Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Gird3r on May 13, 2011, 10:08:27 pm
-
Okay, to begin with. I will refrain from flaming any particular player at all in this thread. Even if I would like to tell some to gtfo out of this community, with that, players that are making it obivious they don't fucking care what happens to this community.
Okay. Good? I'll begin with an little introduction of exactly who I am, in order to clean up some points and some gossip shit I've been hearing about since I resigned from my moderator position.:
I'm Gird3r. That's the nickname I have been using in all gaming related stuff and websites I have visted, or regularly visit. Like Argonath RPG.
Some know me with an huge addiction to donuts, some does not. I don't really care. I resigned because I got education ahead, There's absolutely fucking no point in being inactive and stay in the admin team. That's just an waste of data. I have been around In the GTA multiplayer experiences since summer 2005. EX-Community Leader for MTA:VC, EX- SA:MP moderator, And I have also been an normal admin AND Main admin in mta:vc.
1: The Argonath RPG beginning
I assume you have read about why the owners started this community. But let me go into an little bit detail about what I saw back in the days.
Now, before I continue:
*There's only 32 maxium player slot. You can't compare.
You are absolutely right, but does that give you fucking trolls and moaners an excuse to not try to develop and further the community itself? Changes happen I agree. But it would be preferable if shit like commonly seen in the speakerbox (i.e Trolls and no-lifers) would dissapear from this community. We want to play this game and have fun in this community. If you are not willing to help develop it. Help it's further growth and be an fair and nice player? Please get the fuck out of here. Argonath DOES not need you. Not now, not ever.
*Changes happen! Accept it and deal with it
Yes changes happen. IF they are for good I would not have an problem with it. Problem is: Some of them are really really bad
Let's take for example the Denied thing and so on.
Players that rulebreak are fully aware, that they can just go "Oh soz i'm so sorry" and get another chance. Again and again.
Stop with this fucking retarded system. What the fuck? I cannot belivie it. I'm not angry at those with unban rights. Example cutter. But the way this "permban" thing is used is way out of scope for being an PERMANENT BAN.
I mean come on. Denying someone who's been banned 2 times already and then give him like 3 months ban. he comes back: He's like oh sorry dudes. Ok unban. What the fuck?
How the fuck is it an "permban" if it expires anyways? That's not really permban. It's like an longer temporary ban. Stop this shit and start thinking on developing an new system. Because this shit is not working in todays Argonath. Because trolls and other fucktards always knows they can just get another chance. They can just continue pressing continue for like 3-4 or even more times? The heck?
Now. Let's begin with explaining Argonath RPG and it's beginning in an as unbiased as I possibly can:
We did not have moan. We did not have anything related to daily bullshit. "Trolls" as they are called now was swiftly banned without this petty bullshit of letting them rapmage and reside in this forum and servers.
There is an reason why we old guys call it "The golden days".
Now. in order to tackle this bullshit? What can we do?
Witchunting? nahhh. Spectating someones every single footstep is not cool unless an reason can be had. It's not an spectator mode where you watch that girl for an long long time until you get to see titties. Fuck that.
So how do we tackle it?
PROPER training. I highly suggsest that Aragorn OR Gandalf. Take an small bit of thier time to create an proper handbook. And also demonstrate it by showing basic tolerate lines.
Also, Re-think and restart the entire admin system once more. Those who truly can achivie any sort of balance in thier admin work (Ie Tolerance, Strictness and simply being Kind with the players), could re-apply if they wish to do so: By that. I mean everything below Leaders. Managers, everything. Boom. Clean it. Redo it.
Anyways. Shit was golden back in the days. Do you know what we who was there at the time fight for? We fight for the Argonath, that is as close as utopia as possible. It's impossible, but you can try. If you do no try something please jump of an bridge. Thank you. Ethier you try and fail. Or you go "fuck this shit" and stay an looser. Even if you fail, you are atleast if you tried, in my book. A WINNER.
Here's an short list of what needs to be re-done. And reworked:
*The entire community.
Yhe. That's an short list. Everything needs to be re-done. Don't kid me and live in the delusional world that Argonath is completly perfect and fine as it is now. Because that's just lying to yourself.
LSPD
ARPD
Rules (mordenized and reworked, keeping it to the Argonath vision)
Administration team. Mainly the SA:MP one.
Managers.
Scripts.
Ideas and all other things.
Or better yet. Clean the whole forum. Yes that's right. Clean it and swipe it so it shines in an clean new enviroment.
2: The rumored reset
Seriosly. How can you guys be so extremly unthankfull for the scripters working thier ass off? Really?
This pertains especially to those who voted no on this.
Have you guys ever taken an look under your bed? Yhe. Do it right now?
See the dust under it? Yes. It looks shitty right? colleting and keeps colleting until it becomes an small mass of ugly shit.
Sometimes, it's just for the best to redo something. It's not uncommon for an programmer, who's wroten an program and had it for quite some time. To just redo the whole program. Do you know why?
Because he/she learned new stuff. new stuff comes. And the old needs to be placed on the shelf. Let's take for example. Regulars moaning on freecops.
