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Title: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 13, 2012, 09:06:06 pm
Okey firstly i want to say this is not moaning topic or something, i want discussion without provoking, and some explainations.


Today i said something that was joke : an admin kicked me though i was the one who got disrespected.


After 5 seconds i got kick for reason : [email protected]
Why they need to kick us for that reason? Since we know the email, and no need to kick us just can PM us.
Thisis not moaning or something i just want to know why they do that.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: boostboy on July 13, 2012, 09:10:51 pm
The kick is a sign of "Calm down, redirect yourself to the e-mail, fill in a complaint, then come CALMLY back"
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Mikro on July 13, 2012, 09:11:55 pm
First of all I explained you the reason for your banana. However, you didn't like it, so you started a moaning discussion with me. In this "discussion" you started provoking me that now all of a sudden I was the one thinking you are a "noob". I kicked your for provoking administration and gave you a chance for a small cool down break.

You come back and said in reaction to my kick, let me quote: "eh those kids these days". For which you got kicked again, this time by doggi, including the complaint email.

Conclusion: you needed calm down period and instead of that you started provoking the administration. Report to the mail: [email protected] if you don't like our actions.

Topic can be locked.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 13, 2012, 09:12:14 pm
Every action has a reaction.
In other words if you continue to discuss, the argument will only continue.
The admin was putting an end to the one who continued the discussion.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 13, 2012, 09:14:58 pm
The kick is a sign of "Calm down, redirect yourself to the e-mail, fill in a complaint, then come CALMLY back"


Yes i know that you kick players to Calm down, by have u ever been in situation of player and get kick for nothing, that thing pisses him off not calming down. Talkin from experience :)


First of all I explained you the reason for your banana. However, you didn't like it, so you started a moaning discussion with me. In this "discussion" you started provoking me that now all of a sudden I was the one thinking you are a "noob". I kicked your for provoking administration and gave you a chance for a small cool down break.

You come back and said in reaction to my kick, let me quote: "eh those kids these days". For which you got kicked again, this time by doggi, including the complaint email.

Conclusion: you needed calm down period and instead of that you started provoking the administration. Report to the mail: [email protected] if you don't like our actions.

Topic can be locked.

Man ur making this like its my unban request, im not talking what just happend, im just talking about what ive seen on argonath. I didn't said your name.


Topic can stay open, its just for discussion not arguing
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Mikro on July 13, 2012, 09:20:12 pm
This is not a general discussion, this is a discussion based on what just happened in-game, which you did not like in your opinion. At-least, that is how you started it.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 13, 2012, 09:21:35 pm
This is not a general discussion, this is a discussion based on what just happened in-game, which you did not like in your opinion. At-least, that is how you started it.


Yes the previous stiuation made me to open this discussion. But this is not first time that happend to me or someone else. So yea im not moaning or something about that situation i just want some explainations by higher admins, or something so every player will know and there will be less moaning.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Richard. on July 13, 2012, 09:26:22 pm
The irony... :devroll:
You can't even state your opinion, not here or in-game, you'll receive the email address :roll:
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Steve. on July 13, 2012, 09:29:41 pm
The irony... :devroll:
You can't even state your opinion, not here or in-game, you'll receive the email address :roll:

xDDDDD
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Pancher on July 13, 2012, 09:39:50 pm
Every situations is unique and we cant give an generall answer that your seeking for here.

If you are not happy with the answers the admins given you feel free to either send that mail to "you know where" or send a forum PM directly to an manager + of SAMP and they can look into your unique situation and we can from there give you an answer to your question.

If you wish to talk to us "face to face", please catch us on Team Speak, MSN (if you have someones) or in-game.

If you want any future help from here we need to know your in-game name so we can make an small review of what happen, time/date would be appriciated as it helps us to find what we seek to give you an quicker responds.

Regards,
[R*]Pancher
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: TheRock on July 14, 2012, 12:21:51 am
Make sure to remember that we are not robots, we are human just like you, and we also have feelings of anger which we try to keep out of the game in order to keep our duty... So next time you are furious towards some administrator, remember that you are not the only one in that place. We also have headaches for a few players who just keep ignoring our orders when told not to, but we don't go out there expressing our rage and flaming. :)
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Caltson on July 14, 2012, 01:50:43 am
It only occured once in my entire career on Argonath that I've had a dispute with an administrator about kicking me, which was earlier this year.

I reported the issue and as I believe I'm in my full right, the right actions will be taken to prevent this administrator from doing the same again. In this situation, I did not post any topics like this nor complained about the administration team as it still remains a dispute between two people and not a war between one person against an entire team.

