Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Aragorn on April 02, 2008, 11:41:26 am
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We are currently disappointed with the usage of script /changename...
1. First of all we are confused who are who, admins, regulars, new players...
2. Secondary we have a lot of requests to put the names back or to find out which name player used...
It takes a lot of time to check the logs on player and wastes the developers time...
We are discussing this problem in HQ... And probably we will remove this feature in future... Nicks do not make a good Roleplay... And changing names 20 times in a row is not a good tone...
Besides it, if you change your nick, you old nick can be taken by other players... And we do not support requests like "take my nick from that player! People think its me!"
As well the problem of multiple accounts money cheaters...
For those who will be unhappy and complaining "this is not rp then'... We have an MTA VC server without changing nicks... And people roleplay and know each other good... Nick is an option of player registration and not an option of roleplay...
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Thank you Aragorn! At last that action will be taken. It was about time.
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This means it will be difficult to be in Like _Solonik and a Clan at the same time if this is removed :\
Only 16 Characters allowed..Normally 4 for the Clan Tag, so we have 12 Characters to have our name and our Gang/Group in our name also..
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People are playing as [Rstar]Nick on any role they want... So I do not see problems with playing with tags...
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hmm..i just left GSF..so my name now is MasterNeo :D..i really wondet wat happen to other gang members that wanna left his gang/clan??=/
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Got 2 questions :)
1: When this happend as im gonna change to my name with the tag = [ALS]Omri
2: What about if you left your clan or something and need to remove the tag ?
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I find it good but the Problem is the Gang/Organisation Tag
i think a /changetag
comnand or so is a good idea
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What will happen about clan tags?
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What I think is good : The level 2+ admins will have a command such as /setname <id> <name> and if anyone changes wants to change his tag, he would be able to ask the admins :)
:ps: Aragorn, sorry for turning that in a idea topic and not in an announcement. :eek:
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Thats what i been always talking that names doesnt make you better roleplayer but how about clan tags for now? If Leader add you to clan you get tag as auto?
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Good idea, but with tags .... /settag [AV] , [WS] etc. ? :cool:
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Yeah i think it can be a great idea that:
( Level 2 admins can use /setname "id" "name" or /changename )
Or you can add a command for tags /settag "tag" :)
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i dont think its good idea beacause i cant use my another name then i explain u
i got 2 names
1)Daifery_Meneso-my cop name
2)Cochee_Tahmen-My Gangsta name
so i think u should script it a little better not remove it
scripting will say THIS LETTER HAS MORE THEN 16 LETTERS U CANT USE IT or something and if admin wants to change name he will just tell (( aloso who cares who u really are? its fun to RP with somebody who u dont know yet like maybe its a newbie ppls wont rp with them so its better to not know anything
why u need to know whos admin and who isnt anyway?
ALOSO one thing u guys didint think about is that: if u join/leave clan/group/gang u gotta PUT/Remove tags or if u marry u gotta put last name
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Humm. I feel "hit" by this as I do change my name, allot.
But I guess I'll just go back to my original name as "Abraham". Thanks for letting us know Aragorn.
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Perhaps to do /changename it will cost 3k or something.
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No , bad bad bad idea. Sorry but i dont support this idea , Because i am Both in [AV] and _Chechen and i need both names..
If /changename would be removed then we MUST remove the NO Mulitple accounts rule...
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Well like I said I think making it cost a great deal of money might solve the people who change name 20 times a day. So I think 3k will make sure no one will even think about doing it more then a couple times a week. Just like /delivercar which costs 3k, you don't see people making cars spawn somewhere else every day because it costs money.
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I do not support this idea at all.
If I am ever in a gang such as a mafia and then want to be a cop for a bit because none of my gang members are online, It is extremely non-rp for me to have a gang name but be playing as a cop.
In real life, many people can have multiple identities, I could go up to someone in the street right now and say "Hello my name is Tom Jones." Then walk up to another person and say "Hello my name is Brad Pitt.".
It is also fun to play as a "nobody" sometimes with a new name, basically because you want to play as another RP character and not have any stigma attached to your new character from your old character.
I am pretty sure I and a lot of other players will not play on Argonath anymore if we cannot use /changename for the reasons I have expressed above.
EDIT:
I also disagree with the fact that it should cost money to use /changename, so I now have to spend $3000 just to be a legitimate driver? So I am already down $3000 before I have even started to make any money being a driver?
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Im not supporting this idea too....
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what happens if your in a gang before u take it away and then leave afterwords e.g im ws if i leave ws after uve took it away im going to have that tag in my name forever.... totaly dont suport
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if im gonna roleplay hooker with name john_smith no1 is gonna want to have sex with me ;( well... thanks for letting us know early..
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I understand the reason to remove it, but some people will get in trouble. ( Like Vice/Hank )
But im ok with it because i only use 1 name for all RP :)
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I dont like it at all to remove /changename , i guess this function should be updated.
When the new script arrived, there were two commands /changename , and /changenick.
/changename changed your name and you had to reconnect with that name to stay it forever, or till next change.
/changenick was used to (imo) change your nickname in game, but when you reconnect
your name doesnt changed, so you have to use your "real nickname" after reconnect.
So everything stays on your name house, car, business.
Maybe bring this back.
By the way.. my old idea would solve this problem.. if the only problem is you dont know who is who and ownerships.
Player Profile in game :
Then remove the /changename command, but add a /setprofile [text] and /findprofile [id] .