How the fucking fuck do you think ANYTHING is ever going to get better, if you let shit collect under that bed? Huh? Tell me. No you cannot. Because you are to busy counting your fucking money and licking your own ego/living in an fairytail.
For this. LSPD mostly. Your ranks are so fucked up and corrupt. It's NOT funny. Deny it all you want. Scream like an kid at something you don't want to hear. But LSPD needs an rework. Badly. Seriosly. I don't get it. As far as I know. VCPD did not have any of these bullshit problems. I cannot belivie it. Needs an rework.
I am in high favor of this reset. I belivie in it, because cleaning out old shit. And starting over, Is an extremly good way of cleaning out shit. When you shower. You are basically preparing to start over in an sense. You are cleaning of the dirty shit that's been collecting.
3: The cake
Yes cake. Suprising?
We spent 2 years helping to develop Argonath. Without this cake. There'd be no Argonath. RON, Ronnel, Agent, Sauron, Crimson, Yamaha, Kaltsu, Elrond, Sauron and many many more back in the days spent shitloads of time guarding, developing and ensuring the sucsess of this cake for the future generation.
With SA:MP came strawberries and some icing (more advanced animations scripting and options), to bad these strawberries and icing was pooped on by an majority of this new generation mentality. We wanted you guys to sucseed. not troll the fuck out of eachother and moan your sorry asses off. Hat's off to Frank Hawk and I9 for caring about this cake in order to make it as fine as possible. We all got different fucking opinions. But the cake is still there. Don't shit on it. Develop it and IMPROVE it. If you seriosly fail to be of any use of this community. Ethier as an friend. Honest player or just helping as you can. Get the fuck out. The cake is not for such boys and girls.
Some admin was heavily critical about an certain topic I made in the Mod boards. Guess what, Dave was actually right for once, despite being an backstabber and an liar. The problem lies within the whole Admin team to solve. I cannot solve it alone. I cannot develop it alone. I cannot teach help whatever ALONE. We all need to work for this.
But sure. We can go with option 2. Which is add small scripts to RS4. keep it old. Keep it like an outdated system. No screw that.
4: The admin team
For the admin team. You know very well what topic I mean. Read it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN until you get it into your head what the topic is actually about.
You cannot fucking expect to have any proper respect if you are going to sit there like dandyman and change diapers. It won't fucking work. I would NEVER EVER hire an administrator that does not come with some form of Backbone and CONFIDENCE to speak to the community when needed.
Sometimes you have situations where you can be kind/forgiving. :pop:
Sometimes. You need to take that backbone. And clearly write to said rulebreaker to stop. Read the rules.
Stop this shit: :poke:
And more of this: :rules:
All in all, I want you to get some backbone. Stop fiddling your thumbs while being clueless. And start working.
This goes for those admins/moderators. Who are being afraid to do anything. And just sit there and let players harass them/bribe them and all other corrupt shit. Oh and when I think of that. Regulars, who keeps threatning about "Lol remmeber u new moderator" should be Community banned from this community. Learn your fucking place and have some respect for those, who are trying to protect the server you play on you unthankfull bum. If you do not like it. APPLY yourself and stop moaning. You have no fucking right to tell an admin what to do. That's just bullshit that you are using. Ethier apply for the admin team and experience the work yourself. Or shut the fuck up and use the e-mail, Who you have surely been reminded about alot. Yes. The Community Mail. YES, Use it if you got complains. how can you be so fucking stupid as to not understand this? Really, have some form of common sense before you spew bullshit on admin team and blackpaint the admin team who are working to protect YOU.
5: OOC/IC
OOC/IC is not forbidden on Argonath RPG currently. But it is nethier officialy supported. Get what this means? Stop fucking teaching this shit in an sense that it appears to be AN RULE. Sure you can ask them if they want to learn it. But don't fucking require people to use it. Don't make up your own goddamn fucking rules and then force people to follow them against thier will. IS it hard to understand?
6: Why should I help mentality
I'm not fucking asking you guys to hold someones hand thru thier life on Argonath (but if you do. good). I'm asking you. That when you can and are not doing anything else. To help them in some form of another. Atleast point them properly to the SA:MP New players manual. Shortly and easily explain the rules. And OFFER HELP.
If you refuse to do this. Then you can go along and leave with the rest of the trolls and moaners. I cannot expect you nethier force you to do this every single hour of gaming on Argonath. But 5 minutes of helping can make the difference between an new player deathmatching and an new player being genuily intrested in playing on this server according to the rules we have. In short. RP. Is it so painfull to sacrifice 5 minutes about once an week to help an new player? REALLY? If it is. Then I ask you. Who the fuck do you think you are and you think you got the fucking rights to moan about freecops and shit. Fuck off. Seriosly. Your type is the one that pisses me off the most. If you do not help. Then shut the fuck up with the moaning bullshit. You got absolutely no right to talk shit about freecops and such alike situations, when you did jack shit to help the community yourself.
This is mainly aimed at the constant influx of moaners and smartasses who keeps moaning about the common freecop. Or who keeps moaning in general without having done jack shit to help the community.
