Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:VC => VC:MP - Vice City Multiplayer => VC:MP General => Topic started by: XDie on June 08, 2011, 10:28:02 pm
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Due to threats agains the server VCMP is temporarily closed. Re-opening will depend on if the owners and the leader Klaus decide the server has a future within Argonath.
VC:MP server have to be cleaned from history and if this happens then the server will be good!! i think re-opening when VC:MP 4 is released is better!! this will give the time to scripters and owners to resolve this problem!! but closing VC:MP server for ever is not good :cry:
"I love VC:MP server" :banana:
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Gandalf, why would you want to close an entire server due to -hacking- ?
(P.S. Please go into chat, I need to talk to you about UA)
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I'd like to know what exactly is meant by the word *threats* then I'll perhaps understand more of this sudden rush that none of us really expected.
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I don't get it. I just came and suddenly bye bye VCMP.
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All the conspirancies about Klaus abusing and VCMP corrupted are getting f*cking boring - see my signature. We just see ppl whining all over the time - ppl who come to VCMP once a month; then notice not all the players respect the rules (guess what, most of the players are newbies - well depends, but very often - if you play SAMP Argonath, you'd most likely know what roleplay is from experience from another servers, but that's not the way here. Explaining a newbie who can't speak english what RP is and what are the rules, then see him quiting because he doesn't like the point of the server is a tiring job. Also we don't have 100 players each day so no, we don't ban everyone for anything, we give ppl a chance.
Overall it's ridiculous how ppl think changing the manager will change the gameplay - what, you think every rule will be respected by every newbie after changing the manager? Go get some brains, nothing will really change.
Some ppl purely don't understand how gameplay works here. If we see a cop whilst wanted, we most likely try to shoot him, as roleplaying with cops most of times is just risky. I only do it with experienced cops I know, to be honest. Here's a player un-experienced in VCMP gameplay getting deathmatched by a newbie, then blaming the main manager instead of the player for it:
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People often say 'how come players rulebreak so much on VC:MP when they don't on MTA:VC?' well sorry, but VC:MP is full of non-english speakers, who are only associated with DM scene, and never played any example of roleplay server. MTA:VC is mostly the regulars who know the rules playing.
Also it's kinda funny how often we hear another 'assaults' on Klaus being a bad manager, when no one mentions shit in-game? I just see a SAMPer come to the game, see another player rule-break, don't understand how we run the shit here, he just blames the manager for some unknown reason, and guess what? The regular players don't mention shit here or in-game, they prefer to talk behind manager's and others backs, snitch to the ppl trying to drag VCMP down...
You want VCMP Argo scene done for? Fine, do it, I don't f**king care how, but don't ruin our fun, fun of about 40 active players, for your fun. Think you can command everything just cause our server 'isnt as good' isnt as proffessional' 'you got more rulebreakers than SAMP' ? Well, you're wrong. This isn't a message to Gandalf, but to someone else, who will know why..
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Re-opening will depend on if the owners and the leader Klaus decide the server has a future within Argonath.
If? At its peak, VC:MP sees 15-25 players every day, yet the server might not have a future? VC:MP is mainly DM scene, but there are still a good number of people who come to the VC:MP server to enjoy some roleplay. Maybe if we knew what "threats" were being made, we'd react differently. (Hacking the server? DDoS?) We'd also react differently if the shutdown hadn't come out of the blue.
That's really all I have to say about this for now.
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This is stupid. Shutting down the server will fix it all? It will only make it worse. Since there is no VCMP, there is nothing for us to do here, I guess.
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Its up to how much supprt the current leaders will get to continue.
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Can you at least explain why it's shutting down or whatever is happening? We deserve to know, don't we?
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What Marcell said was completely correct in my opinion. There is way better solutions for everything that may happen on our VC:MP server. There's some things I would like to emphasize in the post Marcell did on this topic.
1. VC:MP isn't heavily populated like SA:MP - therefore, our administrators approach new players who deathmatch - unaware that it is not allowed - softer than SA:MP might, since it takes a while to explain the wrong-doing first and explaining can only be done by typing a solution for a mistake, not kicking a person for "DEATHMATCH OH MY GOD" since they will NEVER understand from this. If we ban each and every single person for not following at least all of the rules then we will not have any players left. <-- THIS IS WHAT THE MOANERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND Visitors from other servers just look at the VC:MP community in a bad way, that we transformed it into a deathmatch scene (which is absolutely not true), that our manager Klaus does nothing (screenshot above) - well guess what, he can't do anything when he's not online can he? Can't there be a theory that Klaus doesn't want everyone banned? Maybe he just wants people to learn from their mistakes independently rather than not giving them a chance to play at all? We have wonderful administrators in VC:MP. Legend, Avenger, Stormeus, aXXo, Spiral, Kent_Ancelotti, Alarba and many others who manage to keep the server under control even without the presence of our manager. Most hypocrites who come to rant on the VC:MP server just have personal problems with people in the admin team, they have no genuine reasons for their accusations, none that I am aware of. Don't blow me with your "you weren't here when it happened" shit here because it's quite easy to find out what's happened in the past years, unlike me there is many people who played a lot more on the VC:MP server than I have.
Et yes, it's a fact that people on MTA:VC don't deathmatch or cause any trouble but what is the reason behind this? There's an easy answer for this - everyone who plays on MTA is a veteran and they are accustomed with the rules and probably were for years. VC:MP is more open to new players and we have many new players entering our server every day, if you were in their place you would realize that it's not easy to get accustomed to a new style of playing.
* Perhaps one famous complain-bag I know can just not make the difference between a new player and a veteran. He/She/It (I will keep this discreet to avoid conflict) expects everyone to be perfect once they enter the server. "Hey you DM! Ban." is what goes on in that person's head most of the time probably and this gives him another reason to blame Klaus since he's "responsible for everyone on the server".
2. DDoS -> aXXo is already in the process of scripting a server in a completely different language called Squirrel and I have heard from a famous VC:MP Server Host Manager that that language prevents servers from being crashed, instead the overall latency just goes sky-high. PAWN has problems restarting after a deliberate DDoS for unknown reasons, auto-restart does not seem to work when someone is forcibly crashing the server and such crashes are easily recognized.
3. Hackers -> Each system/game/community has it's set of cheaters, there's nothing strange about it. It all goes down to one great guy hacking the memory of the game's engine, coding it into a launcher and passing it around to the whole world. Some people barely even know they are breaking the rules by using this modification which is most popularly called the "Trainer" program.
Solution -> Administrators. Employ more administrators who are active and fit for the job, I think everyone on the server stands a chance for becoming a Moderator/Admin one day. There is just too many of those inactive at the time being.
Well, in conclusion, I think locking down the server is just a feeble excuse for not being bothered to think about a proper way to solve issues. Not only VC:MP has these problems, all other networks on Argonath might just be facing the same issues. I'm sick and tired of people like Salmonella thinking that VC:MP's Argonath is a deathmatching paradise, they have absolutely no right to judge a server on which they just come online to insult the players and the manager for 3 minutes and then ragequit.
As my statistics say, in the past half year only 3-4 people had been banned for deathmatching. Rest have been banned for hacks. What does this say? That the theory of -transformation to a deathmatch haven- is wrong.
My final answer is that I disapprove with VC:MP being shut down. There has to be a more genuine way than giving everything up. I guess our leader will soon say what is left to say.
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Since there is no VCMP, there is nothing for us to do here, I guess.
Feel free to leave... We do not force anyone to sit here, I guess...
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We decided to open VCMP server due to the requests... After passing some time we set Klaus as a Community Leader of this server... The things started going good... Server became be alive, appeared a stable community... All was going good until sampers did not get in... Since that time VCMP turned into a troublemaking server... Continuosly complaints on the leaders and admins, fake accusations with fake report against Klaus... Reports were flooding even with the stuff of a longer time, like half year ago with the target to paint it as a current situation... Which means that during investigation the Argonath owners found out that the same logs were provided as a "proof" all around half of year...
Community separated on two sides... Old VCMPers with Klaus and sampers... The last were trying to turn Vice City into the SAMP traditional reports/complains/backstabbing and accusations community...
Spreading the same old years crap between each other and involving new people into this shit...
Not far ago one of them informed me personally, that VCMP server was crashed by those who do not like Klaus, and if I will not take actions, they will continue it...
Todays we got a new threat against server... The player was banned and after a short discussion we came to conclusion that the server should be shut down, as we both have no time and wish to be online and solve the problems, and as players themselves cannot handle it without hate/crashbots and faking shit...
Making up stories, digging all the time the old crap, provoking and involving into disrespect and non trust to the Community Leader Klaus all other players, constant bothering owners with the same stuff, crashing server and threatening to do it again and again while we will not remove Klaus (pressing on owners) - all this just finished our patience to the end...
As I said above - nor me neither Gandalf have time to present on server so that all will be "ok"... Without us players are not able to solve the problems... Server went into history...
Thats all folks...
