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Do any of you plan on joining your countries Military? Maybe now, or in the future?
If so, why?
If not, why so?
Me...
Well, I've always, always been interested with guns, military, tactics, everything military oriented except Aviation.
That's why I played Airsoft. Every two weeks, I'd go up into a city 45 minutes away from mine, and go into a field with 25 other indivuals, sometimes up to 50, and run around in 40 pounds of gear on, shooting eachother with plastic pellets xD.
Anyways, I plan on joining later on, when I'm around 20 maybe, if things aren't going well with my life.
To be honest, I do not know why I want to join, it just appeals to me greatly. Maybe it's a smart move to join, maybe it's not.
Only time will tell...
United States Marine Corps.
(http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/usmc.gif)
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The most powerful weapon is the Marine and his Rifle!
hehe
I wanna join the army here.
We have teh best armi in teh world!!1!1!11onee!1!
(http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/army/combatAndSecurity/images/V0109903.jpg)
(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/543/Australian_Army_soldiers.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/AMTG.jpg)
The army here has lots of ads, and advertising for the army,
it kinda looks fun, even though its not..
So, time will tell..
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<3333333333333 ( Minute 1:10 ), start from there .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHSsI5r5qMw&feature=related
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If not, why so?
No... Do not like to kill people or even carry any gun for killing people...
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No... Do not like to kill people or even carry any gun for killing people...
Agreed. Thats why I would only do it in games like this (GTA) ;)
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Well,
I personally have to join the army...
But i also want too, that's probably the best way to give back all the things this country gave me..
When i will become 19, i will go serve the army for 3 years... (usually it's 18, but i came in school 1 year late...)
As i want to be a pilot in the army, i will probably serve for 5 years...
I'm starting to work now to get a pilot position in the army, i wanna get in the Airforce school, starting next year (not this 1 :P)
And we'll see what will happen...
btw. if you're to lazy to look at the flag, so i'm from Israel.. lol
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<3333333333333 ( Minute 1:10 ), start from there .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHSsI5r5qMw&feature=related
What country? :D
Look at some awesome videos here :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JKBjWsepyw
Now this is some real fighting footage, scary stuff :O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFvqCnHRwA&feature=related
Watch around 3:00 - VERY scary
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The videos show excatly why I don't want to join the military and as Aragorn said, nor do I enjoy holding a weapon and taking someone else's life.
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i would like to join army, checking houses for enemy, taking them out, protect the areas,
but i wont join army myself,
i have been called for duty, but thats not needed......yet
if Russia will stay away from georgia and get EU on them,
then i wont be needed soon
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Well, in Greece every man , needs to join the Army at 18-19 years old, and lasts about 9 months - 14 months
So i quess, I will join :D
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In my country has terminated the service of military service maybe before 2,3 years...So if u want to join Army ur doing that on ur own and u can be only professional soldier. True, dunno hows that in NATO...
But anyway i wouldnt go in war except there is some threat on my country. And believe me its very easy to write here that u would go to war but the reality is quite different..
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if Russia will stay away from georgia and get EU on them, then i wont be needed soon
Listen Russian hater you already pissing me off around on forums with your Nazi comments about Russia... Get the fuck outta of Russia and stop bullshitting... And better read what EU's position is right now...
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i would like to join the Marines,
im fit for it, ( i think)
you need to do the Beep test
ive done it at my rugby training, and to qualify as a proffesional rugby player, you need to score over 35
and i got to 17 so its pretty good.
(http://www.teachnet.ie/coconnor/images/_38118767_bleep_test.gif)
hope fully ill pass my Englang trails in 6 weeks.
if i do pass, i will have to go to school 1 hour rest and go to training untill 9 :(
so i wont be able to get on argonath. but if i get chosen for england, i will be making tons of $$ :D
if i dont pass, ill probably go to the marines, if i dont get that, ill get some GCSE's for IT
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Being in army does not means run with AK-47 and kill everyone around the world. There are diferent specialisations.
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Being in army does not means run with AK-47 and kill everyone around the world. There are diferent specialisations.
I was thinking of joining as a chef, but I figured I'd still have to do "Lumpen" and nvm'ed it.
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I was thinking of joining as a chef, but I figured I'd still have to do "Lumpen" and nvm'ed it.
If you see only Marines Corps, dont be suprised. You have also Navy, Airforce, Mechanized Corps etc etc. Its depend from you what you wana do. And yeah you dont get promotion to general just for joining... its your work.
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If you see only Marines Corps, dont be suprised. You have also Navy, Airforce, Mechanized Corps etc etc. Its depend from you what you wana do. And yeah you dont get promotion to general just for joining... its your work.
Not Chief... chef... cooking food... you know... humans have to eat... :/
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Not Chief... chef... cooking food... you know... humans have to eat... :/
lol, cook up some bacon for the boys?
I may join the RAF when im older i dont know thinking about it tbh.
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lol, cook up some bacon for the boys?
I may join the RAF when im older i dont know thinking about it tbh.
I have flown a plane before.
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I have flown a plane before.
Nice What plane?
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Think it was a Sesner plane, small one. Obviously I had an instructor with me.
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[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_rSoWAG8Ng[/yt]
Little video I found about the Dutch ground forces, have fun ;)
Just some pictures, haven't found a video with much action yet ..shame :(
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I am actaully now considered TOO OLD to join the UK military other than the Territorials...
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Not Chief... chef... cooking food... you know... humans have to eat... :/
ohh... my bad :roll:
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I am actaully now considered TOO OLD to join the UK military other than the Territorials...
Dads Army :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I've been interested in guns my whole life, i have tens of plastic guns around still, of which i somtimes still use.
See, I dont really fancy killed all the terrorists and stuff like that going " PEW PEW i R KILL TEH terr0rizts! PEW PEW"
But, I really wanna join the army..
I'll see what happens;
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I'm just what the army needs. a guy who has no hope of getting a job, nothing to loose 0_0. i may join in the future...i wouldn't join the part where i had to kill people....maybe something else.
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I haz a nuclear base within 20 miles (?) of my house...Nuclear naval base that is. Also, 20 miles in the other direction there is the BAE systems shipyards, that are currently building the new T45 destroyers and building half of the two new supercarriers, whihc will both be built in Scotland :D
I think there is something going on with the new erm...Typhoon subs or whatever the new ones are called. Scotland ftw!.
Also two facts. 75% of the SAS are Scottish. Plus most of the UK army are Scottish, mostly snipers. :D
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Well, Seeing as how my Father and both of my Grandfathers served and faught in Wars (Vietnam and WW2 Respectively). I might join after I finish my Schooling Callege and whatnot, I might join the Navy and go to Officers School and try to become a pilot..
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I haz a nuclear base within 20 miles (?) of my house...Nuclear naval base that is. Also, 20 miles in the other direction there is the BAE systems shipyards, that are currently building the new T45 destroyers and building half of the two new supercarriers, whihc will both be built in Scotland :D
I think there is something going on with the new erm...Typhoon subs or whatever the new ones are called. Scotland ftw!.
Also two facts. 75% of the SAS are Scottish. Plus most of the UK army are Scottish, mostly snipers. :D
Faslane? :D
Visited that place its cool
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Faslane? :D
Visited that place its cool
Off-Topic: Rick Rolled, What is that the 4 time nao?
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Off-Topic: Rick Rolled, What is that the 4 time nao?
what's funny is, AV Vince was playing that song then he paused it and you joined and started where he finished....we was like wtf?
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what's funny is, AV Vince was playing that song then he paused it and you joined and started where he finished....we was like wtf?
No fuckin wai, Really?
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yep :D haha.
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Lemme see if I can duplicate the effect?
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What country? :D
Lebanon, and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHSsI5r5qMw&feature=related
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Well, I don't really want to go into the military for no reason just because there are careers I might want to pursue here. But if I was drafted, I would definitley go willingly and patriotically. Or, if there was a threat to my nation I would sign up to fight to protect my home land. If we were ever invaded like in the movie "Red Dawn" ( Not saying it would be by Russia or anything so don't think I am saying that! ) I would probably want to rebel like that...but as it was stated earlier, we might think differently if we were in that situation.