7: Democracy in Argonath RPG
Democracy? Ah yes. Wait I wanna be the owner of the server. Ok cool guise. Oh wait. Let's say 51% wants to change Argonath RPG into Argonath DM.
No. In the end. The owners have the final say. You can help and such. That's completly cool and in my book you are A WINNER if you help this community survive and continue forward. But don't fucking expect to overrule the owners. You cannot have complete democracy in Argonath. Accept it.
8: The Argonath RPG Future
What does the future hold? Well. If I would say my honest opinion. Both admins and players, are letting this community slowly go down the toilet.
Only YOU and the COMMUNITY can make Argonath RPG better.
Discuss this. Deeply. Trolls and other bullshit replys will be reported to forum moderators.
-
What does LSPD have to do with this? I can bet you mean SRU, which there was probably several topics about in mod/admin boards and ARUN. I, as a member of SRU know how much it takes to become a member of it. We probably had 5 days with 5-10 hours of ONLY training and screaming by Ben. In the start, I wanted to quit it, but still wanted to be a part of the team who kicked ass. We made the criminals moan like pigs getting fucked in the butt. They even started witch hunting us, following the officers and recording all they do to see if they did any mistakes. In this, I mean when Wash and Shockk followed Kenny and Kirby and recorded, even said "recording" in the CB. This only proofs how butthurt you can be. Nobody can deny that we were the best team, since we used tactics, all the time. If we failed to use them, it was simple, we got kicked from SRU. Nobody can deny that SRU is, and was the best cops in the whole server, everybody who called for backup usually asked for SRU, FBI, ARPD officers, other departments, simply everyone, unless they were on off the butthurt ones who called us a "DM squad". And according to everyone calling us a DM squad, mainly the "big" mafias, the official ones. Who are the ones who is banned the most for DM?
And about all of them saying we abused everything like shit, for example they said we used /weaponequip for patrolling. We did NEVER do this until we became SRU-SWAT or whatever you would call it, where the chief gave us permission to do it, but only when patrolling with SRU. I myself, got fired from SWAT for this, due to the SWAT and ARPD leader said it was not allowed, appeared he had not read on the forum properly. This was CBF who fired me.
My main point is, if you are that butthurt about being simply raped when trying to kill "freecops" and others, train like we did. Don't go cry like bitches on the forums.
Regards, Jack. :cool:
-
...who kicked ass. We made the criminals moan like pigs getting f**ked in the butt.
:hah: Good one
-
:hah: Good one
Also true, as you can see.
-
Oh, this topic again...
I estimate it will be locked within 5 hours.
Probably not, even Gandalf has read it :D
-
This won't get locked as it's made by Gid3r, if it was made by anyone who have never been moderator or whatsoever before will just get ignored and their topic will get locked.
It's the harsh truth.
-
Gird3r has a point. I joined ARPD not just for fun, friendship, but to find and resolve this corruption that I've been hearing about through the ranks.
And about all of them saying we abused everything like shit, for example they said we used /weaponequip for patrolling. We did NEVER do this until we became SRU-SWAT or whatever you would call it, where the chief gave us permission to do it, but only when patrolling with SRU. I myself, got fired from SWAT for this, due to the SWAT and ARPD leader said it was not allowed, appeared he had not read on the forum properly. This was CBF who fired me.
If you haven't noticed, our Captain (SRU Leader) was demoted for that same reason. I honestly doubt a Chief allowed this if the President had to intervene on this matter.
-
And the trolls shows up. How not uncommon.
What the fuck are you doing in this community? Tell me that.
Reported. Both pepper and cero. Your lack of even wanting to help this community disgusts me.
-
And the trolls shows up. How not uncommon.
What the f**k are you doing in this community? Tell me that.
Reported. Both pepper and cero. Your lack of even wanting to help this community disgusts me.
Thanks for the provoking post.
Anyways, I've made probably 5 similar topics striving to help the Argonath community, so don't tell me I haven't tried to help. It won't happen, I've come to realize that nothing will change, ever. No matter what you do, what you try, nothing will change. All you want in this game is Big house, 3 sport cars, and a business and money. When the reset is done, people will do the same thing.. RP will not improve with a reset, however, I suspect more people will become cops as it's kinda an easy job and makes decent money. No matter what topics you make, what you do in game, it won't change. I hope you can realize this.
Thanks homie.
Also, what was I warned for? It never sent an email to me, just says, "Watched".
-
Cero and pepper you have been issued a forum warning both.
It takes people a lot to think of simple things and keep them... One example is whenever something happens to somebody, he wont think of reporting to the email directly, but making accusations or public announce of him being abused on /p or on a forum topic.. that's what pisses me off... They think they are special.. but no, nobody is special, not even me... Just that it happens that I'm available to help in-game with a few extra commands it doesn't mean I can do whatever the hell I want...
Tbh, in the admins part I hate to see other admins or even new promoted moderators to just sit and Roleplay on their account with admin rights... Are you shitting me? You are a MODERATOR, your task is to prove your self and get promoted to ADMIN, by that point yes.. you will be able to role-play on your NON-admin account, but until then.. you have to put priority over ADMIN reports.. I also see admins who still put priority to RP over admin reports.. I mean, what the hell.. You are on the ADMIN account, your job is to deal with REPORTS damn it.. there are non-admin accounts for a reason!
pff. In my opinion, if a few things changed here.. like for example, more ways to earn $$ via illegal jobs... things would be more fair.. as less people would choose to go on cops side.. as today.. average is around 80% cops.. 15% criminals and 5% civilians...
-
Gird3r has a point. I joined ARPD not just for fun, friendship, but to find and resolve this corruption that I've been hearing about through the ranks.
If you haven't noticed, our Captain (SRU Leader) was demoted for that same reason. I honestly doubt a Chief allowed this if the President had to intervene on this matter.
using /weaponequip for ARPD officers without any emergency situation
He were demoted for equiping ARPD officers, not members of the SWAT team specialized for those patrols. Also along with other reasons started on the ARPD forum.
EDIT: Agreeing with TheRock above me about the $ part.
-
Thanks for the provoking post.
Anyways, I've made probably 5 similar topics striving to help the Argonath community, so don't tell me I haven't tried to help. It won't happen, I've come to realize that nothing will change, ever. No matter what you do, what you try, nothing will change. All you want in this game is Big house, 3 sport cars, and a business and money. When the reset is done, people will do the same thing.. RP will not improve with a reset, however, I suspect more people will become cops as it's kinda an easy job and makes decent money. No matter what topics you make, what you do in game, it won't change. I hope you can realize this.
Thanks homie.
Also, what was I warned for? It never sent an email to me, just says, "Watched".
Why did you provoke me then? Why even come troll here if you wanted to help the community so much?
You have an loosers attitude. You want to think: Win, Not loose. This community can achivie great stuff. But It won't happen when people just give up.
I bet you my life that you would not just give up if someone came into your house and held an knife at your childrens neck. The same logic applies here. DO NOT GIVE UP!
The community that came to crash flood and attack Argonath for it's first 2 years. I can only say. You are uttering the same bullshit as them: "nothing will change" is what they wanted to tell our players. They wanted us to just roll over and die. Did we? No we did not fucking do that. So once again. DO NOT GIVE UP!
-
Why did you provoke me then? Why even come troll here if you wanted to help the community so much?
You have an loosers attitude. You want to think: Win, Not loose. This community can achivie great stuff. But It won't happen when people just give up.
I bet you my life that you would not just give up if someone came into your house and held an knife at your childrens neck. The same logic applies here. DO NOT GIVE UP!
I did not provoke you. I enjoy playing here with the community. I'm a winner.
If someone breaks into my house with a knife, naw, not even the knife, just him breaking into my house, he'll be met with a 12 gauge to the face and told to not move and if he does.... BOOOMMMMMMMMM, he's dead. I wouldn't even hesitate with it.
I still have hope for this community, but it's very small.
-
He were demoted for equiping ARPD officers, not members of the SWAT team specialized for those patrols. Also along with other reasons started on the ARPD forum.
EDIT: Agreeing with TheRock above me about the $ part.
This should have not happened at all, if there's no serious situation ongoing. I'm not trying to disrespect those who work with me, but I don't like it when things like this happen on my watch. Mind you I haven't been exactly approving of my former Superiors' lack of assistance with LSPD lately, so I'm a bit harsh on stuffs..
-
Okay, on topic now. (Regarding pepper and me)
-
I don't see the reason of this overdramatic conversation about "No hope for the community" and so on..
Really, what is the problem per today? :roll:
I got to say, I have a hard time understanding this. :neutral:
-
No matter how much you call me a troll won't make it true. I'm just telling the truth. We've had a million of these topics.
Go ingame and do something instead of sitting on the forum moaning. "hurr durr gtfo this community you troll" Oh please...
-
No matter how much you call me a troll won't make it true. I'm just telling the truth. We've had a million of these topics.
Go ingame and do something instead of sitting on the forum moaning. "hurr durr gtfo this community you troll" Oh please...
Still hasn't answered his question.. have you?
-
Still hasn't answered his question.. have you?
Why I'm still here?
Do you think I play here because I'm a masochist? Do you think I play here for the sole reason to cause shit? You're wrong Girder. I love Argonath and I love the players, that's why I play here. So don't come here and spread shit about me when you clearly don't know anything about me.
-
I agree with you on a few points Gird3r.
Exspecially the point on Admins, a few of them have no backbone and will let players walk over them like dog shit.
The community needs a major clean-up but I can say right now nothing will change.
-
This should have not happened at all, if there's no serious situation ongoing. I'm not trying to disrespect those who work with me, but I don't like it when things like this happen on my watch. Mind you I haven't been exactly approving of my former Superiors' lack of assistance with LSPD lately, so I'm a bit harsh on stuffs..
The equipment was mainly given so we could respond as fast as possible to situations and clear them as tactical and in the best method we could. We were given permission to this from the chief. It was the chief's decision, not our.
-
Why I'm still here?
