| (http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/06/21/karen_klein_620x350.jpg) ----> VIDEO HERE <---- (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E12R9fMMtos#) | A video of a 68-year-old school bus monitor mercilessly taunted by seventh graders became an international online rallying point against bullies Thursday, with funds for the Rochester, N.Y., grandmother rapidly increasing hundreds of thousands of dollars and a deluge of people demanding harsh punishment for the boys. Police said Karen Klein does not want her young tormenters to face criminal charges, partly because of the storm of criticism leveled at the boys from the Rochester suburb of Greece after the video went viral. Bullied school bus monitor finds online support "Theyve received death threats," Greece Police Capt. Steve Chatterton said Thursday. "Their families have been threatened. We have custody of one of their cellphones, and he had over 1,000 missed calls and 1,000 text messages threatening him. And he's 13 years old. That must stop." he verbal abuse was captured in a 10-minute cellphone video recorded Monday by a student of Athena Middle School in suburban Rochester and later posted to YouTube. The video shows Klein trying her best to ignore the stream of profanity, insults and outright threats directed at her. One student taunted: "You don't have a family because they all killed themselves because they don't want to be near you." Karen Kleins oldest son killed himself 10 years ago. Eventually, she appears to break down in tears. Klein's son, Brian, told CBS News affiliate WIVB he was "overwhelmed" by the vicious incident, but he hopes to send positive energy to all the supporters who donated money and sent his mother heartfelt messages. "One thing I would really hope that would come out of this is maybe these kids would start learning to behave and respect their elders," Brian Klein said. "You want to jump into that bus and you want to grab those kids and say Knock it off! And you want to hold her," said Amy Weber, a 43-year-old independent filmmaker from the Detroit area who pledged $100 Thursday through the international crowd-funding site Indiegogo.com. "I think we hear about bullying every day and we become a little desensitized to it. This puts it in our face" said Weber, who is making a feature film about a bully. Klein told NBC's "Today" show Thursday that it took "a lot of willpower" not to respond to the jeers from the four boys riding the bus operated by the Greece Central School District. Klein said she was "amazed" at the support she received. "I've got these nice letters, emails, Facebook messages," she said. "It's like, wow, there's a whole world out there that I didn't know. It's really awesome." She said she hopes the parents will talk to their children about being "a little more respectful." Klein did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press seeking comment. The video logged more than 2 million views by Thursday afternoon, breaking hearts and raising passions of people who recalled bullying incidents in their own pasts. The fundraiser set up on Indiegogo.com shattered its goal of raising $5,000 to send the grandmother of eight on a "vacation of a lifetime." More than 15,000 people donated, many in denominations of $20 or less. Funds for Klein rapidly increased throughout Thursday, with over $12,000 raised between 4:00 and 5:00 pm ET alone. By late afternoon, the Indiegogo.com fundraiser had over $316,000 in donations and counting. "I don't see how anyone can watch that and not be touched by it. It made me realize and I posted on my Facebook wall that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will still hurt you no matter how old you are," said Deana Rock, a 42-year-old marketing professional from Williston, Vt., who pledged $30. Rock said she was moved to tears by the video and donated the money so Klein would not have to get back on the bus. Police in the suburb of Greece had to step up patrols near the houses of the four boys and said they had received several threatening hoax calls from people. The boys had not yet apologized to Klein as of Thursday afternoon, though police said they regretted their acts and their parents are cooperating. The district apologized to Klein and will pursue disciplinary actions against all four students. The swell of support for Klein follows a recent surge in awareness of bullying that has brought the issue from the classroom to the stage and screen to the White House. |
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"Canadians"
Is this in Greece or America? I'm confused now.
Anyway those kids shouldn't be charged or anything, just kicked the shit out of until near death.
Is this in Greece or America? I'm confused now.
Anyway those kids shouldn't be charged or anything, just kicked the shit out of until near death.
Yeah man, beat up a group of kids to the point in which they're nearly dead. That's setting the right f**king example.Apparently words don't change people anymore.
Apparently words don't change people anymore.
