Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: David_Omid on May 17, 2010, 12:15:23 pm
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Due to the fact that players have been complaining a lot lately about cops haven't more advantages than criminals and criminals having no rights, I would like to propose the following changes:
Read the WHOLE TOPIC before posting
Criminals can not be unsuspected at all. If they get suspected, there is no escape, they will either be jailed or die.
If a criminal is jailed then they will lose more money than if they are killed, so expect more criminals to die and lose money and weapons. I'm sure they'll like that.
SWAT will not be given weapons by the government, neither will FBI or high ranking SAPD. They have to buy their own weapons for special operations.
Suspects will no longer be allowed to hide in interiors.
If a cop crashes or logs out, there is a very high chance that he gets the freecop skin and no weapons when he returns.
/cuff will be bugged. If a suspect is cuffed, they are frozen and are dragged with the cop. If the cop drives, the suspect dies. Fun for everyone!
SWAT will not have SWAT vehicles such as the enforcer or the raindances
FBI will no longer have their vehicles like their raindances, but they can have the Federal Ranchers
Fast cars like the bullet, super GT and infernus will be removed
Suspects will be able to ride pedal bikes, making them close to invincible. I'm sure the cops will like that!
Suspects will be able to ride trains and trams, ACTUALLY making them invincible. I'm sure the cops will LOVE that!
This sounds unfair, doesn't it? It sounds cruel, right? Well guess what, this is how things USED TO BE in RS3 so consider yourselves lucky that things are how they are now! Stop moaning!
I don't want to see any more discussion about cop and criminal advantages/disadvanages, it doesn't matter in the slightest who has the upper hand as you are NOT the only people in this community and we ALL KNOW IT!
I am willing to increase script support for both cops and criminals if you all stop moaning at each other. Deal?
Yes, this topic is a joke - but the message is clear, be grateful for what you have instead of moaning about what other people have
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Post was made with early version of topic, so removed... David updated it, saying other stuff too.
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Actually.. I do not fully like this way :x... I believe they should be able to escape... as this is like real life mostly :/
But.. if it is for better.. do it.. :/ idk.
You...did read the whole of my post, right?
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is this cant /cancelsuspect when abused or something too?
i like it,but i dont like in some point..
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Re-updated my post David..
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Thank you everyone, you have proven that you are all one of two things:
1. You can't read
2. You don't listen to a word I say
Or both, not sure
Read the first post carefully...
NOTHING IS BEING PROPOSED
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Lol'd.
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Well.. David.. I am not going gonna go like these people and blame you or say "OMFG DAVID SUCKS" and disrespect your work..
You put much effort.. and I'm thankful to all Devs for spending their time on Argonath..
But I believe that the current configuration of scripts for both cops and criminals is nice, and should stay the same..
In fact.. I did fully read what you first said.
Don't tell me I don't have rights to state my personal opinion (?).
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I Laughed...
Rock, read the whole post.
And David, I'll go for that deal.
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Some do sound pretty nice, to be honest.
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First post updated with more things, I think the message should be clearer now
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First post updated with more things, I think the message should be clearer now
Sounds great David, Keep up the Spectacular Job. Love Going back in time to RS3.
(I know its a joke)
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One hell of a way to counter those moaners, David. :lol:
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I do remember all of this from RS3, oh god the things we've gotten today.
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Thank you David, tho I do not agree on some points I am glad that you came up with something to solve this problem. :)
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Talking a lot about this criminal and cops thing make Argonath sound like Cops and Robbers. For f**k sake!! there are other things to do then watching criminals and cops.. and f**k yea its pretty good the way it is.. i as a criminal i would have wanted cops to have Rhinos. i would have wanted a hydra chasing me while im riding a bike.. what is wrong with you all? you just want it all ready? Well damn not, get yourself some challenges you crazy bastards!! and cut the f**king moaning cause there are other stuff to do in Argonath! No Such thing as Cops and Criminals. Let it be.. Get used to it.
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Thank you, f**k off with that attitude.
A long time ago I confronted you and told you that you were caught abusing our scripts, and I gave you the choice of being banned or help us fix problems and make this community better. You chose to be banned.
Who are you to talk about attitude?
Some of us try to make this place better for the players, only to have it thrown at us
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Stop playing the cops versus criminals crap. This is not about giving ANY advantages. This is a RP server, not a DM server. Live with it and get over it.
Cops have advantage than criminals. - That' how it is IRL.
What are you doing in RP Server if you want to have advantage over cops and that's not realistic at all?
In current script, you got advanage enough, you can escape, you can spawncamping in interior, you can buy heavy weapons and armor, do a circle running shooting with sawn-off/micro/etc. You have fast vehicles, you can escape in plane, blah bla.
