Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Groups & Families => Clans, Groups & Families => Groups and Families Archive => Topic started by: Aragorn on April 12, 2008, 08:29:22 am
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Solonik, Corleone, Chechen, Araatus
get official warning for starting a team deathmatch on SA:MP server.
If this gangs/mafias will not stop so called "gang wars", which were not going by any correct procedure and with breaking the rules (respawn/come/kill), they will be shut down... Mafias/gangs leaders will be banned from server... If they have admins rights - the admins rights will be removed...
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I thought it was GSF and Richman or is that another one?
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Have you issued them on their thread?
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Solonik, Corleone, Chechen, Araatus
get official warning for starting a team deathmatch on SA:MP server.
If this gangs/mafias will not stop so called "gang wars", which were not going by any correct procedure and with breaking the rules (respawn/come/kill), they will be shut down... Mafias/gangs leaders will be banned from server... If they have admins rights - the admins rights will be removed...
I don't think you know the whole story.. only fragments from one side.
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What the f**k is this all about? Starting team deathmatching? What kind of bullshit is this?
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what kinda sheit is this :S, once again this happens without even talking to the leader of the group once
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I'm afraid I do not even understand why this has been issued.
I would like to speak on MSN, with either Gandalf or RON.
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I can't understand why Gangwars are not allowed...... if they wanna do this... why they can't? To much rules who destroy the fun of gaming....
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I can't understand why Gangwars are not allowed...... if they wanna do this... why they can't? To much rules who destroy the fun of gaming....
Gangwars are called "DM". I think u can RP a war, that all opposite sides agree with it. I'm not a rule expert. :)
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I can't understand why Gangwars are not allowed...... if they wanna do this... why they can't? To much rules who destroy the fun of gaming....
There are reasons giant gangwars are not allowed, because although the actual event is theoretically sound, fighting will always continue later on - and people break rules such as respawn returning, carjacking, carkilling, etc. = basically the shit hits the fan.
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What about Stracci? latest today a stracci killed me...
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I think the reason of this is, because there are "stories" from each side, Aragorn has just warned all involved, because unfortunately there is no evidence, only fighting each other.
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If there are 'stories' from each side, then why has only one side been warned? :neutral:
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This is a RP game, we RPed a Mafia War. We didn't respawn and come back to fight.
1. All Cops comeback to kill us even if they died. :mad: They are breaking RP combat rules.
2. They fired the first shot. NOT US! :mad:
This server is so based around Police its actually unfunny. So they allowed to break rules and we have to abide every rule and we still get done in, well thats just stupid.
:ps: Tell ur cops to stop watching our HQ as well, its getting annoying.
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This is a RP game, we RPed a Mafia War. We didn't respawn and come back to fight.
1. All Cops comeback to kill us even if they died. :mad: They are breaking RP combat rules.
2. They fired the first shot. NOT US! :mad:
This server is so based around Police its actually unfunny. So they allowed to break rules and we have to abide every rule and we still get done in, well thats just stupid.
:ps: Tell ur cops to stop watching our HQ as well, its getting annoying.
Gang Wars are not allowed in this server. And cops are allowed to come back if they die, its not revenge killing. The cops dint broke any rule. The only ones who were revenge killing were the mafias, that after dying they were coming back again.
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That proves my point exactly, the server is based around the Cops needs.
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I dont really like this at all ..
Why are cops alowed to come back then ? and gangs not I think BOTH should be disalowed to do so
what I also dont liek is I wasnt contacted once NOT ONCE by main administration with a SINGLE complain
you cant just act like the leaders are to blame for this and say if this happens again they will be banned and rights will be removed ..Do you really think We have total controll over everyone ?
According to this logic you should also remove your own rights everytime an admin has to leave the team because he is unfit to be in it ...you cant hold leaders responsible for everything we are playing a game here not RL mafia
I also dont like how the warning isnt issued by admin who was online at the time the ALLEDGED Dm took place
Again no proof is given only accusations and threats are made but not ONCE has anyone taken the effort to contact me how Am i supposed to know its not right what happens when ALL parties involved in the fights were having a good time ?
anyway calling this a war is also not really accurate since a war involves two groups in a prolonged conflict ..
I am really disapointed in the way this is handeled :(
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dude, when your gang attacked mine, you allways respawned and came back when got killed
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meh.i think all of gang should be closed :P...kidding :D
i think Gangwar is not so good..
