or not because at this point it really doesn't matter and we have no choice but to take it to get rid of this curse. Yes.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on May 11, 2021, 12:53:11 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

I would, I'm just waiting for approval of the vaccine I worked on so I'm not getting vaccinated without any effort from my end  :lol:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: JDC on May 11, 2021, 04:58:01 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

Provided the vaccine has sufficient data on its trials, possible side effects, etc. and has a high enough efficacy rate (e.g. Pfizer, Johnson, or AstraZeneca), I would get it immediately.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 11, 2021, 06:18:10 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

No for two reasons.

For one I don't want to get a vaccine for a virus I do not feel threatened from.

And two..

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Aca on May 11, 2021, 06:59:03 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

Never ever.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Andeey on May 12, 2021, 05:57:31 pm

Australia is back to normal thank lord  :cop:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Norrage on May 12, 2021, 07:56:07 pm

Quote from: Andeey on May 12, 2021, 05:57:31 pm

Australia is back to normal thank lord  :cop:

pls let me in

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Thom on May 12, 2021, 09:52:24 pm

In a world where economy is a cult and we've been given hell for a virus that you can hardly call pandemic.. public statistics on yearly deaths have vanished from many countries and if not vanished the reports of deaths from flu have become zero somehow.. like somehow with corona ,the regular flu disappeared.. so that people won't compare.

And being trapped in an untrustworthy situation is one thing, but trusting blindly the first life saving boat they throw at you is sheep-ish.. The vaccine hasn't stood the test of time, on regular times before corona doctors were too cautious with vaccines and advised me to wait 5 years after published to take a shot, at times they didn't need to be too cautious or not even cautious..
Freedom of speech is erased too, doctors losing their job for raising concerns against the vaccine is happening here..

It's not anti-vaxxing or being netrual to recognise the benefit of doubt, to people who are forced down and have eyes and see too many holes in their sayings and ruling. It's the 21st century, the presidents could go through the trouble to proove that the vaccine they've been recorded to take is indeed the same vaccine the others will get. But I forget, we have invented so much smart things and yet we live in the simplistic era.

I've seen doctors, that now are part of the official pandemic group being against masks for all people, later being 100% sure that masks are safe when the government wants to make masks obligatory everywhere. Another official pandemic doctor, said that coronavirus shouldn't scare us because much more people than we think die from the flu every year and if you put it down in numbers we have a "pandemic" every year. Only to later be like, fuck yeah lockdown, spray yourselves with bleach.

In short, so much biased, untrustworthy and inconclusive information that getting a shot in your body cause you "have to" shows that even if conspiracy is false and the whole story is innocent, you'd still be manipulated anytime soon you'd be faced again in a crisis with half-assed information and you'd want to just get over with it. Shows how weak the masses are, how voiceless we are, how we can't be arsed to change things even if we're potentially at the edge of controlling our lives.

^ And that for me is the biggest concern and sad truth more than coronavirus and the safety of the vaccine.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Kowalski. on May 13, 2021, 12:16:16 am

Quote from: Andeey on May 12, 2021, 05:57:31 pm

Australia is back to normal thank lord  :cop:

#straya :cowboy:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on May 13, 2021, 12:53:30 pm

Quote from: Andeey on May 12, 2021, 05:57:31 pm

Australia is back to normal thank lord  :cop:

So you lads are finally standing upwards?  :uhm:  :lol:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: KenAdams on May 13, 2021, 03:24:27 pm

Quote from: TheGreasyChopper on May 13, 2021, 12:53:30 pm

So you lads are finally standing upwards?  :uhm:  :lol:

LMFAO..

Well, on a serious note.. I'd love to get Vaccination as soon as possible.

About the situation here, I'm in a Hilly town in north India. And the situation is pretty fecked up in India. There has been a lack of Oxygen and medical supplies, thanks to fecking black marketing! And a special thanks to the Government, the dead bodies of Covid patients in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar states are being thrown in the River Ganga(which is called a Holy river :/ ). Me and my whole family contacted Covid 19 few days ago.. Although my home isolation is over, I've decided to stay inside the house, since the virus might still be inside my body.