With /setprofile you can set what are you rp-ing in that time. You can add there gang tag, or put information
about your role play character.
The /findprofile of course to check the players profile.
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Nick is a registration information and does not belong to the roleplay skins. I do not know who made it as a RPG rule that each skin must have its name but its against any norms and forms of registration... You register not a role but yourself... And you have no names in real life for each job you do neither passports for every job you do...
One registration one passport...
If you do not want tags - ask the clan leader who will remove your tags from your nick...
If you can play roles only with different nicks - check out servers that give such possibility... As for us - we are tired to check every name change cos you forgot it, typed incorrect, change 20 times in a row and have no idea what was the last... We cannot spend our time for checking logs which name you used...
Also we can do it other way... Once you forgot your nick - its your problem and do not ask administration to check out logs of 5 days ago which nick was the last you used...
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If you do not want tags - ask the clan leader who will remove your tags from your nick...
So clan leaders can add a tag to their members names?
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NOOOOOO :cry:
How can I RP like a female now? You just ruined my roleplay...and my main source of income... :(
Who wants to have sex with a girl named PiMP? only faggets...
This sucks...
Now I have to go back to begging. :(
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Yeah, I'm seriously not in support for this change...
I am in support for the last thing you mentioned Aragorn, about if you forget and **** up, that's your problem. That would work just fine, just don't take away the /changename command, because that creates far too much of a hassle on us about joining gangs, and the usual flow of people also leaving said associations.
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Yeah, I'm seriously not in support for this change...
I am in support for the last thing you mentioned Aragorn, about if you forget and **** up, that's your problem. That would work just fine, just don't take away the /changename command, because that creates far too much of a hassle on us about joining gangs, and the usual flow of people also leaving said associations.
Most of the players made that themselfs. People are abusing even a simple command such as /changename and look what it leaded to.
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Most of the players made that themselfs. People are abusing even a simple command such as /changename and look what it leaded to.
So far, all I've seen is people using /changename to experiment with different, job-oriented names, to further be able to effectively roleplay positions and occupations that they desire to play as during their time on the server. I see no one finding some sort of loophole, or fully "abusing" this command, and thus we cannot claim that people are "abusing" it, when no one's doing anything fully wrong with it, and are simply playing with different names.
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Nick is a registration information and does not belong to the roleplay skins. I do not know who made it as a RPG rule that each skin must have its name but its against any norms and forms of registration... You register not a role but yourself... And you have no names in real life for each job you do neither passports for every job you do...
You were the one who said that we shouldn't be limited to one role only. People cannot be mobsters and cops at the same time with the same name. A whore and a trusted business man cannot have the same name.
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Why all so complicated ideas of solving this problem?
Why not make /changename change your name when you reconnect to the server (like in 0.2.1). People won't be arsed with restarting their game every time changing "roleplay" nicknames. ;)
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Why all so complicated ideas of solving this problem?
Why not make /changename change your name when you reconnect to the server (like in 0.2.1). People won't be arsed with restarting their game every time changing "roleplay" nicknames. ;)
Agreed.
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I completely agree with the above posts except TL's and Aragorn's.
I like Aragorn's idea that if you forget your /changename, it's your fault, or maybe they have to ask an admin within 1 day of forgetting it so that admins don't have to trawl through many days of
I also like CM Daniel's idea, it will reduce the abuse of /changename if there is any...I've never seen any... :trust:
But please don't take it away, it will ruin so much RP.
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I do not support this, my cop name is Dave_Vinewood, and everyone knows me as that...I am not saying it is a rule, but what if u want to be a cop and a gangster, people will metagame and say "oh you such and such". I totally Disagree with this.
and my own opinion, there will be alot of problems if you donot announce when the name wil be removed. Other servers have the possobility to change your name? Why not Argonath? Is it special in a way? Is it different? Can players Not just do /admins? This feature was introduced a long time back and it was sucessul, people had more fun, but now...this just seems stupid, people are being more and more constricted to something. Argonath is an official server, and this feature along with the no multiple account rule can make it unpopular. And on the SA:MP forum, didn't it say that people had the abillity to change their name to an RP character? Well if it did, that will have to be removed then. Also, that might have ben one of the main attractions of Argonath, the ability to play more than one RP character with more than one nick.
And don't give me any of you "Don't like it? Leave" shit, cos it doesn't work on me.
EDIT: Here's an idea, why not make the a /changechar command or something, which changed your name, but when you leave or crash, you don't ned to change it, it just defualts back to your original registered name....and alot of ppl with RP character with /changename, they usually change their name back to their registered nick before they leave anyway.
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when is this going to happen?
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i hope it wont happen
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I think we should stay on the same nicks, coz when i am in game there is a mess with such changing and you dont know who is who, thats annoying.
I hope you will decide it faster.
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How about an /alias command,much like MTA:VC to see what other alias names a player/admin has?
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Yes Dave, there is such command, but since it got official we do have 100/100 players, and to do on everyone /alias, just imagine ;)
Also there can be one problem with not being able to change it: if a player has a long name, and after it he goes to any clan or groupe that requires tags, he will not be able to wear any tag, because there will be too many letters in the name..
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At first I disliked the /changename command, as it was very confusing with checking for multiple accounts and knowing who the players were.
The other reason is that players could not learn to roleplay without changing names. I don't want to change my name, but I roleplay different characters with different skins (like old times). People found it difficult to accept this so I sometimes had to use /changename, which is a pain, and I respect my clan a lot.
