GAMBLE AT YOUR OWN RISK
If you choose to play dice with another player you should keep in mind that you are not playing dice against Argonath, but against a random player who may or may not pay you your winnings. Dice is not officially sanctioned by Argonath and Argonath will not take responsibility for any losses you incur while engaged in this type of activity.
Players who 'scam' you by not paying you your winnings will not be banned or forced to pay you. You and you alone are responsible for your money and Argonath administration will no longer intervene in such matters.
If you find yourself the victim of such a scam, you may call the police of take the perpetrator to court, although you should not be surprised if you find the authorities are not especially enthusiastic about helping you.
If you're reading this and you think it means you have a green light to seek out new players so you can part them from their money using this method, for your own sake please think again. Argonath will protect new players from the parasites and predators of San Andreas and if you are found to have wilfully scammed a new player in any way you will be exiled to a far away place in the form of a ban. Be warned.
Kojak
Scamming, and Gambling safely
Firstly, I'm fed up of people coming to me saying "This player scamming said he will bet me 100k that I could roll higher dice. I rolled dice higher now he wont pay." and lo and behold, neither player who 'bet' even had such amounts, or any intention of paying. The winner claims "he is scammer because I lost 100k if he doesn't pay", loser claims "he did not even have 100k to bet". So what to do in this situation?...
Scamming Is only when people lose their own money. It is not scamming if you lost gambling money that you should have/ could have won. So in the scenario above, it is definitely not scamming, so the winner is wrong. Loser is also wrong, since he was dumb enough to gamble with imaginary money.
How to bet safely:
#1 Use a trusted person such as a casino operator (legal) or someone else that both players can trust.
#2 Agree on bets. Send your bet to 3rd party.
#3 If you win, 3rd party pays winner the money.
This is how casino's (should) work, except you pay the croupier before you bet, if you win they pay back (usually double), if you lose they keep your bet. In casino's, since it is legal you can always take the casino to court if they do not pay.
I remember such cases have has happend before. There were stated, that gambling outside casinos are illegal. So, if you decide to gamble in a casino - feel free to use video and audio recorder to record agreement between players to gamble in one or another sum, and, I believe feel free to take player to the court case. If courthouse would dissagree on charges for 'scamming', you could start another charge for breaking agreement between two players. Agreement should sound like that: I, Player A, Agree to pay the sum of <...>$, if in 'Highest Wins' Dice game I will loose. Sum will be paid to Player B if he would get higher number then me. Then, player B should repeat the same, just with the names changed :) Admins wouldn't be able to help you, but courthouse - should.Court dosent accept cases made by unoffical worker of casino...
Scamming Is only when people lose their own money. It is not scamming if you lost gambling money that you should have/ could have won. So in the scenario above, it is definitely not scamming, so the winner is wrong. Loser is also wrong, since he was dumb enough to gamble with imaginary money.
Just another reason not to gamble.
So basically, scamming is allowed.(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Nn23fUalZuWgQM:http://content.foto.mail.ru/list/thestrokes/1/i-27.jpg)
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Scamming is when a player is losing money as a result of a trick.
An experinced player telling a new one to wire him 2k in order to get more money is a scam.
Gambling for money and not paying when you lose is not a scam, its taking a risk. If the person you gamble with happens to be having some friends, you might end up hurt...
Gambling for money and not paying when you lose is not a scam, its taking a risk. If the person you gamble with happens to be having some friends, you might end up hurt...
I would really appreciate if this rule is looked into.
Today i was gambling with [Will tell as C_G... not revealing his name] and C_G said, 100k bet, for blackjack, and rolled. he busted (22) and /q'd. around 5 minutes later he logged in and i asked him 'Do you have my 100k!?' and he said 'Gamble at your own risk' insisting he will not pay me. I have F8 pictures of this situation, and i told him. All he did was say the same gamble at your own risk. And ALSO said it was MY FAULT! I find this very ridiculous and this rule should be changed, it seems players are taking advantage of this now and NOT paying their gambling dues. Although I do respect the administrator's decision, I'm not complaining on what they have said, but the way people are abusing this for their own work.
sorry if this offended anyone or an administrator, but I'm just telling what I'm seeing / experiencing.
You didn't lose money so why the hell are you complaining cause he didn't pay you?1. I would have lost the money say i'd have lost. Technically yes i did lose the money. 2. calm down.. 3. You honestly think killing him once will doany thing? All he will is do it again and again.
If you are so f**king moody about it go and kidnap him then tell him if he tries any of the shit he pulled on anyone else and you find out you'll kill him then swiftly give him a beating and leave him in the middle of the Bone County Desert.
Gamble only with people you trust 100%.
Would sincerely advice against usage of the term 'scam' with all grammatical variations and cognate expressions for this particular case of gambling simply because, a scam involves losing money or money's equivalent. When a person obtains a higher number or set of numbers using a few commands, he has/does not lose money or its equivalent. It is a game of luck. All he has lost is a possibility to win money.I understand, my question was, are you allowed to spread this info and give this person a 'bad name'? Or is that against the rules?
Example of a scam - Player 1 takes a loan from player 2, changes name to avoid detection, continues the exercise with player 3 and so on.
So , If you gamble in Casino , you HAve to pay .
IF you Gamble outside a Casino , you don't have to pay
If you Drug deal , you don't have to pay or give the drugs , same for weapons.
Right ?
take the perpetrator to court, although you should not be surprised if you find the authorities are not especially enthusiastic about helping you.
Just because we won't take action againest people who scam in /dice bets and other illegal gambling doesn't mean you can do the same for Drugs/Weapons/Cars & Property and go around scamming from this as it will lead to punishment if your caught.Take a Look at This:
Scamming is not allowed, however to be scamming it has to:
1. Involve a monetary or physical loss (not getting your promised gains is not a loss)
2. Involve legal deals.
Example:
Player A makes a deal with Player B to buy his car and to pay $50.000 extra.
Player B sells his car and Player A kills him.
This is scamming as the players were making a legal deal which was not fulfilled, and could not be avoided.
Example:
Player A wishes to buy weapons outside Ammunation from Player B.
Player A sends the money to Player B and Player B kills him.
This is not scamming, though there is a monetary loss, as the deal is deemed 'illegal'.
Now for a solution.
In the first case, and this also goes with illegal drug deals, there could have been a third trusted player present, Player C.
Player A pays to player C, then Player B sells the car and Player A buys it. After that Player C gives the money to Player B. Of course Player C has to be trusted by both players.
The case of weapon deals is even more simple. Weapons have a sending limit.
There for nothing stands in the way of doing the transaction in small parts.
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Scamming is when a player is losing money as a result of a trick.
An experinced player telling a new one to wire him 2k in order to get more money is a scam.
Gambling for money and not paying when you lose is not a scam, its taking a risk. If the person you gamble with happens to be having some friends, you might end up hurt...