One thing I realised during my Covid treatment: The Indian government doesn't gives a fuck about the people.. all they want is Politics. Recently, the people in one of the Vaccination Centres in Dehradun City (capital of Uttarakhand state, where I live) had to wait in the line for two hours.. know why? Because the Chief Minister of the State had to come for inauguration and politics.. "Are you fucking serious?!"

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Huntsman on May 14, 2021, 01:26:07 pm

I live in Lithuania.

I have quite a few friends who had COVID. Most had fever and other flu like symptoms, but nothing more severe or any long lasting effects. One of them, however, and a young, healthy guy, still has lingering shortness of breath to this day two months after he had recovered. Another friend still can't taste properly two months after too.

I do suspect I might have had it in December. I can't prove it however. I had this general weakness and tiredness, and I was constantly clearing my throat for like a week. No fever, no aches though, nothing. My taste and smell remained perfect. I had roommates at the time, I told them I feel funny so they should pay attention to how they feel. Both remained in perfect health. I didn't qualify to get tested at the time, as we had limited tests, so I just remained home for the time being and it just went away. The panic that I might have it though was really what took a toll on me.

I myself had the first Astra Zenecca shot on the beginning of April, and am getting to get another one on mid-June.

If you're wondering, vaccines do work. Just a few weeks ago me and my friends had a gathering, drinking beer and stuff. There were five of us. After a week one of them writes me, asking if I feel well. I say - better than ever. Then he tells me that every single person that was there fell ill with high fever and tested positive for COVID. I was the only vaccinated person there, and was the only one not to fall ill. Got tested nonetheless. Twice. Both tests negative.

Lithuania is now currently lifting certain lock down restrictions, restaurants and bars are allowed to open, only with outside tables though, and only till 21 oclock. We're gonna have a "possibility passport" soon that will allow people who had their first dose of vaccine or had antigens in their blood to go around freely.

The vaccination is going pretty fast here in comparison to the rest of Europe. Lithuanians seem to be more accepting of the Zenecca vaccine. Covid cases are declining, a laboratory in Vilnius has announced they might have found a drug to fight Covid. The government says that even if cases start surging again, lockdown will no longer be considered, as we can no longer go under these conditions, must return to normal life and just learn to live with the virus.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 05:37:14 pm

It still surprises me so damn much that a fair amount of young people around 20-30 are all in for vaccines and/or willingly vaccinated. I can understand getting the vaccine if you simply wish to return to your normal life in order not to lose your job or other examples of similar kind, but in all honesty, it's depressing to see grown up men going along with whatever thrown in their face. Doctors of the highest class are very much uncertain of what you guys are about to put or have put into your body and still unable to address the long term side effects of this vaccine.

Before this so hardly called pandemic, people wouldn't dare to be vaccinated with a shot that has only been released in such sort period of time, and rightfully so. Vaccinated or not; you'll have to wear a mask. Vaccinated or not; you can still be infected. Vaccinated or not; you can still spread the virus and in short words vaccinated or not, all precautions must still be made. These are all facts. From whatever angle you look at it, the whole thing is an insult to common sense.

I know we're not supposed to debate on what's wrong and what's right but god damn talk about brainwashing and frightening off people. First order crime.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 07:17:03 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 11, 2021, 06:18:10 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

No for two reasons.

For one I don't want to get a vaccine for a virus I do not feel threatened from.

And two..

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Let me jump right on this NO train.
Recent documents have been shared via social media (facebook), showing that deaths with covid19 is about 2500 in denmark since last year. Please be aware, _WITH_ covid19, not due to.

Deaths that has occured after being vaccinated is nothing less than 4500. Makes you think..

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 07:42:32 pm

Quote from: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 07:17:03 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 11, 2021, 06:18:10 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

No for two reasons.

For one I don't want to get a vaccine for a virus I do not feel threatened from.

And two..