[email protected] was used aswell as a personal notification to a few Community Leaders and I'm sure the situation is sorted out as we speak.
However, if you go back online and disrespect by saying 'kids these days', then you are clearly on the wrong path and you may need to adjust your behaviour instead of shoving the problem to the admin's responsibility.

Hope this helps you a little.


Sincerely,

Caltson
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 14, 2012, 01:55:09 am
Every situations is unique and we cant give an generall answer that your seeking for here.

If you are not happy with the answers the admins given you feel free to either send that mail to "you know where" or send a forum PM directly to an manager + of SAMP and they can look into your unique situation and we can from there give you an answer to your question.

If you wish to talk to us "face to face", please catch us on Team Speak, MSN (if you have someones) or in-game.

If you want any future help from here we need to know your in-game name so we can make an small review of what happen, time/date would be appriciated as it helps us to find what we seek to give you an quicker responds.

Regards,
[R*]Pancher


I have some of you on MSN, cDa u think so or something, but you are always busy so not answering, sent a complain never got respond to any of them but never mind lets go to that one. Well its not if im happy or not from what admins said, they didn't answered and they quite was going for argue.

And no need for the situation that happend, kick kick what ever, i logged after 30 seconds, but the problem is that they reputation is ruined



Make sure to remember that we are not robots, we are human just like you, and we also have feelings of anger which we try to keep out of the game in order to keep our duty... So next time you are furious towards some administrator, remember that you are not the only one in that place. We also have headaches for a few players who just keep ignoring our orders when told not to, but we don't go out there expressing our rage and flaming. :)


Yes i know you are not robots, yes you keep the anger out of the game and instead of yelling at them u kick them which u make them anger :)


However, if you go back online and disrespect by saying 'kids these days', then you are clearly on the wrong path and you may need to adjust your behaviour instead of shoving the problem to the admin's responsibility.

Hope this helps you a little.


Sincerely,

Caltson


The problem is when u log after some punishment and u try to change the subject and if the admins doesn't like it they think the words you just said after the logging is for them. In my case i logged and said that yes, but i didn't continued and one admin involved and i got kick or something like that don't really remember i forgot. Since im not talking about my situation, im talking in general
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Caltson on July 14, 2012, 02:14:38 am
Wait, revert roles here for a minute.

What would you do if you just kicked someone for 'provoking administration', then that person comes back and says 'Kids these days...'
Would you just let it slip by like nothing happened even though the person is breaking yet another rule?
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SafetyMoose on July 14, 2012, 02:28:38 am
Wait, revert roles here for a minute.

What would you do if you just kicked someone for 'provoking administration', then that person comes back and says 'Kids these days...'
Would you just let it slip by like nothing happened even though the person is breaking yet another rule?

I dont see hpw that breaking a rule. There is no way to even prove who thats directed at, for all an admin could know, it could have been a continuation of a conversation with someone else.

I have always been against kicks, seeing as they do nothing but agrevate people and the only difference between a kick and a warn is the 3 seconds it takes to hit the connect button. If they don't calm down after a warn, tempban them, as no one is going to calm down in the short time it takes to relog.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: TheRock on July 14, 2012, 02:35:59 am
Yes i know you are not robots, yes you keep the anger out of the game and instead of yelling at them u kick them which u make them anger :)

Personally not, and whoever does it, is going against the guide, since we are told that number one priority is communication, rather laying on punishment commands (at least that's the way I work.. letting my anger go off, and not showing it or using my commands for my own 'justify'.)
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 14, 2012, 02:49:19 am
Wait, revert roles here for a minute.

What would you do if you just kicked someone for 'provoking administration', then that person comes back and says 'Kids these days...'
Would you just let it slip by like nothing happened even though the person is breaking yet another rule?

its not in rule breaking, and wasnt directed for him, so lets not going on my situation since the topic will get locked for reason : [email protected] and moaning..., Yes i agree with moose
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Caltson on July 14, 2012, 03:10:35 am
its not in rule breaking, and wasnt directed for him, so lets not going on my situation since the topic will get locked for reason : [email protected] and moaning..., Yes i agree with moose

I do hope you're not believing your own statements here. First it was directed to him, now all of a sudden, no longer. You were kicked for disrespecting and provoking two times and I think you may be really happy you were not issed a tempban. I think it's clear enough that you directed that message to the administrator and not to somebody else. Be honest, not only with us, but with yourself in the first place..

I dont see hpw that breaking a rule. There is no way to even prove who thats directed at, for all an admin could know, it could have been a continuation of a conversation with someone else.

I have always been against kicks, seeing as they do nothing but agrevate people and the only difference between a kick and a warn is the 3 seconds it takes to hit the connect button. If they don't calm down after a warn, tempban them, as no one is going to calm down in the short time it takes to relog.