So, I support this a lot. It will help admins more, and hopefully open the eyes of other players that a different skin= different character.
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So when I do /changename [ALS]Roadkill because my current name is [ALSa]Roadkill I will have to have help transfering all of my invent?
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I don't like the idea of Aragorn, and i think 80% of the players of argonath will be against it, since nearly everyone plays a different person sometimes. Like a cop or Criminal. :neutral:
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/changename Alex_Patterson
Mesage to admins : Player [AV]Dave(0) Changed his name to Alex_Patterson
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/changename Alex_Patterson
Mesage to admins : Player [AV]Dave(0) Changed his name to Alex_Patterson
??
Yes, that would be nice.
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Yes Dave, that could be a solution, but if you come later you will not see that message.. so the problem will be the same again. And become all the messages what player changed to what name after you login since last time - that would be hell flood :)
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I personally do not want this command to be removed.
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Like i said, a majority of player switch back to their registered names before loggin out. Unless they use the name alot.
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uhm aragorn like u see PPLS dont want it removed beacause they have been used with it aloso i think u guys should make up next scripts:
for account problems if u type /changename and name will go ower 16 letter or contains wrong letters it will say next: UR name is over 16 letters or contains illegal characters
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/changename Alex_Patterson
Message to admins : Player [AV]Dave(0) Changed his name to Alex_Patterson
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I think this is a great idea, it will eliminate any abuse that happens with this command as there will be at least 1 admin online that sees this, and why is it annoying that you don't know who they are if they've changed their name? That is mainly the idea for most people that do it, they don't want the people that they usually hang around with to know who they are because they are playing as a different character.
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Announcement: Admin ADMIN(0) has changed his name John_Doe(0)
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Or just make it so you can only do 1 name change per 2 days. Or make it so you have to pay money to change your name. Then less people will change their name.
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Wait..
What if a "player" is joining a clan and he have to change his name?
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Exactly, want to make it like VC? The account name change thing - Re-register, have someone trustful transfer all ur cash, then rebuy your stuff?? C'mon we are alot more advanced than that.
Also, WHAT ABUSE??? How can you ABUSE a command that changes your name????
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YES! Afterall they remove it :]
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Announcement: Admin ADMIN(0) has changed his name John_Doe(0)
Admin(1) has joined the server.
Admin(1): Who is John_Doe???
-xcasio
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Admin(1) has joined the server.
Admin(1): Who is John_Doe???
-xcasio
But then other admins will know so they can tell you.
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In real life names can also be changed, so why would it be a bad RP then? In real life you can change your name at the city hall thing for an amount of money. Maybe also make it so people can request a name change in the city hall of LS, for an amount of money. That would be more realistic.
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In real life names can also be changed, so why would it be a bad RP then? In real life you can change your name at the city hall thing for an amount of money. Maybe also make it so people can request a name change in the city hall of LS, for an amount of money. That would be more realistic.
In real life you don't wear a tag with your name.
it would be akward to see a girl wearing a tag saying Dave (just as an example)
In real life you may meet girls that later you find to be guys.
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In real life you don't wear a tag with your name.
it would be akward to see a girl wearing a tag saying Dave (just as an example)
In real life you may meet girls that later you find to be guys.
Well, in real life you don't see someone's name either. And since this is a game, why not just have a tag in your name? Or like someone said before, make it so you can look at his description to see what gang he is in. Something like /alias but then for normal players.
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Well, in real life you don't see someone's name either. And since this is a game, why not just have a tag in your name? Or like someone said before, make it so you can look at his description to see what gang he is in. Something like /alias but then for normal players.
Cause sometimes, you don't want to be recognized, although I agree that admins should never use other names.
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Admin(1) has joined the server.
Admin(1): Who is John_Doe???
-xcasio
xcasio uhm i think u should know a command named /ALIAS aloso u dont need to know who the f*ck is that beacause of RP reasons!
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I agreed with Aragorn.That command should be removed,cause in RL u have only one name.Btw.I dont know any person who has two names or who want to change name.
Maybe admins with lvl4 or higher should have that command if someone want to change name but only in extreme situations
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brians many ppls have changed their name beacause some of reasons ALOSO! u cant RP id stealing anymore!
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xcasio uhm i think u should know a command named /ALIAS aloso u dont need to know who the f*ck is that beacause of RP reasons!
We DO want to fucking know who every admin is, talk for yourself.
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ok MARC tell me why u need to know ??
ALOSO THERE IS /ALIAS!
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ok MARC tell me why u need to know ??
ALOSO THERE IS /ALIAS!
*ALSO
it's ALSO :mad:
damm, why do you keep writing aloso???
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They need to know their admin team...duh..if an admin changes name, they need to know who it is....
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Is this topic about if admins want to know their team or the absurdity of removing the /changename command?
The only reason that I know most people use /changename is so they can RP as another individual. It might be okay for the people who always play as ARPD officers etc. But I can already name two ARPD officers/chiefs that use /changename so that they can play as another individual and not have themselves associated with the ARPD officer that they play as other times.
cause in RL u have only one name
And what are you talking about brains?? I explained earlier that I could walk up to a stranger in the street right now and tell them that I am anybody I want, it doesn't have to be my real name.
In real life you cannot just get someone's mobile number by typing a command, in real life you cannot just become a cop by running into the Police Station locker room and wanting to, in real life it doesn't cost $200 to go into a burger fast food shop.