@David: Just script the way it is IRL, not giving Equal advantage to both of them, this is RP Server.
And lol'd at YS
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Pre-RS4....
Good days, actually. Had some very interesting cop-RPs...
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Meh... About me
I had FAILED to detect [SARCASM]... before he put up the last sentence, saying it was joke.. in the early version of his first post... :( later he updated so..
He's alright Omri D:
I don't hold anger for david..
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Question:
Do cops get any weapon AT ALL? (Including pepper spray, nightstick etc.)
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I'm just Omri. See how you speak to TheRock for example, is that respect?
Beeing in your position does that grants you the power to mock down people and talk down at them?
I deleted my post because I thought I was overreacting but since you answered it I answered this one too.
I treat TheRock with respect, he knows that as much as I do, I simply corrected his mistake, it was most likely caused by a conflict between my way of expressing points through text and his way of thinking not being compatible with mine, therefore he didn't fully understand the topic whilst other people may have.
We appear to be going off on a tangent here, let's go back to the topic in hand
Summary of key points:
Players are moaning all day, every day - this is not just a generalisation, it's actually happening
There are of course the pleasant few who remember how things used to be and actually prefer things now, therefore do not complain when things are improved even more or even at times when things do not go their way, they remember how things were still worse back then.
Most discussions are about cops and criminals as most people tend to forget about the other members of this community, which is wrong.
These discussions have lead me to mainly focus my scripts on sections of the community which aren't related to cops and criminals for this reason!
I will bring support for both groups of people, but only on the grounds that members of both groups of people agree that all of these arguments are a waste of time and are counterproductive.
That is all
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Question:
Do cops get any weapon AT ALL? (Including pepper spray, nightstick etc.)
Just give them a Rocket Launcher, i wouldnt care.
Players are moaning all day, every day - this is not just a generalisation, it's actually happening
Yes, thats right. But that thanks to these kind of topics. The most you talk about it the most they moan about it. Act like this thing doesnt fucking exist. Simply: Dont Care! There are rules, and that is enough.
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My truely deepest apoligies, sorry for the off topic.
Deleted the other reply.
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My truely deepest apoligies, sorry for the off topic.
Deleted the other reply.
My apologies too
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Good Girl!
Now you can both come to my house and play with my barbies!! :lol: :rofl: :rofl:
:ps: Just Kidding LOL
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It is kinda confusing me :S
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Frednox. What you see is what you get, Accept things, Take them for granted.
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Interesting...
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I'll admit the system is improved, but that still doesn't mean we don't need to change things/improve things.
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If I read the topic, I was like what the fuck. But yeah, I remember those days.
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i agree to this deal depending what is going to be added/removed for both cops and criminals
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SWAT will not be given weapons by the government, neither will FBI or high ranking SAPD. They have to buy their own weapons for special operations.
If a cop crashes or logs out, there is a very high chance that he gets the freecop skin and no weapons when he returns.
SWAT will not have SWAT vehicles such as the enforcer or the raindances
I am willing to increase script support for both cops and criminals if you all stop moaning at each other. Deal?
Deal But Please LETS NEVER GO BACK TO THAT!! The options above are Horrible and I never want to see then :cry:
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Why don't we just punish moaners? Wasn't that what we even had to do when I was in the admin team like a half year ago?
I do only see topics, this one what scared the shit out of me, what does not really HELP.
It can only increase the moaning, as they will say you did something "stupid".
I think forcing them to stop, by punishment will work - I never was a supporter of these topics.
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You forget the dark blue names as cop <3. Anyway, I guess it's better now :lol:
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I remember we had these scripts back in the days, I had my advantage against bicycling suspect, Roadtrain,E-brake and quick left turn = Flying suspect from the bikes ^^ Good old days with those stuff
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First i was like "WHAT THE FUCK", then lol'd.
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I actually really liked RS3 :(.
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First i was like "WHAT THE f**k", then lol'd.
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This topic was not intented to scare people
This topic was intended to make all of those moaners out there appreciate what we actually have on the server
We (myself, CBFASI, Gimli and Gandalf) see far too much moaning going on about this and that, when people really have nothing to moan about.
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This reminded me that nothing between RS3 and RS4 was added for criminal groups.
Most of my arguments are, and have always been for, criminal groups - not suspects.
Suspects = Criminals
Criminals =/= Suspects
None of the ideas I suggested at the criminal meeting got a mention in any script release to date. That is why people are worried that there never will be any mention, because we're programmed to expect more of the same if said "same" has been so for many years.
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Nothing between RS3 and RS4 was added for criminal groups.
All of my arguments are, and have always been for, criminal groups - not suspects.
