Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Community => News and Announcements => Topic started by: Tai on March 22, 2011, 05:36:35 pm
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Yes, you read correct.
Giac gave up which was his right in fact, since we don't force him. The checks on the invalid voters has been checked by Managers who found it as true.
Since it is actually a cause of the SA:MP community, the most Managers decided the Oscars will take place in our community and DON'T get cancelled cause of a disaster in the San Andreas Multiplayer section.
The responsible groups who caused it should touch their nose and admit they are the reason of the fight, since all did jump on only one person. Therefore the Ceremonie on SA:MP IS CANCELED. It will not held, not even counted this year.
All other servers can be happy: The Ceremonies and Awards already gets prepared. It does include MTA:VC, VC:MP, MTA:SA, SA:MP STUNT, and IV:MP!
As the subject already says they will take place on the 2nd of April 2011. Be prepared for a time around 20:00-22:00 Central European Time.
Kind Regards,
Frodo
:ps: Should anyone start to fight with me or any Manager of the necessary of that decision, he will get a proper Punishment. Especially since I know it will be any Group member, who caused it. Sometime you should just admit your faults and just leave it be instead of witch hunting.
I am aware that some of you are sad, thank the groups for their nice words to Giac.
All times depends on previous Ceremonie!
MTA:VC 20:00
VC:MP 20:30
IV:MP 21:00
Stunt 23:00 - Ceremonie Canceled, Lack of Votes in the Polls. Awards will be given though!
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alright, good luck everyone in other servers! :)
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I'm happy to hear that this is still gonna happend. :)
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Great
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Unfortunate news but it is for the better I guess. I hope this will be a lesson to those which caused these actions to be taken.
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Thank you, whoever had to moan.
Good news, Tai. Contact me if you need any help regarding the oscars :)
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Well, we'll always have next year, SA:MP :)
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Thank you, whoever had to moan.
Good news, Tai.
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Sad ... Very Sad.Though it's the fault of ourselves.
Good luck for all the ones being votable :)
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Good decision Tai, hopefully it will be better next year!
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Good decision Tai, hopefully it will be better next year!
Hopefully people just stop cheating :)
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Hopefully people just stop cheating :)
Exactly my point ;)
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what about the Stunt section ? ... :trust:
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what about the Stunt section ? ... :trust:
All other servers can be happy: The Ceremonies and Awards already gets prepared. It does include MTA:VC, VC:MP, MTA:SA, SA:MP STUNT, and IV:MP!
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hmm good news .-. and some bad for sa mp due. but well there comes a Chance next year :)
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Hopefully people just stop cheating :)
They will never stop ;) you can do everything but nothing will stop them
Like In Game, Cheating = ban, and now you can see that others still cheat
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They will never stop ;) you can do everything but nothing will stop them
Like In Game, Cheating = ban, and now you can see that others still cheat
Wasn't you one of the few that actually cheated?
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My most sincere apologies and utmost respect to Frodo and his requests, but I dislike the fact that the groups involved have done nothing wrong in regards to the oscar awards, yet they are still being pushed with it. To me, this seems like a blunt display of disrespect and basically a giant "HAHA FUCK YOU" to them. They are under the absolute impression that they did nothing wrong, and all of their requests for something to prove that they did something wrong were ignored.
Yes, I am a group member. In fact, a leader. I have done private internal investigations and have come out clean. If it is 100% true that managers have declared the invalid voters true, I'd like to speak with one regarding my group. Should they come forth with convicting statements, I will forever quiet down and call for a meeting with the other leaders of my group to surrender the official status of the said group.
Again, with my most sincere apologies and utmost respect to Frodo's requests. This is a mannered objection and has no intent to reek havoc all over the place. The implications in the original post appear to point out falsified flaws under an unreasonable cause for belief. Please avoid making this post into something it is not, such as a heated argument.
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When are the Nobels' ?
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yaay MTASA :D
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what about the Stunt section ? ... :trust:
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Well, the groups that worked hard were looking forward to winning and receiving an award, along with other individuals, and all of a sudden a hypocrite comes along and accuses the others for cheating. The "cheaters" asked for evidence for a while and received no response and yet they turn out as the bad guys. All that would of have to been done is for the person in charge of the whole thing was to show the evidence, and then the ones that were legal (Not saying anyone was actually a cheater) would of been able to continue in the voting. Don't blame the people being involved about the awards, but the incapability of choosing someone who can handle doing the job, and not provoking/trolling the group(s) after wards.