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Aragorn, I understand that you guys have to bother with their shit. I really understand you because we all have been attacked by them, but if they are so annoying, why not just ignore them and tell them to f**k off? We love that server, we don't want it to die.
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Aragorn, I understand that you guys have to bother with their shit. I really understand you because we all have been attacked by them, but if they are so annoying, why not just ignore them and tell them to f**k off? We love that server, we don't want it to die.
Ignore it or not the server will still be raped by hypocrites and straight idiots who have problems with our community. Since there's a short string or less separating the continuing of VC:MP and it's shutdown, it's time to admit. Banning moaners was/will always be a useless thing, thinking that for every moaning ass that gets banned, another one who's even worse takes their place.
Trying to make the community prosper by not taking away the right of everyone's play was against Salmonella's views and many other SA:MPers who came to grief us, alas.
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The problem is, Perry, that the community is mixed... People do play on several our servers... We cannot tell to f**k off to those who are ok actually and even have a respect... But people do not understand the difference of mentality/traditions of gameplay on different servers, and we have no time and wish to teach each (aka changing someones minds/switching the play style)...
Yes we are tired and it was going nowhere and seems like permanently (aka endless story)...
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Server went into history...
Oh well, was nice to meet you guys! We had fun, we had good and bad times but well, everything has a end, sad to see this.
The problem is, Perry, that the community is mixed... People do play on several our servers... We cannot tell to f**k off to those who are ok actually and even have a respect... But people do not understand the difference of mentality/traditions of gameplay on different servers, and we have no time and wish to teach each (aka changing someones minds/switching the play style)...
Yes we are tired and it was going nowhere and seems like permanently (aka endless story)...
Can't Sauron fix this? :(
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Can't Sauron fix this? :(
Sauron is a hoster not a babysitter...
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Sauron is a hoster not a babysitter...
if we pray, can't he make a miracle? srsly, VC:MP was the 3rd most populated Argonath Server.
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So, this is it?
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RIP VC-MP Argonath Server :/..
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Yes, Marcus, you can thank to the group who was against Klaus who most of you supported. Have fun now ;)
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So, this is it?
RIP VC-MP Argonath Server :/..
Well, it's been nice knowing ya. :(
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Yes, Marcus, you can thank to the group who was against Klaus who most of you supported. Have fun now ;)
what?
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I'm sure your WS fellas know what I'm talking about.
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As far as I have read through this, the incomplete VC:MP Argonath project which had just acquired a new scripter will be dumped because of some SA:MPers with bulldog attitude?
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It's no worth to start arguing.. what is done is done... just keep the good memories you have and it's over..
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I'm sure your WS fellas know what I'm talking about.
My 'WS fellas' love ya.
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Well an abrupt loss of everything achieved over the past few years isn't easy to get over with for most.
But, I guess you're right. The server was fun. Cheers for the good times.
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I'm sure your WS fellas know what I'm talking about.
I'm WS, I'm a fella and I don't know.
It's no worth to start arguing.. what is done is done... just keep the good memories you have and it's over..
Indeed :bye:
My 'WS fellas' love ya.
I don't :neutral:
Well an abrupt loss of everything achieved over the past few years isn't easy to get over with for most.
True that
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The server was fun. Cheers for the good times.
Fuck yeah.
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I loved playing with all of you since 2008.
I'm sure your WS fellas know what I'm talking about.
What do you mean by that...?
Well an abrupt loss of everything achieved over the past few years isn't easy to get over with for most.
But, I guess you're right. The server was fun. Cheers for the good times.
Cheers!
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life is full of chapters, one comes another goes... it was just a chapter that came, was fun.. was really nice as it lasted, but now it's time for it to also go..
If you think like that, you will never go forward in your life, there are ton other things to do besides sitting home all day long playing one specific game...
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The server was fun. Cheers for the good times.
I love you Morphine, will miss you, join MTA:VC or IVMP so we can keep contact!
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Oh and one more thing.
Morphine, Fabio, Frank_Federico, detective_perry, TheRock, muzdaaz, ZeRoX346, Leonardo, stormeus, crook, ~Legend~, StatuZ and 26 Guests are viewing this topic.- Remarkable how everyone shows up at the fall of VC:MP Argonath, never seen this many care when it was actually stable standing.
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Oh and one more thing.
Morphine, Fabio, Frank_Federico, detective_perry, TheRock, muzdaaz, ZeRoX346, Leonardo, stormeus, crook, ~Legend~, StatuZ and 26 Guests are viewing this topic.- Remarkable how everyone shows up at the fall of VC:MP Argonath, never seen this many care when it was actually stable standing.
Forum activity has nothing to do with this, forum users do look at last 'posted topics' on the index, and right now, this topic is listed 5 times there.. so guess why all this activity ;)
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Ohh this is bad!!! :cry:
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Forum activity has nothing to do with this, forum users do look at last 'posted topics' on the index, and right now, this topic is listed 5 times there.. so guess why all this activity ;)
5 of 25 guests are celebrating the fall of the server.
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And with a mighty crash, a beloved locale was gone.
Wiped from existence, its presence once adored, but all seemed lost.
With a great thud, the once mighty server now lay cold and dead.
-- Book of VC:MP, 13:37
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I'm quite saddened by this. I was starting to play VC:MP more lately too. Damn, that sucks. :(
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Even Argonath has it's own Secret Society...
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5 of 25 guests are celebrating the fall of the server.
How do you know?
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How do you know?
Common sense.
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Guys come to the chat, so we can discause it live.
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You know what? Fuck this. I've been playing on this server for over three years of my life. And I am in no way going to sit on this thread and watch it burn. I know those certain people are probably laughing and really proud of themselves. But you know what? As long as I'm here, and as long as the owners truly believe in this server - this is not the end. I don't know whos with me, but I am going to fight to get this server back.
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I don't know whos with me,
You know we are.
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You know what? f**k this. I've been playing on this server for over three years of my life. And I am in no way going to sit on this thread and watch it burn. I know those certain people are probably laughing and really proud of themselves. But you know what? As long as I'm here, and as long as the owners truly believe in this server - this is not the end. I don't know whos with me, but I am going to fight to get this server back.
I'm totaly with you!
I play for only 8 mounts maybe but its really fun, and i'm not gonna watch it burning down!
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f**k this.
no way going to sit on this thread and watch it burn
I don't know whos with me, but I am going to fight to get this server back.
Technically everyone. :m4:
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I don't know whos with me, but I am going to fight to get this server back.
Is there anyone here not with you?
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Idk why you guys complained on Klaus (those guys know who they are) but if Klaus wasn't managing the server, it would've fallen apart long ago.
Is there anyone here not with you?
Yes, yes there is. You know them already.
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Technically everyone. :m4:
Agreed. I love this server and the mates I play with.
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Yes, yes there is. You know them already.
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If you are a true VCMP player, this is your time to stand up. It doesn't matter if you was a cop or criminal. It doesn't matter if you was one those crabs living in Starfish or one of those broke players begging for me to stop taxing. We need to prove to the owners that this server is worth every penny. Sitting here and typing "oh it was good while it lasted RIP bb" is BS.
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I think I've typed enough on the first page.
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If you are a true VCMP player, this is your time to stand up. It doesn't matter if you was a cop or criminal. It doesn't matter if you was one those crabs living in Starfish or one of those broke players begging for me to stop taxing. We need to prove to the owners that this server is worth every penny. Sitting here and typing "oh it was good while it lasted RIP bb" is BS.
Agreed Klaus.
Agreed. I love this server and the mates I play with.
You stole my words muz.
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Well let's start a short vote then.
People wishing for the server to stay on write your words of affirmation.
People wishing for the server to stay off.. close your browser.
Total votes for YES : 3
Total votes for NO: -0
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People wishing for the server to stay off.. burn your computer.
Fixed.
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F*ck yeah!Let's fight for our good times and continue them! We can't stop now after 3,5 years!
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F*ck yeah!Let's fight for our good times and continue them! We can't stop now after 3,5 years!
You're right Rapture! The way it looked when i was playing it looked like it could go on for ever in the good way.
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If you guys want the server back, don't stop fighting for it, but the attitude in the server needs to change. I can't even begin to count the number of complaints I've received, nor the number of times I've seen admins supporting racist flames with in-game announcements. VC:MP has some serious potential, especially with it's dedicated players and the fact that VC:MP 0.4 is coming out soon, but overall it will not last if the players can't control themselves. The server owners should not have to go out of their way to deal with problems that the admin team should be solving, not creating. If you truly and honestly want it back, you need to be sure that this will not happen again. I'm not promising anything here as it's not my position to do so, but I bet if you can prove that things have changed, they might give it another chance. I also HIGHLY suggest VC:MP become more involved with the rest of the community. It's so far closed off from the rest of Argo that many people don't want to play there because they feel it's becoming it's own community.
Like I said, if you guys want things back, see this as a positive chance to fix anything regarding past issues so you can start off fresh and prove that VC:MP is the server it claims to be. In my personal opinion, only that is what will drive the server to success and make the server owners want to give it a second chance.