Suspects = Criminals
Criminals =/= Suspects
And my argument is that every time I consider adding anything for criminals, they moan about everyone, therefore reducing my incentive to do anything for them
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And my argument is that every time I consider adding anything for criminals, they moan about everyone, therefore reducing my incentive to do anything for them
"Moan" is an extremely unfair word.
I prefer "plea".
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"Moan" is an extremely unfair word.
I prefer "plea".
Actually I consider "moan" as being fair in this context
Basically you're not exactly pleaing for what you don't have, you are moaning about what the cops have/what the cops are doing
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No any f**king moaning on Argonath RPG, ban all f**king moaners f**king moaning on RPG server trying to f**k up everything by f**king moaning every time they f**king breathe. Some criminals like to f**king moan but there are still those who f**king hate the f**king moaning by the f**king moaners. Now I feel f**king sorry for the forum censor thing... :conf:
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Basically you're not exactly pleaing for what you don't have, you are moaning about what the cops have/what the cops are doing
Yes, if you want to put it that way.
We "moan" that police groups get stuff that we have also been pleading for.
Penalising the cops doesn't help anyone, it just makes everyone unhappy.
In MMO terms:
Don't nerf the cops down, buff the criminals up!
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Yes, if you want to put it that way.
We "moan" that police groups get stuff that we have also been pleading for.
Penalising the cops doesn't help anyone, it just makes everyone unhappy.
In MMO terms:
Don't nerf the cops down, buff the criminals up!
Suggest some decent "buffing up" update ideas which don't include silly things like rocket launchers, and I will help you
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"Moan" is an extremely unfair word.
I prefer "plea".
"give us this because they have it and we don't"
"Give us this because life is so unfair being a criminal"
"Give us this because it would make things more even and would decrease moaning"
"Give us this because it's more fair"
"Give us this since cops have this and we don't"
"Give us this because cops can do this and we can't"
'Give us this because cops get this and we get nothing"
Your right panda, you guys don't moan at all.
To my knowledge you all knew the differences of cops and criminals when you joined or formed your groups, nothing has changed at all regarding that really, besides drastically reduced gun prices (influenced by the moaning of criminal groups, what a surprise that you guys still moan)
Lately i've been a criminal on a daily basis, you know what? I don't have shit to moan about, cause everything that is, is everything that was, i know how to overcome obstacles. I choose not to act like a infant and sit there and do nothing.
Perhaps instead of moaning you should actually try something other then sitting on the ar complex roof killing cops for once, or something different from driving in your buffalo in the same path for an hour.
Deal But Please LETS NEVER GO BACK TO THAT!! The options above are Horrible and I never want to see then :cry:
If i recall you among several others are asking for argonath to returned to the old scripts, so why wouldn't this be implemented, this is exactly how it was back in the old days.
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Criminals should get different support, not the same thing (in the criminal way) cops get. Perhaps there should be another meeting between developers and criminal leaders to see what they come up with, without all the moaning and usual immature crap.
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Criminals should get different support, not the same thing (in the criminal way) cops get. Perhaps there should be another meeting between developers and criminal leaders to see what they come up with, without all the moaning and usual immature crap.
Thats been done before and it ended up burning in flames.
So far Criminals have suggest a structure like arpd, i don't think they realize they can do that on there own with this grand magical thing called imagination and RP.
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The basic idea of ARUN is to get the leaders of criminal groups involved in future designs of roles and ideas.
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Your right panda, you guys don't moan at all.
Too right there my man.
To my knowledge you all knew the differences of cops and criminals when you joined or formed your groups,
Correct.
nothing has changed at all regarding that really,
Which is the problem. Police scripts have evolved steadily whilst any such mention of criminal group support is as yet unseen. The only thing I see on the horizon is ARUN, but given the timing it is unlikely I will even be playing when it becomes workable and successful, which of course I hope it will.
besides drastically reduced gun prices (influenced by the moaning of criminal groups, what a surprise that you guys still moan)
Influenced by whatnow?
I always hear of this drastic reduction in gun prices, but perhaps I was not playing when it was done, since I honestly can't pinpoint such a thing. Sorry not meant as a bitch but.. I honestly don't know.
Lately i've been a criminal on a daily basis, you know what?
Oh, thats interesting actually. Which criminal group did you join, or did you make one?
I choose not to act like a infant
Evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps instead of moaning you should actually try something other then sitting on the ar complex roof killing cops for once, or something different from driving in your buffalo in the same path for an hour.
Perhaps if you could pull your head out of your own ass for just a moment you'd realise that all you see is that, you don't see any of the roleplay behind the scenes because frankly most of it is in interiors.
And nice poke at my buffalo driving there, do you expect me to be roleplaying a criminal all day? I go on to drive my buffalo and have a chat. I do not take roleplay seriously that often, my deepest apologies if "fun" offends you.
If i recall you among several others are asking for argonath to returned to the old scripts,
Well you clearly don't recall, since I never said that.
so why wouldn't this be implemented, this is exactly how it was back in the old days.
At risk of sounding cliche, the list does have more cop things added than criminal. Which would be fine, if I knew that criminal things were in the pipeline, on the drawing board, or whatever. I don't wish to remove anything from cops - that wouldn't help anyone. I merely wish that criminals also got cool stuff added.
Anyway: Out of that swampy affair and back to topic:
Suggest some decent "buffing up" update ideas which don't include silly things like rocket launchers, and I will help you
Well, just randomly off the top of my head:
- The ability to designate a house or business as a Group HQ.
- Permanent Vehicle spawns for designated groups
- Some designated criminal leaders who can deploy a rustler to counter the hydra.
- Unique interiors for designated groups with a lockable door that only that group can enter.
Dunno, that kind of thing I guess.
Criminals should get different support, not the same thing (in the criminal way) cops get. Perhaps there should be another meeting between developers and criminal leaders to see what they come up with, without all the moaning and usual immature crap.
I agree, though I don't really understand what you mean by the last part.
The basic idea of ARUN is to get the leaders of criminal groups involved in future designs of roles and ideas.
And I await any mention of ARUN for public working, since that is a very good idea.
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WTF Dude are you damn (&!@#^ ? Wtf, that is so unfair, wtf you've done to community?
No way i'm going back to SAMP ever after THIS AGAIN!!!
lol, respect david
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First i vas liek " Holy fuck!!!" and den i lol'd
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good idea i support
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deal david :neutral:
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I almost flipped until I read it all
This reminded me that nothing between RS3 and RS4 was added for criminal groups.
Seems you guys forget where the request to reduce weapon prices came from...
Where did the idea to /giveweapon came from....
Where did the idea for the whole escape system come from...
(and think about just HOW does the escape system help cops!!!)
Criminals had MUCH more impact than they are willing to believe, all to make it appear cop only...
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I almost flipped until I read it all
It's not in my nature to delete our (mainly your) work ;)
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Due to the fact that players have been complaining a lot lately about cops haven't more advantages than criminals and criminals having no rights, I would like to propose the following changes:
Criminals can not be unsuspected at all. If they get suspected, there is no escape, they will either be jailed or die.
Yes.
If a criminal is jailed then they will lose more money than if they are killed, so expect more criminals to die and lose money and weapons. I'm sure they'll like that.
No.
SWAT will not be given weapons by the government, neither will FBI or high ranking SAPD. They have to buy their own weapons for special operations.
No.
Suspects will no longer be allowed to hide in interiors.
No.
If a cop crashes or logs out, there is a very high chance that he gets the freecop skin and no weapons when he returns.
No.
/cuff will be bugged. If a suspect is cuffed, they are frozen and are dragged with the cop. If the cop drives, the suspect dies. Fun for everyone!
Yes, but only if cop drives away and suspect gets in the car.
SWAT will not have SWAT vehicles such as the enforcer or the raindances
No.
FBI will no longer have their vehicles like their raindances, but they can have the Federal Ranchers
No.
Fast cars like the bullet, super GT and infernus will be removed
No.
Suspects will be able to ride pedal bikes, making them close to invincible. I'm sure the cops will like that!
Yes.
Suspects will be able to ride trains and trams, ACTUALLY making them invincible. I'm sure the cops will LOVE that!
No.
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This sounds unfair, doesn't it? It sounds cruel, right? Well guess what, this is how things USED TO BE in RS3 so consider yourselves lucky that things are how they are now! Stop moaning!
I don't want to see any more discussion about cop and criminal advantages/disadvanages, it doesn't matter in the slightest who has the upper hand as you are NOT the only people in this community and we ALL KNOW IT!
I am willing to increase script support for both cops and criminals if you all stop moaning at each other. Deal?
Yes, this topic is a joke - but the message is clear, be grateful for what you have instead of moaning about what other people have
I know it's a joke, but stating which would be cool for advanced RP.
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Actually I consider "moan" as being fair in this context
Basically you're not exactly pleaing for what you don't have, you are moaning about what the cops have/what the cops are doing
Well, I, as a criminal am still waiting for an answer to Drug market Idea, what basically every criminal is waiting for and isn't moaning about what cops have.
My idea how the script would work: Everyweek, let's say Friday, from 20:00 CET- 22:00 CET there is a possibility for everybody to sell drugs to a script, to export the drugs out of San Andreas. The location will be announced only to the official mafias/gang leaders. The location is chosen randomly by script every week from these locations:
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u263/skkateorhabithat/sanandreas_map.jpg)
The minimum amount that anybody can sell to the script is 30 kg. And from there you can only sell round digits of drugs. so 30kg 40kg 50kg ( 30+10n) kg (n=1;2;3...).
The value of drugs depends on 3 aspects: which drug you are selling ( weed or heroin), how much are you selling, weekly fluctuation.
How much are you selling: example: if you sell 30kg of weed you get 35$/g(?) if you sell 40kg of weed you get 45$/g(?) and if you sell 50kg of weed you get 55$/g(?). If you sell more than 50 kg the amount per gram stays at 55$/g(?).
Weekly fluctuation: If the the sold drug mass exceeds a critical mass. The rates at which the script buys the drugs next week will drop down. Example: one week there is sold more then 100kg ( I am not aware how much is realistic) weed, then instead of 35$/g for 30kg, next week you get only 30$/g(?) for weed.
Also I suggest, that every 10kg of drugs selling, takes time 30 seconds.( Loading the the cargo on ship), so minimum time of selling is 1,5 minutes.
The idea would be actually first real opportunity to gain money by being a criminal, not from legal business like now. A lot of people are just waiting, will this be done, or even doable.
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RS3 :D Still remember the old SWAT budget cb held for us, good times, good times...
And I mean of course, yeah guys, learn to respect all of the time and effort these people waste out of their life to make this game more to your liking. It's really odd that there was less complaining back in RS3, and once people get nice things they just want more. :lol:
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I almost flipped until I read it all
1, Seems you guys forget where the request to reduce weapon prices came from...
2, Where did the idea to /giveweapon came from....
3, Where did the idea for the whole escape system come from...
(and think about just HOW does the escape system help cops!!!)
4, Criminals had MUCH more impact than they are willing to believe, all to make it appear cop only...
1, That doesn't only benefit criminals, it benefits cops, civilians... everyone... this was requested by a large majority of every faction.
2, Giveweapon also doesn't only benefit criminals, it's used by everyone.
3, We are very gratefull for this, and it is indeed a step in the right direction.
4, We know that what was done for us was a great improvement, but that still doesn't mean there isn't more work to be done.
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Romeo, you are correct in who it benefits, but cops could survive with high weapon prices as well as no ability to /giveweapon. Cops get issued weaponry, and do not need SMG, M4, combat, etc. We had to survive using our deagle and mac10 back in the day and purchase guns if we wanted them. Yet we did not need to purchase them.
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2, Giveweapon also doesn't only benefit criminals, it's used by everyone.
It enabled the criminals to manage a massive underground blackmarket that runs into hundreds of thousand of ammo passing around everyday. Even major criminal groups supply weapons to their associates for free.
The only source of weapons Cops get are government issued (/duty) and (/weaponequip), and to the invididual's need to purchase weapons/ armour through ammunation.
Don't whine when criminals actually have a big ass advantage over cops in terms of weapons. I'm not even surprised to have police officers fully equipped in cases, because they would never know if they would encounter someone who has enough ammo to start World War III..
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It enabled the criminals to manage a massive underground blackmarket that runs into hundreds of thousand of ammo passing around everyday. Even major criminal groups supply weapons to their associates for free.
The only source of weapons Cops get are government issued (/duty) and (/weaponequip), and to the invididual's need to purchase weapons/ armour through ammunation.
Don't whine when criminals actually have a big ass advantage over cops in terms of weapons. I'm not even surprised to have police officers fully equipped in cases, because they would never know if they would encounter someone who has enough ammo to start World War III..
World War III.5
:lol:
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Those helped out suspects and criminal players in general, but nothing was added for the criminal group as a *group*.
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This has been going on for 3 years.
I am weary.
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Funny David xD only thing I ask, is that cops must buy their own weapons at least and allow cops to load and store.
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Im not reading all replys here, but this topic just proves that people on top (david) doesnt understand difference between suspects (the ORANGEMAN) and Criminal groups (such as mafias).
its expected to be belived that mafia people are automatically suspects... its not good imo.
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I have one thing to say .... It is .... LOL!
Actualy you should add one thing : Cophunting will now be allowed, so will be full scale-gang war without validation and admins will be allowed to ban you because you wear the wrong shirt colour.
Cheers
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Ah, RS3... Good old days, good old days...
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RS3..birth of Gvardia no lag ever and more fairness.
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its expected to be belived that mafia people are automatically suspects... its not good imo.
Damn, this ^.
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Meh, us criminals have enough scripts if you ask me. Same thing for cops, just the usage of some scripts should be adjusted a bit.
Or made clear, since no one knew for 2 years that drive-by on a motorcycle was allowed for cops.
Same thing with other scripts probably.. all things should be made clear, and then we might suggest adding scripts.
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Meh, us criminals have enough scripts if you ask me. Same thing for cops, just the usage of some scripts should be adjusted a bit.
Or made clear, since no one knew for 2 years that drive-by on a motorcycle was allowed for cops.
Same thing with other scripts probably.. all things should be made clear, and then we might suggest adding scripts.
This is what we are trying for RS5.
First make clear what we want players to do as well as what players want, and then building the tools for it. While it may not be a lot of changes, making it based on a different strategy alone will cause it to be different from the current scripts, where ideas are added randomly.
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RS3..birth of Gvardia no lag ever.
u kidding right?
u remember those times when you drive on the street and on someone else's screen u just rammed into a bus which is now flying 100 feet away.
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Ahahah! After I read the half I started to think "there better be a this is a joke-line after this".
Anyway, for people who wants RS3 criminal/cop-system should have a great description of what it will mean when they are saying it.
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Meh, us criminals have enough scripts if you ask me.
Yes, including:
For the sake of my arguments I always consider "criminal" to be someone in a criminal group, since anyone else is just small time.
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Yes, including:
For the sake of my arguments I always consider "criminal" to be someone in a criminal group, since anyone else is just small time.
Well yes, a criminal is someone who is in a criminal group. Someone who gets wanted is just... well.. a wanted person.
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I actually really liked RS3 :(.
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/facepalm
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Dammit, thought this was for real man.. Wish'd it was..
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Yes, including:
For the sake of my arguments I always consider "criminal" to be someone in a criminal group, since anyone else is just small time.
I often refer people who roleplay drugsdealers/hitman and are often wanted, as criminal.
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For the sake of my arguments I always consider "criminal" to be someone in a criminal group, since anyone else is just small time.
Since you guys like to compare this to real life so often
The amount of criminals not in organized crime in the FBI database far outnumbers those in organized crime.
I am a criminal IG, you may not want to view me as one caus ei don't go around blasting cops every 5 secodns like some of you do, but I am a criminal regardless. There more crimes then just killing cops and dealing drugs.
As I stated before since you all like to compare this to real life, allow me to explain something else from real life, a real life criminal is heavily outmatched IRL, his resources are dwarfed by those of nearly any government at any time.
So really you guys got what you wanted, a real life server where everything is similar to real life, see how that worked out for yah?
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Romeo, you are correct in who it benefits, but cops could survive with high weapon prices as well as no ability to /giveweapon. Cops get issued weaponry, and do not need SMG, M4, combat, etc.
If you don't need it, why use it? Cops shouldn't be using an m4, combat, or SMG while on normal duty... only specialised forces should be allowed to use such weapons. I don't think i've ever seen a cop around where I live patrolling with a military issue shotgun.
I am a criminal IG, you may not want to view me as one caus ei don't go around blasting cops every 5 secodns like some of you do, but I am a criminal regardless. There more crimes then just killing cops and dealing drugs.
Not all criminals in criminal groups run around DMing cops, I've not beein a gunfight with a cop/group of cops in nearly a week. I use the /rhl system to do exactly what it was made for, escape... I don't plan on adding time to it by killing cops when it's un-needed. It's a waste of ammo and a waste of time, It also puts myself and my men in danger. Also, dealing drugs isn't even part of my family, sure we'll rob the odd low-life drug dealer but we deal mostly in legal business and arms trading.
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If you don't need it, why use it? Cops shouldn't be using an m4, combat, or SMG while on normal duty... only specialised forces should be allowed to use such weapons. I don't think i've ever seen a cop around where I live patrolling with a military issue shotgun.
Which they also buy with there own money just like criminals, so the issue with that is?
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Why is this a joke... I would honoustly very much like it as stated in the ''joke format''
If you don't need it, why use it? Cops shouldn't be using an m4, combat, or SMG while on normal duty... only specialised forces should be allowed to use such weapons. I don't think i've ever seen a cop around where I live patrolling with a military issue shotgun.
So you're saying cops shouldn't have comfortable weapons, but criminals should be in the allowance to have them just because you have never seen it IRL? This is Argonath, not real life...
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Eug RS3 had no lag dude, RS4 is what brought the major lag!
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Funny David xD only thing I ask, is that cops must buy their own weapons at least and allow cops to load and store.
Do you really think IRL Cops buy their own guns ? I bet your gonna start writing "This ain't and IRL Server, etc..." Well Then my good Sir, maybe we should add some pink flying horses and swords ? Your on a RP Server not a Team Deathmatch mate, You can't whine about cops being more overpowered. Why ? well let's see what they got when /duty, a Deagle with some ammo, Nitestick, Pepper Spray and for officers some SMG... I won a lotto once, 100k, I spent all that in 2 days because I had to buy Armour and M4 and combat every single day because I had 200 suspects running around With noobcannons and Ak's everywhere. There will be and has to be some Advantage to cops, you don't expect to be more overpowered and richer then the Bloody Government do ya ? Now since this is an RP Server, you should also see the good side of getting caught since its also abit of RP. I really hope this shit can come to a solution.
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If you don't need it, why use it? Cops shouldn't be using an m4, combat, or SMG while on normal duty... only specialised forces should be allowed to use such weapons. I don't think i've ever seen a cop around where I live patrolling with a military issue shotgun.
Not all criminals in criminal groups run around DMing cops, I've not beein a gunfight with a cop/group of cops in nearly a week. I use the /rhl system to do exactly what it was made for, escape... I don't plan on adding time to it by killing cops when it's un-needed. It's a waste of ammo and a waste of time, It also puts myself and my men in danger. Also, dealing drugs isn't even part of my family, sure we'll rob the odd low-life drug dealer but we deal mostly in legal business and arms trading.
Where I come from normal cops walk around with Kalashnikovs. And believe me everyone panics if they threaten to use them... as people believe half of them have no idea what that thing can de....
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Where I come from normal cops walk around with Kalashnikovs. And believe me everyone panics if they threaten to use them... as people believe half of them have no idea what that thing can de....
When I was on a field trip to St Petersburg I too saw Militias(cops) doing pullovers with Kalashnikov on them.
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Due to the fact that players have been complaining a lot lately about cops haven't more advantages than criminals and criminals having no rights, I would like to propose the following changes:
Read the WHOLE TOPIC before posting
Criminals can not be unsuspected at all. If they get suspected, there is no escape, they will either be jailed or die.
If a criminal is jailed then they will lose more money than if they are killed, so expect more criminals to die and lose money and weapons. I'm sure they'll like that.
SWAT will not be given weapons by the government, neither will FBI or high ranking SAPD. They have to buy their own weapons for special operations.
Suspects will no longer be allowed to hide in interiors.
If a cop crashes or logs out, there is a very high chance that he gets the freecop skin and no weapons when he returns.
/cuff will be bugged. If a suspect is cuffed, they are frozen and are dragged with the cop. If the cop drives, the suspect dies. Fun for everyone!
SWAT will not have SWAT vehicles such as the enforcer or the raindances
FBI will no longer have their vehicles like their raindances, but they can have the Federal Ranchers
Fast cars like the bullet, super GT and infernus will be removed
Suspects will be able to ride pedal bikes, making them close to invincible. I'm sure the cops will like that!
Suspects will be able to ride trains and trams, ACTUALLY making them invincible. I'm sure the cops will LOVE that!
This sounds unfair, doesn't it? It sounds cruel, right? Well guess what, this is how things USED TO BE in RS3 so consider yourselves lucky that things are how they are now! Stop moaning!
I don't want to see any more discussion about cop and criminal advantages/disadvanages, it doesn't matter in the slightest who has the upper hand as you are NOT the only people in this community and we ALL KNOW IT!
I am willing to increase script support for both cops and criminals if you all stop moaning at each other. Deal?
Yes, this topic is a joke - but the message is clear, be grateful for what you have instead of moaning about what other people have
wow i didn't notice all this in RS3 a/w 75% of the updates was done for cops... i like RS3 :)
and ty dave for the update you are right i stop moan :D
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Pre-RS4....
Good days, actually. Had some very interesting cop-RPs...
Yeah, shoot the black guy with an orange name above it's head after a long chase in the desert.
... For the love of God, stop with this "moaning" word!
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The only reason why I don't play on Argonath is simply because some people, including a few in the administration, call me a moaner when I post new ideas that would benefit Argonath as a whole. These people find a hard time argumenting their opinion on the subject, but are always attacking me. The point being, I feel the administration has been lacking in punishing the actual moaners. Like Louis van Gaal said: "Am I the one who's so smart, or are you so dumb?" Something tells me this will never change.
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I agree i was there also when this scripts weren't here.. suspects could ride bikes and do not die..
I think they shouldnt moan about advantages because before it was worse so don't moan about it!
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I think they shouldnt moan about advantages because before it was worse so don't moan about it!
The cops had a marginal advantage before, and it was worse for criminals than now, sure. However, the money they made got nerfed (which was bad for criminals, since we could no longer do monthly cop cycles to fund our groups) whilst a lot else got buffed.
Suspects got a few nice things.
Criminal groups have not yet been given any dedicated notice.
Summary of my overall opinion right there.
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So cop's get even more advantage's?
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So cop's get even more advantage's?
If you did not understand it now, then try smoke a spliff and re-read the entire topic and see if you once again might understand the point of this :).
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Yes, this topic is a joke - but the message is clear, be grateful for what you have instead of moaning about what other people have
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Since you guys like to compare this to real life so often
The amount of criminals not in organized crime in the FBI database far outnumbers those in organized crime.
I am a criminal IG, you may not want to view me as one caus ei don't go around blasting cops every 5 secodns like some of you do, but I am a criminal regardless. There more crimes then just killing cops and dealing drugs.
As I stated before since you all like to compare this to real life, allow me to explain something else from real life, a real life criminal is heavily outmatched IRL, his resources are dwarfed by those of nearly any government at any time.
So really you guys got what you wanted, a real life server where everything is similar to real life, see how that worked out for yah?
Dude, what are you even talking about? Quote me somewhere where I say I want anything to be like real life, or where Panda says that. You're just putting words in our mouth and basing a poorly constructed arguement fueled by rage, and no insightful points, on things we don't even believe.
We know there are more crimes than drug dealing and killing cops, but we do our jobs so well that you never see any of them.
Please, just read THIS (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=54454.msg767935#msg767935) post, I think you'll understand it, and maybe even see where I am coming from.
Why are you even arguing in this discussion. You are on neither side. You're just some guy in the middle, who comes in and argues against the criminal side.
That leads me believe you want something from the community. Perhaps you want to look cool defending the cops? Or gain recognition from the developers, who have over the years come to know you as the very thing you are pretending to argue against?
I don't know your motives, but when you start asskissing, like you are doing right now, I know you want something. It's a good thing I don't take you seriously anymore. I just think such mindless chatter and stupidity doesn't belong in an environment where things are to be resolved, and not aggravated.
You are an instigator, and nothing more.
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posting without having read the first post
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It's ironic, whenever I pointed out the exact same things as those listed in the first post, people would try to silence and label me as biased and a moaner.
Awesome one, David. :D
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Lol, this reminds me of the days as a freecop in a security guard skin as well as the good old Trobbi the drug dealer :).
A good technique to counter those damned moaners, David :).
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It's ironic, whenever I pointed out the exact same things as those listed in the first post, people would try to silence and label me as biased and a moaner.
Awesome one, David. :D
No suprise to me that you don't have a clue what the real reasons are that you're labelled that way. I only told you a million times. You're so egocentric and you don't realize it. That's why I feel sorry for you. This is once again, one of the many ungrounded and propably succesfull attempts to suck up to the administration.
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No suprise to me that you don't have a clue what the real reasons are that you're labelled that way. I only told you a million times. You're so egocentric and you don't realize it. That's why I feel sorry for you. This is once again, one of the many ungrounded and propably succesfull attempts to suck up to the administration.
I don't kiss anyone's ass or suck up to them, if you don't want to believe it then that is your problem, but if you will throw bullshit at me then it would be better if you just stay silent.
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Well david i will be honest, before i read that sentence because this is joke i said , i am sure they wont do this because they will loose many players... And David i will deal about this, but i never moaned about cops i just moaning why they moan :D
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I don't kiss anyone's ass or suck up to them, if you don't want to believe it then that is your problem, but if you will throw bullshit at me then it would be better if you just stay silent.
Maybe you dont mean to kiss anyones ass, but I am sure that there are mulitply people that sees it as you are sucking up for the administration ass, including me..
I'm just beeing honest with ya.
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Maybe you dont mean to kiss anyones ass, but I am sure that there are mulitply people that sees it as you are sucking up for the administration ass, including me..
I'm just beeing honest with ya.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I'm fine with it as long as they don't start personal attacks. I just happen to possess the same views as certain well-known admins regarding ideas like "IC/OOC", brackets, removal-of-radar-blips, and other things.
I don't really have anything as well to gain by asskissing, since I'm pretty much content with what I've done in =AV=, FBI, and Kolta. About all of the things that David posted in this topic were already things that me and other people who are against the moaners, have been previously posting about it, so it shouldn't surprise many people that I agreed with the topic.
There are certain things though I disagree with as well, such as the complete removal of darkblue names (back in the day, you earned respect along with it, since it wasn't easy to get a darkblue name), but I don't talk about it since it's already permanent. I only spend my breath on things that can still be changed. :)
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Thank you for this, David. I clearly understand now that we are lucky.
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Suggestion: Remove /su and blips on map
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Suggestion: Remove /su and blips on map
Remove /su, Let's remove cops aswell ?
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Remove /su, Let's remove cops aswell ?
Argonath's Best Criminal '07 - Argonath's Best Criminal Shooter '08 & Argonath's 2nd Best Criminal Dealer 08
Hope that explains why NitrOx suggested that, eheh.
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As good as the lack of a /su command is, it is not compatible with Argonath - due to us having freecops. This is not true of where NitrOx got the idea.