Therefore, Argo is not RL it is RP, it is a game, if I want to play as another character, am I just meant to go to another server and leave all my friends behind? Do I have to try and sell myself as an honourable businessman after I have just shot up a load of cops and then crashed into a building and exploded my car?
I agree that maybe admins should have to keep the same name, you have signed up to a place of authority and so you should have to keep to it.
But I think it is completely absurd if all players can only play as one character all the time, it would be extremely boring for players that are in gangs, and their gang members are not online, if they wanted to be a driver or a cop, they would have no respect from other users.
Please wake up or 80% of your players are leaving.
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New skin= new character.
You shouldnt need another name to RP different character. I have 1 dedicated skin for my ALS work, and all others I can play other characters.
Edit: I think a compromise to let this work better would be to fix the /store skin commands so they save because errors reset them every 5 min.
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What about people who change clans/groups?
Sorry if this has been covered... but its almost midnight and i cba reading this all.
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What about people who change clans/groups?
Sorry if this has been covered... but its almost midnight and i cba reading this all.
Then read it so we don't have to repeat...
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Admin(1) has joined the server.
Admin(1): Who is John_Doe???
-xcasio
Admin Chat: Admin(1):Dude who is that?
Admin Chat: John_Doe(2): Admin 2
Admin Chat: Admin(1): Oh Ok.
Exactly, want to make it like VC? The account name change thing - Re-register, have someone trustful transfer all ur cash, then rebuy your stuff?? C'mon we are alot more advanced than that.
Also, WHAT ABUSE??? How can you ABUSE a command that changes your name????
Plus the factor of not being able to send far away - then the factor of ~70 other people on the server - sell your car - re-register to find some randoms bought yewr car.
Also: In the case of getting a leader to take tags away - what about in the case of gangs and clans without tag protection? or new people registering with a clan tag on and not being able to take it out?
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For those who will be unhappy and complaining "this is not rp then'... We have an MTA VC server without changing nicks... And people roleplay and know each other good... Nick is an option of player registration and not an option of roleplay...
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Go re-read my post and tell me how the hell what you quoted brings any answers
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Everybody's role play is different. Somebody says new skin, new rp character, another player says new skin, new clothes for his character.
As i know Argonath RPG's disciple is to let the players play whatever they want, and dont force them to anything.
With removing /changename you would force the players to use only 1 name to every rp character, however they
would use more. You tell, you dont have to give name to your rp character, but what if i they wana name them, you
force them to dont do it?
Lets find another sollution instead of remove this command.
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If someone does /changename, it won't record the alias of their previous name...
Thats why it is a big problem.
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1. Removing /changename will NOT force players to play one role... It can affect only on a bad roleplayers who have no idea what is registration on server and think they are cool roleplayers only if they can change nicks...
2. Admin leader should know admins on server to watch their work for your own goods... As players send complains on admins, and not all the time leaders are on line to know who changed which name...
3. From what I saw many players change their nicks to hide their actions...
4. Players who forget their nicks and cannot log in on their accounts are fair enough to ask administration to check out which nick they were using and get it back with all account stuff... But administration cannot anymore sit all days with logs and read which names players used... We are hardly handling the amount of banned persons as we should know exactly what was a reason and if admins were right...
5. I do not see any problems in using your nick on different roleplay... We were girls with carwashing at the Marina Beach (Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas)... We used rollers girls skins and washed the cars... No problems... None was thinking "oh its an old white hared magician on roller skates in a bikini - ew!"...
6. /alias command does not give the proper information about player, and Dave you should know it good... Besides it if an admin will work only through the /alias command he must ban you all who was changing nicks and guess why...
7. As soon as you change nick, your previous nick can be in use by others... Guess why... It means that if Aragorn will change nick to other one, and will come on server a player with nick "Aragorn" he can register that nick... And as admin I have no any rights to demand him to change the nick... Nick was free? Free... Then what is the problem?
8. Removing /changename will make community stable...
- If you registered on server - server will remember you as a registered nick (no any hiding behind other nicks)
- Admins will be known by all, not only by those who were informed by admin
Right now players even have no idea with whom they are playing...
9. We were thinking about possibility to change nick once in some time... But that will cause even more problems - too hard to find the nicks were used several days ago...
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At this moment there are 2 people begging me to remove a user that 'stole' their nick while they used another.
If I remove the account without doubt the people who made it will think someone hacked their account.
There are 2 people who made error in changename that I have to find back.
Some people were banned by an admin under a name that we have no idea who he is (and most other admins do neither).
Changename is blamed for losing money, houses, cars, businesses. I have no doubt that it is could also be abused by some who are clever enough to know how to get more than one.
The command changename was to provide an easy way for player to take clan tags or change his nick incidentally. It was never designed for the current use.
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But this still doesnt explain how we can use our Clan/Group/Gang tags if we leave or join..
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ok MARC tell me why u need to know ??
ALOSO THERE IS /ALIAS!
I don't like your language, watch it. I don't have to say to you why I need it and you don't have to tell me what commands I need to use.
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Yea but still how can we change Tags? Pming Every Main admin on the forums OMG Change my name to [TAG]Name .... 3 days later Hey do u remember me,im the [TAG]Name can u please change my tag to [TAG2]Name . ..
If you remove the command make another for Tags... or something like that
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Why would you change every week your tag?