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Let me jump right on this NO train.
Recent documents have been shared via social media (facebook), showing that deaths with covid19 is about 2500 in denmark since last year. Please be aware, _WITH_ covid19, not due to.

Deaths that has occured after being vaccinated is nothing less than 4500. Makes you think..

If I look into world death rate and overall death statistics I'd fail to see a real pandemic going on the last year but that's another 'makes you think' case..  :gand:

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 11:02:24 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 07:42:32 pm

If I look into world death rate and overall death statistics I'd fail to see a real pandemic going on the last year but that's another 'makes you think' case..  :gand:

Has your country also supplied with informations about deaths of vaccinated people?

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 15, 2021, 12:07:22 pm

Quote from: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 11:02:24 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 07:42:32 pm

If I look into world death rate and overall death statistics I'd fail to see a real pandemic going on the last year but that's another 'makes you think' case..  :gand:

Has your country also supplied with informations about deaths of vaccinated people?

I highly doubt that although I have been trying to avoid news recently, they are cancerous. I know for a fact that several mid 50 to 60 year olds from my real life circle had serious issues after being vaccinated due to the actual vaccine having a negative impact on their medical history.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Thom on May 16, 2021, 12:04:19 am

Quote from: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 07:42:32 pm

I know for a fact that several mid 50 to 60 year olds from my real life circle had serious issues after being vaccinated due to the actual vaccine having a negative impact on their medical history.

Can confirm.

There's no credibility in the world, it's sad. Our "Free" platforms of expressing opinion, the so-called social media are heavily biased and corrupted. Sit down with me, I'll tell you a story;
Two months ago, a 23yo boy riding a bike outside of the parliament was killed in an accident caused by the driver of the security team of an official of the parliament while taking an illegal turn to enter the parliament parking. Even though, the official's car was at fault, the 10 cops at the scene let it move on and go in the underground parking and they were pushing away witnesses at the same time threatening them.

Even though, this happened right outside the most popular and highly guarded place in Greece, there was a serious attempt to hide it and Facebook kept shutting down posts regarding the death of this boy.. As a result, this went viral on the 5th day.. For 4 days, facebook fought to remove it. And now I ask you, what Facebook -a business owner- has to do with the Greek Government? And if they have so close ties with a forgotten country imagine with the important ones. The same businessman with other two that muted the USA President while he was still in charge. 3 businessmen running the world.

My whole experience with covid other than health, is seeing the uppers of the world reassuring who has the last word. Cause, conspiracy may be crazy but man if they would feel like it those vaccines could be their way out to pay retirement to liabilities/old people or whatever. Doesn't matter if situation is innocent or not, it's clear through this situation that people will be whatever let's just get over with it. Cause we can neither get access to credible information nor the majority cares enough that their information is compromised. Worse than any virus.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Gimli on May 17, 2021, 12:29:49 am

Quote from: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 07:17:03 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 11, 2021, 06:18:10 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

No for two reasons.

For one I don't want to get a vaccine for a virus I do not feel threatened from.

And two..

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Let me jump right on this NO train.
Recent documents have been shared via social media (facebook), showing that deaths with covid19 is about 2500 in denmark since last year. Please be aware, _WITH_ covid19, not due to.

Deaths that has occured after being vaccinated is nothing less than 4500. Makes you think..

Completely the other way round in the UK. In January ~1000 people/day died from Covid. That number is now 8/day. [1]

I know tons of people who have already been vaccinated, ranging from friends in their 20s to elderly family members in their 80s and 90s, and they're all 100% OK. I don't know a single person who had serious side effects from the vaccine. A couple friends had mild side effects like headaches for a few days or skin rashes but that's it. 

[1] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Gimli on May 17, 2021, 01:12:34 am

Quote from: Gimli on May 17, 2021, 12:29:49 am

Quote from: Gregersen on May 14, 2021, 07:17:03 pm

Quote from: Sawyer on May 11, 2021, 06:18:10 pm

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

I wanted to ask in general - if you had a chance to get the vaccine, would you?

No for two reasons.