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what about the Stunt section ? ... :trust:
All other servers can be happy: The Ceremonies and Awards already gets prepared. It does include MTA:VC, VC:MP, MTA:SA, SA:MP STUNT, and IV:MP!
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Can you use one Disc for two computers?
I have a brother who would want to use IV:MP too
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I'm sad as for GiacJr, but really happy that I won't have the most unlucky admin award....(Which I might've won, and that'd not be nice for my self..) :lol:
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What we can learn from this is every action has its consequences, had we just been patient and polite these extreme action would not have been taken. Afterall wrongs were made by both parties.
On the upside for those parties who would like to count the vote themself and see the end result, i guess this is your chance.
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They will never stop ;) you can do everything but nothing will stop them
Like In Game, Cheating = ban, and now you can see that others still cheat
Hey [WS]James_Bond
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People such as Antonio who ruined the Oscars should be utterly ashamed of their reckless and inconsiderate actions.
The verdict has been given, and the results Giac concluded have been proven by the Managers as well. I would find it foolish to question that collective decision.
I would like to give a big kudos to GiacJr for all his hard work. He had nothing much to gain out of it, yet he carried on anyways.
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There has been an oscar award ceremony every year since I can remember.
Whoever fucked this up has done something seriously retarded, and disappointed me quite a bit. I'm not pointing any fingers, but I am definitely not happy.
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Each year the same moaning, actually it had to end up this way once.
Hope next year will be worth twice!
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Each year the same moaning, actually it had to end up this way once.
Hope next year will be worth twice!
Last year it almost got canceled because everybody were like "vote for me!" "I pay you $10k if you vote for me" "Vote for me I vote for you". I'm not happy this year isn't any different.
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ALRIGHT lets rock in IV:MP!
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I don't see why you just don't cancel it forever, it's useless.
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I'll be attending to the VC:MP Ceremony for sure.
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Well, dunno why managers let the minority ruin it for the majority.
And so those who are feeling bitter about being DQed/ the cheaters etc... whats to stop them from doing it next year and ruining it for everyone else? Nothing, because worst that will happen to them, is that it gets cancelled, which has no effect on cheaters anyway since they were probably DQed.
Sorry for being cynical here. But it seems that SA:MP, the largest community by far, is being left out for another reason - because nobody could be bothered to count the votes. Since they are not counted, it means Giac did not count them, and if this was the case, why wasn't it resolved earlier rather than leaving it 2 months then go "err, sorry do not have time to count the votes"? and then suprise... its cancelled.
I think this could have been solved really easily. If the thread was moderated by a forum moderator as it should be (forum mods all inactive), then a lot of the crap stirred up could have been avoided, and those who were causing trouble would have been punished.
Same with any other events, even ingame events. Some cheater cheats, some hacker ruins... not once have I thought "god damn I will cancel the event now!". Just seems lazy. Just carry on, or start again. Not a big deal.
As for Giac handling it. I am very appreciative for him taking on the challenge, but since he is completely inactive in the community it is difficult to support him, but also difficult to see what work he actually did.
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Making a big hoo hah over nothing. There are others who would happily volunteer to count the votes.
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This is why we can't have nice things. :neutral:
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Isn't it possible to ask ANYONE on Argonath to count the ones for SA:MP? So instead of cancelling it we could still have it, but maybe drop the ceremony? Atleast there would not be that much moaning. In my opinion, one of those who plan or who has already moaned about it not being in SAMP, would be perfect examples to count them since they seem to be the ones that is the most interested in it. I myself wont care to much even if I had a lot of votes on "Funniest Officer". Just a suggestion though.
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Well, dunno why managers let the minority ruin it for the majority.
And so those who are feeling bitter about being DQed/ the cheaters etc... whats to stop them from doing it next year and ruining it for everyone else? Nothing, because worst that will happen to them, is that it gets cancelled, which has no effect on cheaters anyway since they were probably DQed.
Sorry for being cynical here. But it seems that SA:MP, the largest community by far, is being left out for another reason - because nobody could be bothered to count the votes. Since they are not counted, it means Giac did not count them, and if this was the case, why wasn't it resolved earlier rather than leaving it 2 months then go "err, sorry do not have time to count the votes"? and then suprise... its cancelled.
I think this could have been solved really easily. If the thread was moderated by a forum moderator as it should be (forum mods all inactive), then a lot of the crap stirred up could have been avoided, and those who were causing trouble would have been punished.
Same with any other events, even ingame events. Some cheater cheats, some hacker ruins... not once have I thought "god damn I will cancel the event now!". Just seems lazy. Just carry on, or start again. Not a big deal.