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( Not saying it would be by Russia or anything so don't think I am saying that! )
Lol, it's funny how people are afraid to talk bad about russia nowadays, yay for Aragorn :P
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I would only join the armed forces if I couldn't do anything else with my life. I just hope they don't start drafting again.
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Lol, it's funny how people are afraid to talk bad about russia nowadays, yay for Aragorn :P
I am not afraid to talk about Russia, go look back at that old Georgia Vs. Russia topic thing, I stated my case in there towards the end. I just didn't want to start a whole Russia Vs. Other Countries debate because the movie Red Dawn is focused during Cold War times when Russia invades US. Basically, I didn't want to imply that I meant Russia.
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Lol, it's funny how people are afraid to talk bad about russia nowadays, yay for Aragorn :P
Do not worry, If there would be constant shit about Sweden it would piss me off as well and the posters would have even more problems...
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I will join army, just incase russia might attack :war: :m4: :cool:
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Do not worry, If there would be constant shit about Sweden it would piss me off as well and the posters would have even more problems...
Well, there's constant 'shit' going about Israel everywhere...
But you don't see me pissing me off, just because i know that ALL wars are bad, it's nevermind if some terror organization started it, or an enemy country, war it;s a completely BAD and NOT cool thing.
Because i don't know the complete case in Georgia i can;t say anything about it..
I'm Russian myself, and i think that Russia makes a lot of mistakes...
Anyway, joining the army is not about holding a gun and killing people, the one that joins the army because of that reason, or he wanna feel some 'action', so he should keep playing GTA and CoD ...
In a war, both side lose, war is something that has to happen so you're nation will not dissapear, i see it as something that if i could, i would stop, if a war going on, people need to say "oh fuck" and not "yay finally someone will kick their ass"...
Just think about the cavillians everywhere that suffering from the war, wheresoever in Georgia, Palestine or Israel..
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Well, there's constant 'shit' going about Israel everywhere...
But you don't see me pissing me off, just because i know that ALL wars are bad, it's nevermind if some terror organization started it, or an enemy country, war it;s a completely BAD and NOT cool thing.
Because i don't know the complete case in Georgia i can;t say anything about it..
I'm Russian myself, and i think that Russia makes a lot of mistakes...
Anyway, joining the army is not about holding a gun and killing people, the one that joins the army because of that reason, or he wanna feel some 'action', so he should keep playing GTA and CoD ...
In a war, both side lose, war is something that has to happen so you're nation will not dissapear, i see it as something that if i could, i would stop, if a war going on, people need to say "oh f**k" and not "yay finally someone will kick their ass"...
Just think about the cavillians everywhere that suffering from the war, wheresoever in Georgia, Palestine or Israel..
:hoor: :rofl: I play CoD :conf:
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United Kingdom - Ground Forces
I'll be joining the Territorial Army come the end of September during the course of college!
Mechonized Infantry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11M4zV_j3z8
Air Assault Infantry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weudbL9tXCQ&feature=related
Armoured Infantry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfp-jqJB81U&NR=1
I've given a lot of thought about joining the Royal Marine Commandos, still a thought, family don't agree with it too strongly :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njlr9VT1GG0&feature=related
That's some of the British army anyway!
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I will join army, just incase russia might attack :war: :m4: :cool:
I will join army too just incase i will meet you and kick your a*s.
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Nah, I can't stand shooting people. I can't even hit people in real life without afterwards saying sorry even if he have done something bad. I'd never fit for the army, and besides, Swedens army is not big at all. Actually our army is next to nothing, maybe because we havent fought against anything since 1800 and forward. ( I think, Abraham, help me).
Sweden have been very neutral too alot countries, maybe too neutral to be honest, we let the Nazis come in our contry getting steel for their weapons, just because we were too much of chickens to fight them. Anyways, no. No, I'd not like to join the army.
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Nah, I can't stand shooting people. I can't even hit people in real life without afterwards saying sorry even if he have done something bad. I'd never fit for the army, and besides, Swedens army is not big at all. Actually our army is next to nothing, maybe because we havent fought against anything since 1800 and forward. ( I think, Abraham, help me).
Sweden have been very neutral too alot countries, maybe too neutral to be honest, we let the Nazis come in our contry getting steel for their weapons, just because we were too much of chickens to fight them. Anyways, no. No, I'd not like to join the army.
hmm yeah, i can't stand hitting anyone =\. like even if i hate there guts....if i hurt them i still couldn't help but feel bad after. don't give a shit if someone else done it though :P and i didn't see it or hear it, just found out about it. wouldn't mind then.
and Sweden does sound like a peaceful country:P
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I will join army, just incase russia might attack :war: :m4: :cool:
ye ye Russia will attack everyone coz Russia is rly baaaaad, ye?
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Well, there's constant 'shit' going about Israel everywhere...
Show me the links on forums where it takes place... Without it will consider your comment as fake info about Argonath forums...
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I will join army, just incase russia might attack :war: :m4: :cool:
If you will attack Russia you gonna be pwned really bad and fast... Russia is the one country that won all wars against jealous pricks who still drool at its lands... And you military force does not have any power to threat Russia... Just like small dog woofing at elephant...
Russians do not attack - learn the fucking history idiot...
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Found this video on youtube.
[yt=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUnHTE9Ir0[/yt]
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I will join army, just incase russia might attack :war: :m4: :cool:
Is that because your army offers the best hiding places ? :hah:
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Is that because your army offers the best hiding places ? :hah:
He already hides estonian citizenship behind Belgium flag :)... No wonder why shits Russia... ;)
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I've always dreamed of joining the military, but my disability may prevent me from doing so.
I sent my resume to L3 (Formerly Northrup Grumman, the 4th largest military defense company in the world, and the ONLY company that can build Nimitz-Class super carriers) and Boeing. There are alot of military companies in my state.
I have a good chance of being hired by L3 to make night-vision goggles for the armed forces, as my parents know 2 friends that work in L3, one of them in charge of hiring. The pay's easily $12+ USD a hour. :war:
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Show me the links on forums where it takes place... Without it will consider your comment as fake info about Argonath forums...
I ment in thew world, not forums...
No double posting :P lol...
Anyway, i don;t want to start a big fight here, i've got alot to say about Russia, but it's better that i will stay quite..
EDIT: also, a community like Argonath (i mean a community that contains people from all over the world) not suppose to have discussions like this one, this is just a small fighting bomb waiting to exploade..
Everything that coming with war's, always escorted with hate, and anger..
We saw how Aragorn got mad about people taht just was having their minds about Russia, i will be mad also if someone will say things about Israel...
So i suggest to lock this topic, or just keep it under control.. and not discuss about who we hate etc.
Thanks for understanding..
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I wish I could join. Serving your country makes you and your people proud. I would have joined had it not been for my vision impairment :(
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You can make your country be proud without military... For me it just sounds like commercial - join the Army to make your country be proud... Why not to start developing medicine and finding the treatment from disease?
I do not see a proud thing in "Our Army killed more people then your army"...
The reality is that with such humans like we - every land needs an army... :(
But nowadays Military forces are usually fight in wars that politics start... And politics start wars to find new ways to sell weapons or take oil... Supporting such policies, Armies support the wars...
This is what I meant when said I do not want to kill people and do not like to carry the gun which made specially to kill people... And I will not support any politics to kill others for their money making...
If I would sign in Army I would automatically sign to do all job government tells me... Why should I kill people or train to kill people cos government wants it?
Wanna training, be strong? Go to sport... Its the best way to make yourself strong and disciplined... And you can make your country be proud of you as well...
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You can make your country be proud without military... For me it just sounds like commercial - join the Army to make your country be proud... Why not to start developing medicine and finding the treatment from disease?
I do not see a proud thing in "Our Army killed more people then your army"...
The reality is that with such humans like we - every land needs an army... :(
But nowadays Military forces are usually fight in wars that politics start... And politics start wars to find new ways to sell weapons or take oil... Supporting such policies, Armies support the wars...
This is what I meant when said I do not want to kill people and do not like to carry the gun which made specially to kill people... And I will not support any politics to kill others for their money making...
If I would sign in Army I would automatically sign to do all job government tells me... Why should I kill people or train to kill people cos government wants it?