Do you think I play here because I'm a masochist? Do you think I play here for the sole reason to cause shit? You're wrong Girder. I love Argonath and I love the players, that's why I play here. So don't come here and spread shit about me when you clearly don't know anything about me.
What I do know and what you proved with your first reply in this post. Are that you are trolling. If you do love the players. You would not be doing such lame shit as posting pictures like that one. If you were not trolling I would not have reported you at all.
Ethier you leave this thread alone if you wish to continue your bullshit replys, or you can stay in the thread and help, or do nothing at all. Also, for the ingame stuff. I do have an few things cooking right now. Some ideas.
So stop acting like an fucking prick. So far, the two first replies you have posted in this thread are only bullshit and being an prick.
Keep the bullshit replys coming and I will report you an second time. Which I find uneccesary when we could instead discuss what the topic is about.
Also. As for accusing me of only moaning. I have done things you don't see. Yes it's in the mod boards. And yes it's one of my ways to help Argonath proceed further into being an succsess. Did you actually think, I would post this and then go "hurr durr gtfo this community you troll" in an corner crying. Sorry but no, you are wrong.
-
Thank you for this post, Gird3r. I venerate your venture at trying to fix a few tangibly irremediable things on Argonath. You should continue without disuniting, although I must prompt you to be a little more positive to everyone. We are all friends, right? :D
-
I agree with Jingle just press CTRL+F and search for f**king, :lol:
This isn't meant to be 'Trolling' if you might take it like that, it's to bring the positive sphere back in here :D
-
I think Gird3r brought up some good points, just sayin'
-
4: The admin team
For the admin team. You know very well what topic I mean. Read it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN until you get it into your head what the topic is actually about.
You cannot f**king expect to have any proper respect if you are going to sit there like dandyman and change diapers. It won't f**king work. I would NEVER EVER hire an administrator that does not come with some form of Backbone and CONFIDENCE to speak to the community when needed.
Sometimes you have situations where you can be kind/forgiving. :pop:
Sometimes. You need to take that backbone. And clearly write to said rulebreaker to stop. Read the rules.
Stop this shit: :poke:
And more of this: :rules:
All in all, I want you to get some backbone. Stop fiddling your thumbs while being clueless. And start working.
This goes for those admins/moderators. Who are being afraid to do anything. And just sit there and let players harass them/bribe them and all other corrupt shit. Oh and when I think of that. Regulars, who keeps threatning about "Lol remmeber u new moderator" should be Community banned from this community. Learn your f**king place and have some respect for those, who are trying to protect the server you play on you unthankfull bum. If you do not like it. APPLY yourself and stop moaning. You have no f**king right to tell an admin what to do. That's just bullshit that you are using. Ethier apply for the admin team and experience the work yourself. Or shut the f**k up and use the e-mail, Who you have surely been reminded about alot. Yes. The Community Mail. YES, Use it if you got complains. how can you be so f**king stupid as to not understand this? Really, have some form of common sense before you spew bullshit on admin team and blackpaint the admin team who are working to protect YOU.
I agree with this personally since I know a few who don't have a stand and attempt to make everyone happy. In the end result, if you are on the administration team, there will be times when you can make NO-ONE happy. But there are also times when you can. I personally experienced both of these in my first two weeks as being a moderator. I, like a few others, am keeping a balance between zero-tolerance and being lean at points.
Though that's not always the case. For example, recently, I have admin-jailed someone for cop-baiting multiple times after warning him/her verbally over admin-pm. He/she took my words as a simple warning and took no attention nor time to actually see what I was meaning and that cop-baiting is NOT allowed. I admin-jailed him/her, and this is where the problem begins:
Jailed Player (PM): Nathan, what the fuck are you doing? I didn't cop bait anyone.
I quickly began to spectate and began to reply him/her using admin-pm:
Nathan_Aldebourne (PM): I warned you verbally not to do it. Why are you doing it?
Jailed Player (PM): I didn't do anything. Why are you abusing me? I WILL REPORT TO GANDALF!
Nathan_Aldebourne (PM): I warned you verbally. Then, I continued to watch over you.
Jailed Player (PM): BUT I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, I JUST PASSED THEM GOING FAST!
Nathan_Aldebourne (PM): Not just once, but multiple times, in hopes of getting the police attention.
Jailed Player (PM): WHAT NO! YOU ABUSE MAN! I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE ME, SO STOP ABUSING ME, I WILL REPORT!
Thus, I had to kick the player for "threatening an administrator". You see, we work our asses off. If we see you cop-baiting/hunting, you will receive an infraction. Regular users take this as an offense to moderators as they seem them as just the little guys who cannot do anything. If you been here long enough (I name regulars as someone three months or older), you should know the rules by now and you will be punished based upon them. Telling us, moderators, that you will report us for "abusing" you, will have little affect to our performance. I, personally, already pulled a few Tai's during my moderation period. I quickly apologize in either main (or PM) to show that I made a mistake and that the punishment was not valid towards them. Realize this, nobody is perfect. We ALL make mistakes.