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dude, when your gang attacked mine, you allways respawned and came back when got killed
I don't know for sure about anyone else, but I can assure you no Araatus members ever respawn and come back to fight if they get killed, it is a strict rule that we enforce.
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dude, when your gang attacked mine, you allways respawned and came back when got killed
Nitrox I am sick of your innocent act. everyone knows you always DM and provoke people with insults but when someone alse is warned you come into the topic like you are a saint
You arent fooling anyone and just because NOW you are not the one wos in trouble doesnt mean ALL admins dont know how you run your gang
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I know araatus doesnt do that.. but was i talking araatus? i was talking solonik, its allways solonik who respawns..
- I know how to handle my group iggy, so stop blaming ME for that shit.. I'm not the one that got warned.. so you people stop acting innocent and stop :sig:
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Nitrox I am sick of your innocent act. everyone knows you always DM and provoke people with insults but when someone alse is warned you come into the topic like you are a saint
You arent fooling anyone and just because NOW you are not the one wos in trouble doesnt mean ALL admins dont know how you run your gang
I am sick of Your innocent act, too. Actually You are the one who DMs and provokes. Why we don't have the warn, and you do? Because we do not DM. If we shoot, we only selfdef cuz ur attacks (Maybe not yours, but someone elses). And remember , this is just a game.
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Am I the only one that thinks possibly the reason why so many feel that these accusations are one sided and missing a lot of information from the other, could be due to the same reason why Stracci aren't warned. Possibly he is a major factor in these warnings hence he got nothing.
Also another thing, Like Iggy said I wish the Group Leaders were informed DURING the supposed gang wars or contacted through PM or MSN.
and if this is due to Video's well I guess you have never heard of the Magic of Film Editing Hollywood gave us. where a person can be shown as a backstabber when in reality the person they are talking about is sitting right next to them. ( don't make me pull up an article about it please )
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I know its a game ..thats what i keep telling people Have you ever heard me complain unprovoced ? no you havent ..
I also dont come into topics like this one to as you both do to spread lies I dont DM i never respawn and come back to a fight and I also dont act like i am innocent when i am NOT
I am really surprised you even come with the whole respawning thing because you guys wrote the book on on that !
seeign you invade this topic just to make us look bad I can only assume you want to make this personal ..
I have NEVER broken any rule NOt once! I havent dmed I havent come back after death(which isnt even a rule its not listed anywhere)
and I have certainly not made a gangwar happen if i would you would still be licking your wounds
And this tiime i am serious so i will ask Gandalf if i can see the logs of the events this warning is based on
I am sick of always when i say something people like you guys just Turn it around and like a bunch of children say NO you did you did we didnt
Eveyone knows I am a kind and patient person always willing to even help people even those who hardly deserve it and i have never EVER not helped Stracci when i was asked to help as admin but you made me reach my limit.
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am i talking about you iggy? No, i'm talking about your group.. some people of your group wont do that.. but some people do that allways.. i wont call names
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am i talking about you iggy? No, i'm talking about your group.. some people of your group wont do that.. but some people do that allways.. i wont call names
thats the whole F ing problem how am i supposed to do something about it if i am never told about it? i cant be online 24/7 nor do i know what everyone does
IF someone knows one of my members are braking the rules I expect to hear it and i will deal with it (pm please)
Thats why I am angry Nobody told me anything and people always complain but refuse to give names ..Should i kick everyone then because People dont PM me to tell me whats happening ?
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if i would pm one of your guys i would be told: i dont care or; i dont take your advice
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err guys im a bit confused ive been watching this topic and i dont no what this is all about i heard a bit about a few conflicts but that is it
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I have NEVER broken any rule NOt once! I havent dmed I havent come back after death(which isnt even a rule its not listed anywhere)
That is called "revenge killing".....
I don't know for sure about anyone else, but I can assure you no Araatus members ever respawn and come back to fight if they get killed, it is a strict rule that we enforce.
Panda let me remind you, your own words :"For every cop that comes back, a civilian comes back"
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1. First of all this is an official WARNING... Based on numerous complains from players on huge clan wars that turned Argonath server into teamed deathmatch... As GSF and Richman were banned they will have their own talk to admins... Other groups, who were involved in it - were warned by me...
2. Secondary... The talk is NOT about respawn-come-kill... That is the last action which shows that the server is DM gameplay... And That is WHY we do not allow clan/gang wars, as you have NO any brakes and each member respawns, coming back and shoots, which makes this wars "non-endless"...