Wanna training, be strong? Go to sport... Its the best way to make yourself strong and disciplined... And you can make your country be proud of you as well...
Totally agreed, well said.
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You can make your country be proud without military... For me it just sounds like commercial - join the Army to make your country be proud... Why not to start developing medicine and finding the treatment from disease?
I do not see a proud thing in "Our Army killed more people then your army"...
The reality is that with such humans like we - every land needs an army... :(
But nowadays Military forces are usually fight in wars that politics start... And politics start wars to find new ways to sell weapons or take oil... Supporting such policies, Armies support the wars...
This is what I meant when said I do not want to kill people and do not like to carry the gun which made specially to kill people... And I will not support any politics to kill others for their money making...
If I would sign in Army I would automatically sign to do all job government tells me... Why should I kill people or train to kill people cos government wants it?
Wanna training, be strong? Go to sport... Its the best way to make yourself strong and disciplined... And you can make your country be proud of you as well...
Dont join the army?
Country becomes weak and is an easy target.
Dont join the army?
Cant defend your country.
Dont join the army?
No "Brave army" storys to tell of countrys braveness.
Yes. Not joining can be as bad as joing.
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So i suggest to lock this topic..
NO!
or just keep it under control..
Yes!
This topic isn't about "Oh, your country is weak against big Russia" or "Them damn terrorists got's no chance against them there Americans I tell you that."
It's solely about if you want to, or do not want to join, and why.
The politics are in other topics, such as "Russia vs South Ossetia" :P
Editx1: Yeah, my step brother was telling me, as he brought up the Military when I was in the car with him, the same thing like "If you want action, go play videogames"
To me, it's not about "YEAH LETS GO KILL TERRORISTS" it's about me taking care of my family, whether I die or live, and serving my country.
In America, you'd be very surprised what a Marine Uniform will get you... how much respect alot of people give you.
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) Turning words to provoke anti-russian conflict on forums...
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Dont join the army?
Country becomes weak and is an easy target.
Both ways...
Nope... Country is not army, country is peoples... It showed several countries already that does not need a good army to defend yourself...
Besides it nowadays can start the war only by two countries... Only from USA and Russia depends if the world will live in peace or it will be WW III...
If others would not support by their armies this two empires - the world would be much better... By Supporting both of them (does not matter which side) you allow wars continue on this Earth... Cos both USA and Russia are importing the weapons and need enemies...
And now I can tell one more probably shocked thing for you, guys...
If both empires are interested in weapons selling - they need some "reason" for that... Do you all know exactly that this two empires do not have the contract between each other? where they deal with "for others shit on each other and between each other just share amount from sold weapons"... You cannot answer yes or no... But you will have to agree that it can be "yes" as well as it can be "no"... Cos reasons for "yes" not less then reasons for "no"...
Do you know that Russia still supports dollar? When its easier for Russia to continue with Euro... Now you can ask yourself "Why?"... Why Russia supports dollar of USA when (if they would be REALLY enemies) Russia could just stop any moves of dollar which could bring USA to more economical troubles? So on public USA and Russia are like dogs vs cats, and whats in reality? Russia supports dollar... :)))
Two countries making money on weapons, making some scandals around each other to have "reasons" to produce more weapons... And all other countries just give them their military forces for "peacemaking"...
Sorry guys, but my motivations against army and weapons is much bigger then some childish threats "what if Russian Monster will attack us from under the bed!"...
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You can make your country be proud without military... For me it just sounds like commercial - join the Army to make your country be proud... Why not to start developing medicine and finding the treatment from disease?
I do not see a proud thing in "Our Army killed more people then your army"...
The reality is that with such humans like we - every land needs an army... :(
But nowadays Military forces are usually fight in wars that politics start... And politics start wars to find new ways to sell weapons or take oil... Supporting such policies, Armies support the wars...
This is what I meant when said I do not want to kill people and do not like to carry the gun which made specially to kill people... And I will not support any politics to kill others for their money making...
If I would sign in Army I would automatically sign to do all job government tells me... Why should I kill people or train to kill people cos government wants it?
Wanna training, be strong? Go to sport... Its the best way to make yourself strong and disciplined... And you can make your country be proud of you as well...
I understand where your coming from, I really do which is why i'm 40/60 on the Royal Marines, your right - the military isn't just about killing, they are a countrys defence and will often be sent out to give aid to other countrys that request it who are suffering from a natural disaster such as a flood or hurricane, the Iran military has shown a lot of gratitude to the armies helping them try to make a safe country for their children to live in, some of the videos recorded by soldiers, not the goverment show things along these lines, in the military you build up very, very strong freindships that wouldn't be built anywhere else, quiet simply because you depend on each other to survive, knowing someone will be there if a bullet hits you is atleast somewhat of a satisfying thought, for everything you do or don't do there are disadvantages and advantages, just in the military the disadvantages have huge consequences just as the advantages of seeing your work (No im not talking about someones head exploding) and feeling a huge part of the team is also huge. I quote ''The real war is 90% work/aid/building/etc and %10 action".
Yeah, the war is fucked up, majorly - but there are a lot of innocents getting hurt in it, the Soldiers couldn't give much of a damn about the Goverment either, but you see why they do it, you would have to of looked into it a lot or had an experience with a serving unit to understand why they fight, plus not everyone can win the olympics or may not of had the chance to get into a medical school. Hope you see where i'm coming from with this?
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Well, James, you see, in Russia there are special divisions that take actions with help when happens catastrophe like flood, earthquake, hurricanes...
This are people who are army and medicine the same time... They have medicine education and they are trained as Army special forces... But... Helping with hurricane is different from Army usual work and has nothing with running with the gun... This divisions have no guns at all... I actually do not understand "peacemakers" with the guns... Who decided that peace can be set by guns and bombs? :eek:
Making people to listen to your guns = dictate... So formally this are peacemakers, actually - forces of dictate...
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"what if Russian Monster will attack us from under the bed!"...
Michael Jackson?? :eek:
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Well, James, you see, in Russia there are special divisions that take actions with help when happens catastrophe like flood, earthquake, hurricanes...
This are people who are army and medicine the same time... They have medicine education and they are trained as Army special forces... But... Helping with hurricane is different from Army usual work and has nothing with running with the gun... This divisions have no guns at all... I actually do not understand "peacemakers" with the guns... Who decided that peace can be set by guns and bombs? :eek:
Making people to listen to your guns = dictate... So formally this are peacemakers, actually - forces of dictate...
Well, if a Peace Maker is shot at, he has the right to defend himself, as do Journalists - except for there are no soldiers to protect peace makers, therefore they are trained to protect themselves. As for medics, again - what if they fall under fire? Do they not have the right to defend themselves? This is why everyone in the British army is first and formost a soldier, peacemakers don't enter a battlezone with no plan, they will of attempted negotiations at first and will most likely attempt to settle a dispute between two sides, much like the Russia and Georgia incident, theres always a bigger picture then just guns being involved, and not every country has a huge army like Russia, therefore soldiers may undertake different tasks, take in mind looters and people who would take advantage of a natural disaster as well - you can't send someone into a warzone without expecting them to have the right to protect themselves mate.
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Michael Jackson?? :eek:
You know the name and have no idea he is american?
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no i know he is american, i just dont like him and i make fun of him whenever i hear the frase 'Mommy, i think theres something under my bed'
i didnt meen nything bad against russia if u took it that way :neutral:
just michael jackson ;)
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Well, if a Peace Maker is shot at, he has the right to defend himself, as do Journalists - except for there are no soldiers to protect peace makers, therefore they are trained to protect themselves. As for medics, again - what if they fall under fire? Do they not have the right to defend themselves? This is why everyone in the British army is first and formost a soldier, peacemakers don't enter a battlezone with no plan, they will of attempted negotiations at first and will most likely attempt to settle a dispute between two sides, much like the Russia and Georgia incident, theres always a bigger picture then just guns being involved, and not every country has a huge army like Russia, therefore soldiers may undertake different tasks, take in mind looters and people who would take advantage of a natural disaster as well - you can't send someone into a warzone without expecting them to have the right to protect themselves mate.