Regulars, who break the rules WILL be punished severely. This includes up-to the level of ban and possible a permanent ban. Just because you may have been here for over two-three years, this gives you NO right to break ANY of the rules.
Thus, think about this. We, as moderators and administrators, have a much more busy job then the rest of the server and we have to watch over it to insure no rule-breaking is involved. Thus, if you get punished for breaking a rule, it's because you broke a rule.
-
There is a reason I have high respect for people such as Aragorn and Gird3r, and that is because they do their best to defend the community from the trolls / moaners / shitters, and to enlighten those who are not. Bravo, Gird3r.
As an Administrator, I have been labeled many things. People have called me scary, evil, harsh, and other such things (yes really), yet the reason I am strict on my punishments is to convey to the community the message that rules must not be taken for granted, and that this shit ends now. One of the reasons I became an Admin on SA:MP is to help cleanse this part of the community of the filth that appeared because of moaners and "ZOMG PRO"s, many of which are from other servers. I personally detest Admins who have no backbone and will allow players to control them, and upon sight will do my best to get them to straighten up, or out of the team. Admins are guardians, not diaper police.
As Aragorn said, what is the best solution if you see a troll? Ban the troll.
Even those who call me a moaner (I can name such) for posting against negative and unproductive ideas in SA:MP, are themselves trolls, shitters, rogues, and negativists who are better getting the fuck out of here, as they do not contribute anything useful or non-negative at the least to this community. Even some established players have jumped on this filthy bandwagon.
For those people who are staying in the community and saying "There is little hope for Argonath", "Argonath will never change", "Why bother making it like old days?", "Server and admins are corrupted", and other such bullshit? Either shut up with the moaning or leave the community. I can easily name several people who do nothing but cause shit here in this community, even though they claim otherwise.
Argonath is our community, but more importantly, it is Sauron's, Gandalf's, and Aragorn's community. Don't fuck up something which they worked so hard to build.
-
This won't get locked as it's made by Gid3r, if it was made by anyone who have never been moderator or whatsoever before will just get ignored and their topic will get locked.
It's the harsh truth.
This thread is right, and so is this quote. No offense to Gird3r, I have a huge load of respect for him, but how many times have we seen a thread like this, and it is locked or deleted. The thread recognizes problems which are always blown away either locked/deleted.
Also I have already seen 2 people who posted agreeing with this thread, but i can go back in other topics like this and quote word for word where they shit on the thread. Really, its not just coincidence...
-
Well if i wouldn't know Girder atleast a bit,i'd say he's trying his best to be show-off
But since i had a chance to have a nice chat-a-chat with him,i guess i'll have to change my opinion here.
I agree on some of the points,especially where people say that "All's good in Argonath". If it's so good in Argonath,why people moan and abuse then? Hmm?
Oh btw,Jack White: Don't try covering up your mates now.It just doesn't work anymore.
-
Oh btw,Jack White: Don't try covering up your mates now.It just doesn't work anymore.
Explain.
-
On a sever I used to Co-own, when someone was banned, they could not post an unban request for two months.
Also, tempban was regularly used to ban someone for up to 2 weeks, not just 60 minutes
-
On a sever I used to Co-own, when someone was banned, they could not post an unban request for two months.
Also, tempban was regularly used to ban someone for up to 2 weeks, not just 60 minutes
beep beep.. this is about argonath not your co-owned server's thread..
-
This is not even about the SRU, don't know why people dragged it up.
But to go on topic, Gird3r you really got some good points here. The constant moan towards freecops and new players should stop, I am tired of it. Those people who shits on them should drag out their thumb from the ass and try to use their brain they were given and help people instead of constant disrespect them.
Without the new players on the server it wouldn't be so much players on it since it's them keeping it alive. Can't denie the fact that some who joins the server hacks and things like that but in some cases have I seen true individuals join the server and most have begun to be something big. And their skills have drasticly raised in roleplay, grammar and the English language. And especially their right to respect people.
If myself think back when I joined the server I really sucked as a player, I didn't have a bad English library but my RPG skills weren't really good. That raised due that some individuals choosed to help me and improve my skills, even gave me money for my fast learning. The individuals really helped me in my beginning was Ted_Bundy, TinMan and Gvardia of it's unique members.
Special thanks to those to show me that, if there were more players like that, I know it exist many of them on the server. But the "group" on the server who just comes on to get suspected and kill cops and moan about abuse and shit on the newplayers for their low experience. Not everyone is from a English speaking country nor don't have so much knowledge about the language. But they'll learn after time.
The group who deserves credits for helping new players are the Inferno 9 and the NBA, they even invited me to the NBA after my departure from Gvardia and helped me raised my skills as a balla. I even contributed some of my knowledge from the mafia roleplay towards them.
-
'If you don't like it, leave' - the words of quite a few when they see a topic like this.. I just want to ask them why should a person have to leave because they want to discuss or suggest a way to make the server different(not going to say 'better' because it might just be some selfish moaning really, but in most cases its a valid argument which actually has no chance due to being locked).
The biggest point I agree with is punishments (through admins and moderators). I'm not a smart guy with anything like this really, but it seems punishments are just so easy as of late, and I'm sure many can agree.