I hope your not trying to imply violence is going to solve the problem of violence :rofl:So if someone would bully your grandmother until the point where she would cry and is seriously upset, you would not act with your fists but with your mouth?
So if someone would bully your grandmother until the point where she would cry and is seriously upset, you would not act with your fists but with your mouth?
They would get arrested for elder abuse so I would have no need to fight them. They would go to jail for it. Fighting them would just get me charged as well and probably fired from my job.The kids aren't taken into custody, they are free.
The kids aren't taken into custody, they are free.
So if someone would bully your grandmother until the point where she would cry and is seriously upset, you would not act with your fists but with your mouth?
Didn't you learn any moral at school? You, that lives in an ex- socialistic state should know that there are authorities to take care of people like this.It doesn't really matter where I live.
So if someone would bully your grandmother until the point where she would cry and is seriously upset, you would not act with your fists but with your mouth?
You do understand they're children right? F**king children. You seriously think the right thing to do is beat the shit out of them? They're young and what you saw in that video is them trying to impress one and other.They're sick children in that case.
Someone older, I could understand that you might want to and I most likely would as well, but even then it doesn't make it right. Trying to solve violence with violence never gets anyone anywhere.
They're sick children in that case.
I have seen many cases of boys trying to act tough and impress their friends, but this just crosses the line by far.
Making someone cry is not just impressing but being seriously f*cked up in the head.
Of course, it's horrible. However, what will be achieved by kicking the shit out of them? Absolutely nothing. If anything, it's going to make them even nastier. The parenting and school need to be looked at, as clearly something has gone wrong down the line for those kids to believe that the way they acted was appropriate.Like I said earlier in the topic, words don't matter with modern day children anymore.
Show them the errors of their way and correct it. Counteract with violence, and give way for more situations like this to occur.
PS. 5000th post! :oGratz.
I now do admit that kicking them until near death is not the best way, but what is?
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I now do admit that kicking them until near death is not the best way, but what is?
Anyway, i hope point taken. With kids ony policy is force, period.
In Serbia
That is called "Physical punishment" AND IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM! Heck, it may hurted, but i am happy that i was raised that way. That stopped me from doing stupid shit, and i avoided lots of troubles that way.Ah, so that's why you're a violent sociopath.
I am 17, but, if my kid acted that way, id ground him + BEAT DA SHIT outta him, so he would NEVER AGAIN do such a thing (whell atleast untill he becomes 18 :/).f**k you. You'd better not ever have any goddamn children.. and if you do, I hope they call the police on you and they throw you in prison for the rest of your life.
Ehhh you new world countries and your rights...
In Serbia for doing stupid shit, kids get theyre asses kicked (litterealy) by parents. They take a belt, and strike you with it for some time.
That is called "Physical punishment" AND IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM! Heck, it may hurted, but i am happy that i was raised that way. That stopped me from doing stupid shit, and i avoided lots of troubles that way.
I seriously dont get just "grounding" the kid. That has NO effect. With kids, diplomacy = WORST POLICY! Force = BEST POLICY! Rights smights yadda yadda yadda! I am 17, but, if my kid acted that way, id ground him + BEAT DA SHIT outta him, so he would NEVER AGAIN do such a thing (whell atleast untill he becomes 18 :/).
Anyway, i hope point taken. With kids ony policy is force, period.
I seriously dont get just "grounding" the kid. That has NO effect. With kids, diplomacy = WORST POLICY! Force = BEST POLICY! Rights smights yadda yadda yadda! I am 17, but, if my kid acted that way, id ground him + BEAT DA SHIT outta him, so he would NEVER AGAIN do such a thing (whell atleast untill he becomes 18 :/).
Heck, it may hurted, but i am happy that i was raised that way.
Is this in Greece or America? I'm confused now.What stage of evolution are you at?
Anyway those kids shouldn't be charged or anything, just kicked the shit out of until near death.
I was in the capital about a week ago. Since I'm from Dalmatia(far south of Croatia) and that's Zagorje(north), my accent was really standing out and people were laughing at me as soon as I walked into a store.Should've tried speaking english with them ;)
Peers were teasing me in the tramway, calling me names like "stupid undeveloped Dalmatian" and a redneck. I just smiled. I could sure use some cash compensation, doesn't even need to be half a million of dollars.