For one I don't want to get a vaccine for a virus I do not feel threatened from.

And two..

Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2021, 09:15:05 pm

too many unknowns and i don't want to be a beta tester on my body.

Let me jump right on this NO train.
Recent documents have been shared via social media (facebook), showing that deaths with covid19 is about 2500 in denmark since last year. Please be aware, _WITH_ covid19, not due to.

Deaths that has occured after being vaccinated is nothing less than 4500. Makes you think..

Completely the other way round in the UK. In January ~1000 people/day died from Covid. That number is now 8/day. [1]

I know tons of people who have already been vaccinated, ranging from friends in their 20s to elderly family members in their 80s and 90s, and they're all 100% OK. I don't know a single person who had serious side effects from the vaccine. A couple friends had mild side effects like headaches for a few days or skin rashes but that's it. 

Edit: Interesting - deaths in Denmark have actually had very minimal change according to the FT tracker [2]. Certainly not the case in most other countries though...

[1] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
[2] https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Dutchy on May 17, 2021, 07:35:47 pm

It's important to differentiate between blaming China and holding China accountible.
Yes, China's unsavory health codes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P-P4vrY1Oc) can be listed as the main cause, with some additional questions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svrj6Bw5K9A). But to hold China accountible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeEMsdYzm4) is a whole other beast.

Furthermore, it's important to differentiate between this:

Quote from: Sawyer on May 14, 2021, 05:37:14 pm

[...] Doctors of the highest class are very much uncertain of what you guys are about to put or have put into your body and still unable to address the long term side effects of this vaccine.

Before this so hardly called pandemic, people wouldn't dare to be vaccinated with a shot that has only been released in such sort period of time, and rightfully so. [...]

And this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield#Career).

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Sawyer on May 17, 2021, 08:43:08 pm

You surely have a thing for sharing links.  :D

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: Jcstodds on May 19, 2021, 04:59:43 pm

Here in Wales/ UK, indoor hospitality services (cafes, pubs, restaurants, hotels) have just been opened this week although I'm in no rush to head into close quarters with everyone piling in. They are going to be rammed full of people and service will probably be awful. I feel bad for the staff!

They are now inviting 36 years+ to have the vaccine. I don't fall into that age bracket, but I will certainly have one if it means I can go on holiday later this year. The drop in deaths and drop in pressure on hospitals is evidence enough of the success in the campaigning for masks and vaccines. Lots of complaints on how the government has handled it, which is pretty normal for literally anything the government does or doesn't do.

In terms of the vaccination itself - I am not a biochemist or medical practitioner so do not consider myself qualified to give an opinion on safety or side effects, and I haven't looked into the research data because frankly I won't understand it without a lot of effort. I would just be wary of anyone trying to push a story using provocative, anecdotal or emotional appeals, or political agendas. Unfortunately it is rife in journalism and social media and if any of you work in scientific research you will be painfully aware of how difficult it is to give the general public a reasonable understanding of the actual situation. 

I'm not aware of any large scale, major or permenant side effects caused by the biological mechanims of past vaccinations. My uneducated opinion is: your regular diet and lifestyle will impact your health far more than a single or double dose of a vaccine. If you are already healthy and well, the vaccine is unlikely to make you worse, but may make it less likely for you to transmit COVID. Similarly with wearing masks... it can be seen as a precaution and responsibility to protect others who are not so healthy or able to do so.

Title: Re: Tell me
Post by: TheRock on May 20, 2021, 11:32:21 pm

Yuuuucks.

Greece here, the company I work for, took immediate effect on it and I've been working remotely since March 2020. I've had quite a few close people sick over Covid, all of them had normal flu symptoms, except my best friend' parents who actually need oxygen. Other than that, I've got many people who had doses from Pfizer, AstraZeneca or Johnson. As well as many people who died by it. Pfizer had the worst next 48 hours according to everyone I know, rest just give you a small amount of after-effects for the next days, but nothing too serious. I still wonder how come I never got infected, might be lucky, might not. Who knows.