-
Explain.
Why should i explain,if the explanation is already infront of your own eyes?
-
I need the community to be engaged in this, I am taking the first step for now, can you?
I9 can. Can you?
Admins and moderators try to help protect? Can you?
The current plans I have been cooking on will not work unless the community if willing to work an bit in order to improve itself.
The role reversal week was according to me. An huge and awesome idea that can possible help improve relations, and make both sides realise what they are going thru.
If we all start this by helping new players atleast once an week (each and every regular helps an respective new player) things will improve A.L.O.T.
There will be less (as some call it) "intentional" abuse from "freecops".
New players would be less likely to rulebreak.
Admins and moderators could focus more on catching the real shit that's going on (Trolls/flamers/rulebreakers).
You could gain friends.
Let's say you would use 30 minutes once an week, where you take 1 or (if you can handle it) more new players, and help them get started shortly.
Refer the the New Players Manual.
Explain the rules in an easy and understandable way.
Give them the basic roleplay ala /me.
And offer help and advise them where to go for further help if you yourself don't happen to know an specefic question.
30 minutes an Week is not much of your time. If you can play for 4 hours each day. Surely, there's nothing wrong with sacrificing 30 minutes out of
28 hours of weekly gameplay in order to help new players?
Let's say there are 40 new players and 60 regulars on the server at an given time. If all those 40 new players did not get met with an "fuck you" and instead was met by an "welcome", things are guaranteed to improve alot.
I will tell you about an particular case:
I was pulled over by an cop. He did not know any proper procedures. And demanded I pay 500$ to him for absolutely no reason.
I followed him to the investigation which I demanded. Well at that place, I turned an potentional abuse into an attempt to offer help and some basic training.
It all ended with me paying him 3$, he got alot of material and links to work with. I offered help. Offer to help them if you are so damn "pissed" at this "abuse".
In the end, I refeered him to the New players manual, The ARPD website. He could not speak english which was understandable. Yet, I helped him to the best of my ability so he can be an fair cop and pull over when it's an true crime.
When you help an new player, you can help as much as you want. That is fine and good, but in the end. It's up to the new player himself to WANT to understand. And when the new player simply refuses to accept any help and go on to rulebreak. That is truly the time when admins and moderators come in.
/h How do I buy guns
/h Ammunation
/h Ok thanks.
This has been mentioned several times, Let me remind you:
How can you expect that new player to fully cope with and understand the rules at day 1? Never.
I'd like to see more of this:
/h How do I buy guns?
/h You can buy them at Ammunation, make sure you read the rules properly, this is not an Deathmatch server, so do not use your guns to mindlessly kill players.
/h Ok Thanks
Atleast explain it in an bit more detail.
Here's some short .tk links I have created that are easy to use and type when you want to tell the new player where to find additional help.
Also make sure to tell them the website of Argonath RPG (www.argonathrpg.eu (http://www.argonathrpg.eu))
www.argosampmanual.tk (http://www.argosampmanual.tk) (This goes to the SA:MP New Players Manual on the Argonath wiki)
www.argoarpd.tk (http://www.argoarpd.tk) (This goes to the ARPD website)
For the new players who happens to read this, here's the original/official links (Use these if you want to bookmark).
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Portal:SA-MP (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Portal:SA-MP) (This goes to the SA:MP New Players Manual on the Argonath wiki)
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/ (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/) (This goes to the ARPD website)
-
Gird3r, as much as I dislike you, disagree with many of your views, despise your incorrect usage of "an," and various other things, I'd like to congratulate you and PRAISE you for making such a decent topic. As much as I support this topic, the quote below is extremely true.
This won't get locked as it's made by Gid3r, if it was made by anyone who have never been moderator or whatsoever before will just get ignored and their topic will get locked.
It's the harsh truth.
It may not be officially recognized as such, but veteran players and influential players get some sorts of special treatment, even if unintentional. 70% of bias is unintentional to begin with, and I do not deny that I am biased 70% of the time.
-
I'm thankful for all the Work that the Admins, Mods & Scripters do. They work hard, and I know things are'nt Right and I'l also glad that these Issues are being tackled. As for this up-coming Reset? It's a good thing, we all need a New Begining. That and I don't know about you, but I can't wait for the new Scripts that could be coming out, cause Argonath is the best RPG Server on SA:MP. I apreciate all the work that everyone puts into Argonath, and as for Trolls, let's BAN them since they won't GTFO. And believe me, Admins know how to back Trolls into there Corners. :P
-
I9 can. Can you?
To be honest with you, Gird3r, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing this kinds of things all the time. No offense against Inferno 9 and their work, but there's more groups who's involved in teaching new players, making them better role-players. We might not be doing advertisements about it, neither being at the most central place in Los Santos, but we're surely doing as much as they do. If you ask around the server, where they got taught in the beginning of their role-play session, I can surely tell you that there will be as much players saying "by 58th Street Conecta" instead of Inferno 9. Same goes with Gvardia.