3. Clan/gang wars are NOT allowed, unless its not official game position with admins watching it and getting rid of respawners... The same as no point of wars... As Argonath RPG has no territories ownerships - you have NO points for gang wars...
4. About cops respawn-come-kill - havn't heard more silly argumentation along with the accusations in cops advantages... Police officer, which got killed, has all rights to START HUNTING criminal again... That does NOT suppose all cops whom you killed should stop hunting you...
5. The warning still has power...
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dude, when your gang attacked mine, you allways respawned and came back when got killed
I am sick of Your innocent act, too. Actually You are the one who DMs and provokes. Why we don't have the warn, and you do? Because we do not DM. If we shoot, we only selfdef cuz ur attacks (Maybe not yours, but someone elses). And remember , this is just a game.
Why the hell are u in this Topic? Nitrox we have left Stracci alone as this feud has been going on along time, we finished it. ITS OVER. :mad:
Freedom get stuffed, we know you respawn to get back into battles, also we have observed you logout when u die to save ur weapons. I know admins have warned u but u don't care, do you? I'm sorry but none of my Mafia members respawn to go and fight, we die, we leave. I could go on with alot of things which i have seen your members do but i'm not in the mood. (i don't feel like getting warned over "supposed" flaming like last time)
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I realy cant careless about this warning because I know this is all bullsheit and there has not been spoken with any of the groups but if you think you should do things this way then you just do that Aragorn cant care less it not the first time you do this without speaking to us once so it seems you dont care about what realy happend but just want to be the right guy.
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I would like to see more strict rules For gangs made up
what I mean by that is this it should be EXACTLY clear to police and gangs what they can and cant do and those rules should be posted on the forum as a reference for all
I have seen this happen a lot since I joined this server a year ago. Sometimes there are fights accusations are made, warnings issued and a few months/weeks later it starts all over again because nobody really knows when a fight is and isnt alowed ..I am specificly not calling it a war because there was no war. There were several incidents where we met amongst alied gangs , police showed up shots were exchanged ..these were isolated incidents. there was no planning or or intention behind it it just happened
So why not have a set of rules put together by the development team that will clear this issue once and for alll ..otherwise I am afraid in a few weeks we will be having the same discussion again, maybe the players involved will be different but unless the rules are in in writing and clear to all this problem will never be solved
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Is this a warning to gangs for deathmatching each other i.e. gang wars? Or defending themselves when they're wanted?
If it's the first i've never seen any of the above gangs deathmatching each other and i have screenshots of pictures taken during friendly gang events we've recently had.
If its the second I dont see how criminals defending themselves against police action is against the rules. Is it better RP that we all just drive straight to the police station when we get wanted? That wouldn't be much fun to play.
I dont understand where these allegations stem from and if everyone involved was warned why is everyone involved confused and denying any such gang wars? Surely this proves that the complaints came from a third party that was not warned and therefore only one side has been warned right? :trust:
I definately agree with Iggy here though, how are we supposed to know what to do without a clear set of rules about gangs. Its obvious that there will be massive gang roleplay in GTA and yet half the time we get called DMers.
I think one of the main problems is at the moment the gangs are more organised than the police, when a gang members are suspected they stick with each other for protection yet the police try and attack in ones or twos and so usually loose, leading them to be annoyed and make accusations about suspects coming back after dying, assuming they've been killed by now. If the cops organised their efforts and came in one group the suspects would be killed easily or surrender and the police wouldnt complain...
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If a cop dies from a battle I don't think they should be allowed to come back.. if a mafia can't then a cop can't. Corleone has never been in a gang war. Cops need to learn RP and to have a character like all us Mafia members have.. if we die we can't come back, and WE never do! Only gangs like GSF and BFG did that and look what it got them. Cops come back and its impossible to win! More rules should be known about this.
I have proof that Corleone, Solonik, Araatus, Chechen never dmed. I created videos of the events have happened a week ago.
The first involves Corleone Mafia wanting to kidnap a stracci, but the SAPD and FBI put the two stracci under protection. So Corleone Mafia calls allies to help kidnap so we can get information to expand our empires.
This one is where we have a meeting about the Stracci and other things, then FBI and SAPD and free cops come to where we are and start to harass us, and follow. Then we go to Araatus HQ and cops are there and then a big battle happens. Cops die and come back many many times so it was impossible to win, only when a server reset did the battle end.
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Hell, the videos you made show the exact opposite of what you're saying...
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Well you don't understand them.. I removed because people outside the mafia groups won't and cannot understand them. We never Dmed about one in fact its always the police who fires first and returns from the gave. Corleone or any other mafia members NEVER return like these street gangs.