As for Giac handling it. I am very appreciative for him taking on the challenge, but since he is completely inactive in the community it is difficult to support him, but also difficult to see what work he actually did.
Not all Forum mods are inactive, but thats another discussion....
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Maybe we can has votes again!? :D
Maybe next year it can be handled differently, I pmed Giac lots of suggestions, he said he will use them next year, but I dunno, I know many resources / improvements in this area.
Well, dunno why managers let the minority ruin it for the majority.
And so those who are feeling bitter about being DQed/ the cheaters etc... whats to stop them from doing it next year and ruining it for everyone else? Nothing, because worst that will happen to them, is that it gets cancelled, which has no effect on cheaters anyway since they were probably DQed.
Sorry for being cynical here. But it seems that SA:MP, the largest community by far, is being left out for another reason - because nobody could be bothered to count the votes. Since they are not counted, it means Giac did not count them, and if this was the case, why wasn't it resolved earlier rather than leaving it 2 months then go "err, sorry do not have time to count the votes"? and then suprise... its cancelled.
I think this could have been solved really easily. If the thread was moderated by a forum moderator as it should be (forum mods all inactive), then a lot of the crap stirred up could have been avoided, and those who were causing trouble would have been punished.
Same with any other events, even ingame events. Some cheater cheats, some hacker ruins... not once have I thought "god damn I will cancel the event now!". Just seems lazy. Just carry on, or start again. Not a big deal.
As for Giac handling it. I am very appreciative for him taking on the challenge, but since he is completely inactive in the community it is difficult to support him, but also difficult to see what work he actually did.
No you're inactive.
Last year it almost got canceled because everybody were like "vote for me!" "I pay you $10k if you vote for me" "Vote for me I vote for you". I'm not happy this year isn't any different.
According to something the owners said somewhere for the new players - like a guide when you first start here:
"You are living in a corrupt city."
So why did everyone forget this
I don't see why you just don't cancel it forever, it's useless.
Maybe same can be said about you and what you just posted!! :devroll:
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Lol Monte.
Anyway, my point about forum moderators in this case inparticular, was there was insufficient moderation that was one of the things that allowed the situation to get out of hand.
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I will only post one reply here on the topic. 58th (SSC) Conecta is also closed by the time I'm writing this, and I am no longer a part of that group I once made.
We asked for evidence for basically a month, and it's remarkable that we yet haven't seen any evidence concerning this matter.
I don't care anymore, really. But it's still very unilateral to obscure something regarding our own groups. The thing that got me mad was the careless attitude from GiacJr, and the incapability to show us the evidence we asked for.
The Awards should go on, just delete our group from it. That will make every part happy. It's completely natural to start an argumentation regarding the disqualification. It's like getting beaten up, for no reason. So I don't why people are punishing everyone for it.
The verdict has been given, and the results Giac concluded have been proven by the Managers as well. I would find it foolish to question that collective decision.
Give it a break already.
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Also; with my hand on my heart - I am sincerely sorry and extremely shamefaced for causing something disparaging for SA:MP. I will unquestionably be apologetic for a long time onwards.
First and last post.
Sincerely, David.
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I don't see why you just don't cancel it forever, it's useless.
Tradition, tradition and tradition :) Those Awards are here since Argonath is. Thats why they are still yearly. Next year is the 5th Argonathian Birthday, therefore also the 5th Oscar Awards. I hope deeply everyone will keep the rules of Voting.
@ Que, I understand your point Giac ain't innocent, and for the fairness I should actually admit that I know it as well. But since you are a bunch of players with quiet a lot members, I would say that the biggest part of the group would keep those back who are acting the same way. You should stand up as group, if the rest does fool around you might hold them back. So if you get me wrong, you should understand now that I espected a bit more competence about criticize and the moan waves against Giac. I know Giac for a long time, I know how he acts and it's not always right. In the end hes one who got balls and doesn't let hisself down fastly and from what I see it still just happened.
So still if all may now drop the critic anyways. It's been decided, I am free if you want to discuss it. As long it is as calm as in here atm.
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Thank you for being sincere, mature and prominent while you answered. That's just something we have been asking for.
Good luck with the Awards.
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It's good this tradition of the most popular players has been canceled, as it was all aimed on the possibility to get an award (does not even matter what for).
But now it means that I asked for votes for nothing...damn (joking ;P)
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So its wholy canceled?
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So its wholy canceled?
No. The Oscar Awards are being organized like announced on the first post.
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Tradition, tradition and tradition :) Those Awards are here since Argonath is.