-
Regarding the point about bans - which is where my namey comes in. So, you wanna know why people are allowed back in, why a permanent ban is not a permanent ban...
For starters, a permanent ban is a permanent ban, unless the guy comes back after a year or two and we feel that he is worth letting in. Why? We want people on server, even if they were not too good back in the day. We believe that they can change and a year or two would suffice for their change.
So why are some people unbanned even if it is not yet a year or so after their permanent denial? Well, being engaged with real life activity, we simply cannot keep track of all the names which are perm banned. So sometimes a manager not knowing that a guy has been perm denied or not knowing his track record of bans may unban the person. In order to avoid such cases we are trying to maintain a database of permanent denied players.
Constant rulebreakers - in the spur of the moment at times, people rulebreak. We believe that they have served their time with a month or two, yes a month or two will do for rulebreaking such as DM or such. Of course, in case of repeated rulebreaks the ban gets extended.
We have always had a policy of giving people a chance - barring repeated hackers/abusers, who are permanently denied.
And to those who said "because it is Gird3r who made the topic, it will not get locked" - people who are capable of locking topics know fully well which topic is positive and which topic has a negative tone. Use the right tone and get the right treatment.
-
Cutter. I can take an simple example:
Wash_Corleone (Also called back in 2007) WashSforza.
Count the bans?
I can count them on two hands. (if I include his shenanigans from mta:vc aswell)
I can not count his kicks and warns on two hands. I'd need atleast 20 hands for that.
Over the years. he has repedeatly been banned and unbanned for similar reasons.
And this is not only on SA:MP, he dragged alot of shit onto himself in mta:vc aswell.
Well, he's permantly banned now. For what I hope, forever.
This is exactly why the banning system needs an rework.
Cutter, you know aswell as I do that I am not uninformed in the banning processes in the general way.
Month? So what Wash did, only deserves an Month?
I am in favour of changing this. 3 strikes, if they player get's denied, then an strike is consumed and shall be noted down (and the player can make an new unban request later on)
If feel fit. Perm denied (consumes all 3 strikes) Then out you go without chance to return.
When you were "denied" in mta:vc, you was denied. No this temporary deny thingys.
When the third strike is consume (by denied the second one, or the player being banned an third time).
Well time to find another community.
Each chance respetents an Strike. Strikes are consumed if you get denied or caught lying.
Thereotically, you'd could only be unbanned twice. Since the third strike marks the time when you can find another community.
2 chances are according to me, enough.
If this system shall remain: Then bloody well make sure that assholes who refuse to change and follow the rules, can be perm denied without this illy dilly do temp perm things.
Trolls and other shit who show no interest at in developing this community at all, Should just be gotten rid off.
Yhe I belivie people can change to. But why waste time and discussion on an lost case? Someone, who keeps coming back and f**ks around?
And read what I said about those with unban rights really closely. I am not mad at you directly. I am mad at the current system and want it improved. So people stop with this "Press Button to continue" shit that's been going on.
Post Merge: May 15, 2011, 07:29:27 am
Let me sum up the whole ban thing:
Ethier the system is improved as I suggsested it. Or we work to find an solution, to truly show that being banned is something to be taken seriosly.
In short: The mentality that some players have that Banned = Oh lookie here lol. And prevent this "You now have 10 lifes left. Continue?".
-
beep beep.. this is about argonath not your co-owned server's thread..
beep beep, this is an opinionated topic, not a one man autocracy
-
And to those who said "because it is Gird3r who made the topic, it will not get locked" - people who are capable of locking topics know fully well which topic is positive and which topic has a negative tone. Use the right tone and get the right treatment.
Lol.
I can make the most positive or neutral tone, and someone (not going to mention any names here... let's just say we don't have a very good relationship between the two of us) comes in and locks it, assuming it's all BS and is going to start an argument - exactly what this topic is doing.
-
As cutter said.
If they have an good justification to lock the topic. I will not complain.
As for the "special treament".
No, it's called being an friend with someone.
If I had only in mind to shit on all of Argonath, I'm sure even my best friend here would lock the topic and give me an warning or something more harsh.
But that's not what this topic is intended to do. Yes I am strict and harsh. I don't deny it.
Lemme show you something:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/zj6rus.png)
This is not going to improve relations between players at all.
New players are important to this community, how cannot you realise that?
EVen if they ask for money, offer to help in another way. Use the links I provided. Flaming them will not help at all, and only serves to destroy this community. Here's some short .tk links I have created that are easy to use and type when you want to tell the new player where to find additional help.
Also make sure to tell them the website of Argonath RPG (www.argonathrpg.eu (http://www.argonathrpg.eu))
www.argosampmanual.tk (http://www.argosampmanual.tk) (This goes to the SA:MP New Players Manual on the Argonath wiki)
www.argoarpd.tk (http://www.argoarpd.tk) (This goes to the ARPD website)
For the new players who happens to read this, here's the original/official links (Use these if you want to bookmark).
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Portal:SA-MP (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/Portal:SA-MP) (This goes to the SA:MP New Players Manual on the Argonath wiki)
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/ (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/) (This goes to the ARPD website)