There are police forces to keep the order. No need to have other guys with guns around.
It is true that in a lot of countries someone in uniform automatically gets respect. But that is a misplaced respect towards the uniform. Dress a monkey in a uniform, it will still be a monkey.
If you want to serve your country, whenever you are in a foreign country or talking to people from another country understand that the impression they get from you will reflect on your country. Show yourself as loving weapons and uniforms - people will not see you as loving peace.
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Turning words to provoke anti-russian conflict on forums...
What the fuck Ron? Are you blind? Did you not see I used my country in the same manner as I did with Russia
I don't see why you get so pissy when people say even one slightest thing about Russia, whether it's bad, or the fact that you can vaguely comprehend English enough to the fact that you take it as an insult?
I personally do not see how, you're, what, 33 years old, but still don't know so much English, and you punish others for it?
Fucking disgusting...
Moderated, or banned status, here I come lol... >.<
i didnt meen nything bad against russia if u took it that way :neutral:
just michael jackson ;)
See? Now you even have the kid scared shitless, because he knows you'll lay into him even if you think he's saying something bad with relations to Russia.
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Well, if a Peace Maker is shot at, he has the right to defend himself, as do Journalists - except for there are no soldiers to protect peace makers, therefore they are trained to protect themselves. As for medics, again - what if they fall under fire? Do they not have the right to defend themselves?
Every human has rights to defend himself, not only journalists or whatever...
Do you know that WAR starts from DEFENSE and not from attack? Think what I mean... Took example if one attacks and takes lands and example if one attacks and... getting defenders against...
While there will be "defense with bombs and guns" do not expect the peace...
As about medicals during battle (even thou I did not understand why you made the equal battle and earthquake help brigades), during WW II were many medics on the fields... They had guns, but they did not use it... They were busy saving people from the battlefield... It was NOT medicals task to shoot back the enemy's positions when enemy attacked them...
As about peacemaking forces... They are at the needed place and needed time to... make the situation not relaxed...
If you do not understand what means armed soldiers near your house from other country - you will not understand what feel civilians in places occupied by "peacemakers"...
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What the f**k Ron? Are you blind? Did you not see I used my country in the same manner as I did with Russia
I don't see why you get so pissy when people say even one slightest thing about Russia, whether it's bad, or the fact that you can vaguely comprehend English enough to the fact that you take it as an insult?
I personally do not see how, you're, what, 33 years old, but still don't know so much English, and you punish others for it?
f**king disgusting...
Moderated, or banned status, here I come lol... >.<
See? Now you even have the kid scared shitless, because he knows you'll lay into him even if you think he's saying something bad with relations to Russia.
I apologize cos yes, I saw only a new attack on Russia... Sorry...
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i didnt meen nything bad against russia if u took it that way :neutral:
just michael jackson ;)
Well then so that you know and be more careful - in Russia Michael Jackson is associated with pedophile and nuts guy... So yes your post could be counted as an offensive joke...
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Every human has rights to defend himself, not only journalists or whatever...
Do you know that WAR starts from DEFENSE and not from attack? Think what I mean... Took example if one attacks and takes lands and example if one attacks and... getting defenders against...
While there will be "defense with bombs and guns" do not expect the peace...
As about medicals during battle (even thou I did not understand why you made the equal battle and earthquake help brigades), during WW II were many medics on the fields... They had guns, but they did not use it... They were busy saving people from the battlefield... It was NOT medicals task to shoot back the enemy's positions when enemy attacked them...
As about peacemaking forces... They are at the needed place and needed time to... make the situation not relaxed...
If you do not understand what means armed soldiers near your house from other country - you will not understand what feel civilians in places occupied by "peacemakers"...
Ofcourse it's the medics priority to kill the enemy, he becomes a medic when hes required to be one - a man becomes shot, has a medical problem and goes to see the company medic about it, like I said - everyone in the army is first and formost a soldier, nothing about that changes i'm afraid mate, theres nothing to avoid that if your stuck inside a war-zone and you wish to live through it, your going to have to fire a shot or two. Again, I don't believe that fighting can be solved with more fighting either - all the Goverments are to sturborn to agree peace terms before blood has been shed. About the brigades devoted to natural disasters - as I was saying not every country has brigades dedicated to this, they have soldiers that take up that role, but again are first and formost soldiers. The police are trained to keep peace and order, yeah, but again - which country has enough armed policemen to succsesfully restore peace and order to a city that has suffered a huge natural disaster, whilst at the same time helping with the removal of trapped wounded and so on; none, which is why the army is called in.
Anyway, wars a very toutching topic for some people - we're not going to solve anything by talking about things in a thread hehe, unfortunetly we live in an imperfect world, people are trained to deal with things the best way they can, a war is a break down in communications along with the usual ingredients, maybe one day we will find an answer with no guns. :)
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Hey aragorn,
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Russians do not attack - learn the f**king history idiot...
They just attacked the little Georgia...
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Actually our army is next to nothing, maybe because we havent fought against anything since 1800 and forward. ( I think, Abraham, help me).
Yeah, the last time Sweden engaged in was was 1812... We where even neutral during the WW2.
Btw, Double posting is when you post the same post twice.
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Btw, Double posting is when you post the same post twice.
no it isn't haha....it can be, BUT it's actually when posting a post after post in a topic...when you can just edit your one before
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no it isn't haha....it can be, BUT it's actually when posting a post after post in a topic...when you can just edit your one before
Hum, matter of definition.
Imo, when you're answering two different posts, they should not have to be in the same post.
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Hum, matter of definition.
Imo, when you're answering two different posts, they should not have to be in the same post.
Abraham says (12:01):
daum
Abraham says (12:09):
I'm off
Pierce....I'm Seriously.... says (12:09):
cya later sexy thang;)
Abraham says (12:09):
I wouldn't try to counter-post my newest post unless you want to get owned when I get back =o
Abraham says (12:10):
Not that you can...
Abraham says (12:10):
Peace
who says anything about HAVING to do anything. you don't HAVE to put them in the same post. it's a thing people PREFER you to do, if someone sees you doing something they don't AGREE with, they will question you on it or tell you to stop. so in this case, if a person "double posts" if someone finds it annoying or sees it as "double posting" they will say "double poster" which btw it is double posting.
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I wouldn't join any Military, because war is the worst what can happen, I was born in a war. Bosna and Hercegovina War 1991-1995, and it's really hard, all is damaged, half of my family died, so I'm not for it to carry guns and to kill other people...
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Take the next turn left, and head one mile north to the correct thread direction please.
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Take the next turn left, and head one mile north to the correct thread direction please.
that goes to you too sir.
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They just attacked the little Georgia...
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False information and acting like forum moderator/owner.
Correction: they answered Georgia's attack on South Ossetia. It was Georgia who declared war, not Russia.
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Anyway, wars a very toutching topic for some people - we're not going to solve anything by talking about things in a thread hehe, unfortunetly we live in an imperfect world, people are trained to deal with things the best way they can, a war is a break down in communications along with the usual ingredients, maybe one day we will find an answer with no guns. :)
James,
When war will come to our countries we all will take guns to defend our lands... During WW II was not only armies war...
I am talking about peace times... When bringing your troops to other countries has nothing with the peace... And commercials that you being in da army will make your country be proud of you...
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who says anything about HAVING to do anything. you don't HAVE to put them in the same post. it's a thing people PREFER you to do, if someone sees you doing something they don't AGREE with, they will question you on it or tell you to stop. so in this case, if a person "double posts" if someone finds it annoying or sees it as "double posting" they will say "double poster" which btw it is double posting.
Double post by internet forums rules are:
1. Posting the same post twice
2. Posting double comments to the same person on the same post
For all other cases you use "qoute" button, which was exactly made for making several posts to several people on different comments... If people are annoyed - its their own problem, but before making any comments about double posts they should read what is exactly "double posting"...
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nope, not interested in the whole military thing. i have an interest for guns and stuff (infact i have a cap gun next to me :P ), but the thought of going through years of training to possibly be killed in 10 seconds..nar. i'll be working in an office job making 500k a year.
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James,
When war will come to our countries we all will take guns to defend our lands... During WW II was not only armies war...