I believe an Administrator will be able to see wether or not the person is continueing a subject or not. If he wasn't involved into any discussion at all beforehand, it sounds very odd to continue one after joining again and directly making such a remark, dont' you think?

Kicks were made for a reason and not for a single purpose. Kicks do calm down many people when they realise they cross the line, except for those who do believe they know best, even though reality may be different.
Anyhow, I'd suggest to keep this ontopic as talking about such subjects is a touchy matter.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 14, 2012, 03:17:02 am
Yes lets keep on the topic and not on my situation. I don't want some im moaning.
So as i think players shouldnt get kick for complain mail they can be whispered or warn. Kicking them pisses them off, trust me.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Mikro on July 14, 2012, 03:27:56 am
So as i think players shouldnt get kick for complain mail they can be whispered or warn. Kicking them pisses them off, trust me.

This more seems like you just want to lower the punishment when it should not be. I think a tempban would fit more, since it gives the person a forced brake to calm down.
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: SavioR88 on July 14, 2012, 03:29:51 am
This more seems like you just want to lower the punishment when it should not be. I think a tempban would fit more, since it gives the person a forced brake to calm down.


Im not trying im just saying what i think, since everyone can say what he thinks. A tempban would be worst, but if he continues provoking yes sure tempban would be good, but just for the email tempban cmon...
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: McGarrett on July 14, 2012, 03:38:14 am
My opinion.
 
The commands should be a last option for an admin. I can recall where I've said in /p 'e'yo f*cker :D' and an admin kicked me for: flaming, provoking.
 
Of course a player will return angry and upset because you didn't even send him a single PM and asked 'why do you call him a f*cker? You know flaming and provoking is against the rules?' and he'd probably say 'he's my friend' and the admin should simply reply 'ok, but please refrain from shouting ey f*cker to your friend's in main chat' and just leave the situation dead. But, no instead you kick the player and he returns angry because you kicked him instead of pming.
 
To be fully honest, not to moan, but doing /kick in such situations just gives you an angry player in return.
 
Dear administrators - doing /pm [ID] <msg> is much easier than /kick [ID] <reason> ;-)
Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Conroy on July 14, 2012, 04:59:24 am
Dear MrBorsh,

Thanks for your professional input, I can clearly see you have a lot of experience with server administration
Argonath has been running for almost 6 years and has a very strong administration in all of its servers
The administration team contain highly trusted members and we aim to treat all players equally with the up most respect

The SA:MP server, during peak times, can reach up to 120 players
During such times, we are faced with constant threats of players breaking the rules, hacking the server and beginners seeking help
The last thing we want to deal with is someone moaning about their punishment

If you get removed from the server, don't join back if you are going to moan about it, you will be further punished
Furthermore, if you feel your initial punishment was not necessary, the email which has been provided to you will have a much better outcome than breaking even more rules

Our management makes sure we do our jobs correctly, and that is exactly why you should use the email provided
Moaning about someone in game will not achieve anything, however, speaking with our management via the email will

Just remember that administrators are, just like you, humans, they have feelings and limits
As much as we try to remain calm, playing with our feelings or going over our limits might change the outcome of things
A player who cannot accept their punishment (valid or not) is definitely going to have an affect on us

However, we do also make mistakes, and if you were wrongly punished then you should be an adult about it - Stop moaning, report the incident to the appropriate people and go back to enjoying your time on Argonath

My post went off track slightly, not aimed at anyone in particular, just a general note to all those moaners...

Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Boromir on July 14, 2012, 05:19:48 am
I already warned to all admins that I do not like to see /kick on players unless it's really needed several weeks ago.
If you see admins using it frequently without appropriate reasons, then report them to me directly..
I will deal with them myself..

This topic will be locked to prevent further arguments.

Title: Re: admin kicks
Post by: Gandalf on July 14, 2012, 04:19:31 pm
One thing I want you to understand. Players do not have the right to choose their own punishment, or to determine which punishment would fit their (or someone else's) situation.
That right belongs to the administration team, and they choose as they see fit in their personal opinion and with regard to the situation and atmosphere on server. If the atmosphere is relaxed, and there is no flaming, whining and complaining, punishments are bound to be less strict. On the other hand if there is constant disturbance by some player who feel their long time (non) presence allows them to be critical of everyone but them selves, expect punishments to be more strict.
If in at any time you feel the administration is punishing too strong, or not strong enough, you are welcome to take this up with the management, and there is one place where you can make 8 people receive this at the same time.

Remember that your own behaviour towards other players and the adminstration team determines the nest punishment given to you or anyone else.
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