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Thats why maybe level 2+ admins will have to set tags, so peopl won't bother only the main admins and devlopers :)
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This idea sucks,
Why?
because, i am a person, who changes RP Constantly,
Yeas, i know im one of the few people who ask u to fix my name [Only because of bugs]
but, i enjoy changing my name, as it gives me more "flavour" to choose from
for example,
I am in my Mafia RP name, Viktor_Zivkovic,
then, i change name, and go into a Citizen, Tony_Baker who is also a policeman [Officer_Baker]
IMO,
Worst Idea Ever.
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Thats why maybe level 2+ admins will have to set tags, so peopl won't bother only the main admins and devlopers :)
But the Leader of the Clan or whatever should how the power to add the tag because if a Newbie applies then asks a Admin to add the tag when he wasn't accepted yet it would be annoying for the Owner of the clan/group. But I dont agree on letting every leader of a group have /settag either..
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I dunno what the comotion is all about really... Maybe everyone should stop clan-hopping? :)
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I dunno what the comotion is all about really... Maybe everyone should stop clan-hopping? :)
Truedat... ( :lol: )
Although I do have to say, sometimes, skins aren't really a big enough give away of what type of person someone is role-playing.
I dunno, I'd be happy without it...
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I dunno what the comotion is all about really... Maybe everyone should stop clan-hopping? :)
Even if its every now and again without /changename its going to be a problem..
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ok
im with Ronnel and Ron... im sick of Admins Changing their nick for a "UC" accountthey drive round.. some times they shoot u With out reason.. and use /report... then u get warned for Reporting an ADMIN!!
we ARE NOT supposed to type /admins every god dam minute we are on!
So im with Ronnel and Ron...
my Vote... Every one change there nicks Back to Original Nicks... an idea from me is this
if a player joins a Clan... Say WS...
ONLY Shall a lvl 3 admin use /setnick hyper [WS]Hyper
Client: You have set Hypers Nick to [WS]Hyper Wit all Belongings
Client: Your Nick Has been Sucsessfully Changed to [WS]Hyper
Client: if this is wrong tpye /wrongnick
Just an idea
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The idea is worst for those who like to hide from others who they are...
Viktor_Zivkovic can be a policeman as well... I do not think all players, seeing a nick Viktor_Zivkovic will say - oh, this is a mafia...
I met only on SAMP such tradition as changing nicks constantly due to role you pick...
Once again - registration will be one for all... We do not allow multiple forum nicks for each topic you do, so we also probably will not allow multiple nicks using in game...
You all messed two things... Gaming and registration... If you use some site and register there several nicks it means one thing - or you evading bans from sites or you are hiding who you are... The same goes to game registration... This is my point as i do not see a problem to play the game with one stable nick...
I also do not support idea "let players change nicks but admins cannot change theirs"...
We want a stable community with stable players and people, not a hiding osamas that change their nicks 20 in a row...
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We want a stable community with stable players and people, not a hiding osamas that change their nicks 20 in a row...
:lol:...
Agree woth RON... I don't see any problems in having one NICK. Besides, ingame you can introduce yourself as your RP Name...
What if someone mixes up the role that a player currently plays with some other? Lets say, Player1 has two roleplay names - name1 and name2...
Player2 goes (local chat): Hey, name1!
Player1, while playing his 2nd identity (local chat): Sorry, I think you mixed me with someone else. + (out of character): I'm playing as name2 now
All who NEED other roleplay names set as their ingame nicks - you SUCK at roleplay! :devroll:
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well grz i think other way like that-if u jail somebody while u are cop another guy comes to WHINE beacause he was in ur damn GROUP and he will be gone there
other reasons u can RP only 1 guy with 1 character so /changename is good thing
ppls like it aloso maybe there can be some scripts like :
name is too long please take another name
and if player forgets name he will see a text U CHANGED UR NAME TO ******* when he logs in with old name
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Okay well I still think this is a good decision but how to do if someone join for example solonik? How can they change their Tag? /changetag or somethin? sorry i havent read all posts so this question may have been asked already
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other reasons u can RP only 1 guy with 1 character so /changename is good thing
I don't understand?
And /changename changes your ingame NICK that is displayed at the scoreboard... not your rp name.
I could introduce myself ingame as Mr. Nowak and play a character, while my nick is [AV]Grzesiek.
If i get bored of that, i can tell in /p that i am now RPing Mr. Kowalski. I change my character while my nick is constant - [AV]Grzesiek.
If i RP a Nowak/Kowalski and introduce myself as that to you, will you call me grz? If yes - you suck at RP.
ppls like it aloso maybe there can be some scripts like :
name is too long please take another name
and if player forgets name he will see a text U CHANGED UR NAME TO ******* when he logs in with old name
If you use one ingame NICK (not RP name - which you can use ingame anyways) - you won't get any trouble with changing nicks.
About clan tags, i see two options...
a. /changenick for lvl 2+ admins
b. change account in the script
c. removing the registration money (so everyone starts with 0$) and allow multiple accounts - MTA:VC style.
About the multiple accounts, maybe a /deleteaccount feature after changed nick and transfered money? Only for admins ofc.
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Can we be restricted to ONE alternative nick?
And yes i agree with Aragorns point about ppl with 20 diff RP characters...but it isn't fair on us that only use ONE alternative name for some fun ....
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I am very much against this for a number of reasons.
1. My RP Character ... C B Fasi.. is a police officer and as such he is true to that role even when off duty...
2. Any attempts by a player who plays a cop regulary to do a stakeout will fail the minute a target sees the name and thinks... that guy plays a cop a lot...