So if its a tradition why is it canceled so easily letting the minority ruin for the majority. This is excatly what they wanted for it to be canceled and it looks like they succeeded. If anything SAMP is the largest community in Argonath and should be the last to be canceled, quite frankly i strongly agree with Jcstodds post, it completely makes sense and speaks in volume.
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So if its a tradition why is it canceled so easily letting the minority ruin for the majority. This is excatly what they wanted for it to be canceled and it looks like they succeeded. If anything SAMP is the largest community in Argonath and should be the last to be canceled, quite frankly i strongly agree with Jcstodds post, it completely makes sense and speaks in volume.
I don't see your point why SA:MP should be the last one. Argonath isn't seeking for shitloads of players, it is searching for regular and loyal players. SA:MP players are just many players, just a few of them are the real loyal and regular ones. At the end all servers has the same priority in our traditions, especially if it's about the first time the new servers participated.
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People such as Antonio who ruined the Oscars should be utterly ashamed of their reckless and inconsiderate actions.
Antonio did nothing; the evidence against him was faked. Yes, I have proof of this.
It's nice to have a not-heated discussion in this topic regarding a subject that could easily set anyone off. And I realize many of you are rather disappointed at the outcome of this, but please realize that as prideful human beings, we will not cower down and take every blow. We will rise to our feet and stand as who we are. We will not fall to something as eternal-but-weak as the current situation is on this day. If we were to be knowingly guilty, we would never have made a big deal over anything. Many people fail to realize this. Many people fail to realize we will not rise to fall again, but we fall to rise again. And until I get what I want from managers, until the day where my group shall surrender their official status for cheating if genuinely convicted of so, and lastly, until the day the prime evil that stands before us falls to its knees, we will not fall to our knees and cry a thousand songs of guilt of a false crime.
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I don't see your point why SA:MP should be the last one. Argonath isn't seeking for shitloads of players, it is searching for regular and loyal players. SA:MP players are just many players, just a few of them are the real loyal and regular ones. At the end all servers has the same priority in our traditions, especially if it's about the first time the new servers participated.
You completly missed the point and took one word out of context.
The point is a tradition is not abonded so easily, matterfact every decision in the abonding of a tradition must be scrutinised. If the few can make such a big impact that a tradition is easily abonded imagine what else can happen.
The point is few are ruining it for the majority and we are easily giving up. I mean what is the whole big drama here. Why the controvsery? If the guy choosen to lead the project is found unfit then a new one should simply replace him. Also the matter went to far and no admin got involved int he other topic where insults and accusation were flying both ways.
I also have the gut feeling that this topic is a public stunt to see how the players react to the cancelation of the awards. If we are mature and show loyality maybe they will bring it back or that my gut feeling is wrong and it is really canceled. Lets thread carefully people.
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Hey [WS]James_Bond
SavioR isn't [WS]James_Bon/[WS]Huskar_Kolta. Have a nice day!
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SavioR isn't [WS]James_Bon/[WS]Huskar_Kolta. Have a nice day!
This.
Well, better luck next year :D
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Hey [WS]James_Bond
I don't know why you are spreading false information about that you can be punished for that, there are real life friends who play on argonath and know me and my brother so you can do everything and talk everything.
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Well, in my view it would be better to cancel oscars ceremony at all :) Thoose who ruined it, should get a community-ban, as community-wide event was ruined. Thanks guys..
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Good to see that things will go on, but sad for the SA:MP community I guess.
Too bad a few of the "bad" players in Argonath are having such a negative effect on the rest.
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The said players had every right to react as they did. You try to hold your balls together when you're accused and convicted of something you never did, and everyone thinks you did it when you really didn't. It's frustrating as hell.
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The only thing I'd say; Karma is a biatch..
And I think a 'Thank you' to GiacJr is in place, because he lead everything in (more or less) good ways, and he already did some of the counting. Just like the previous years.
Thank you, Giac!
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Obvious troll is obvious. One, stop riding Giac's dick, because it is obvious he wasn't innocent, as Tai already pointed out. Two, my evidence was faked, as Leon has evidence of that already. So just f**k off, and live up to your "JUST RP IT" attitude.
Nothing is going to change the fact that the fault belongs to unappreciative people like Antonio who blew up a shitstorm, thus cancelling it for SAMP. Flame all you want and enjoy being laughed at when you get banned again, but the fault will still be yours.
Enough with the provoking from BOTH of you, disrespect like this is what caused the Oscars for the SA:MP part of the Community to be shut down,
If you both wish to continue like this it will more than likely be shut down for future years. If you both wish to continue bickering, take it to PM.