What stage of evolution are you at?Read further into the topic before making such offensive posts.
Read further into the topic before making such offensive posts.I did, your turn. If someone thinks that the only way to discipline kids is to beat them up until they're almost dead, it's safe to assume that their brain has not evolved to a human level.
Scary to think that kids are being brought up like this in certain parts of the world.The US borrowed names from lots of places. In fact, look at a random place in the US and you'll see tons of familiar names
I did, your turn.Clearly you didn't.
Clearly you didn't.
Ehhh you new world countries and your rights...
In Serbia for doing stupid shit, kids get theyre asses kicked (litterealy) by parents. They take a belt, and strike you with it for some time.
That is called "Physical punishment" AND IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM! Heck, it may hurted, but i am happy that i was raised that way. That stopped me from doing stupid shit, and i avoided lots of troubles that way.
I seriously dont get just "grounding" the kid. That has NO effect. With kids, diplomacy = WORST POLICY! Force = BEST POLICY! Rights smights yadda yadda yadda! I am 17, but, if my kid acted that way, id ground him + BEAT DA SHIT outta him, so he would NEVER AGAIN do such a thing (whell atleast untill he becomes 18 :/).
Anyway, i hope point taken. With kids ony policy is force, period.
I strongly oppose physical abuse but I am astonished by today's methods of treating the very basic problems
You're actually sick in the head. Please, for the sake of everyone, go and get some professional help - because you sure as hell need it.
Oh, you'll find that if (and I sincerely hope you do not) you have children and beat them up as a form of discipline, when they're older and you try to lay your hands on them again, they'll snap back and give you a taste of your own medicine.
Ahh, now it all makes sense.
:rofl: Your making yourself look like an even bigger moron bud.If you don't understand what I meant to say, you're* the moron here.
First i am too lazy to quote all:My neighbors next door have a 4 year old girl. They are good parents but both work with a hard tempo. So they sometimes leave her at my place. Every time she comes over, I can assure myself I had a good reason to laugh and act like a fool around others with socks on my hand and playing with dolls. I can't say much because she's not my child but I sense this parenting stuff a bit.
YOU PEOPLE MAD?! 20-30 Years ago it was something that almoast EVERY parent did. Now it is child abuse? Now people who do it are psychoes? All who say that the ones who do it are "PSYCHOS", and that they should rot in jail for rest of theyre lives are simply idiots.
With kid first thing is diplomacy to get him in order. If (WHEN) it fails, BELT comes to first plan.
You can think all you can, you can say all you want, but, that is ONLY proper way to discipline KIDS OF TODAY! You seen em? Shure, i was a big idiot when i was 12-13, but thanks to my parents i am all good now. No grounding stopped me from doing crap. BELT stopped me. YOU ALL THINK that it is too crule, and abuse, but, when it ALL COMES TOGEATHER, and you look back to your past, and see that the thing that hurt you the most helped you the most in becoming disciplined, and whell behaved, you think that your parents did the right choice.
I stay with my bealiving diplomacy=WORS POLICY, and belt=BEST POLICY. Buzz around with your silly little posts of me being a psycho, an idiot or moron, I DONT GIVE A SHIT. Applying force HURT, but it made me think twice before i do something. It helped me.
@Dolfagr
WTF dude? seriously? Practice violence on kids? UMAD? First time kid gets beat, he calms down. Second time, when he does something bad, he gets beat with belt, he calms even more. THIRD TIME HE WONT EVEN TRY to do something bad. 2 times of 1 minute of pain can make kid behave good. Kid does not do anything bad anyomre, he doesnt get beat up. No "Beating up every day" carp, just when he is acting bad. Thats all.
P.S. When i say "KID" i only mean for BOYS. Girls NEVER, and thats it.
Applying force HURT, but it made me think twice before i do something. It helped me.
YOU PEOPLE MAD?! 20-30 Years ago it was something that almoast EVERY parent did. Now it is child abuse? Now people who do it are psychoes?
No. Only in Serbia.
The fact that Serbian parents strike their children is probably the reason why your Human Development Index is so low.