3. I also use 'alternate' names to watch other officers and cadets/freecops to ascertain there true nature... I know of a number that become raher good when certain officers names are nearby... The only way we will catch them as non admins is to observe while being discrete.
Maybe what we need is a Registration Name used for login purposes, date also recorded, alogn with password, this name cant change.
ALSO a InGameName, that can be changed as such now.. it will remember the last name used, this is what all see in game, BUT does not affect the login which means no issue about a name change as the one they change is not the one they use for login.
The could also be a field which if a player is found to be abusing the ability to change the game name, that if set it basically disables the change, coud be activated or deactivated by admins depending on complaints etc
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Exactly what i was getting at CBF :)
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I reed, and that 2 character thing made me to other idea. If u have 2 characters, u cant /changename, but /login1 <pw> and /login2 <pw>
Dno, but nvm :D
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Can we be restricted to ONE alternative nick?
And yes i agree with Aragorns point about ppl with 20 diff RP characters...but it isn't fair on us that only use ONE alternative name for some fun ....
One is enough, a male and a female, a gangsta and a cop.
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Good, finally I will not get confused.
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Allot of people said this before but whats gonna happen with the clan/gang/mafia tags and family names ??? :eek:
What you are actally saying is because some retards forgot there names all the gangs cant have there tags anymore because a name doesnt matter..... sorry to say it but this is totall bull I have 2 rp charracters one is a bum and the second one is a mafia boss how can I do that with the same name they should not do this this is just for the admins and not thinking about the players
And Aragorn the only reason why you think it doesnt matter what name you use is because you only play 1 charracter... this affect us all allot we like to have the real name above our head that we actually use I might be a bad RPer to think that but If my real name is Sama I cant call myself Rick can I
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I do notice, that pretty much all (apart from a couple) of the people going "Oh, great ideas" are in Clans. This command removal will kill gangs and Mafias.
The addition of a Crash-Gunsave function saved gangs from going altogether, and this will just fuck things up again. I know for a fact that this will rightly end a good deal of the success of gangs and Mafias, as they are forced to choose between cop, gang, whatever.
Aragorn, no matter how you paint it, people are not all angel roleplayers who go "Hey, whats your name?". They just read it blatantly off of your nametag, and that means I can't roleplay anyone else.
I bring to question, that big roleplay we did with Arca Araatus' Parole. The characters Arca, Sayaku, and Mau were all changename. That would have been retarded if you didn't even know which one Arca was, because he was wearing his normal name. They would be like "Hey, Panda." and no matter how much I told them they would be like "You're not Arca, you're Panda!".
I also really look forward to this:
Officer Johnny_Mafiamember megaphones: "Pull over, Mafia scum!".
That will just be crazy.
If you must have knowledge of everyone's namechange on the server, then have an admin message:
/changename Alex_Patterson
Message to admins : Player [AV]Dave(0) Changed his name to Alex_Patterson
Its not as if it would be spammy on admin chat, or anything - so I see no trouble in this precaution.
You could have '/changename Name'
"You have just changed name, DO NOT FORGET THIS NEW NAME!"
If they forget it, they can submit an email and wait so many days, that's their own fault.
I have a large amount of roleplay characters: Panda_Araatus, Oli_Araatus, Arca_Araatus, and Oli_Green. They each have a very different story, and no matter the fact they each have a unique skin, people will read off the nametag of a player and just go "Hey Panda". Again, no matter how many times I go "I'm not Panda, I'm goddamn Oli!" they won't call me Oli, or if they do they will be very confused.
This is a very bad move..
People like to roleplay gangs, Mafias, whatever else. Even if you are not in a tagged gang or Mafia, some people choose to have a copname and a civilian/criminal name. This would mean that Hank_Rafferty/Vice911 would have to choose. I can imagine:
"Hey guys, lets chase that criminal, Chief Rafferty!"
Wow, that sounds a little dumb to me..
There is no fathomable way that the bad things about the command outweigh the massive benefits to roleplay oppurtunities, not to mention ease of changing clan or gang tag.
Worst Idea Ever.
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Maybe what we need is a Registration Name used for login purposes, date also recorded, alogn with password, this name cant change.
ALSO a InGameName, that can be changed as such now.. it will remember the last name used, this is what all see in game, BUT does not affect the login which means no issue about a name change as the one they change is not the one they use for login.
The could also be a field which if a player is found to be abusing the ability to change the game name, that if set it basically disables the change, coud be activated or deactivated by admins depending on complaints etc
This is the best idea I have heard yet, a nickname and a login name.
Or maybe if you REALLY have to get rid of /changename, allow us to have maybe 3 nicks, such as:
Player1: /setnick 1 David_Badiel
*Your first nickname has been set to David_Badiel*
Player1: /setnick 2 Harry_Enfield
*Your second nickname has been set to David_Badiel*
Player1: /setnick 1 Phil_Jupitus
*Your second nickname has been set to Phil_Jupitus*
The login name will be the same, but your actual in-game nickname is set to the last one you logged out with and you could use:
Player1: /load nick1
*Your nickname has been changed to Phil_Jupitus
And no other players could use these nicknames that have been set:
Player2: /setnick 1 Phil_Jupitus
*Sorry but that nickname has already been set by another player*
Something like that maybe?
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You want me to start posting code in this topic on how this command can be improved???
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I like Poncho's idea.
Make it exactly the same as saving a skin though, and only in a house or hotel room:
/store name1 Panda_Araatus
/store name2 Arca_Araatus
/store name3 Oli_Green
/load name3
Your name is now Oli_Green!
Also..
You log into SA-MP using, say, "Panda":
You must login to play
/login pass
Congratulations, Panda! You are logged in. Your current nick is: Oli_Green.If I wanted to change that nick, I'd go to my house and load it. Exactly the same way as I'd load my skin.
Since each of my names has a different skin, I need to be at my house to changename anyway!
Also, this solves the problem of "Accidental Name stealers", as I could reserve other names such as "Panda" in my other slots. Any name in a slot, and nobody else can put it in theirs.
/store name1 Oli_Green
You cannot store this name, "Panda" already has!
In this way, peoples accountname would always remain a constant, meaning that an /alias command could list:
Accountname: Panda
Name Slot 1: Panda_Araatus
Name Slot 2: Arca_Araatus
Name Slot 3: Oli_Green
Name Slot 4: Oli_Araatus
Name Slot 5: PandaThis would make it very easy to recognize people for who they really are.
A different alias command could also be used to detect multi-account usage, also. Maybe /alias for the first and /acalias for the second.
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Make it exactly the same as saving a skin though, and only in a house or hotel room:
What about at City Hall? As in real-life people don#t change names in their house :) Although i do like the idea man
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What about at City Hall? As in real-life people don#t change names in their house :) Although i do like the idea man
I like this idea with my idea and Panda's idea.
You cant just remove something and say "deal with it or leave", you have to live up to your authoritative role and provide an alternative that cuts out most of the problems.
I believe we have presented enough here so far.
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The point is not in improving /changename command...
The point is in one registration on one player...
If you cannot roleplay with YOUR nick - you cannot roleplay at all...
You use nicks to change registration and not rp... People who are trying to change registration parameters are not roleplayers, but those who hide THEIR nick actions from others...
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Could you give us a hint when it's gonna be changed? Coz players are askgin me in game and I don't know what to say..
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That's very good news but as Legend said admins lvl 2+ or lvl 3+ or whatever level you want to make it can have /setname id name or we could have Commands for tags like /addtag [Tag] and /removetag .
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The point is not in improving /changename command...
The point is in one registration on one player...
If you cannot roleplay with YOUR nick - you cannot roleplay at all...
You use nicks to change registration and not rp... People who are trying to change registration parameters are not roleplayers, but those who hide THEIR nick actions from others...
I totally disagree: here are my reasons
- Gangs have members that change regularly, how will they deal with someone who left or got kicked from the gang?
- Changename gives you the opertunity to BE someone else thats the whole fun of RP if people all know its me they react different
- I am against the removing of commands for reasons as : it gets abused! thats what we have admins for ! to prevent abuse remove guns then also NO more DM
- If admins changing name is a problem just FORBID them dont make players a victim
- removing generally used commands costs members
- removing changename is seen as a bad idea by a lot of people
- most people do not change nic to change registration thats not possible admins have the /alias command
- so there will also not be 2nd admin accounts anymore ? how does this affect [R*} members (will Aragorn always be Aragorn or will he be [R*] RON all the time just an example)
- if someone does changename and loses name ask him what time he did changename and VOILA you dont have to check all logs
To conlclude I would really like to see the players opinions asked more in these big changes Its about the players not easy job for admins/devs I was once told by *someRON * uche is this now all gone ?
and finally Removal NO changing the command to prevent abuse YES
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The point is not in improving /changename command...
The point is in one registration on one player...
If you cannot roleplay with YOUR nick - you cannot roleplay at all...
You use nicks to change registration and not rp... People who are trying to change registration parameters are not roleplayers, but those who hide THEIR nick actions from others...
You haven't even spoken on the thing that half the people are asking. If for instance, someone joins the clan WILL THERE BE AN ADMIN COMMAND to change our tags? If not, then that's just complete crap. Also, it seems you don't care that more than half of the members don't want it to be removed? You still come back posting that you will change it. Then once you change it, you tell us to stop complaining about something we never liked in the first place. Have there been many complaints about people changing their name? I seriously doubt it, this is just something you want to do because its easier to remove the command and make your life better, than it is to fix it and make ours better.
[Please don't take this personally, it's just how I see it, based on past experiences]
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Clans will handle clan leaders... Gangs - gang leaders... About clan leaders options we do not talk here... But we are planning the whole clan control on server by clan leaders... Registration the clan, setting members, removing members...
If your gang members are changing every day - think about your leadership and recruitment problems...
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Have there been many complaints about people changing their name? I seriously doubt it, this is just something you want to do because its easier to remove the command and make your life better, than it is to fix it and make ours better.[Please don't take this personally, it's just how I see it, based on past experiences]
Yes one of the reasons I named clearly - developers are tired sit all days and read logs who changed which name:
- complains on player/admin who changed nicks (admins coordinators cannot trace the admin who changes nicks...
- requests to check out which name was in use as player cannot log in with his nick (forgot which nick he used the last)...
- complains on hacking players accounts (player just forgot his nick and thinks the account was hacked)
- complains on imposters, who accidentally or not took players nicks when the current player used /changename for other nick (old nick was registered by a new player)
And yes we have many complains about it...
The complains on imposters and hacking accounts or accounts "bugs" leaded us to check out a problem... And no, that is not a script problem, that is just a problem of memory of players who do not remember which nicks the used...
But anyways account problem has NOTHING to roleplay, it is a registration option... And we have to fix accounts and find the problems...
Fixing accounts is a developers work... But who said to you we should sit and fix it just because of a banal reason "Hey dudes I cannot roleplay as cop if my nick is Aragorn!"...
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I think the complains against removing /chanename are a bit more then the complains about people changing there nicks.... :neutral:
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Yes one of the reasons I named clearly - developers are tired sit all days and read logs who changed which name:
- complains on player/admin who changed nicks (admins coordinators cannot trace the admin who changes nicks...
- requests to check out which name was in use as player cannot log in with his nick (forgot which nick he used the last)...
- complains on hacking players accounts (player just forgot his nick and thinks the account was hacked)
- complains on imposters, who accidentally or not took players nicks when the current player used /changename for other nick (old nick was registered by a new player)
And yes we have many complains about it...
The complains on imposters and hacking accounts or accounts "bugs" leaded us to check out a problem... And no, that is not a script problem, that is just a problem of memory of players who do not remember which nicks the used...
But anyways account problem has NOTHING to roleplay, it is a registration option... And we have to fix accounts and find the problems...
Fixing accounts is a developers work... But who said to you we should sit and fix it just because of a banal reason "Hey dudes I cannot roleplay as cop if my nick is Aragorn!"...
I really dont like the reason ..so changename will be removed because people are to stupid to remember their name ? its a bit funny
Ill tell you like this : I rp a russian gangster now ..but maybe in a few months I would like to be an Italian or Japanese gangster . The charm of argonath is I could! I would changename from _Solonik to lets say _Salerno
now I am stuck with the name Solonik even if Solonik is no longer around (example this is not the case now )
Atleast there needs to be some way you can change name or tag
You are forgetting how much extra work you will have when people who are removed from gangs or clans for cheating or inactivety need to change name
now they can change the name themselves but without /changename YOU will have to remove the tags(change the name) also people who come on the server with a name like Cunt ..they will have to change name but cant so who will do it for them? or will those players who make such a joke never be able to play here again ?
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hmmm
Well
im Still with Ron And Ronnel BUT
Yea /clan _solinik:S Remove Prometheus
client : Prometh Please leave and remove your Tag now
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lol its Iggy but I was thinking if you cant changename I would use Prometheus again since that is my main name
But as reason its to much work now ..just imagine how much fun it will be to answer all the pms from new players
Dear Aragorn i have mada a typo while registering please change it for me
Dear Aragorn I am sick of the name poopie please change it
Dear Aragorn I Want to Rp a different character please
etc I can go on forever like i said before there was an other server who also had no /changename the forums were filled with these questions anadmins got sick of the PLZ i neeed changename
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What happens then, when a player with name 123123213 logs in, and gets warned: Change your name. And then, he thinks: How ima gonna do that?
There must be some way to change name, and the developers dont need to sit all day in logs :)
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lol its Iggy but I was thinking if you cant changename I would use Prometheus again since that is my main name
But as reason its to much work now ..just imagine how much fun it will be to answer all the pms from new players
Dear Aragorn i have mada a typo while registering please change it for me
Dear Aragorn I am sick of the name poopie please change it
Dear Aragorn I Want to Rp a different character please
etc I can go on forever like i said before there was an other server who also had no /changename the forums were filled with these questions anadmins got sick of the PLZ i neeed changename
Exactly, it will probably cause more problems to admins and devs if /changename is removed more than the problems that /changename presents now.
Also Aragorn, you are just disregarding what everyone here is saying! We are not saying we don't know how to RP under one nick, but we like to play without the stigma of one nick attached to another a gangster and a cop, a man and a woman etc.
Actually read what we have said rather than just churn out the same crappy reasons you have done all the way through this thread.
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Exactly, it will probably cause more problems to admins and devs if /changename is removed more than the problems that /changename presents now.
Also Aragorn, you are just disregarding what everyone here is saying! We are not saying we don't know how to RP under one nick, but we like to play without the stigma of one nick attached to another a gangster and a cop, a man and a woman etc.
Actually read what we have said rather than just churn out the same crappy reasons you have done all the way through this thread.
Has it not occurred to you, that, maybe... All the main devs. have discussed this thoroughly already?
And besides, the thread title is "/Changename Will be removed", not "Should we remove /changename" he didn't say that he would be listening to everyone's thoughts on the matter. (although it would seem he has done)
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You think developers must do whatever you want? No... We leading community and servers in a way WE want...
The reason is NOT in stupid players who forget their nicks... Do NOT turn my words...
And I am sick of this "WHOA changename will be disabled it SUCKS!"...
Check MTA VC server - none complains and none asks to change their nicks, and none disturbs and crying like you all...
Do NOT like the official registration on server - go on other servers... That is my last word...
I am sick of moaners and people who's roleplay is only in changing their nicks...
You do NOT want to listen to the real reasons?
Topic locked as I do not see any motivations to discuss further... Once again can roleplay only with stupid changenicks? Leave the server...
The changename command will be removed in new version... And your "motivations" that have no sense and have nothing to the official registration on servers lead me to agree with what we want (remove changename command)... As none of you even tried to check each player logs to find out who he was in original...
The original registration is the main for every internet community... Do not like official registrations - go there where you lose your face and name... Hide in 20 nicks in row, Argonath will stop this on its servers...
Topic sticked and locked till the new scripts version out (0.2.5)...