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First of all Hell, you cut your videos, so people can not see the 'non-DM' ... The Corleone family is one of the first and best RP groups and people like YOU are ruining it's reputation. About Solonik and Aaratus, I dunno, I know all the guys in the familys as great RPers, I dunno why is that, but I think that if Aragorn took this action, it is based on something.
About Stracci - I was in Stracci mysels once .... Nitrox is provoking some stuff sometimes, but I dunno ...
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Guys... It's just a warning...
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First of all I cut all the boring stuff out... and I only show what I could see at the time.. I cant be at all places Legend. Plus I been on Argonath longer then you have. I was here when Corleone was here, I joined Corleone last year.. I am not a new player, the movies do not show DM they show entertainment I have created.. the events happening are because of the SAPD interfering with Mafia and constantly following.
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Guys... It's just a warning...
Its an unjust warning and thats the problem but the people who give the warnings see and hear what they want so nothing you can do about it I cant care less about the warning couse I know Solonik is RP good and we wil keep doing good rp :)
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One of the main problems this is happening its because if one mafia members get suspected and cops come, more and more mafia members and allies keep coming and protect members that were suspected while they were not by killing cops on sight. In 3 minutes you have 20 people shooting at you in one place for one suspect... And after they die, they keep coming back to fight. Thats why that battle's were not finishing, because mafia members that died were coming back. And that was pointless, as if one suspect in your mafia get wanted.. the whole alliance comes to the place and start shooting cops in sight when they were not wanted.
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Well I know when I die I don't return... I just go to Corleone HQ and sit there..
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One of the main problems this is happening its because if one mafia members get suspected and cops come, more and more mafia members and allies keep coming and protect members that were suspected while they were not by killing cops on sight. In 3 minutes you have 20 people shooting at you in one place for one suspect... And after they die, they keep coming back to fight. Thats why that battle's were not finishing, because mafia members that died were coming back. And that was pointless, as if one suspect in your mafia get wanted.. the whole alliance comes to the place and start shooting cops in sight when they were not wanted.
Sorry but you are making this up I think you ace confused because we did not come back to the shooting we whent away to get healed and then came back the people who died did not come back. I even said on TS tell you members that if they get killed not to come back because it unrp and they listened to that so please dont start making things up.
We also didnt call in any backup of friends or whatnot we where already together just having fun while the cops suspected and fired the first shot probebly a free cop but that doesnt matter. the fact is that that stuff wouldnt happen if you dont keep harrasing us
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Sama is correct, it is SAPD and FBI who follow all Mafia and keep harassing us and you are surpised when you bring along a free cop and he kills or suspect one of us that we don't respond by killing you annoying cops? I suggest you cops find something else to do.. and we never respawn and return to the battle because it is simply a waste of money and time to return to a battle like that... it is cops who return to battles when they die just to get cash, it is cops who earn cash when killing, not mafia. Killing and wars are simply not in the best interest of any mafia or gang as it wastes our time and money.
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Im making nothing up, im telling the truth. I saw people coming back, and yes, unwanted allies were coming to the place and shooting cops in sight. In almost every shooting there was people from the 4 mafias warned here.
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Man we were together having a meeting this is when cops came to bayside then we go to HQ to talk but what do you know SAPD and FBI are on our asses. That is why you see us together.. we are friends as well, if you want to provoke the DM cops then you should just stop please.
I suggest rules for the police as well.
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The bayside inccident is only one of a lot, most of them happened in the Araatus HQ,Chinatown in San Fierro and SFPD.
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Im making nothing up, im telling the truth. I saw people coming back, and yes, unwanted allies were coming to the place and shooting cops in sight. In almost every shooting there was people from the 4 mafias warned here.
You are making allot up and you just cant give in that you where wrong with things I'm gettin tired of this and the main admins never talk to us about this just place another warning without talking to us about anything. and about the 4 mafia's together we are all FRIENDS we hang out together we are on teamspeak just having plain fun and you keep following us everytime and I'm getting sick of it.
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That is because SAPD and FBI follow us to Araatus HQ.. then some cop shoots first.. we were only defending our very lives.
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The bayside inccident is only one of a lot, most of them happened in the Araatus HQ,Chinatown in San Fierro and SFPD.
If you dont want any problems then why do you keep following us and then go and cry with the admins if you get killed afther some of us gets suspected I dont get you do you even get yourself ????
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You want to clear up the rules for mafias and gangs???
1. NO GANG WARS...
You can make some gangs events, deals, roleplay allies and enemies, but you can NOT start a gangwar...
Simply cos you do NOT have any brakes to stop it and you are NOT honest in it... Once there is a fight - your are non-stopable... You will be dead, you will respawn and run back to "help"...
2. 70% of all gangwars provokes - flame and disrespect...
And Hell_Corleone - you are one of the most complained by people on argonath... And those are NOT the members of gangs you were against... Those are people who do not even belong to any gang...
3. Hell_Corleone - no, cops can and will start hunt criminals again and again... Do not go to the stupidest RP ways... The stupidest thing is to announce no fighting since you died...
As cops have their mission and after death they have to start the mission again and again - it can NOT be compared with the way of gangsters (Respawn-Come-Kill)... As a gang war for gangsters - ONE mission and MUSt have its beginning and END... This END you all perfectly ignoring... And making gangwars growing and tuning the whole server in team deathmatch...
If you wanna team deathmatch - Parallel Universe Team Deathmatch server... Go there, make clans and fight each other till becoming blue...
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You want to clear up the rules for mafias and gangs???
1. NO GANG WARS...
You can make some gangs events, deals, roleplay allies and enemies, but you can NOT start a gangwar...
Simply cos you do NOT have any brakes to stop it and you are NOT honest in it... Once there is a fight - your are non-stopable... You will be dead, you will respawn and run back to "help"...
There has been no gang war what so ever so If that is why we are warned I dont get it there has been no gangwar with no gang or mafia or clan or group or what not not even with the ARPD FBI there have just been incidents nothing planed. and if we are in a fight we dont return to the battle I swear to dear buddah in nirvana.
2. 70% of all gangwars provokes - flame and disrespect...
And Hell_Corleone - you are one of the most complained by people on argonath... And those are NOT the members of gangs you were against... Those are people who do not even belong to any gang...
We dont flame ingame (talking for Solonik wright now) I kicked about 3 people from my group for flaming and racism so I dont flame I dont like flamers etc
3. Hell_Corleone - no, cops can and will start hunt criminals again and again... Do not go to the stupidest RP ways... The stupidest thing is to announce no fighting since you died...
As cops have their mission and after death they have to start the mission again and again - it can NOT be compared with the way of gangsters (Respawn-Come-Kill)... As a gang war for gangsters - ONE mission and MUSt have its beginning and END... This END you all perfectly ignoring... And making gangwars growing and tuning the whole server in team deathmatch...
If you wanna team deathmatch - Parallel Universe Team Deathmatch server... Go there, make clans and fight each other till becoming blue...
That is true but if they get killed while coming back they shouldnt complaint because then you should just not come back. we had the fights to an end but more cops kept coming we cant controll that only the ARPD can. and we dont want to dm and we also dont dm we are being attacked and then you defend yourself
So please do excactly tell us what we did wrong because I dont know
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I didn't know I was one of the most complained about, but ok you said
''And those are NOT the members of gangs you were against... Those are people who do not even belong to any gang...''
I don't not understand this.
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I didn't know I was one of the most complained about, but ok you said
''And those are NOT the members of gangs you were against... Those are people who do not even belong to any gang...''
I don't not understand this.
He means that people who are not picking sideare complaining on you and I would like to ad to that correct me if I'm wrong but most of this wouldnt have happened if you didnt put so much words in our mouths in your movies and changed that so it looks like we are making full scale attacks and planning everything and also calling those movies argonath wars wich they where not they where attempts to kidnap some people who where protected by cops. If we did get this warning due to some things that are in your movies wich I would'nt be suprised of I'll be quite pissed off just please dont but any bullcrap into movies anymore cause it also give the other groups a bad name.
*Sama is waiting for an awnser from Aragorn*
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They are movies for entertainment.. if people can't see this then I can't help you. Its the same if I were to do a montage of Counter Strike and put words of subtitles in people's mouths.
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Aragorn, and to all of the others in this thread, if I can be a voice of reason among any of this, just please lend my your vision for one moment, and let me explain what's been going on from my point of view.
Every day, I log on after school, and join Luke and Tice (Hell is generally there too), to have fun and play around. For the past week, we've been constantly followed by the FBI, for no apparent reason. They've come onto the land of CM HQ, which by law is private property, and therefore no one outside of actual members is allowed on. However, we (not counting Hell, as his trigger finger never seems to leave his freaking gun) simply run up to whomever came up to the land, and polite ask the sir or madam to leave the area, as it is private property.
Now, when the FBI, mostly including Fernando Rivera, began to repeatedly show up on our land, and began sending civilian spies constantly to frame us, we did get agitated, and once cornered Fernando by a tree, telling him that if he does not stop coming onto our property, we will take legal action (another moment where Hell's trigger finger came forth before his own mouth).
Aragorn, as much as I respect you and what you've built with Argonath RPG, you are being far too one-sided in this arguement. There are several times where we have been framed, or where mistakes have been made. Free cops would show up, fire a shot, and thus we'd fire back to defend ourselves, thus resulting in the FBI or SAPD officers getting involved. We have never meant for things to turn into what you're describing as a "Gang War".
Some of us aren't as innocent as others, I will admit that. One Corleone member in particular has gotten on more than just my nerves by firing at FBI or SAPD officers for no God **** reason other than the fact of what they've pulled in the past, but not all of what you're being told is true, and thus we're being put through this argument and situation just because some people think they saw this or that, and some people don't like the mafias.
Araatus, Chechen, Corleone, and Solonik are good friends. We do not start gang wars. We do not promote violence. We defend ourselves when we need to, but otherwise try to avoid the trouble. Now, I realize I cannot speak for the other three groups entirely on this, but as per Corleone, we are one of the most law abiding groups on this server, and it's a shame that we're being targeted by slander and other forms of propoganda thanks to the FBI.
If you want to avoid the violence, you should seriously investigate the FBI themselves. As stated by several online members just the other day, the only reason we have incidents like the ones we've had previously, is because the FBI has been showing up, following us, suspecting us when we do one little thing outside of the law, and then a ***-load of free-cops show up and decide to blow things up in a flamed situation, therefore bringing on what can be therefore described as a war by eyewitnesses.
This does piss me off, because people are taking it upon themselves to frame us, and are quite frankly absolutely RUINING the very back-bone of this server. What will this be if all four of our groups get disbanded and leaders banned? Do you even realize how lame this would become? There would be NO ROLEPLAY AT ALL. You would just have small-time criminals running amok on the streets, firing at cops, who would fire back to make a cheap buck.
Without the Mafias, what else is there on the server? Be a good little innocent, peace loving citizen, with no fun ever arising? The FBI would have nothing to investigate. The free cop sitaution would get even worse. The server itself would die and collapse, melting where it stands into a heap of nothing more than low-class, partial-credit apparitions of the society that once was the State of Argonath.
My message: I understand that this is only a warning, but people are taking this damn well out of context, and thus are going to ruin the best server in SAMP because of it. If you find it upon yourselves to believe everything you've been told, by one side of the investigation, then go ahead, and crucify me amongst my peers and friends - the only reasons I even play SAMP. They are my brothers without homes, they are my people with a society, and therefore shutting us down, blows everything off.
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Yeah I see what you are saying Rebel and good post, but I take out my shotgun because its part of my RP character. You come to Corleone HQ and start shit with us I will take out a shotgun and show you not to mess with us.. but mostly I do it only to scare them.. I don't shoot and I say words to get people to leave too.
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There is just one way to solve this problem
DOCTER PHILLY !
(http://www.radiovisie.eu/main/images/site/DrPhil(207).jpg)
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The movies called Argonath Wars are not related to this at all, they are scripted and acted unlike of War of Mafia series which is just footage I took with Fraps and on the 2nd one I added some subtitles because I thought it was a good idea.
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Let me be specific.
1. Gang wars are NOT allowed on Argonath RPG server.
That is a change from prior rules, as they were not clear enough.
If you feel you want to have a gang fight, you can go over to one of the Parallel Univers DM servers with all groups and kill each other as much as you want there.
Just do not bring the killing spree back here.
2. Cops are the only ones who can get away with killing, although they are also under rules.
Cops can only kill suspects if they resist arrest, or if they are shooting at innocents.
3. What is the purpose of a mafia ?
The main purpose of a mafia group is NOT to get caught in crimes. A mass-shootout is not a way to stay unnoticed, that is why a real mafia group or gang will not do this.
If anything, they will settle it in a silent ut efficient way, out of sight of the law.
4. Can we not play a badass gang and have a narea where cops do not dare to go ?
At your own risk. If you want to scare away the cops do it in a manner that the admins do not see it as deathmatch.
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Let me be specific.
1. Gang wars are NOT allowed on Argonath RPG server.
That is a change from prior rules, as they were not clear enough.
If you feel you want to have a gang fight, you can go over to one of the Parallel Univers DM servers with all groups and kill each other as much as you want there.
Just do not bring the killing spree back here.
2. Cops are the only ones who can get away with killing, although they are also under rules.
Cops can only kill suspects if they resist arrest, or if they are shooting at innocents.
3. What is the purpose of a mafia ?
The main purpose of a mafia group is NOT to get caught in crimes. A mass-shootout is not a way to stay unnoticed, that is why a real mafia group or gang will not do this.
If anything, they will settle it in a silent ut efficient way, out of sight of the law.
4. Can we not play a badass gang and have a narea where cops do not dare to go ?
At your own risk. If you want to scare away the cops do it in a manner that the admins do not see it as deathmatch.
I agree with Gandalf. Mafia should not get into these situations at all. We should be hidden at all times if it is possible.
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How can you even excpect us to stay out of sight if the cops are following us 24-7
Ans is anyone going to tell me what atleast Solonik did wrong because we did not do any gangwars what so ever
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The whole FBI Vs. Gangs thing has gotten WAY out of hand. It has even resulted in OOC flaming and such. The following, the raids, the flames from both sides...getting really old. I shouldn't be one to preach though because I am at fault as much as anyone for one thing or another. Either way, it needs to stop transitioning from RP to OOC.
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How can you even excpect us to stay out of sight if the cops are following us 24-7
Ans is anyone going to tell me what atleast Solonik did wrong because we did not do any gangwars what so ever
From the MTA:DM DEATHMATCH SERVER:
Player1 : I am being followed can you make a diversion ?
Player2 : Ok I am on it.
We saw some amazing RP today without scripts, without resources and on a server where people are free to kill each other.
Now why is that not possible on SA:MP ?
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I got to pull out the blame it on the drugs card on this one. If it weren't for drugs, most of this wouldn't be happening.
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From the MTA:DM DEATHMATCH SERVER:
Player1 : I am being followed can you make a diversion ?
Player2 : Ok I am on it.
We saw some amazing RP today without scripts, without resources and on a server where people are free to kill each other.
Now why is that not possible on SA:MP ?
because the FBI people use /area if we shake them off they check out area and come back I would love to see that command removed because its verry verry unrp
There is no point running because the cops eather check for a wanted person on the radar or do /area on you
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I'd like to state that just 3 minutes ago we had 5 cops on Chechen Property, they were harrasing us, they were taunting us. They wanted to make us fight them.
Can i say to any ARPD/SAPD who read this thread that by no means should any cop come on our land, and start insulting us. MAKE IT CLEAR TO ALL UR COPS (freecops and ARPD/FBI). They are not allowed on our land.
:ps: I will be making a topic in SA-MP Courts stating no one but members or invited people can come on our land. I advise all Mafia's to do this as well.
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I agree /area should be removed to common players in next release and only admins doing admin work should be able to use the command, because FBI and SAPD or free cops and sometimes I use /area to find people but it is very non RP like Sama said.
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And I still didnt hear what Solonik actual did wrong please give me an awnser...
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I agree /area should be removed to common players in next release and only admins doing admin work should be able to use the command, because FBI and SAPD or free cops and sometimes I use /area to find people but it is very non RP like Sama said.
Well, you people all use /area to for example find me to kill me and use reporting for selfdefending, just like happend after CM daniels party at jizzys.
Please, your now all acting so innocent. but your... not :idea:
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Mr. Nitrox I wasn't present at Daniel's birth day party so I have no clue what you are talking about and yes I do admit that almost every mafia or SAPD or FBI uses /area I think it should be removed so its harder to find the people you are looking for. In RL you can't be god and do /area to find people can you?
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And I still didnt hear what Solonik actual did wrong please give me an awnser...
What solonik did; deathmatching and respawning all time.. for example the stracci familly.. as i heard also from ramke - when i was away 7 days - he got shot all time - a reason to leave, because he was sick off all of your deathmatching, also with gimax..
You people deserve this warning.. and you should try and not do it again..
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Was i talking you? no i was talking all the four groups getting warned here.. Including ALS roadkill
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What solonik did; deathmatching and respawning all time.. for example the stracci familly.. as i heard also from ramke - when i was away 7 days - he got shot all time - a reason to leave, because he was sick off all of your deathmatching, also with gimax..
You people deserve this warning.. and you should try and not do it again..
Verry sorry to say but that was not us ;) We didnt even attack you guys when we where standing infront of you while you where flaming us mad so please dont go and say.
"You people deserve this warning.. and you should try and not do it again.."
because if anyone deserves a ban or warning for dming ruining events carkilling etc its stracci and most of all its you
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Nitrox get off this topic for christ sake, u making it worst for urself as i'm getting annoyed with u constantly acting innocent. Now just don't comment, i think everyone on this topic isn't very friendly with u anyway atm. SO JUST LEAVE IT :mad:
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Well, you people all use /area to for example find me to kill me and use reporting for selfdefending, just like happend after CM daniels party at jizzys.
Please, your now all acting so innocent. but your... not :idea:
NitrOx, just knock it off, you're not fooling anyone with your "Oh, DM DM" crying.
Was i talking you? no i was talking all the four groups getting warned here.. Including ALS roadkill
Roadkill isn't even in one of the four groups, that has nothing to do with anything.
NitrOx, you have nothing to do with this thread. I know you see an oppurtunity for your innocent act, but it isn't going to work. This thread does not concern you, so please refrain from posting.
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ALSa Roadkill was involved in one incident, he isn't a Dmer at all. Just because he was helping us in the capture of a Stracci doesnt mean he DM.
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in fact - it does concern me- Your the ones who attack me all the time - & whats this topic about? no gang wars..
also when there was the group montana - solonik was attacking it all the time..
So.. You stop acting innocent, panda.
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the capture? you gotta be kidding me.. all you can do to get me is by reporting when i 'm selfdefending.. i did not defend myself there - cos like same happend at party - u will abuse ur admin levels to win.. or report..
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hmmm I believe this topic started out as a warning to four gangs...am I wrong or are we in the SAMP Groups Section not the Kill-Zone?
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in fact - it does concern me- Your the ones who attack me all the time - & whats this topic about? no gang wars..
also when there was the group montana - solonik was attacking it all the time..
So.. You stop acting innocent, panda.
Nitrox we haven't attacked ur crappy group in a while now so shut the f**k up. We ain't had a gang war with Stracci, all we done is kidnapp ur members, not have a war, i distinctly remember having a stand off with ur members were we threw insults at eachother, not shot bullets or threw fists.
Oh yeah and if your members say a fight did happen then they lie just as badly as you do.
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Nitrox not half of the server wants to see you banned because you are a nice guy if you think you are the nice guy who doesnt do anything wrong why even post here. And I'm sorry to inform that the Montana's kept attacking and owning us quite bad back then while working together with Stracci we did most of the running back then and did we complain once no.
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I thought it was Stracci who always log off when killed? Always /report when getting killed? /q when sick of losing?
Anyways I was not present at Daniel party so I have no clue what happened there.
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i will stop posting here now.. turning into off topic.. last thing..
If it would be us , we would get warned.
Sayanora. :bye:
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Was i talking you? no i was talking all the four groups getting warned here.. Including ALS roadkill
Don't bring your personal issues with me into this because believe me there is a 'I hate NitrOx group already set up'. I did not deathmatch at all, that situation was for RP purposes, I died after I killed the target and when I respawned I never fired a single bullet again that day. I was protecting a few friends because that's what I do (I am a security/body guard). If you can't handle that your Stracci gang got absolutely owned that day then that's your problem, not mine.
So yeah... 'Sayanora'. :girl:
Could someone lock this topic. It's going completely off-topic due to people like NitrOx adding completely irrelevant comments here.
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1. FBI is NOT the point of this warning... Thou FBI members also complained on the whole gang wars stuff...
2. Now you all blame in non-RP /area command?
Bad dancer always blames his huge nuts (sorry for this russian saying)...
3. To listen to Nitrox, Samaron, Hell_Corleone - angels! All are bad around, only THEIR gangs are holy, only THEY are innocent...
No way gangsters... Go and read your posts to other gangs and groups, start record every flame you send on server...
I said it clear - No Gang Wars, no flamers and provokers...
If you do NOT consider yourselves as flamers and provokers - that is ONLY your and your gangs problem... And as I see - that problem will come very soon...
4. Samaron - I will not start pushing your nose into your own actions... You are enough grown to get the point or to get a punishment...
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Warnings are still in power... Topic locked, arguing will not help...
Topic is sticky to remind the gangs about warnings...
All admins are warned to report to developers immediately as soon as the new gang war will be started... All who will be involved in provokes and gangwars against other groups will be banned from server... If gang will be noticed in constant team deathmatching - gang will be shut down...
:ps: There were no complains on Stracci...