I am talking about peace times... When bringing your troops to other countries has nothing with the peace... And commercials that you being in da army will make your country be proud of you...
Haha, I know that commercial has propaganda written all over it, I was sharing it as the thread was talking about armys and so on and I thought seeming as all the other countries where getting mentions I would place the United Kingdom in too, NATO is a large connection of military services that aid each other and offer aid to other countrys that need it, like I said before with advantages (bringing much needed aid to the innocent) and disadvantages (sparking off hate fights between additional countrys because of the aid), like anywhere else - just in much bigger proportions, so yeah - i'm behind sending our army to hm, say a country where rebels/bandits use fear to rule over the people and forbid foreign aid to reach the people, but theres different scenarios for everything, you can't really say your not behind supporting the fact that you are aiding others because you have the power to do so, there is no general YES/NO answers to present wars because it's all become very complex with the advantages and disadvantages scenario.
Psst, Giac - if your not interested in the military, why post in a military discussion? Lol :roll:
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James_Hunter the reality is that the big alliances do not care about each conflict the same.
If there is a country where they have interest they run, but in coutries like Somalia or Sudan they run as hell to get out of the area.
Aid to the innocent ? No sir. The intention is to set up business projects where companies from the member countries supply goods and knowledge, and competitors from outside the member countries are locked out. These business projects are sold as 'aid', but most of the money does not go to the people of the country where aid is given and in many cases the projects fail due to not being what the people actually need.
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James_Hunter the reality is that the big alliances do not care about each conflict the same.
If there is a country where they have interest they run, but in coutries like Somalia or Sudan they run as hell to get out of the area.
Aid to the innocent ? No sir. The intention is to set up business projects where companies from the member countries supply goods and knowledge, and competitors from outside the member countries are locked out. These business projects are sold as 'aid', but most of the money does not go to the people of the country where aid is given and in many cases the projects fail due to not being what the people actually need.
Very true, alliances are built on who can offer what for the good of the goverments, however I refer to a soldiers state of mind; they don't sign up with the intention of helping only those countries that would benefit their own goverment - they help the civilians, protect who they can and so on, unfortunetly the majority of bastards that lead our goverment today are responsible for that, the soldiers will follow orders to an extent but atleast some aid does each the civilians; business deal or not, even if it's just a ploy so the media can see the goverment act - I have no interest in speaking for any goverment, only the soldiers that are in the military, I think we've been missing that, i didn't realise you where talking about the goverments, when I talk about the military I generaly think about the men and women that work inside it, the true power of the army, not the fat guys in suits. :P
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Abraham says (12:09):
I wouldn't try to counter-post my newest post unless you want to get owned when I get back =o
Double post by internet forums rules are:
1. Posting the same post twice
2. Posting double comments to the same person on the same post
For all other cases you use "qoute" button, which was exactly made for making several posts to several people on different comments... If people are annoyed - its their own problem, but before making any comments about double posts they should read what is exactly "double posting"...
A word... A sentance... what is it now again... oh yes...
I Told You So.
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Personally at this point and time i wouldnt consider joining the military
im just not the "fighting" Type
not to mention the army is under control by one of the [moderated]
if i ever decided to join something probally move back to england first
Moderated: offensive remark against leadership of country
Admin: Aragorn
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Very true, alliances are built on who can offer what for the good of the goverments, however I refer to a soldiers state of mind; they don't sign up with the intention of helping only those countries that would benefit their own goverment - they help the civilians, protect who they can and so on, unfortunetly the majority of bastards that lead our goverment today are responsible for that, the soldiers will follow orders to an extent but atleast some aid does each the civilians; business deal or not, even if it's just a ploy so the media can see the goverment act - I have no interest in speaking for any goverment, only the soldiers that are in the military, I think we've been missing that, i didn't realise you where talking about the goverments, when I talk about the military I generaly think about the men and women that work inside it, the true power of the army, not the fat guys in suits. :P
There are many reasons why someone will join the army. Of course the image of protecting and helping is the one that is shown in commercials.
In reality it depends in which division you will work. Some are actually for help.
But in general the function of soldiers is to take a gun and fight. That is their job, and if you join the army you know you run the risk of having to do that.
Yes you can officially choose not to go. But that will not get you anywhere as career. If you are not prepared for having to use weapons and kill people or being shot at by someone willing to kill you, better stay away from the army. And once you see the first person killed by guns IRL, there is no way back.
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James,
the reality is that true power is in hands of fat guys in suits... If fat guy will say "ok guys now we stop this war and withdraw our troops from this lands", Army has to obey the order... If he says "ok guys go and attack" they will go and attack...
And even more... Can be that soldiers have no really idea where they go and what for... Like the story with some troops of some small country: They were told that their general is in trouble and they need to go to some village... In the town they got into the fight... They had no idea that government announced a war against territories they were sent to...
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nope, not interested in the whole military thing. i have an interest for guns and stuff (infact i have a cap gun next to me :P ), but the thought of going through years of training to possibly be killed in 10 seconds..nar. i'll be working in an office job making 500k a year.
Man, they dont know have idea what re they discussing, believe me...Its easy sitting behind PC and talking(will not say harder word) about what they saw on the TV, but noone of them didnt see the war in their lifes yet. I havent been in war also, but my country was twice for my life and i hope never anymore. First time when i had 1 year and second time when i had 8 years, and i remember this second one very good..I hope will not be repeated to anyone :bow:
And yeah, true u can be killed in 10 seconds and what u did? Nothing!! How many young ppl died for nothing..
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Personally at this point and time i wouldnt consider joining the military
im just not the "fighting" Type
not to mention the army is under control by one of the [moderated]
if i ever decided to join something probally move back to england first
Hum, interesting, I'm curious, do you consider yourself an American or a Englishman. Cause in Sweden for example we have allot of people who has parents that aren't from Sweden, and I've always wondered whether they consider Sweden their home or wherever their parents come from their home. And which Army would they choose if they had to?
It's always been on my mind...
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Cause in Sweden for example we have allot of people who has parents that aren't from Sweden, and I've always wondered whether they consider Sweden their home or wherever their parents come from their home. And which Army would they choose if they had to?
If you are not going to fight other country - does not matter which Army you wanna join... I do not think there is a very big difference, as nowadays Army is just a job like other jobs... I do not talk about hot events like wars... And Brains is right, many of those who wanna go to army and imagine that they run with guns and shoot, have no idea what is war...
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James,
the reality is that true power is in hands of fat guys in suits... If fat guy will say "ok guys now we stop this war and withdraw our troops from this lands", Army has to obey the order... If he says "ok guys go and attack" they will go and attack...
And even more... Can be that soldiers have no really idea where they go and what for... Like the story with some troops of some small country: They were told that their general is in trouble and they need to go to some village... In the town they got into the fight... They had no idea that government announced a war against territories they were sent to...
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Yeah I know that, kinda hard to hide a war though - goverments that try to do that, well it usually comes around and bites them in the arse, that story sounds outragous - which goverment would send troops in a rescue operation and state that they had declared open war until after the operation! Which ever Goverment that was sounds really pathetic. By the way, Rob; hope you learnt that these types of threads always spark of deep conversations about war and politics haha, never can be avoided i'm afraid!
P.S. Anyone saying ''They have no idea what war is like'' - ofcourse they don't, no-one does until they experience it, that doesn't mean they can't talk about it though, it involves them entirely with their tax going there, their army which involve many freinds, family and so on and like a lot of us here could be considering future careers into it.
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Hum, interesting, I'm curious, do you consider yourself an American or a Englishman. Cause in Sweden for example we have allot of people who has parents that aren't from Sweden, and I've always wondered whether they consider Sweden their home or wherever their parents come from their home. And which Army would they choose if they had to?
It's always been on my mind...
Englishman
i was born and raised there
And Ron im sorry you feel that was offensive But im positive plenty of people are thinking it im pretty sure you would feel the same way about him if you lived here.
The war between america and iraq is a load of crap it was supposedly because of "weapons of mass destruction" but it was because of oil
he was feeding the public a crap load of lies, living in the united stated gives me the freedom to say my country leader is a f*cking moron
and yeah yeah i know, "your forums your rules".
anyway back on topic.