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I have just been staring at the topics, speaking to people that came by, unsure what to make of things or even put here. Even though I have a load of things on my mind, I'm really not able to piece them altogether.
In the 2-3 years I've been here, I have had some great experiences, and things that I always used to look forward to when I joined the server each time. VC:MP, of course, opened Argonath for me personally (as well as for so many others), and I would hate to see this particular side - this particular community in its own right having to go as a whole, and in this way.
While I don't agree with a number of the posts and comments that have been coming in, at the end of the day it's one community - not smaller, little factions or groups trying to claim dominance. In that light, some of the hints or little remarks have been completely absurd.
Change... perhaps for people to take a step back and clear their minds once again, is what is required.
For those that will be turning away or standing on unfirm grounds (and in their own respect, too), going to miss the real friends that I made, and the people I met. Even in my time I saw a lot of people come and go, but there were a handful that really made the community what it is.
Your friend,
Legend
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Well, this is a rather interetant history, I've met Argonath RPG since 2 years ago and I had many fun times. Just because a bunch of morons who really don't have nothing else better to do than accusating Klaus (who is an excellent manager!) for 'corruption' and other false bullshit. Alongside the 'threats', man, we have been throught alot harder stuff than this, and because a crew of morons it gonna get closed down? Ignore, range ban, or block these fuckheads from the server.
VC:MP is not popular like SA:MP due it's engine and antiquety, but like I say 'quality over quantity', because me and my other friends have alot of 'fucking arround' and fun moments, regardingless of their role indepth the server. We all know how Klaus and the managers, including scripters; aXXo and Stormeus have worked hard on this server, we can't just cross our fucking arms and let it fall down. Now, consider this as an obvious 'yes' for the VC:MP Argonath RPG server re-open.
Regards.
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Umm... Interesting... I dont expected something like this. I wont let Argonath server go that easy, this server made the 50% of my english skills, thanks to the server, i can talk spanish and english.. Around 3/4 years been here... maybe 2 years of inactivity.. but wont let it go.
So yeah, just like Admantis said, VCMP is not popular like SAMP, since they're quality are different, so cmon dont close this big and great server for some sa:mp bulldogs. If you guys come and call me SAMP player i can tell you guys i dont play it anymore, got me easily bored, i prefer staying at VCMP with my pals. Dont accuse Klaus and administrators for the server quality, since its good, the thing that its bad are the newb-dmers. Yeah, take this as another "Yes" for VC:MP Argonath server re-opening. I didnt spend alot of time for this shit..
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I may be a bit new to this, I may know shit at the moment, but I know one thing... VCMP players love this place and me too, since we had a chat in the admin convo I wasn't playing for months to clear the "f**khead" of the server a bit... And when I come back now it's even worse, and the week I'm playing again the situation and players it's all fine I think... I'm with you guys ^
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VC:MP is not popular like SA:MP due it's engine and antiquety, but like I say 'quality over quantity',
We all know how Klaus and the managers, including scripters; aXXo and Stormeus have worked hard on this server, we can't just cross our f**king arms and let it fall down. Now, consider this as an obvious 'yes' for the VC:MP Argonath RPG server re-open.
Regards.
Yep Its Right, Server should be up, cuz our Leaders and All the Staff of Argonath worked alot on it,
About *Threats* i don't understand that, "i know some guys who once said me i will hack Argonath on Yahoo i'll never Leave it."
and i think if he will see this, he will contact me.
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VC:MP is dead? Are you f**king kidding me? Are you scared of all those idiots who think they can end VC:MP. Joke, right? Total bullsh1t. VC:MP - Argonath was my first multi-player game and server so I can't let it end this way. I'm with VC:MP - Argonath RPG and always will be. You have my support.
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Well, this is a rather interetant history, I've met Argonath RPG since 2 years ago and I had many fun times. Just because a bunch of morons who really don't have nothing else better to do than accusating Klaus (who is an excellent manager!) for 'corruption' and other false bullshit. Alongside the 'threats', man, we have been throught alot harder stuff than this, and because a crew of morons it gonna get closed down? Ignore, range ban, or block these f**kheads from the server.
And your flaming attitude is exactly why the server is closed.
Take heed players...if you want the server to come back, change your attitude. Flaming is not going to get you anything but a permanent closing of the server.
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I played yesterday and after that i slept... didnt knew these things were happening after that...
All I want to say to gandalf/aragorn is this:
VCMP server is closed due to these reasons??
Maybe we aint good to RP standards set by some players, who think that Gun-Shooting is not part of an RP.
Maybe we are lenient to new players and hackers.
Maybe when one guy in a gang is wanted, our compadres help them.
Maybe gang-nature in vcmp > ARPD, which shouldnt be the case.
Maybe of ops crasher...
these are some of the many reasons vcmp is history now?
Now I will give some reasons why it should be back:
VCMP can never get same sets of players that are playing on server since 2007. (ex Call_me_Dad/aXXo, klaus, legend)
We never BS on forums or backstab people having other business.
We dont come on SAMP server and like Salmonella try to attain attitude and power typing: Now I am here in vcmp, I will take controls of things, everything gonna be normal now I am here.
Ask aXXo for all chatlogs, thats never been deleted: and you will notice gangs RP more than the "fallen" guys.
Also, you will never get same set of guys who keep server in harmony and peace for years. These set of players made argonath second most busiest server in vcmp.
Even argonath MTA didnt achieved it.
"Also, we are not clicking "connect" button to get pics of admins after provoking them. We click "connect" to play in this server."
The biggest reason ??
Klaus is irreplaceable.
Server was dead for six months. We never seen Salmonella, fabio, JayL helping us. Where were you guys then? Why not helping us?
Who made it? aXXo right. Who bought server back to life? Klaus did with his right attitude and being regular.
Not only these two figures. Every regular vcmp player is responsible for bringing server back from dead.
Since then we have been playing on this server, regularly, emotionally, for what??
To see this day? when the players who bought vcmp to life, played regularly, making friends with newcomers from DM servers are the reason the server is dead?
And your flaming attitude is exactly why the server is closed.
Take heed players...if you want the server to come back, change your attitude. Flaming is not going to get you anything but a permanent closing of the server.
His flaming has nothing to do with closing of server.
Check samp forum and vcmp section logs. SAMP forums got more flaming each min than vcmp forum has flaming each day.
Our attitude towards server is "right"
Check yours
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I'm pretty sure Gandalf mentioned it was temporary in the other topic, just wait and see guys :)
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I'm pretty sure Gandalf mentioned it was temporary in the other topic, just wait and see guys :)
He also said it depends on people's future attitudes.
His flaming has nothing to do with closing of server.
Check samp forum and vcmp section logs. SAMP forums got more flaming each min than vcmp forum has flaming each day.
Our attitude towards server is "right"
Check yours
1. That does not matter. He is still flaming regardless, which is not allowed.
2. Check mine? I never flamed anyone.
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There are some good point made here and some that show the problems.
The good points : VC:MP is not SA:MP and should not become like it. Just as MTA:VC is never going to work like the SA:MP community and we are doing our best to keep the shit away from IV:MP.
The bad points : someone wrote that rulebreakers are accepted because there are not much people.
This is not acceptable. When we started 5 years ago there was one thing people would not get away with, and that was rule breaking. We might be patient by not banning directly, but you could be very sure that any flame or DM would be reacted on right away, and any player who wished to start shit would be out at once. That way you grow the community better as by allowing rules to be broken.
We have made a clear point today to those who wish to resort to backstabbing and reporting behind his back without giving Klaus the chance to resolve issues. We will not bother to sort out all shit. If we need to remove Klaus, we close the server. That does not mean Klaus is free to turn the server in to a DM-flame zone, as that will also lead to it being shut down.
And if Klaus decides it is time to step down, he will have to appoint someone that he trusts can continue to keep the project alive.
So from now on we expect the following:
1. VC:MP team is going to clean up their act, remove rulebreakers, flaming and racism from their community.
2. If anyone finds it necessary to complain on admins or server leaders they report to [email protected] Klaus reads these reports, but so do we and we see whatever reaction or follow up is given.
3. We will never support backstabbers, crashers and people who try to work in secret to show how bad things are without there being a chance for those they point on to reply openly.
4. If the VC:MP team can not handle things, we WILL close the server.
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If you guys want the server back, don't stop fighting for it, but the attitude in the server needs to change. I can't even begin to count the number of complaints I've received, nor the number of times I've seen admins supporting racist flames with in-game announcements. VC:MP has some serious potential, especially with it's dedicated players and the fact that VC:MP 0.4 is coming out soon, but overall it will not last if the players can't control themselves. The server owners should not have to go out of their way to deal with problems that the admin team should be solving, not creating.
Oh for fuck sake....
Making up stories, digging all the time the old crap, provoking and involving into disrespect and non trust to the Community Leader Klaus all other players, constant bothering owners with the same stuff, crashing server and threatening to do it again and again while we will not remove Klaus (pressing on owners) - all this just finished our patience to the end...
How mane times we heard a story about racial admins and leader Klaus?
When on the investigation it showed that racial logs which we got as "racism from Klaus" with the screenshots was incorrect... We talked with Klaus about it, checked logs who exactly was typing it, Klaus had a talk with admin, admin even apologized on forums...
Still... We constantly get a shit amount of reports about...... this fucking single case which was already solved... This is what I was talking about... It is nothing but a hunting to bring down the Leader... This shameful witchhunting took increadible sizes... We started getting... THE SAME REPORT AND SCREENSHOTS ABOUT THE SAME RASIAL THINGY form those who were not even those times on server... It means this fucking accident which was solved and explained over and over goes around sampers and everyone who did not like Klaus either any admin...
People who are not even witnesses of the situation they accuse VCMP Leader and admins continue to suck this poisoned candy...
Taking our time to investigate things (yeah it looked like Klaus is zomg bastard racist who is everyday spread a lot of shit on server) and finding out that all new complains are still about old stuff pissed us off... As it was taking our time for nothing with old crap, explanations that the accident is already over the admin who did it apologized and other shit, we became be angry...
As for crashers, I said once to the one who told me about them, I can repeat here - I will not fucking pay attention were you my friend or admin on Argonath or wanted your things running much better... Once you will be detected as a crasher - you are fucking out from all Argonath services... That will not even bother us to close all sites for him, we will just block his IP from our servers machines...
And yeah this method of "Klaus is bad!" producing (crashbotters) just showed more Klaus from the positive side, not those who were crying about him...
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Oh for f**k sake....
My post wasn't directed at anyone specifically RON :(
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I am quite a bit in the dark about this but I understand perfectly that things are a little turbulent for VC:MP. Always had the highest respect for Klaus and tried connecting to VC:MP(was not too successful) because I always liked the server, whenever I have connected.
I am appalled at whichever 'SAMPer' has been indulging in such shit - be it a friend, admin, whoever. From the SA:MP side I sincerely am apologetic that SA:MP has such people, whoever they are. I hope that VC:MP will come back, better than ever before.
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I used to play VC:MP while I was banned, community seemed great, lack of roleplay, but who cares, people had fun. From what I've heard from my brother who plays there(Jeff_Sanders), he has lots of fun, he tried out SA:MP from my account once, didn't like it due to shitty behavior to newbies I guess. Back on topic, just because the admins there handle things differently and not with the banhammer in their hand, doesn't mean you have to punish regulars for it. If I am not wrong, SA:MP was crashed numerous times, why don't you just close it too due to "Chances of being hacked again"? I support VC:MP players on this one, keep the server, its their home, its where they have fun. I do not think that removing the server will get things any better(Except for maybe owners paying less for hosting).
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WHAT? the server closed!?
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WHAT? the server closed!?
Read the [fairly obviously titled] locked topic in this forum made by Gandalf.
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Read the [fairly obviously titled] locked topic in this forum made by Gandalf.
Which has been removed as server is back up. :D
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So from now on we expect the following:
1. VC:MP team is going to clean up their act, remove rulebreakers, flaming and racism from their community.
2. If anyone finds it necessary to complain on admins or server leaders they report to [email protected] Klaus reads these reports, but so do we and we see whatever reaction or follow up is given.
3. We will never support backstabbers, crashers and people who try to work in secret to show how bad things are without there being a chance for those they point on to reply openly.
4. If the VC:MP team can not handle things, we WILL close the server.
Will be done. :)
Everyone here deserves a second chance...
I want everyone to forget their past relations with others.
No VCMP regular will harass any player who was against Klaus.
Everyone is supposed to resolve their hostilities that rose up due to this issue.
Those who were not supporting Klaus are welcome to join the server again....if any regular expresses any kind of hostility towards them...report them to me on PM.
And plssss ffs stop laming around and taking screenies.....just play the fucking game and enjoy it.
Since the owners have decided to give VCMP a second chance.
It would be cool if you guys give each other another chance too. One big happy family MOTHAFUKAAS!
Okay, server is back up...now you can kiss each other :)
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Which has been removed as server is back up. :D
lol smartypants <3
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Holy shit.
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I'm for / with Klaus on this one.
Argonath VC:MP has became in what it is because of the great community we have, the players in it, the whole scenario.
Sure, I agree that Klaus over reacts a little bit sometimes, and he f*cks everything up sometimes, but hey, who would run VC:MP if he leaves? I love VC:MP for the way it is, as fun as it is, with the adrenaline you can get there, totally different from the other Argonath servers. There's no way Argonath VC:MP can close, and there is no way to choose another leader. We all have issues, we can overcome them, that's all.
Let's just be a great big f*cking family.
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THANK YOU! :D
:bird:
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Well since we're back in business all I can say is
CHEERS and keep the celebrations coming.
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: )
Let's make the most of this.
VC:MP forever - let's not let anything take that away, or simply ruin it.
I'm sure most regulars have found a time in the community which was really great, and irreplaceable. I wonder if we can keep all our experiences like that.
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Thanks god it has been re-opened. We have been gave another chance- use it wisely! And about Klaus.. Those people who are reporting him are " :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:" . Klaus is very good admin and leader. He supports people, helps new people, he is helpful and funny, couldn't find better leader my self.
Closing down VC-MP would be radiculous. Mostly of Regulars in Sa-Mp came from VC-MP, it's like their Father, the 1st grade. Vc-Mp Argo CANNOT BE CLOSED DOWN! If it would ever be, it would be the worst disaster Argonath would ever have...
Cheers, [TGC]Hitman
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Well, I feel sorry for SA:MP's lost souls connecting under fake nicknames, trying to provoke players and screen every negative situation.
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No VCMP regular will harass any player who was against Klaus.
y u all ignore me!!! :cry:
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I feel sorry for VC:MP souls who supported SA:MP 'attackers' by snitching on players and admin team, instead of saying they problem directly.
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I feel sorry for VC:MP souls who supported SA:MP 'attackers' by snitching on players and admin team, instead of saying they problem directly.
And i feel sorry for souls who continue to provoke on this topic when it should be locked and the community's soul re-viltalised.
P.S Went on the server today,Loved it.
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Well as I finally got on server expect that it will be more checked by owners in undercover way... I do honestly warn you all...
VCMPers do not know yet what is Aragorn, but the good thing that SAMPers do know good...
If you all havd fun - make friendship... If you cannot and feel some hate to others - go on other servers... Maybe there you will feel better... We no way want you all being harrased and insulted in a simple multiplayer game...
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I'm for / with Klaus on this one.
Sure, I agree that Klaus over reacts a little bit sometimes, and he f*cks everything up sometimes, but hey
Yeah, I guess I am the Mustaine of the VC:MP band. Cheers Marc
(http://megadeth.rockmetal.art.pl/pic/metallica_friends.jpg)
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haha, and who am I ? James? :lol:
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No, you are Kirk.
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Well as I finally got on server expect that it will be more checked by owners in undercover way... I do honestly warn you all...
VCMPers do not know yet what is Aragorn, but the good thing that SAMPers do know good...
If you all havd fun - make friendship... If you cannot and feel some hate to others - go on other servers... Maybe there you will feel better... We no way want you all being harrased and insulted in a simple multiplayer game...
Glad to hear about the decision of undercover watches now RON. I think that will appease to both sides of the situation and keep both happy and under control now. :)
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haha, and who am I ? James? :lol:
Ye :P
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Well as I finally got on server expect that it will be more checked by owners in undercover way... I do honestly warn you all...
VCMPers do not know yet what is Aragorn, but the good thing that SAMPers do know good...
If you all havd fun - make friendship... If you cannot and feel some hate to others - go on other servers... Maybe there you will feel better... We no way want you all being harrased and insulted in a simple multiplayer game...
It was very good to see you in VC:MP, Aragorn.
Hope you come visit us again in the not too distant future. :)
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All was going good until sampers did not get in...
I'm Mortally Offended :hit:
Julio Collin/Joe Deleon
EDIT:
Started as a joke, but am actually starting to get quite annoyed as you say 'SA:MPers' as an insult.
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:lol:
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I'm Mortally Offended :hit:
Julio Collin/Joe Deleon
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Started as a joke, but am actually starting to get quite annoyed as you say 'SA:MPers' as an insult.
Yes, it's pretty much an "insult" , but thing is, we have our reasons.. Players form SA-MP when they come in they feel like they're ABOVE everything, it's like "Oh you guys are shite you play VCMP this old crap and i'm from higher grade, i play Sa-MP" . I dont say everyone but most of them
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Nobody is higher grade, each game is different and can't be compared.. Just don't mind these people, report tool exists for provocations, and as well you can take screens and e-mail them directly to [email protected] if these people do it constantly. ;).
Glad to hear that server is up, I came by yesterday to check it out, stayed for a bit..
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Nobody is higher grade, each game is different and can't be compared.. Just don't mind these people, report tool exists for provocations, and as well you can take screens and e-mail them directly to [email protected] if these people do it constantly. ;).
Glad to hear that server is up, I came by yesterday to check it out, stayed for a bit..
Or one of the other emails, depending on the situation.
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Just don't mind these people, report tool exists for provocations, and as well you can take screens and e-mail them directly to [email protected] if these people do it constantly. ;).
[email protected]
For those who do not know yet...
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[email protected]
For those who do not know yet...
I knew that :razz:
And about the high-grade thing,it's bullshit.
I still play GTA3-MTA sometimes and find it even more interesting than others.
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I knew that :razz:
And about the high-grade thing,it's bullshit.
I still play GTA3-MTA sometimes and find it even more interesting than others.
Agreed. GTA3:MTA is, and always will be, my favorite GTA MP ever.
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Seems like I stumbled on this topic a bit late, yet I will give my input as I consider myself also as a VC:MP Player (I am not "a typical SA:MPer", in fact I am proud of starting in VC), although I only arrived on the server (as a regular) a little more than a month ago.
So far, the only thing I have directly seen is the massive flaming on server ("fuck you, asshole"-style remarks are fairly common), with the reasoning "if we do not remove rulebreakers we will not have any more players"... bullshit. I'm glad to see that the Owners have taken a firm stand on this, and that it will be resolved.
One other thing that concerns me, is the distance between Argonath VC:MP and the rest of the community. It is not that I wish Argonath VC:MP to become like SA:MP (believe me, no), but VC:MP does not appear as tied with the rest of the servers as MTA:VC, SA:MP, and IV:MP (not counting MTA:SA as it is not up and active yet), and the hatred of some VC:MPers for "SA:MPers" that borders on racism. I would understand that people from the older servers of Argonath would hate some of the attitude-corrupt people we have in SA:MP who ruin things all over Argonath, which is one of the reasons I even became an Admin there; to help clean up the filth. As long as VC:MP does not contract a certain kind of corrupting players from SA:MP, I would be happy to see it closer with the rest of Argonath.
There's also been the matter of some animosity between some Criminal Players and [WS] members, and it just doesn't seem right to me. Think of me as strange if you want, but I've always been someone with many friends on both cop and criminal sides, and I have never been fond of tension between them outside the bounds of reasonable sportsmanship. I hope this will be fixed as well.
Personally, I'm quite happy that VC:MP is up again. Not because I recently got a ghetto house there ( :lol: ), but because Argonath just wouldn't be the same if it lost half of its Vice City factor.
Here's to a brighter Vice City future. :D
:ps: For that person who said Argonath MTA:VC never achieved second-most active server on MTA, we achieved Most Active MTA:VC server even. Even one of our "old friends" was moaning on MTA:VC Day "How did you get so much players???", when the rest of the MTA servers are dead. :lol:
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I am wayyyyyyy late on this one...
But.... I LOVE THIS SERVER :cry:
It's a goddamn good place to sometimes to come cool off from what ever the shit you have on in reallife, and imo from what I saw for being in this server for three years now (since Klaus was lvl 2), he always did good job. I may not be happy with him not promoting to lvl 3 b4 JL, but shit, still I respect his decisions and especially the way he acts, always so cool while I rage 110% :D
Going to be there tomorrow at last (on server) if I can find the IP + right version of VCMP.. :D
:ps: As known for my impatience, I didn't read the 2-7 pages :s
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I am wayyyyyyy late on this one...
But.... I LOVE THIS SERVER :cry:
It's a goddamn good place to sometimes to come cool off from what ever the shit you have on in reallife, and imo from what I saw for being in this server for three years now (since Klaus was lvl 2), he always did good job. I may not be happy with him not promoting to lvl 3 b4 JL, but shit, still I respect his decisions and especially the way he acts, always so cool while I rage 110% :D
Going to be there tomorrow at last (on server) if I can find the IP + right version of VCMP.. :D
:ps: As known for my impatience, I didn't read the 2-7 pages :s
KESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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KESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Yes, I love you too :)
:ps: WTF is the version of VCMP? :D
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Yes, I love you too :)
:ps: WTF is the version of VCMP? :D
Latest one currently released.
http://www.vicecitymultiplayer.com/ (http://www.vicecitymultiplayer.com/)
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KESSUUUUUUUUUUUU :D
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Wait ... What the fuck ? I left For a Mesily Month Due to Computer Getting restart .. And VCMP IS FUCKING CLOSED :@ WWVCMP (We Want VCMP)
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Wait ... What the f**k ? I left For a Mesily Month Due to Computer Getting restart .. And VCMP IS f**kING CLOSED :@ WWVCMP (We Want VCMP)
It's open...
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Oh shame ...
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lol'd so fucking much about the segregation between "samp'ers" and "vcmp'ers".Of course - despite the fact that today's VCMP players are nothing else but a handful of analrapes that pretend to play Argonath for several years, which most of the server doesn't.Another epic fuck is that people like Rock, Sugar or others (yes, including me) are seen as SAMP'ers and not true VCMP'ers.
Applying about the quote "omg y u moan we heft [email protected]" - This is just fucked up.
If anyone is standing against me if I say that the server has turned into 'cops versus robbers' , then I suppose that person can only have Justin Bieber in his mind.
There's this method that they use : If a DMer appears, shoot back so he will learn - He won't, lol. He'll just get along with the DMish mood and keep goin'.
I'll just hope it'll turn to a funful RP server again, as it was the years before '10/'11
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lol'd so f**king much about the segregation between "samp'ers" and "vcmp'ers".Of course - despite the fact that today's VCMP players are nothing else but a handful of analrapes that pretend to play Argonath for several years, which most of the server doesn't.Another epic f**k is that people like Rock, Sugar or others (yes, including me) are seen as SAMP'ers and not true VCMP'ers.
Applying about the quote "omg y u moan we heft [email protected]" - This is just f**ked up.
If anyone is standing against me if I say that the server has turned into 'cops versus robbers' , then I suppose that person can only have Justin Bieber in his mind.
There's this method that they use : If a DMer appears, shoot back so he will learn - He won't, lol. He'll just get along with the DMish mood and keep goin'.
I'll just hope it'll turn to a funful RP server again, as it was the years before '10/'11
Actually in the MTA:VC days that is exactly what we did... if a DMer comes in, show them that RPer can fight him so he either gets curious about the added value of RP, or moves back to his server in shame that he can not beat "RP pussies".
When the DMer left, all continued as before...
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Compare the atmosphere of MTA:VC and the people who did that to the atmosphere of VC:MP and the people who do it there.MTA:VC doesn't have its server list occupied with DM servers by 99%
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There's this method that they use : If a DMer appears, shoot back so he will learn - He won't, lol. He'll just get along with the DMish mood and keep goin'.
I'll just hope it'll turn to a funful RP server again, as it was the years before '10/'11
Lie... It was NEVER the pure roleplay server... None of Vice City servers were EVER pure roleplay servers... It was exactly Cops vs robbers, and the script support shows it even better...
Those pussies who cannot stand against a dmer can cry somewhere else... Argonath never was afraid of dmers or even hackers... Besides it DMer will never understand what is VICE CITY ROLEPLAY if he even did not try it and the first what he got - an admin f*ck...
The one we were striktly forbidding - dmer at the party or event... And even that situation supposes one hour ban, the permban was coming only to those constant dming in purpose to ruin the event...
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Compare the atmosphere of MTA:VC and the people who did that to the atmosphere of VC:MP and the people who do it there.MTA:VC doesn't have its server list occupied with DM servers by 99%
Are you f*cking kidding me? We had even "better" - dmers + concurrent roleplayers who were breaking our rules in purpose... Still nobody was moaning like you now...
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Lie... It was NEVER the pure roleplay server... None of Vice City servers were EVER pure roleplay servers... It was exactly Cops vs robbers, and the script support shows it even better...
Seems like you never visited the VC:MP server in 2009 and saw that we had so called RPs. And yes, today it is pure cops v. robbers. Thanks for clarifying.
Those pussies who cannot stand against a dmer can cry somewhere else... Argonath never was afraid of dmers or even hackers... Besides it DMer will never understand what is VICE CITY ROLEPLAY if he even did not try it and the first what he got - an admin f*ck...
Stop freaking out and calling people pussies, nobody does that to you either.Oh yeah, there were DMers that understood the meaning how to roleplay in Vice City .
The one we were striktly forbidding - dmer at the party or event... And even that situation supposes one hour ban, the permban was coming only to those constant dming in purpose to ruin the event...
What does that bring now? Nobody asked about Event-ruin-punishments or anything near that.
Are you f*cking kidding me? We had even "better" - dmers + concurrent roleplayers who were breaking our rules in purpose... Still nobody was moaning like you now...
I suppose if I collect hundreds of pictures containing abuse and all that fucking shit, I have a right to (what you so call) moan.
And again, you totally get off the subject lol.
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Seems like you never visited the VC:MP server in 2009 and saw that we had so called RPs. And yes, today it is pure cops v. robbers. Thanks for clarifying.
Stop freaking out and calling people pussies, nobody does that to you either.Oh yeah, there were DMers that understood the meaning how to roleplay in Vice City .
I guess that you never visited MTA:VC in 2007. In 2009 the SA:MP community was already corrupting RP everywhere.
What does that bring now? Nobody asked about Event-ruin-punishments or anything near that.
I suppose if I collect hundreds of pictures containing abuse and all that f**king shit, I have a right to (what you so call) moan.
And again, you totally get off the subject lol.
You can collect millions of picture, but as long as you do not send them to the developer (KLAUS) you have no right to moan. If you wish to continue a backstabbing campaign, I suggest you to check the recent bans and warnings given to others.
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I guess that you never visited MTA:VC in 2007. In 2009 the SA:MP community was already corrupting RP everywhere.
Guessed right. Was really difficult, right? :) We're talking about the VC:MP RP though. Nothing about SAMP RP and corrupting.
You can collect millions of picture, but as long as you do not send them to the developer (KLAUS) you have no right to moan. If you wish to continue a backstabbing campaign, I suggest you to check the recent bans and warnings given to others.
Well, as well as I was informed, you told us to forward to you, which we did, but you seemed to be busy with something else (wonder what). And yes, exactly for that, I can moan as much as I want, even if I have no right to do so :)
I don't care about the banish- and warnishments that were given, because they don't concern me in any fucking way.
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I don't care about the banish- and warnishments that were given, because they don't concern me in any f**king way.
They do now.
As for your collection, sending one year old screenshots of mostly RP situations or mistakes of admins that were never reported to the developer does not impress me.
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Emre, I think as long as everyone has fun people should continue the way they play.
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Compare the atmosphere of MTA:VC and the people who did that to the atmosphere of VC:MP and the people who do it there.MTA:VC doesn't have its server list occupied with DM servers by 99%
Maybe you don't know the history of why RP servers even exist then. Argonath RPG, and the community it spawned from on MTA:VC, ab RPG (<-Forum censor changed it to "ab"), were the FIRST two RP servers in EXISTENCE or ANY GTA multiplayer mod. They are the reason why RP exists today. If you had EVER played MTA:VC, you'd know that up to today, the ONLY TWO gamemodes it supports by default are Deathmatch and Stunt. That means even if the server name was <Community Name> RPG, the gamemode was still listed as Deathmatch. If you say MTA:VC didn't have DM'ers, then you seriously need to open your damn eyes. They still show up today because Argonath RPG is the only populated server left that survived the fall of ASE. DM'ers have always been an issue, ESPECIALLY because of the gamemode. Not even SA:MP had it as bad. The next time you go and talk shit, maybe you should get your facts straight first. I don't appreciate you bashing the server that is the whole reason why all your other precious servers even exist.
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how was argo mtavc in 2007 owners?
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how was argo mtavc in 2007 owners?
Amazing.
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Unless the Developers or Admin Team in VC:MP are openly abusing their authority and breaking admins rules, I do not think there is anything to really worry about...
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Unless the Developers or Admin Team in VC:MP are openly abusing their authority and breaking admins rules, I do not think there is anything to really worry about...
And if they do there is always [email protected]
Remember that not just the developers read it but owners as well.
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Amazing.
how?
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how?
Despite the rulebreakers, the simplistic RP was incredibly fun because users actually RP'ed and used their imaginations. They weren't dependent on scripts, ranks, status, or money. They just came up with creative ideas, respected each other, and had a great time. Still to this day many players believe MTA:VC's basic RP is extremely fun once you get used to it.
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@ Emre, I told you this last year also, stop shitting on VCMP if you don't understand it.
@ SugarD, Agreed (I didn't play MTAVC in 2007, but midway of 2008, tho' not so actively)
About handlung the DMers? I handle them with ease. First run away, tell them to stop, if they don't, kill 'em and afterwards tell them why not to DM. If they do stop, then explain what's the server is about and they become curious unless if they're hopeless cases that can't RP.
And about the comment "If every1 has fun, then it's the way to do it" I goddam agree with that 100%.
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Hehe. Don't ya peeps get sick and tired of this shit? I mean sure I did complain about this server too but after I saw that owners clearly have different vision about it than me..what's the point staying? And make that question to yourself too, peeps. If you do not like to play here..why staying? Just move along. And trying to make a difference when owners just calls you moaners or SAMPers..it's not worth it. For all those who likes to play here.good for you and enjoy your staying. But really is it worth to loose your mind over this? Both sides of this thing. just do stuff what you like to do. If it does not include playing here then fine go and have fun somewhere else, like me. And really waste of time if any of you start to question my loyalty for this server. I had loyalty for my vision but it was not going to be. So just drop this and keep playing and have fun!
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Hehe. Don't ya peeps get sick and tired of this shit? I mean sure I did complain about this server too but after I saw that owners clearly have different vision about it than me..what's the point staying? And make that question to yourself too, peeps. If you do not like to play here..why staying? Just move along. And trying to make a difference when owners just calls you moaners or SAMPers..it's not worth it. For all those who likes to play here.good for you and enjoy your staying. But really is it worth to loose your mind over this? Both sides of this thing. just do stuff what you like to do. If it does not include playing here then fine go and have fun somewhere else, like me. And really waste of time if any of you start to question my loyalty for this server. I had loyalty for my vision but it was not going to be. So just drop this and keep playing and have fun!
I agree. If you do not like how things work on any server, you can always find another one.
And if not... then choose the best )us) amd stp[ trying to make it in to something that is boring.
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@ Emre, I told you this last year also, stop shitting on VCMP if you don't understand it.
So what is it, that I don't seem to understand?Write it via fucking PM, there's no need to debate in here anymore.
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So what is it, that I don't seem to understand?Write it via f**king PM, there's no need to debate in here anymore.
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Yeah make sure other people can not read and answer to anything...
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Yeah make sure other people can not read and answer to anything...
Just wanted to refrain from arguing in here again...
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I was on topic and not provoking you from my opinion, so there's no need to take it to PM. Otherwise, I would, believe me.
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Otherwise, I would, believe me.
You would. (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Lie)I still prefer to do that via PM, if you respect that.
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You would. (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Lie)I still prefer to do that via PM, if you respect that.
For really son?
You really start provoking me when I finally try to have a f**king flameless conversation here? Flame removed. Ease up.
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For really son?
You really start provoking me when I finally try to have a f**king flameless conversation here? Removed.
So why are you raging on me with vertical exaggeration?I just asked.
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So why are you raging on me with vertical exaggeration?I just asked.
Asking - as in your case telling - that I would lie that (which I have absolutely no reason to) was completely unnecessary, as was my flaming, but it is fucking right to flame the shit out of you since you come here saying what's wrong with the server you don't even fucking play... Come on, since when you were last time online? I've been here since january 2008 and always been happy with the server athmosphere and where it's going, which I still am doing.
Now please, stop acting like a retard and actually go post somewhere where you know how things are going. Not up for your shit once again.
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Asking - as in your case telling - that I would lie that (which I have absolutely no reason to) was completely unnecessary, as was my flaming, but it is f**king right to flame the shit out of you since you come here saying what's wrong with the server you don't even f**king play... Come on, since when you were last time online? I've been here since january 2008 and always been happy with the server athmosphere and where it's going, which I still am doing.
Now please, stop acting like a retard and actually go post somewhere where you know how things are going. Not up for your shit once again.
It's never right to flame 'the shit out of somebody' , because
1)It's impolite
2)You're doing that over the internet, being an adult person.
3)You've got no guts to say that orly.
And while there are other people complaining about it ( though not playing it anymore either) you just look where I post and you pick me to bullshit at. You just had a fewer reason to interrogate into this than I had to continue.
Feel like going bitchy on me again? You're welcome to PM me, I'm not going to write here anymore(I suppose you are happy like never before now). :)
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Hey now children, no need to cause a public disturbance because you can't keep your hands out of your pants.
Seriously though, quit the fighting.
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Hehe. Don't ya peeps get sick and tired of this shit? I mean sure I did complain about this server too but after I saw that owners clearly have different vision about it than me..what's the point staying? And make that question to yourself too, peeps. If you do not like to play here..why staying? Just move along. And trying to make a difference when owners just calls you moaners or SAMPers..it's not worth it. For all those who likes to play here.good for you and enjoy your staying. But really is it worth to loose your mind over this? Both sides of this thing. just do stuff what you like to do. If it does not include playing here then fine go and have fun somewhere else, like me. And really waste of time if any of you start to question my loyalty for this server. I had loyalty for my vision but it was not going to be. So just drop this and keep playing and have fun!
Oh, look who appeared... Telling us stories that you left this server cos this or that, then why fucking bothered to come here and put hidden crap once again?
You were one of those who started the crap, and I am sure you still continue it between others... It does not come just from intuition, it comes from shitters talks and credits... All of them operate to you... Which means you were openly against Klaus and wanted to remove him... Did not succeed and started crap privately...
The same time telling about your loyalty and leaving...
That's pathetic try... Phail...
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Seems like you never visited the VC:MP server in 2009 and saw that we had so called RPs.
Sad to disappoint you I was...
2009 was right the year when SAMPers started turning server into crap with their lovely rules sets - do not fart, do not burp, do not shoot, do not breath....
For you it probably were golden times... For us - the beginning of moaning...
Klaus managed what you all did not... He make Community and the Community has fun... Klaus was the one developer who had no owners support unlike other servers... Community had fun and was active...
As soon as arrived mothers kids who cannot handle a gun and start crying at every shot they get VCMP slowely went down...
Yes I devided on VCMPers and SAMPers... Because from my position it is a very good view on the general routes... I know how do behave SAMPers... I know that 2009 was exactly when SAMPers came to VCMP... And I know the general moaning style, which could have only SAMPers... The style, which never was provided on MTA:VC, the style which never was provided on VCMP... It is like illness - moaning about everything, cannot handle guns and trying to ban someone else just cos you suck in shooting...
And yes, today it is pure cops v. robbers. Thanks for clarifying.
I suppose you did not want to turn my words that way... But as you did I will tell again: VICE CITY WAS ALWAYS COPS VS CRIMINALS (or cops vs robbers in your terminology even its a fake one)... Like you or not... And I even said that it is prooved BY SCRIP SUPPORT... Which fucking means that even script is based only on two roles - cops and criminals...
So to fuck your try to turn my words as if I clarified that it is NOW cops vs robbers, I will repeat: it was ALWAYS... If you did not know that - then who the fuck are you and what the fuck are you trying to spread here?
Stop freaking out and calling people pussies, nobody does that to you either.Oh yeah, there were DMers that understood the meaning how to roleplay in Vice City .
yeah there were... And one of them - me... You think I arrive to Vice City being a pure roleplayer? No... The first my visit to the RPG server I killed the seller in the shop... He told me in chat to try not to start killing every guy I see... I arrived to Vice City in a pure expection that I can be shot (multiplayer) or chased by cops (GTA)... And I had no ANY expectations that I must /me looks at the fly in the window...
For 2 weeks I was just shooting cops and running from them away, being killed in the end... And I liked it... Cos cops were not idiot-bots like in game...
I understood the Roleplay thingy only when one player asked me (I was again cop killer level) if I want him to be my Lawyer... And I agreed... He said to me not to do anything and let for him... And I agreed... I erned 3000$ from him (he made a deal with cop that I will surrender but for that cop needs to share amount between three of us)...
Note please: my game play was NOT disturbed at all... Nobody was kicking me, shitting me, knocking me, reporting me or banning me...
And what next? I liked such play and the next connect to the server list i tried to remember a server I had a big fun with cops vs criminals...
What does that bring now? Nobody asked about Event-ruin-punishments or anything near that.
Nobody even fucking demand... That was an example, you, prick...
I suppose if I collect hundreds of pictures containing abuse and all that f**king shit, I have a right to (what you so call) moan.
And again, you totally get off the subject lol.
Yeah that collection of one episode impressed me and Gandalf... Gandalf is still the White from being pissed off...
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Gandalf is still the White from being pissed off...
I'm sorry if offense is taken for this, not trying to find the hilarity of something so serious, but I've got to admit, I got a good laugh from that quote RON. I loved the LOTR humor in your response. :)
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Oh, look who appeared... Telling us stories that you left this server cos this or that, then why f**king bothered to come here and put hidden crap once again?
You were one of those who started the crap, and I am sure you still continue it between others... It does not come just from intuition, it comes from shitters talks and credits... All of them operate to you... Which means you were openly against Klaus and wanted to remove him... Did not succeed and started crap privately...
The same time telling about your loyalty and leaving...
That's pathetic try... Phail...
Oh look who bothers to actually respond to me now.. And excuse me? I started the shit?. It's clear that you are on Klaus side because you seem to have same goal for the server which does not match with mine. Lucky there that you are the owner and not me. And as long you call my visions crap so I do not agree with your crappy vision. And really kinda strong words from you to say that I wanted to remove Klaus. When things started to look bad I tried to get your attention and make a change. And what did you do? Again calling those who were concern as shitters. Very good *claps*. So who are you to judge my loyalty when you turn down this so called *moaners* group? You could easily make it more polite way but as it seems that your style is to actually try to disrespect them down, which I do not agree with also. And I had no intentionto continue this shit but as long you continue bullshitting on me..I'll answer.
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Dexter does that mean our recent conversation was just pretending because you are afraid your status on IV:MP will be revoked ? If so then you better shut up...
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Dexter does that mean our recent conversation was just pretending because you are afraid your status on IV:MP will be revoked ? If so then you better shut up...
Nothing what I do is pretending. And I should just keep listening when I get blackmailed like this? I do have exactly same rights to express my opinions as he has. I don't like to go this hard but really that's not even fair to start to threat my position as IVMP mod. This case has nothing to do with it. I am cool with stopping now as long there will not be more crap on me.
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Nothing what I do is pretending. And I should just keep listening when I get blackmailed like this? I do have exactly same rights to express my opinions as he has. I don't like to go this hard but really that's not even fair to start to threat my position as IVMP mod. This case has nothing to do with it. I am cool with stopping now as long there will not be more crap on me.
There will not be crap on you as soon as you stop crapping on Klaus and us for not following your precious ideas. If you want YOUR ideas to work, make your own server and stop bothering us.
If you want to stay here, it will always be OUR ideas to which a server will be working.
Yes we do listen to suggestions, but in the end we decide the direction of the servers. You can either accept that and stay or find another community.
You were together with Klaus developing the server, so you had every chance to work with him and make the server more to your liking. In an admin meeting where Klaus was not present you brought up that you could not get along with him. Aragorn asked you to try and sort out things, or make a meeting with him and us. A few days later we got the message you left. Problem solved.
Ever since then you have been trying to return to your position, and trying to backstab Klaus by spreading stories to everyone who would listen about what better job you would have done.
You should consider yourself extremely lucky that it was Klaus you were talking abotu and not Boromir, Aragorn or me, as in that case you would have been banned from here a long time ago.
If you are trying to turn IV:MP in to a similar SA:MP no-move no-shoot no-breathe style, then you might find it will not follow your ideas as well very soon. So better leave while you still can do it by yourself.
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There will not be crap on you as soon as you stop crapping on Klaus and us for not following your precious ideas. If you want YOUR ideas to work, make your own server and stop bothering us.
In case you haven't noticed I do not give a shit how is this part of community going anymore. Klaus can do what he likes. Does not affect to me anyways. Good that he have been able to keep this part of community up because clearly some people like to be here.
If you want to stay here, it will always be OUR ideas to which a server will be working.
Yes we do listen to suggestions, but in the end we decide the direction of the servers. You can either accept that and stay or find another community.
Like it or not I have been, am and will always be fan of Argonath. Even if it sometimes pisses you or anyone else off.
You were together with Klaus developing the server, so you had every chance to work with him and make the server more to your liking. In an admin meeting where Klaus was not present you brought up that you could not get along with him. Aragorn asked you to try and sort out things, or make a meeting with him and us. A few days later we got the message you left. Problem solved.
Klaus knew very well that our minds were not working sameway for this server. And as much you try to make this look like that I just quit immediatly when I face problems..that's not true and I did try to sort things out. Did not work and it was slipping away from my hands. So yeah decided to put my focus to somewhere else. And problem never was just about my and Klaus problems btw. It was about server and how it will turn. And as I saw it was that it was being very unfriendly back then. So yep indeed if you like unfriendly server manager then sure problem was solved.
Ever since then you have been trying to return to your position, and trying to backstab Klaus by spreading stories to everyone who would listen about what better job you would have done.
And where you got this info from? I returned once to my position and back then me and Klaus was still very good friends. After sometime of that problems came and then all that leaving stuff. I have not tried to return to my position..not once after that. I got enough of it and moved on. And I have not been spreading any shit. They all have came to me and if they wanted to talk about it..then sure I gave my opinion. And when they tried to show to you guys some proves about him I said they can use my name. Tho knowing it would mean shit anyways. So this stament of yours is lies.
You should consider yourself extremely lucky that it was Klaus you were talking abotu and not Boromir, Aragorn or me, as in that case you would have been banned from here a long time ago.
I did not have problem with any of those guys you mentioned. If I would then I would have dealt with it. if it means that I get ban for trying to clear the air then so be it. Won't bow anyone who I have problem with. And before you turn to this that I am just fucking with you..I do have respect for you guys for making this community. But in this case I disagree. Does not mean I am againts Argonath as you seem to think. Just there is sometimes things what people can't agree on.
If you are trying to turn IV:MP in to a similar SA:MP no-move no-shoot no-breathe style, then you might find it will not follow your ideas as well very soon. So better leave while you still can do it by yourself.
And again what does this have to do with this subject what this topic is about? Please just keep it one case at time. But since you HAD to comment about this.. It's not really upto me what way it will go. It's choice of community aswell. People play it like they want and I am there just to make sure it won't break any of argonath rules. Not me, not you..anyone..can make it to be exactly how they like it to be. I am having things good in there. Wanna ban me? Because of fucking what? Because I disagree with you? That is not even proper reason to do that. I am not going anywhere as I love this community. Trust me that I do feel sorry that we gotta have this argument. And really I am not even intrested to have it anymore as it is old stuff already and should be focusing to future instead. So if you do decide to ban me then you could and reason as *Protecting himself from being misunderstanded*.
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Dexter, we understand you're mad man, but try to calm down with the swearing. It's making it appear as if you are attacking someone in your responses, rather than the reality which is you are trying to respond, but you are just angry. I know it's hard to do, but I'd rather not see another good player banned because he wants to help the community so bad it frustrates him to anger. That's what happened to me, and trust me, it's not worth it. Try to calm down and focus your discussion in a less-threatening way. :)
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Sorry for interrupting into this Gandalf and Dexter, but I hope a neutral opinion can be good for you (since I know Dex, I sometimes helped him a bit in being a developer, but he always made decisions with Klaus, I was just giving my opinions)
Clearly from what I've understand, Dexter left VCMP Leader position because the vision did not match his and went to find another place.. Now he's at IVMP and is enjoying it. Whilst VCMP is going to direction it was going when Dexter left, tho' it already is there, scripts are getting better and more advanced, tho' it still does support more cops vs criminals as it always have, but there are coming more and more chances to gain money and roleplaying chances are unlimited on the server.
Klaus and Dexter had their own problems, but that is not the reason why Dexter left his position as a Leader, that I already explained.
I also understand Gandalf's point of view, it may seem like Dexter is the start of all the shit, whilst infact, he did talk with you, expressed (spelt?) his opinion, but I haven't seen him talking shit about Klaus or VCMP itself behind anyones back, he's been giving his opinion on the forums when he sees there is another topic about it (which have happened alot, especially last year).
I've seen how they led VCMP by theirselves and it was great job they were doing, just too bad they had so different opinions..
Yes, I myself had problems with the way Klaus was leading the server back then, I talked them through tho' with him and was actually surprised about the result, as we are now very good friends and we are sharing mostly the same vision of what the server can be and what it is now. Also we both know how it was before back in early 2008 (Klaus knows it longer than me tho')
Now when you talk about SAMP, I don't give a shit about their way of RPing, I was there for some time, became an admin and lost my admin rights when you shook up the admin team. I also was admin back in VCMP when I joined SAMPs admin team and gave up my rights on VCMP (which happened to be the biggest mistake of my argo career).
Yes, I could still enjoy SAMP, but I've always thought VC is THE place for me. Either MTA or MP, which ever happens to be up or down, but mostly I am in VCMP since there I know what is happening and stuff..
So as TL;DR
Dexter did not start the shitstorm from my opinion (atleast not completely alone), your both right in some things, but can't you guys think this through from each others position? I mean Gandalf tries to think this shit from Dex's point of view and another way around...
Also, yes, it's in the past, but there still is the problem and that is the ones who don't like the way Klaus is leading. I say to them; Fuck off if you don't like it, you have the right to play elsewhere PERMANNTLY where you like how things are going.
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Still playing innocent ? You were supposed to sort out the problems and come to us if it did not not. Instead you chose to leave and support every shit who got in to an argument with Klaus.
The best way for a server is if a more harsh and a more diplomatic leader work together. You had your chance, but left all the work to one man. We support guys who are responsible and stay to do their best, not the ones who leave and then tell it was never their fault...
You can try to turn that to make it look like you have ZOMG principles, the reality is that you could not handle it and chickened out, and have been supporting those who want to make shit ever since.
You are currently inactive on IV:MP, probably because you can not be bothered to keep a server alive when it was not on the server list. So do not give me the blah blah about protecting, as if you do not step up activity real fast you will be removed, not by my decision but by the managers of the server without ANY comments from us.
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Dexter, we understand you're mad man, but try to calm down with the swearing. It's making it appear as if you are attacking someone in your responses, rather than the reality which is you are trying to respond, but you are just angry. I know it's hard to do, but I'd rather not see another good player banned because he wants to help the community so bad it frustrates him to anger. That's what happened to me, and trust me, it's not worth it. Try to calm down and focus your discussion in a less-threatening way. :)
Probably you are right about this. Just as Aragorn I am swearing to show my point more.
Clearly from what I've understand, Dexter left VCMP Leader position because the vision did not match his and went to find another place.. Now he's at IVMP and is enjoying it. Whilst VCMP is going to direction it was going when Dexter left, tho' it already is there, scripts are getting better and more advanced, tho' it still does support more cops vs criminals as it always have, but there are coming more and more chances to gain money and roleplaying chances are unlimited on the server.
As stated I am suprised and glad that vcmp is still alive. Even that I do not play there anymore. I admit it has been good job from those who stayed.
Also, yes, it's in the past, but there still is the problem and that is the ones who don't like the way Klaus is leading. I say to them; f**k off if you don't like it, you have the right to play elsewhere PERMANNTLY where you like how things are going.
Agreed with this.
Still playing innocent ? You were supposed to sort out the problems and come to us if it did not not. Instead you chose to leave and support every shit who got in to an argument with Klaus.
Tried.
The best way for a server is if a more harsh and a more diplomatic leader work together. You had your chance, but left all the work to one man. We support guys who are responsible and stay to do their best, not the ones who leave and then tell it was never their fault...
To corrct mistake here..I am not saying what I did was brave or anything. Fault for leaving is me and that I did not have intrest to go on.
You can try to turn that to make it look like you have ZOMG principles, the reality is that you could not handle it and chickened out, and have been supporting those who want to make shit ever since.
Correction here too. I supported those who tried to make difference to better server for roleplay.
You are currently inactive on IV:MP, probably because you can not be bothered to keep a server alive when it was not on the server list. So do not give me the blah blah about protecting, as if you do not step up activity real fast you will be removed, not by my decision but by the managers of the server without ANY comments from us.
Get your facts right before making any false accusations. Nothing to do with server not being in the list. Again thinking why you talk this here but I am fully aware of my inactivity there and working on it. I am not leaving even that you do not like me that much.
So yeah now we are getting off from subject anyways so I have cleared out here. Nothing else to add.
Have fun on playing in VCMP peeps!
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You can try to turn that to make it look like you have ZOMG principles, the reality is that you could not handle it and chickened out, and have been supporting those who want to make shit ever since.
Correction here too. I supported those who tried to make difference to better server for roleplay.
Server always had the same roleplaying ability, it hasn't changed a bit since we joined Argonath. You tried to change the server to match your vision more whilst others had the same vision, which obviously does not support cops vs criminals so much :)
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Old VCMP - Klaus cop, me criminal
In between VCMP - Klaus criminal, me cop
Nowadays VCMP - Klaus criminal, me criminal
Seriously now, even though it was not preset throught all Argo VCMP history, i can not really tell what's wrong with the past direction and the ongoing direction of the server. There is RP, the scripts are solid, regarding DeathMatching, I must say that sometimes people cannot deal with some extra action and start saying that Klaus ( administration? ) defends a policy of DM and that he does not care.
On a last note, Dexter, Emre, anyone else who openly disagrees with Klaus, who do you suggest to take Klaus place under VCMP Management?
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I can't understand the people who mention that some time in the past it was all so different, when it really wasn't.
No one knows the history of the server better than myself and aXXo, who's been around since the BETA stages of the first ever VCMP.
The server has always been revolved around cop and criminal roles. They are the most popular and have always been. But that doesn't mean it's simply cops and robbers. Players roleplay their role, if it's cop or criminal. You don't just spawn as a 'criminal'. Players have to roleplay as a criminal. They break the law by robbing the bank or w/e.
To people who say the server has drifted more to DM over the past years are totally lost. I can look back to my times in 07/08 and clearly see the improvements of the server. Back then, EVERY skin spawned with weapons, the drug dealer skin was a DMers wetdream spawning with a stubby and ingram. Any player could roll around in a sea sparrow taking out people with the heli cannon. The SWAT skin was open to any new player, who could then spawn m60 and stubby by a simple command. You could get any gun 'free' from ammunations. The scripts and evolved since then and with that roleplay has clearly increased.
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Get your facts right before making any false accusations. Nothing to do with server not being in the list. Again thinking why you talk this here but I am fully aware of my inactivity there and working on it. I am not leaving even that you do not like me that much.
I do not ask people to leave because I like or dislike them. In fact my personal preferences do not matter, and are never based on an exchange of messages.
What I do demand is that people try to stop any backstabbing or plans to take over things from others they disagree with. If you follow that, you are very much welcome.
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What I do demand is that people try to stop any backstabbing or plans to take over things from others they disagree with. If you follow that, you are very much welcome.
There is no problem for me on that. And I have no choice than admit that things were not dealt as supposed to be with all those reports. I was kinda not giving damn about it all but still giving my name for use what was not right way to do it.