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Nothing is going to change the fact that the fault belongs to unappreciative people like Antonio who blew up a shitstorm, thus cancelling it for SAMP.
Unappreciative in what way?
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My face when people aren't looking at the cause of the problem and are only looking at the victims of it, and their reactions, Antonio in this case.
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I suggest that SAMP can still have the Admin category awards.
Coz the admins definitely didnt cheated......better something than nothing :)
Or maybe just cancel those categories which have been accused of cheating.
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Those who are going, see you guys at the VCMP ceremony
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It's got a time set up, where is the ceremony going to be led?
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My suggestion is to re-make the voting.
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My suggestion is to re-make the voting.
Need someone to volenteer to count it all though thats the problem.
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Need someone to volenteer to count it all though thats the problem.
I sent a message to Tai.
I'm available to do it.
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Need someone to volenteer to count it all though thats the problem.
That is not a problem at all. There are plenty of people willing to count the votes. Beside Roman, also I am willing to count the votes.
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And to see if no one will cheat?
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Heck, even I'll do it.
All you need is someone fair and impartial to do it this time, who will be open about the voting procedure, counting and disqualifications.
Any supposed evidence for disqualified parties should be presented to said parties to prevent a repeat of this round of voting.
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I could do it too.
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I assume the half of the community would do it, but I guess it won't happen till next year.
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I can help with IV:MP section!
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I can anticipate refined cheating strategies and multiple tallies showing a diverse range of votes, for some reason.
The decision should be left to the Owners.
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Even I could do it, but I would be too involved in the whole situation. I would appreciate if someone neutral counted the votes, if it's even going to happen. But the only thing I demand to see is the evidence against Gvardia and 58th. Sounds like a fair deal, then there will be no arguments either.
Heck, even I'll do it.
I could do it too.
Some of these maybe.
But well, that's up to the managers/owners to decide, same goes with this whole scenario.
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Would be more accurate to let several independent people to count the votes and then have someone compare. Then any cheating attempts would be obvious. Also reduces any errors.
Also after next week, I will have spare time to count votes. Chances are though, would put Management/ leadership in difficult situation to go "Yeah sorry, ok, we will carry on with SA:MP awards" which will bring in more questioning of their authority which may cause more trouble down the line.
So I reckon there will be no recount, revote, and Management will unfortunately standby their decision.
If you are reading this far, I would hope you read my previous post regarding this decision too.
We can only Hope the Nobel Awards run more smoothly. Also a positive point, I think the forum award system (on profile) was recently fixed as I noticed a few weeks ago they were not working.
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Sorry once again for causing this for SA:MP, but it wouldn't had happen if it was done in the right way.
My apologizes.
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IV:MP MTA:VC and Stunt Awards are already cleared. The other sections are beeing checked by some Managers this year.
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All you need is someone fair and impartial to do it this time, who will be open about the voting procedure, counting and disqualifications.
Any supposed evidence for disqualified parties should be presented to said parties to prevent a repeat of this round of voting.
Exactly.
The only reason why Gvardia and 58th were disqualified was because we voted for each other. Based on that, the hint came that we were cheating - of course, without any evidence such as us agreeing on voting for each other, or any other things like that. Why did almost all members of each group do that? Well, the reason behind that is something that you, the reader, will be unlikely to understand, but hoping for the best, I shall explain.
Que is somebody Cofiliano highly respects. Que is not Serbian or Greek, so his race has no influence on that. I also have a high amount of respect towards him. Que is someone a lot of our members look up to. Now, even I know, this would incline us to cheat, HOWEVER... we didn't.
58th and Gvardia also have a steel bridge between one another. A lot of their members go to us, as our members go to them. No problems are really in between. If a previous member of Gvardia was applying for 58th, someone like Que can assume that if they were good enough for Gvardia, they're good enough for 58th. Same with us, vice versa. That steel bridge is there partially because 58th takes their time to come from Los Santos to San Fierro, JUST to roleplay with us. For that reason, we have a very high respect for them as a highly roleplay-oriented group.
Gvardia has done so much for 58th out of pure love. Not necessarily anything that will extend to this day and still be felt or seen. The same concept goes for 58th for Gvardia. Because Que has a rather high amount of patience, virtues that some of our leaders (including myself) could use more of, we may recommend 58th to the new guys to help them acquire their roleplay skills, seeing as 58th's sole purpose is for roleplay. Their sole purpose being roleplay is one key of why we voted for them as the best roleplay group. They made it absolutely clear and obvious that their main goal was to roleplay. There was, without a doubt in our members' minds, that they are mainly roleplay. It's just impossible to not know after a little bit of being in Gvardia, whether we tell you directly or indirectly, or if you find out yourself. Gvardia also makes it very obvious to 58th that we are a generally oriented criminal group. We show that we do business, both legal and illegal, have (VERY) large scale wars over disputes, own territory/territories clearly known as Gvardia's ("Gvardia HQ," "Gvardia Hotel"), participate in strictly underground criminal stuff, and a whole bunch of other crap. To anyone who has been in 58th for a decent time, not knowing that is like a sin. We do business and strictly criminal underground tasks the most efficiently and most often. No, kidnaps, robberies, and murder do not count as "strictly criminal underground." Outside of that, our members are strictly disciplined. Yes, we know a lot of our members get away with misbehaving, but that's because the general public fails to submit anything convicting and incriminating to have us punish them. And when we do find out about anything that someone did wrong, they can expect harsh punishment. You can call it cruel or whatever, but that's how you get the most discipline out of members. Those who admit their wrong-doings the earliest get the lightest punishment. If we have to find out ourselves, you can expect big punishment.
Now, since the leaders of Gvardia have such a high amount of respect for Que, Gvardia has a high amount of respect for 58th, 58th has a high amount of respect for Gvardia, and Que has a high amount of respect for our leaders, sure, you'd expect us to pass on votes to each other with mutual agreement, like "hey, get your group to vote for mine, and i'll vote for yours" No, we would not. For one, both of us have way more respect and dignity than that. For two, considering the fact that 58th reveals themselves as mostly roleplay and Gvardia reveals themselves as criminal syndicate/group/whatever, the high amount of respect between both groups, and the steel bridge in between us, we're going to vote for each other whether we agree or not. It would be a worthless effort to try to get an agreement to vote for each other between both groups, because, either way, we're already going to vote for each other.
We were under the belief that each group deserves a reward corresponding to their primary goal as a group; in this case, Gvardia as a criminal group and 58th as a roleplay oriented criminal group. 58th damn well deserves that award they were originally going to get. I couldn't give two shits if they didn't win some god-damned e-award. I give ten million shits that Que's efforts are all gone down to the lowest of all low vomit-shit mixture flooded hellholes. And Que gives ten million shits that my, Eugene's, Tommy's (previous leader during some period of 2010), and most certainly Cofiliano's efforts were also all damned down to the lowest of all low vomit-shit mixture flooded hellholes. We might as well have had the whole entire server stand in a circle around us while we were on their knees, with their dicks hanging out of their pants and pissing on every little minuscule hair, skin flake, and parts, screaming as they pissed, "HAHA ALL YOUR WORK GONE TO WASTE YOU ASSHOLES! HAHAHA!"
Gvardia and 58th probably had the damn tightest relationship between each other; a relationship that is, was, and will not be seen between any other two groups, ever in the entire life span of Argonath. It's truly a shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize this simple fact. It's a damn shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize the correlation between respect, effort, and reward. And finally, it's a damn shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize not only the importance of having dignity and respect, but also, how surprisingly unallocated those with dignity and respect are. Perhaps one day, all of you on the opposing side, the evil side, will realize that you broke the hearts of two of the closest brothers to ever be seen on the face of Argonath. Argonath... she will not give birth to any other two brothers that will be the same.
It is truly... a damn shame indeed...
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Why can the proof not be even sent to the groups accused?
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People such as Antonio who ruined the Oscars should be utterly ashamed of their reckless and inconsiderate actions.
The verdict has been given, and the results Giac concluded have been proven by the Managers as well. I would find it foolish to question that collective decision.
I would like to give a big kudos to GiacJr for all his hard work. He had nothing much to gain out of it, yet he carried on anyways.
Oh my god. This ignorance made me crack up. Seriously it did.
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I don't understand how awards can be given this year to players on different servers who got just one vote or just a few votes ... How can it even be called votes and people get awarded for it??... I believe it lost all faith, trust and honor completely..
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the world is corrupt, even on games.
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the world is corrupt, even on games.
There is still "a world" in a game. ;)
I also agree that the material evidence against the above mentioned groups should be presented.
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I don't understand how awards can be given this year to players on different servers who got just one vote or just a few votes ... How can it even be called votes and people get awarded for it??... I believe it lost all faith, trust and honor completely..
Why the hell did we have Giacjr...of all people...working on the votes? Seriously that was the first mistake. Should have left it to TeaM to count or something, makes more sense since they are more neutral and actually are responsible people.
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I also agree that the material evidence against the above mentioned groups should be presented.
Yea and if people in real life gave up as much as people in this community do, our society would be still getting out of the Dark Ages.
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Why the hell did we have Giacjr...of all people...working on the votes? Seriously that was the first mistake. Should have left it to TeaM to count or something, makes more sense since they are more neutral and actually are responsible people.
Exactly. GiacJr hates Gvardia's guts (speaking both from experience and second-hand accounts). Not only that, GiacJr either likes you or fucking hates your guts, there is no in between. With all due respect as well, Giac is somewhat known to handle things irrationally.
I completely agree with the thing you said about TeaM. They're very humble people (no ego they rely on) and are friendly no matter what.
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I don't understand how awards can be given this year to players on different servers who got just one vote or just a few votes ... How can it even be called votes and people get awarded for it??... I believe it lost all faith, trust and honor completely..
Huh, what do you mean? The awards for players on ''different servers'' would be given even if SA:MP was not ''disqualified''..
And i can offer myself to help with VC:MP side of the oscars, if needed.
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Huh, what do you mean? The awards for players on ''different servers'' would be given even if SA:MP was not ''disqualified''..
And i can offer myself to help with VC:MP side of the oscars, if needed.
Come on man...lets have Giacjr do it for VC:MP as well. Maybe he will find 'proof' that people there bought votes too. ;)
Joking of course.
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Exactly. GiacJr hates Gvardia's guts (speaking both from experience and second-hand accounts). Not only that, GiacJr either likes you or f**king hates your guts, there is no in between. With all due respect as well, Giac is somewhat known to handle things irrationally.
I completely agree with the thing you said about TeaM. They're very humble people (no ego they rely on) and are friendly no matter what.
Then I guess I was so not neutral last year when I counted the votes and awarded awards to (if memory serves correctly) i9 and Gvardia, among others.
Trust me, if I didn't do the oscars from a neutral point, nobody I disliked would have gotten ANY awards. Despite the face I have put across to the public as of late, I have always been fair and neutral in all of my official dealings with Argonath, and questioning that is insanity.
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Then why not release any supposed evidence in the first place to stop all of this before it even happens?
If anything, allowing it to happen whilst sitting back doing nothing to help is insanity.
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Then I guess I was so not neutral last year when I counted the votes and awarded awards to (if memory serves correctly) i9 and Gvardia, among others.
Trust me, if I didn't do the oscars from a neutral point, nobody I disliked would have gotten ANY awards. Despite the face I have put across to the public as of late, I have always been fair and neutral in all of my official dealings with Argonath, and questioning that is insanity.
Yo bro, I heard you trollin'.
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Then I guess I was so not neutral last year when I counted the votes and awarded awards to (if memory serves correctly) i9 and Gvardia, among others.
Trust me, if I didn't do the oscars from a neutral point, nobody I disliked would have gotten ANY awards. Despite the face I have put across to the public as of late, I have always been fair and neutral in all of my official dealings with Argonath, and questioning that is insanity.
Yeah, but Giac, I don't know if you understand why we even started the argument or if you wanted to trolololol for attention.
If you just could've answered properly and mature like Frodo did some pages back, or even replied your personal messages we sent you asking for the evidence, the whole scenario wouldn't had happen. If you claim yourself neutral, do it like a fair and honorable counter then. You could of just replied and shown us what's what. Look now; more than a month later, it's still the same thing.. I'd advice you to not act like you're impartial, yet you decide to not reply on "those you don't like"s personal messages. Thank you.
Exactly.
The only reason why Gvardia and 58th were disqualified was because we voted for each other. Based on that, the hint came that we were cheating - of course, without any evidence such as us agreeing on voting for each other, or any other things like that. Why did almost all members of each group do that? Well, the reason behind that is something that you, the reader, will be unlikely to understand, but hoping for the best, I shall explain.
Que is somebody Cofiliano highly respects. Que is not Serbian or Greek, so his race has no influence on that. I also have a high amount of respect towards him. Que is someone a lot of our members look up to. Now, even I know, this would incline us to cheat, HOWEVER... we didn't.
58th and Gvardia also have a steel bridge between one another. A lot of their members go to us, as our members go to them. No problems are really in between. If a previous member of Gvardia was applying for 58th, someone like Que can assume that if they were good enough for Gvardia, they're good enough for 58th. Same with us, vice versa. That steel bridge is there partially because 58th takes their time to come from Los Santos to San Fierro, JUST to roleplay with us. For that reason, we have a very high respect for them as a highly roleplay-oriented group.
Gvardia has done so much for 58th out of pure love. Not necessarily anything that will extend to this day and still be felt or seen. The same concept goes for 58th for Gvardia. Because Que has a rather high amount of patience, virtues that some of our leaders (including myself) could use more of, we may recommend 58th to the new guys to help them acquire their roleplay skills, seeing as 58th's sole purpose is for roleplay. Their sole purpose being roleplay is one key of why we voted for them as the best roleplay group. They made it absolutely clear and obvious that their main goal was to roleplay. There was, without a doubt in our members' minds, that they are mainly roleplay. It's just impossible to not know after a little bit of being in Gvardia, whether we tell you directly or indirectly, or if you find out yourself. Gvardia also makes it very obvious to 58th that we are a generally oriented criminal group. We show that we do business, both legal and illegal, have (VERY) large scale wars over disputes, own territory/territories clearly known as Gvardia's ("Gvardia HQ," "Gvardia Hotel"), participate in strictly underground criminal stuff, and a whole bunch of other crap. To anyone who has been in 58th for a decent time, not knowing that is like a sin. We do business and strictly criminal underground tasks the most efficiently and most often. No, kidnaps, robberies, and murder do not count as "strictly criminal underground." Outside of that, our members are strictly disciplined. Yes, we know a lot of our members get away with misbehaving, but that's because the general public fails to submit anything convicting and incriminating to have us punish them. And when we do find out about anything that someone did wrong, they can expect harsh punishment. You can call it cruel or whatever, but that's how you get the most discipline out of members. Those who admit their wrong-doings the earliest get the lightest punishment. If we have to find out ourselves, you can expect big punishment.
Now, since the leaders of Gvardia have such a high amount of respect for Que, Gvardia has a high amount of respect for 58th, 58th has a high amount of respect for Gvardia, and Que has a high amount of respect for our leaders, sure, you'd expect us to pass on votes to each other with mutual agreement, like "hey, get your group to vote for mine, and i'll vote for yours" No, we would not. For one, both of us have way more respect and dignity than that. For two, considering the fact that 58th reveals themselves as mostly roleplay and Gvardia reveals themselves as criminal syndicate/group/whatever, the high amount of respect between both groups, and the steel bridge in between us, we're going to vote for each other whether we agree or not. It would be a worthless effort to try to get an agreement to vote for each other between both groups, because, either way, we're already going to vote for each other.
We were under the belief that each group deserves a reward corresponding to their primary goal as a group; in this case, Gvardia as a criminal group and 58th as a roleplay oriented criminal group. 58th damn well deserves that award they were originally going to get. I couldn't give two shits if they didn't win some god-damned e-award. I give ten million shits that Que's efforts are all gone down to the lowest of all low vomit-shit mixture flooded hellholes. And Que gives ten million shits that my, Eugene's, Tommy's (previous leader during some period of 2010), and most certainly Cofiliano's efforts were also all damned down to the lowest of all low vomit-shit mixture flooded hellholes. We might as well have had the whole entire server stand in a circle around us while we were on their knees, with their dicks hanging out of their pants and pissing on every little minuscule hair, skin flake, and parts, screaming as they pissed, "HAHA ALL YOUR WORK GONE TO WASTE YOU ASSHOLES! HAHAHA!"
Gvardia and 58th probably had the damn tightest relationship between each other; a relationship that is, was, and will not be seen between any other two groups, ever in the entire life span of Argonath. It's truly a shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize this simple fact. It's a damn shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize the correlation between respect, effort, and reward. And finally, it's a damn shame that the People of Argonath fail to realize not only the importance of having dignity and respect, but also, how surprisingly unallocated those with dignity and respect are. Perhaps one day, all of you on the opposing side, the evil side, will realize that you broke the hearts of two of the closest brothers to ever be seen on the face of Argonath. Argonath... she will not give birth to any other two brothers that will be the same.
It is truly... a damn shame indeed...
I couldn't have written it better.
Well done, brother.
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Why can the proof not be even sent to the groups accused?
the answer is: Cuz.
I don't understand how awards can be given this year to players on different servers who got just one vote or just a few votes ... How can it even be called votes and people get awarded for it??... I believe it lost all faith, trust and honor completely..
haha, i found it rediculous in previous oscar awards, when the results are posted for VC:MP, VMP or what ever the other server is, and the vote count is like 1-2 votes for a person, and he wins an award. lal