Norway = 1.
Serbia = 60.
Only in Serbia.Bullshit of the day.
Bullshit of the day.
I'm talking about the western civilization, right now, in 2012.
The fact that Serbian parents strike their children is probably the reason why your Human Development Index is so low.
Where is your high HDI education to teach you that you do not speak shit of a country cause you read what someone from there wrote on the internet?
Implying United Nations statistics are not accurate representations of a country.
They are not. They're median statistics. Median statistics can go well with some countries but it is far away from being a fully accurate meter for every country, and the UN admits that. Which leads me to repeating my question that you misinterpreted - where is your ''high HDI'' education which you boast so much about? Or did you not go to school?
>Tells people to stop provoking other countries and threatens to ban them
>Starts provoking the education system of said people
No. Only in Serbia.
The fact that Serbian parents strike their children is probably the reason why your Human Development Index is so low.
Norway = 1.
Serbia = 60.
yeah it must be because of some parents beating kids up instead of the constant wars the country has been inFinally, someone smart in this thread.
Finally, someone smart in this thread.
Enjoy our brain drain North America and Scandinavia.
No. Only in Serbia.
The fact that Serbian parents strike their children is probably the reason why your Human Development Index is so low.
Norway = 1.
Serbia = 60.
Constant wars, yet, Slovenia is in the EU, has a developed markedeconomy and got a high ranked HDI.Slovenia? War? Are you serious? You're from Norway. Don't spew words about things you know nothing about. (inb4 I have a house in Slovenia)
Slovenia? War? Are you serious? You're from Norway. Don't spew things you know nothing about.
Slovenia was in the war but for 18 days. They never had any armed conflicts with rebels or foreign armies whatsoever. The only embargo they had was weapons embargo. On the other hand, Croatia suffered 15,000 killed, a 30 milliard Euros of damage and mass emigration.
Slovenia didn't even feel the word "war". Ever.
Plus, they dispute our EU debut over a few kilometers of water that was always ours. If it wasn't for countries like Croatia and Serbia our Slovenian friends would be named Muhammad al-Janez.
Bless the European ignorance.
AMEN!
If there was no for Serbs, Bosnians and Croats youd all be going to mosques now!
And how exactly is that negative?
Lets just proceed on topic. Apologies for the derail.
You're not afraid of everything except Orthodox christianity, are you?
I am Orthodox, and WHAT DA f**k ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Afraid of what? Seriously, make your posts more clear. How can i be afraid of Orthodoxy when i am an orthodox myself.
Seriously? :trust: :trust: :trust: :trust: :trust:
I see no trust in the Serbian school.
"No trust in Serbian school"?
WTF does that have to do with any of this? Seriously, GTFO me if youre not gonna act seriously.
I said everything EXCEPT orthodox christianity.
Can you be kind and please give me the answer to following:
WHAT DA f**k ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
Bullshit. I got some feeling that if in norway your kid comes home drunk and high on weed you just gonna "talk the problem out".Problem?
Id personnaly beat da shit out of da kid.Yea, but you're a violent person who would make a f**king shit father, so that's just a given.
Problem?
What problem..?
Yea, but you're a violent person who would make a f**king shit father, so that's just a given.
For you seeing your kid coming home high on weed and drunk isnt a problem, and isnt a situation to beat da shit outta your kid?
For real? Than WHAT is a problem according to you? (and me having that additude is not a proper answer).
There is NO problem big enough to attack your son in a violent way. NEVER.
Dafuq am i reading?
Ok, here is a problem for beating your child (that will fit even your standards).
In modern days, usage of drugs is growing every day.
Tell me that you wouldnt BEAT DA SHIT outta your son if he came home, drugged with heroin?
Hahah, you sound like a f**king psyco :lol:
I can sound any way i want, but what i just stated is preaty much hars, crule reality. It is just impossible to explain to you, is it?
There is NO problem big enough to attack your son in a violent way. NEVER.
As I said...
In modern days there are free assistance institutions for people with drug issues. I would deffinately send my son there, and help him trough it, instead of striking him. Hitting your own child is just insane.