So what do you guys think about the "war" between Russia and georgia?
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I was near the Government House in Moscow when Hazbulatov was trying to make a revolution against Eltsin... We were walking along the alley when suddenly started shootings... That was evening and I saw the bullets traces... People started running to all sides, hiding in bushes, everywhere was chaos... I can say you - all the world is changing in front of your eyes when you see a guy with the gun who thinks he can kill you for ideals of his government/general...
One by one dieing TV channels, radio stations, people are talking rumors, tanks on the streets, helicopters, shots, explosions, warnings to close windows and lay on the floor cos of snipers...
Even such things can change the mind of people from "I wanna join army" to "who wants all this wars?"...
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All of you guys who are posting about Georgia, obviously didn't know it was extremist rebels who were holding towns ans cities hostage.
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All of you guys who are posting about Georgia, obviously didn't know it was extremist rebels who were holding towns ans cities hostage.
Uhm ???
Extremist rebels from Russa ? Impossible they were peace keepers.
Extremist rebels from Georgia ? Strange to describe an army that way
Extremist rebels from Ossetia ? They are citizens living there for hundreds of years.
Don't know if you have been reading the Sun, but I would advise a better quality news source. :D
Oh and lets not go back to pointing...its fastest way to get the topic locked.
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Uhm ???
Extremist rebels from Russa ? Impossible they were peace keepers.
Extremist rebels from Georgia ? Strange to describe an army that way
Extremist rebels from Ossetia ? They are citizens living there for hundreds of years.
Don't know if you have been reading the Sun, but I would advise a better quality news source. :D
Oh and lets not go back to pointing...its fastest way to get the topic locked.
Lol sorry, picked it up on the radio, something about Georgian rebels or sumthing :D
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Guys,
Intopic puhLEEEZEE
This is not a Georgian-Russian Conflict topic, this is a Countrys Military Topic.
Take this off on PM or make a topic.
Not here.
TYVM.
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I was near the Government House in Moscow when Hazbulatov was trying to make a revolution against Eltsin... We were walking along the alley when suddenly started shootings... That was evening and I saw the bullets traces... People started running to all sides, hiding in bushes, everywhere was chaos... I can say you - all the world is changing in front of your eyes when you see a guy with the gun who thinks he can kill you for ideals of his government/general...
One by one dieing TV channels, radio stations, people are talking rumors, tanks on the streets, helicopters, shots, explosions, warnings to close windows and lay on the floor cos of snipers...
Even such things can change the mind of people from "I wanna join army" to "who wants all this wars?"...
Aragorn, I am curious. How did that conflic end? Did you ever have to do military service or anything?
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what in the flying f**k do you know about michael jackson? he probably never molested children, it was just a person who wanted his money who said that he was molesting children that came into his house. and there is no proof that he did.
look at South Park Mexican, he went to jail because he raped a 7 year old. and he didn't, no proof, no, witnesses, and the girl was paid to testify against him.. and she was at his daughter's house watching a horror movie about a guy raping little firls. and she probable dreamed she was getting RAPED. and guess what? SPM got 40 years.. when "other" serial rapists only get 7-15 years! WTF??
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Woahh wtf is going on here :eek: :conf:
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what in the flying f**k do you know about michael jackson? he probably never molested children, it was just a person who wanted his money who said that he was molesting children that came into his house. and there is no proof that he did.
look at South Park Mexican, he went to jail because he raped a 7 year old. and he didn't, no proof, no, witnesses, and the girl was paid to testify against him.. and she was at his daughter's house watching a horror movie about a guy raping little firls. and she probable dreamed she was getting RAPED. and guess what? SPM got 40 years.. when "other" serial rapists only get 7-15 years! WTF??
How does this relate in any way to the topic?
Keep on topic please.
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It relates to it, because it was brought up Ghost.
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Never been a fan of the military but in Denmark shall go to "Værne pligt" cant say the word on english when we turn 18 we are going in to try if thats something for us and if not then No :)
But for me I will NEVER join it.
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Aragorn, I am curious. How did that conflict end? Did you ever have to do military service or anything?
Well... The opponents of Eltsin took the Government House... They called it "Dictatorship of Democracy"... There were several armed Chechen groups (Hazbulatov was Chechen) and nationalists party, they were shooting from the House... Parallel armed groups took the Mayor of Moscow Offices and Ostankino TV Tower... Plus snipers who were shooting from the roofs the windows of people's apartments... Eltsin brought tanks to defeat the revolutionists in Government House... The problem was with children, boys were running at the battlefield taking used patrons... Soldiers had to go to remove them from the fire lines... This soldiers were the main targets for revolutionists to shoot... And hostages in buildings...
The storm was done by special forces "Alpha"... Rutskoy, Hazbulatov were arrested, some of them killed, others went to prison...
Died people near TV Station as its the place of tourism and rest...
The problem was to protect revolutionists who gave up... As people were angry and mad...
I had to Army some far connections... I know very good what Army is, its latest technologies, situation, but I am not a military guy... The reason I already explained...
http://www.bellabs.ru/October93/October93-34.html
Here are pictures, if you are interested...
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Wow, that wasnt good time...I already see Aragorn somewhere there in that mass of people. :D
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Russians do not attack - learn the f**king history idiot...
I do not agree with Russia not, but Soviet Union yes
1: The Invasion of Poland begins at 4:40 a.m. with the German Luftwaffe attacking several targets in Poland. The Luftwaffe launches air attacks against Kraków, Ã…ÂÂódź, and Warsaw.
17: The Soviet Union invades Poland from the east, occupying the territory east of the Curzon line as well as Białystok and Eastern Galicia.
here is all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_World_War_II_(1939)
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I do not agree with Russia not, but Soviet Union yes
here is all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_World_War_II_(1939)
Legolas, Soviet Union didn't even start the war, Nazi Germany did, Soviet Union got involved.
But then again, Russia did start Livonian War.
Tsar Ivan IV demanded that the Livonian Confederation pay 40,000 talers for the Bishopric of Dorpat, based on a claim that the territory had once been owned by Russian Novgorod Republic. The dispute ended with a Russian invasion in 1558.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_War
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Jubin i did not told that Soviet Union start WW2, it was Nazis. But my reaction was on "Russians do not attack". They attack my country. Its same country Soviet Union, now its called Russia.
I do not talk now about Georgia.
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Jubin i did not told that Soviet Union start WW2, it was Nazis. But my reaction was on "Russians do not attack". They attack my country. Its same country Soviet Union, now its called Russia.
Legolas, no, Soviet Union is not Russia. Soviet Union was a federal state which consisted of 15 states: Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR and Uzbek SSR. When Soviet Union collapsed, it just stopped existing anymore. Russia is a successor of Russian SFSR.
:ps: When it comes for me joining the army then that's probably not gonna happen. At the moment I am waiting an invitation from Estonian army, so it would ask me to go for an medical examination. Which will show right away that I am not an army material.
Then again I have been a member of paramilitary organization Noored Kotkad (Young Eagles) which is like scouts but a bit more militaristic.
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The Red Army became the army of the Soviet Union. Red Army carried out an invasion of the Polish eastern territory in September 1939. The Red Army leaded by Stalin, from capitol... Moscow. These are historic facts.
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Legolas
Nazi occupied all Europe... And yes, the one who could stop them and finish were Russians... They did not attack your country, They did not take any sm of your country... But they finished the Nazis...
Probably you think that it should be that Russians defeated their lands and set away waiting when Nazi will become stronger to attack again??? No... Nazi attacked Russia and Russia finished them...
Why you think USA and Great Britain joined the Red Army to finish the Nazi?
It was a f**king terrible war for all... And even here when Russians stopped this killing machine you found the reason to accuse Russia...
And NO way Russia attacked Poland in 1939... As Russia was away from war till Germany did not attack Russia... The first fight was in 1941 at Brest...
Disgusting...
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Not true Ron.
The Red Army and the Nazis were about to decide how Poland should be split up. And just after those decisions the red army attacked Poland at the 23th of August in 1939.
They attacked from the North of the Dwina until the South of the Dnjestr. Soon they had a lot of Citys under their control. But its a too long story.
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But then again, Russia did start Livonian War.
Livonian orden (knights) was attacking Russia since 1242... Sweden knights then cooperation with German knights (Tevtonian Orden)... If you know Russian history should remember the Novgorod battle at Nevskoe Lake... Was leading as military troops at Russia so the political events with boyare against Novgorod Tsar...
If Litva supported this orden - it was their fault... And once again the first who attacked - Livonians against Russia...
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I agree... Nazi attack Russians. You defend yourself... then defeat them with USA, GB. all other i agree. But in one part im against "They did not attack your country". So how you explain this to all historics.
17: The Soviet Union invades Poland from the east, occupying the territory east of the Curzon line as well as Białystok and Eastern Galicia.
Then who attack from east? Japannese
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I agree... Nazi attack Russians. You defend yourself... then defeat them with USA, GB. all other i agree. But in one part im against "They did not attack your country". So how you explain this to all historics.Then who attack from east? Japannese
Your quote is true Agent, Poland got attacked from the West by the nazis and from the East by the Soviets
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I agree... Nazi attack Russians. You defend yourself... then defeat them with USA, GB. all other i agree. But in one part im against "They did not attack your country". So how you explain this to all historics.Then who attack from east? Japannese
If they would make a war against Poland hardly Poland would exist as country... They were not fighting against Germans even, they were fighting against Nazi...
That Russian army was finishing the Nazi you call it "attack of Poland"... How you suppose they will finish them? Through Japan?
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Your quote is true Agent, Poland got attacked from the West by the nazis and from the East by the Soviets
Then you have no idea that Russians were fighting together with polish guys, and still respect the cooperation and Poland partisans... If there were those who were on Nazi side - it was their own fault...
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If they would make a war against Poland hardly Poland would exist as country... They were not fighting against Germans even, they were fighting against Nazi...
That Russian army was finishing the Nazi you call it "attack of Poland"... How you suppose they will finish them? Through Japan?
Ron the relationship of Poland and Russia, (if you see it from the II WW), should be like deathenemies..
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Ron the relationship of Poland and Russia, (if you see it from the II WW), should be like deathenemies..
This is what Poland wants to believe in... As I see... I never heard from Russians any deathenemies relations with Poland... Wanna say Poland supported Nazi in WW II?
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This is what Poland wants to believe in... As I see... I never heard from Russians any deathenemies relations with Poland... Wanna say Poland supported Nazi in WW II?
Hell no, why they should support em. They had enough problems to handle off...well, they couldnt do anything. West: Nazis, East: Russia...only thing to do: Capitualtion.
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Then you have no idea that Russians were fighting together with polish guys, and still respect the cooperation and Poland partisans... If there were those who were on Nazi side - it was their own fault...
Yes we were fighting together with them, after nazi made agresion on you... but gahhh. But im against your opinion about Soviet agresion.
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Hell no, why they should support em. They had enough problems to handle off...well, they couldn't do anything. West: Nazis, East: Russia...only thing to do: Capitulation.
I once again repeat: Russians were fighting Nazi and had nothing against Poland... But as the World War started from Germany they were moving their troops to Germany with battles...
I understand that all Europe can start screaming "Russia attacked us during WW II!!!" but actually it was NOT an attack of occupied countries... And as Nazi were in Poland - they got a fire on them and of cos not without wars on Polish streets...
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Yes we were fighting together with them, after nazi made agresion on you... but gahhh. But im against your opinion about Soviet agresion.
If there would be aggression against Poland then Russia as winner should get some lands at least... Which lands lost Poland during this "aggression"? Otherwise name me the reason Russia "attacked" Poland...
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Me, joining the army? Hell no sir.
I do not like the idea of taking someone else's life. I do not see anything beautiful or to be proud in that.
Want to be the pride of the nation? Take a sports/music career.
Some say that the human being is superior in comparison to the animals... But I have yet to see an animal killing each other just because they think they are better than others or because of other's natural resources. (I'm not accusing anyone btw)
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If there would be aggression against Poland then Russia as winner should get some lands at least... Which lands lost Poland during this "aggression"? Otherwise name me the reason Russia "attacked" Poland...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)
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Lets take things from history, if that is what this is about.
The Soviet Union was concerned about the European situation, however the Western alliance did not allow them to take part in discussions. As a result the only way to ensure a form of stability was by negotiating with the other single force, Germany.
As a result the Mototov-Ribbentropf treaty was formed in which Germany and the Soviet Union agreed not to attack each other, even if under attack of another country.
In this treaty there was also agreement reached on where the sphere of influence of each nation would be.
Russia's area of influence would include the area's that they reluinquished after WWI, and were part of Poland in between.
When Germany decided to stretch it borders by attacking there was a clear chance that Germany would conwquer all of Poland, including areas that were assigned to the Soviets. As a result, the Soviet Union placed their troops on the former Russian territories of Poland, starting September 17, 1939.
From a Russian point of view, this was not invasion of another country, but taking control of the territories that were theirs before.
As this was managed in 2 days until they met in Brest, one can not even call this a war.
Russia in the same year started a campaign aganst Finland, to regain territories they lost prior. They did not intend or tried to take over the full country.
After the campaign in Finland, they found large Nazi-sympathies in the Baltic states, and in accordance with the treaty brought them undr Soviet control.
At the end of WWII, the states borders as defined in the treaty were reinstated, and new treaty was made to divide the sphere of influence of the Warschau=pact members and the NATO alliance.
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From a Russian point of view, this was not invasion of another country, but taking control of the territories that were theirs before.
At that time it was Polish territories. Marked with border of country.
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Gandalf,
at that time was also French-Britain-Russian Alliance confederation where they were discussing Russian troops moves THROUGH Poland...
Legolas,
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was made with Stalin's Government... This georgian had a lot of ambitions as we all know... But once again, Russians had no actually a target to occupy Poland... They had a target to stop Nazi...
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My brother in law is in the military and i will never join the military.
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But I have yet to see an animal killing each other just because they think they are better than others or because of other's natural resources.
Almost every animal on the planet does that. Pack animals fight over territory, birds fight eachother for areas rich in food, even ants use biological warfare to wipe out other colonies. War is a natural instinct for all creatures.
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Well, what do you expect, when Baltic states let the Red Army in their territories with kindness and then Red Army takes that kindness and turns Baltic states to the puppet country which later on "wants to join Soviet Union" and after that, the Soviet Union's head(from Georgian SSR) takes your people and deports it to Siberia.
Had two bad choices, one of them had already deported our people.
That is why I do not blame the people of Baltic states in feeling bad towards Stalin. He was judge.d and held responsible for his crimes by Russians.
But as at the time there was the Cold War, the Soviet Union did not want to let the Baltic republics free as that would have resulted in many conflicts.
Once the time was right, the Baltics were one of the first to be given independence.
Currently they are very important in trading between Russia and the West. Hopefully they will keep all lines open.
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Almost every animal on the planet does that. Pack animals fight over territory, birds fight eachother for areas rich in food, even ants use biological warfare to wipe out other colonies. War is a natural instinct for all creatures.
Oh, I didn't know they tried to expand their territories all the time, take people of the same species to be their slaves. Nor that they take pride on that. That's good to know. Carefull with their nukes then. :D
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Oh, I didn't know they tried to expand their territories all the time, take people of the same species to be their slaves. Nor that they take pride on that. That's good to know. Carefull with their nukes then. :D
All animals have their territories...
If lion takes the pride he kills all kitties in pride which were born from old leader... Crocodiles-fathers can eat their own babies... So animals world can be more cruel...
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All animals have their territories...
If lion takes the pride he kills all kitties in pride which were born from old leader... Crocodiles-fathers can eat their own babies... So animals world can be more cruel...
Of course they do have, though I don't agree it can be more cruel. But meh, just forget it, I think my english skills aren't very good to pass the message that I'm trying to pass.
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Oh, I didn't know they tried to expand their territories all the time, take people of the same species to be their slaves. Nor that they take pride on that. That's good to know. Carefull with their nukes then. :D
Animals start wars when there is overpopulation or when territories meet. Same goes for people. ;)
The good thing is that animals have not yet amde those nukes.
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Animals start wars when there is overpopulation or when territories meet. Same goes for people. ;)
The good thing is that animals have not yet made those nukes.
Well infinite monkeys can write perfect rewriting of Shakesphere's Hamlet, so they are not far away from nukes.
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Well infinite monkeys can write perfect rewriting of Shakesphere's Hamlet, so they are not far away from nukes.
It's a theory.
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Ahem...
We gonna get back on topic?
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Yes, back on topic please!
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Well, again, I have a serious passion for the military and all that stuff, not necessarily shooting and killing people, but doing the tactics and such, and wearing all that gear and... omg I can go on and on.
But, for now, that's why I play Airsoft. It's basically the same thing we do in Iraq, but without the aspect of killing people :P
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Yes, back on topic please!
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Well, again, I have a serious passion for the military and all that stuff, not necessarily shooting and killing people, but doing the tactics and such, and wearing all that gear and... omg I can go on and on.
But, for now, that's why I play Airsoft. It's basically the same thing we do in Iraq, but without the aspect of killing people :P
I keel joo KWA Mac 11, Buffer pads, MIGHT dot he "vent thing" where you drill holes. Lolz, Needs a new mag though.. >_<
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Ahh screw that man, I'm getting a Classic Army M15A4 Carbine, Sportline.
(The M15A4 is the M4, don't ask me why they call it an M15 :S)
High rate of fire with a 9.6V battery, full ABS Plastic Body, except the gearbox and the Barrel... only $180 :bow:
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A word... A sentance... what is it now again... oh yes...
I Told You So.
you win =\ once again....dayum
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It's basically the same thing we do in Iraq, but without the aspect of killing people :P
So in Airsoft some of you just goes and rapes children? And also scare the shit out of local people. :D
:ps: In fact I have played Airsoft myself couple of times. Two of my friends still play it.
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So in Airsoft some of you just goes and rapes children?
Depends on if the kids come :D
Nah lol, who rapes children? I know the Americans don't... maybe the terrorists, but not us :P
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Depends on if the kids come :D
Nah lol, who rapes children? I know the Americans don't... maybe the terrorists, but not us :P
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/index.html
Well, I hate to break your little bubble, but there :)
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Damn lmao.
Well, there's always idiots in every corner of the earth. (Just to piss off Ron: In Russia too :D )
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Well, there's always idiots in every corner of the earth. (Just to piss off Ron: In Russia too :D )
You really want a ban? If yes - no problem... If no - do not wake up a Russian bear...
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What the f**k Ron? Are you blind? Did you not see I used my country in the same manner as I did with Russia
I don't see why you get so pissy when people say even one slightest thing about Russia, whether it's bad, or the fact that you can vaguely comprehend English enough to the fact that you take it as an insult?
I personally do not see how, you're, what, 33 years old, but still don't know so much English, and you punish others for it?
f**king disgusting...
I'm guessing you did not see my earlier post.
Read it again Ron and ask that question to yourself.
Don't wake it up? Yeah, I'll go fucking shoot the goddamn Russian Bear.
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Let the nukes fly? -.-
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Yeah, I'm gonna get a nuke with the word "BAN" on the side of it.
Or maybe just a Moderated Boot jammed in my ass for a while >.<
:ps: Ron, where can I get those cute little awards? Can I have yours? :(
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Hayden you have 5 minutes to remove your posts.
If you can not take the same kind of 'fun' you try to put on others, then do not try to be funny.
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To be honest Gandalf, why?
I'm not scared to step up to Aragorn, even though he hates me, I'll kick it with him.
He used a figure of speech, with his bear, and I did the same.
You can ban me, though It'll do little to nothing for me.
As I said to Jubin over MSN, "I only check Argonath forums for the offtopic, I don't play on any of their servers."
So lay into me Gandalf or Ron, whichever of you would like to pull the switch of the electric chair.
:ps: I think this would be cool
(http://i37.tinypic.com/66vmzb.png) :P
Bye guys at Argonath :D
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnpmod.gif) Aragorns post was a joke. If you can not take a joke on you and reply with shit, you lose the rights to post unmoderated.
By Gandalf
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnpmod.gif) Moderated due to provocative behavior
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Thanks Gandalf (http://www.disabilitykenya.org/images/love-heart.jpg)
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Hayden you have shown your own hypocrisy.
Aragorns post was a clear joke, just like he took your post as one.
But you seem to think that we like to attack you. the contrary is true. We only try to keep you in line.
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you know when this topic was made, i sensed bad things would happen. like a big argument as it's a touchy subject.....i guess i was right 0_0
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you know when this topic was made, i sensed bad things would happen. like a big argument as it's a touchy subject.....i guess i was right 0_0
Indeed, allways a discoussing topic people going mad :(
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The fights in topic were already stopped... All what you needed Hayden - to continue a normal discussion...
You made a joke, I answered with other joke... What you did?
You got pissed off, put a crap on me and shitted the awards system we put on forums...
I apologized to you when saw my mistake and removed your warning...
Was waiting when you will apologize next for putting the personal flame on me... You did not...
You made a joke on me, I answered with joke on you... You decided that only you can make jokes and threw a crap on me... Of cos now you will sit in MSNs calling me a dictator...
But first of all look at yourself... And try to look at others normal and equal to you... You are not teh best as you think...
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I never called you a Dictator over MSN.
I don't take threats as jokes, sorry.
I have a gun to your head, and you're in a chair sitting. I say "If you cough, I'll blow your brains out."
You wouldn't think I was joking, as that's not a joking matter.
"You really want a ban? If yes - no problem... If no - do not wake up a Russian bear..."
That does not seem like any joke, again, sorry.
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Of cos you are not talking crap about me in MSNs...
You only put a shit on me here - on forums... Accusing me in some damn shits after I made the same joke at you as you did...
You on public started putting fake accusations that I hate you... Now you put fake accusations that I threaten you... Then you put some picture and announced yourself the most pissing off Aragorn...
From all personal attacks on me you did in this topic - you never apologized... Even raised again your post, after which was my direct answer "I apologize then"...
From all awards on forums you saw only mine... Again got pissed... Started shitting more... I am already used to be guilty in all your pissings...
Kid, ffs, learn to be wrong...
Though, not all americans can do it, idiots are everywhere...
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No, I won't ever join the military. I really don't see any good in my doing that.
By the way, we were taught in school that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a treaty, and that they each took some of Poland. I don't think it was that simple :roll:, but it wasn't really described in detail, so thats where people might be coming from...
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By the way, we were taught in school that the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a treaty, and that they each took some of Poland. I don't think it was that simple :roll:, but it wasn't really described in detail, so thats where people might be coming from...
That was the treaty I mentioned earlier.
What is scary is that history seems to be repeating. Russia is not heard on their concerns by the NATO, just like the League of Nations did not listen to them.
This forced Russia to make a treaty with Germany, and can now force Russia to make closer ties to countries like China, India and Iran.
If the NATO countries ever want to stop being scared of Russia, they should understand and cooperate. Nobody knows better than the Russians how people in the old Soviet republics think.
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When Germany decided to stretch it borders by attacking there was a clear chance that Germany would conwquer all of Poland, including areas that were assigned to the Soviets. As a result, the Soviet Union placed their troops on the former Russian territories of Poland, starting September 17, 1939.
From a Russian point of view, this was not invasion of another country, but taking control of the territories that were theirs before.
As this was managed in 2 days until they met in Brest, one can not even call this a war.
Russia in the same year started a campaign aganst Finland, to regain territories they lost prior.
Gandalf, so are you saying that Soviet Union acted right? Because, they really didn't have an permission to place their troops onto Poland's land, which were rightfully Poland's by the Treaty of Riga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Riga).
Same goes to Finland, these areas, what Soviet Union conquered were rightfully Finland's by Treaty of Tartu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tartu_(Russian%E2%80%93Finnish)).
:ps: All the people, who say that don't discuss about History, Religion, War or Politics, because those are too touchy topics - Those are so touchy topics only when you don't hold enough information, don't listen to the other side and start to flame. These topics are really for the people, who can stay calm and really discuss. If you feel or main admin has made it clear for you, that you are not capable to discuss, but only argue, please stay out of topic, thank you.