Hmmm, very interesting... Just 20 years ago it was an ordinary thing used all across the world. Now ofcourse the System tells you to change your beliefs and you do it... You people... I just dont have any more comments.
This is 2012, not 1992.
If real freedom is striking your own child, I wish you to go back in the Jugoslavian union.
I truly believe there is no hope with this twisted creature.
As void said we have diffrent opinions. For example, you think that child coming home drunk and high is not a problem. I think that is idiotic. You thinkt that beating your kid for that is twisted. I think that your opinion is stupid. I mean WTF, i should gratz him for that?
I am too tired to argue cause it is 00:00 and i have to wake up at 4:00 AM in order to go to a trip with my family. Make this quick, that is wrap it up fast, i gotta hit the bed.
There is no reason to congratulate him for that, but you can talk to him as an adult as soon as he sobers up. No reason to do as your psycopathic father and strike him to death. I hope you enjoy your trip. Just watch out for the iron fist.
For you seeing your kid coming home high on weed and drunk isnt a problem, and isnt a situation to beat da shit outta your kid?What the f**k? Of course not.
For real? Than WHAT is a problem according to you?I dunno, maybe if my child broke the law (as in a law that actually matters). I still wouldn't f**king "beat the shit out of them" though.
Tell me that you wouldnt BEAT DA SHIT outta your son if he came home, drugged with heroin?Wow, not even a little bit. What the fucking hell would that even achieve? Someone on heroin is someone seriously in need of help and I'm supposed to (as their parent, I might add) assault them?
you sound like a f**king psyco
The world is not black and white.
There is no reason to ever hit your child in angerIndeed, not out of anger but to learn him how to behave in the future and teach him that he should stay away from bad things.
certainly no reason to hit in such way that there is even temporary physical damage.Serious damage to the body is of course not the way to do it, but just slapping him so that it doesn't even scare the kid has no effect and there is no point in doing it. If you do it that is.
with your dad who usually ignores you is a reward, not a punishment. :lol:True.
but just slapping him so that it doesn't even scare the kid has no effect and there is no point in doing it.Slapping or any other form of physical damage will always have effect.
Slapping or any other form of physical damage will always have effect.But what if you slap the kid and it laughs? Will it have effect?
But what if you slap the kid and it laughs? Will it have effect?Have you ever been in a crowd of strangers in a party/club or simply school festivals? Someone would notice you eventually and would like to get to know you. Maybe you found a friend talking to people you don't know? All of the sudden you're friendly, make excellent jokes, have this really positive behavior and everyone is exchanging numbers/facebook with you or such. You're not really that kind of guy and that "thing" was not even distinctive in your behavior? You were "not you"?
If beating up your children is "okay" in Serbia, then alright, I'll make sure to stay out of that country.You are missing the point and you don't seem too interested in it.
You are missing the point and you don't seem too interested in it.
What do you think of when you read "beating up"? The father punching the kid in his face?
Thats pretty much how you describe it.Really?
slightly striking the kid to scare him and not purposely hurt him.
Serious damage to the body is of course not the way to do it
Really?
You complain that your country is underdeveloped because of violence, yet, you attack your own family. I really, really, really don't understand you Serbs/Croatians.They are both from Serbia. Don't mix the two nations.
They are both from Serbia. Don't mix the two nations.
You complain that your country is underdeveloped because of violence, yet, you attack your own family. I really, really, really don't understand you Serbs/Croatians.
I believe he means slightly striking the kid to scare him and not purposely hurt him.Striking a kid =/= violence.
Striking a kid =/= violence.
Have you read about or seen violence in Serbia or Croatia?
If you tell someone there that striking a kid for doing something bad is violence they would laugh.
Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as the intentional use of physical force or power
You're involved too, bradeCorrect, I am involved in this topic, not in Aksel's geography class. You can clearly see from my posts that I oppose said methods.
Of course they would laugh. It's normal in Serbia.Indeed it is, and in many other countries.
Striking a kid =/= violence.:eek:
By the way, they have gathered over $650 000 now.That's one hell of a holiday for that woman..
ITT: People who don't have kids or experienced a domestic situation giving parenting advice :roll: