Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP General => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP server information => Topic started by: Gandalf on August 29, 2012, 08:44:34 am
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One of the worst understood rules is the 'forcing roleplay'. And people are misusing it regularly.
1. When you can not force roleplay?
The forced roleplay came from questions about certain situations. For instance you are suspected and you wish to be jailed so you can return to your family roleplay. But the cops want to process you in to a long investigation and refuse to jail you without it.
In such a situation, they are forcing you in to a roleplay where you wish another option. As you are suspected, you can not opt to kill yourself (suiciding as suspect), fight (fighting after surrender), and have to wait for a cop to be so kind to jail you. So you are forced in to a situation where you have no options. This is not allowed, as the only way you can stop this is by breaking rules.
2. When you can not force NOT to roleplay?
- You are a cop and every vehicle you believe is speeding you /su: You are not roleplaying at all, you are just typing a command that forces players in to being suspect. This is not roleplay, but could even be seen as misuse of commands and lead to copban for invalid suspections. If you are going to do a speed check, pull over people and try to write them a ticket before using the /su command.
- You are getting robbed. Often people try to get out of a robbery by telling they do to want to roleplay. Well here is the news: If you do not want to roleplay, log off. A robber is not supposed to know if you have anything on you, so if you give him any amount he should leave you and move on. If he kills you without you having giving him a reason, its DM which eventually will get him punished. Find a good reason not to give him anything and the robber may just move on anyway.
When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter. In some situations you can not be forced, and certainly people can not force you to do only what they want. But you can never refuse to interact with others in a respectful way.
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When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter.
Preach it!
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Why are suspects not allowed to commit suicide?
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Why are suspects not allowed to commit suicide?
Why are you trying to play dumb?
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Why are suspects not allowed to commit suicide?
To avoid that suspects are only taking their 'fun' of being chased and killing cops, then when they have no alternative commit suicide and start provcation about how they were never caught.
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When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter.
So can we report whoever refuses to role play? By that I mean is the refusal to role play punishable?
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So can we report whoever refuses to role play? By that I mean is the refusal to role play punishable?
Or you move on and leave the person alone who don't wish to roleplay. He will soon notice he will not accomplish anything positive.
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Or you move on and leave the person alone who don't wish to roleplay. He will soon notice he will not accomplish anything positive.
But in his cocky state-of-mind he would think he won... Then he'd just do it again and again...
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But in his cocky state-of-mind he would think he won... Then he'd just do it again and again...
And people would ignore him again and again. :)
Or, you introduce and teach how he could approach and make the roleplay funny and entairtaining. Help eachother and have fun instead of call eachother non-rper and noob and what else you say these days.
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So if I am trying to rob someone, but he ignores me and tries to escape by bunny hopping, dashing everywhere, can i just shoot him to death?
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So if I am trying to rob someone, but he ignores me and tries to escape by bunny hopping, dashing everywhere, can i just shoot him to death?
If someone you are robbing ignores you totally, AFTER you've given a fair warning, then be my guest and blast their brains all over the street...
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This should be explaned to a several admins since I've got kicked many times after I have tried to commit a RolePlay robbery. If the robbed player acts a superman and pulls out his M4 from the ass with his tied hands, in someone's eyes, it's not DM. After making a report for DMing, the most common answer is: "Forcing RP is not allowed, you're a veteran here and you should know it". Well, you are a ficking admin and you should know something more than basic rules.
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- You are getting robbed. Often people try to get out of a robbery by telling they do to want to roleplay. Well here is the news: If you do not want to roleplay, log off. A robber is not supposed to know if you have anything on you, so if you give him any amount he should leave you and move on. If he kills you without you having giving him a reason, its DM which eventually will get him punished. Find a good reason not to give him anything and the robber may just move on anyway.
When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter. In some situations you can not be forced, and certainly people can not force you to do only what they want. But you can never refuse to interact with others in a respectful way.
Finally!
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This should be explaned to a several admins since I've got kicked many times after I have tried to commit a RolePlay robbery. If the robbed player acts a superman and pulls out his M4 from the ass with his tied hands, in someone's eyes, it's not DM. After making a report for DMing, the most common answer is: "Forcing RP is not allowed, you're a veteran here and you should know it". Well, you are a ficking admin and you should know something more than basic rules.
And you should know that nobody who makes a robbery will tie his victims hands.
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Gandulf this is the most correct thread i've seen today i support this 100% (y)
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A robber is not supposed to know if you have anything on you, so if you give him any amount he should leave you and move on.
The most part of players on argonath the only RP they do is "Robberies" (in my opinion they really dont want RP, just pick there guns and lets kill some guys, the part of Robbery is just a excuse to say "We did Rp dont punish us", anyway that is other subject), about the Robberies to a person there is 3 choices:
1-You give out everything you have, and maybe they leave
2-You say, "Sorry, btu i won't RP right now..." and they just RIP you (own experience)
3-Or you RP as well but don't say "Sorry, but i don't have nothing with me" or they RIP too (own experience)
I post this to say:
Guys if you want do Robbery RP do it, cool, but if you don't think always about kill, if you ask for money to a person and if he/she dont pay you just hit him or punch 1 time... dont need to kill, i mean IRL isn't often kill for assault at the street.
This is just my opinion, i know some guys don't like it and its fine, friends?
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When was that? :D
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lol
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And you should know that nobody who makes a robbery will tie his victims hands.
And you should know that your sentence was a bullshit. Why do cops cuff the criminals then? So they cannot escape, same goes to the robbery.
It's funny how you reply only to that and completely ignore the admin part.
The problem is that you see only the things which you want to see, and you simply ignore the part which you do not like.
Same goes for the admins, they see me shooting a guy, punish me, and when I tell them the RP which has happened 5 minutes ago and the RP reason of killing the guy, they punish me for moaning because admitting the mistake they made is too hard.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not shitting on the community, I'm writing this to help the community I love to improve the relations between the admins and the players (example: Dellstorm's relation with the players). Every admin can be like him and people will no longer hate the admin team.
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Gandalf , this message should go to Admins , once i got kicked just for trying to Rob? i tried to rob someone Then JCS kicked me cause i wanted to DM him and i didnt even shoot.
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I think I have to give credits to either Aragorn or Gandalf for that line though :D
Robbers do not kidnap their victim and kill them if they get what they want, that is silly. If you are kidnapper and, no matter what the victim does you intend on killing him, that is force RP (giving no options to survive) and is not what RP is about.
Keep RP fun and fair and you will hve no problems.
And you should know that your sentence was a bullshit. Why do cops cuff the criminals then? So they cannot escape, same goes to the robbery.
Same goes for the admins, they see me shooting a guy, punish me, and when I tell them the RP which has happened 5 minutes ago and the RP reason of killing the guy, they punish me for moaning because admitting the mistake they made is too hard.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not shitting on the community, I'm writing this to help the community
:rofl: Too many things wrong with this, so just laughing.
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Tell me what's so funny so we can all laugh.
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And you should know that your sentence was a bullshit. Why do cops cuff the criminals then? So they cannot escape, same goes to the robbery.
Cops do not rob suspects. And do not cuff criminals.
As for a robbery, it depends. If you go in to a store to rob the owner, you might tie him.
But if you are on the street any moment a cop or citizen could pass who will start to scream and make alarm. You do not take the time to tie someone up, you ask them to give something, and get the hell out of there before cops arrive.
That is.... unless you rob to get suspected and shoot cops.
It's funny how you reply only to that and completely ignore the admin part.
The problem is that you see only the things which you want to see, and you simply ignore the part which you do not like.
Same goes for the admins, they see me shooting a guy, punish me, and when I tell them the RP which has happened 5 minutes ago and the RP reason of killing the guy, they punish me for moaning because admitting the mistake they made is too hard.
How come I never see such things in the mail, and when I do see them it usually shows a very different picture. So why would you shoot a guy 5 minutes after a RP happened?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not shitting on the community, I'm writing this to help the community I love to improve the relations between the admins and the players (example: Dellstorm's relation with the players). Every admin can be like him and people will no longer hate the admin team.
Dellstorm has been inactive for 2 months. So yeah his relation is pretty good.... but beware you may find his relation deteriorating soon.
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... but beware you may find his relation deteriorating soon.
Why? :conf:
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Yeah.. why? did he changes? i hear he comes back to the game.
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And you should know that your sentence was a bullshit. Why do cops cuff the criminals then? So they cannot escape, same goes to the robbery.
What the fuck? WHEN THE FUCK DID YOU SEE A ROBBER TYING SOMEONE UP.
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I'm sorry Lincoln but this time I have to disagree with you.
You're telling Gandalf he's doing his work wrong, that's like telling a king how to rule his country which is wrong in itself already..
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You're telling Gandalf he's doing his work wrong, that's like telling a king how to rule his country which is wrong in itself already..
Bad example. A king could be inexperienced if he had just inherited the throne.
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Bad example. A king could be inexperienced if he had just inherited the throne.
Gandalf didn't leave this community to his son (not yet anyway :lol:), so yours is a bad example.
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Gandalf didn't leave this community to his son (not yet anyway :lol:), so yours is a bad example.
Now that's just nitpicking, ain't it? ;)
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Now that's just nitpicking, ain't it? ;)
Maybe. :D
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- You are getting robbed. Often people try to get out of a robbery by telling they do to want to roleplay. Well here is the news: If you do not want to roleplay, log off. A robber is not supposed to know if you have anything on you, so if you give him any amount he should leave you and move on. If he kills you without you having giving him a reason, its DM which eventually will get him punished. Find a good reason not to give him anything and the robber may just move on anyway.
When you enter the server, you are there to roleplay, and that means with everyone you encounter. In some situations you can not be forced, and certainly people can not force you to do only what they want. But you can never refuse to interact with others in a respectful way.
So, you're telling me that, when I am showing a new player around the server, teaching him/her the commands etc and then when a group of robbers come to rob me I should just leave the teaching aspect to that? Even worse when they come to kidnap me I should just go and f**k off with the robbers? Also admin should not answer the reports but rather roleplay with the robbers/kidnappers?
Also as this is a big community there are some people that do not get along with each other and when you got strict rule like this. You might get a situation where victim doesn't like robbers as players so really don't want to roleplay with them, but he will be rulebreaking because he just doesn't want to roleplay with those particular robbers. Situation gets even worse when the robbers come back in 15 minutes. Again victim is rulebreaking.
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I'm sorry Lincoln but this time I have to disagree with you.
You're telling Gandalf he's doing his work wrong, that's like telling a king how to rule his country which is wrong in itself already..
I never said that he's doing his work wrong, the amount of efforts he puts in this community is more than anyone could ever put, but he cannot see everything, I'm just telling him something we (players) notice to be a problem.
I kinda feel bad now for wasting his time on this because it's not that much necessary, but I hope he won't mind.
Gandalf, don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the hard work you're doing to keep this (the community) organized.
Honestly, I don't believe that anyone who's playing here more than 6 months could hate this server, besides (I won't name him, but you know about who I am talking about).
Cheers.
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So, you're telling me that, when I am showing a new player around the server, teaching him/her the commands etc and then when a group of robbers come to rob me I should just leave the teaching aspect to that? Even worse when they come to kidnap me I should just go and f**k off with the robbers? Also admin should not answer the reports but rather roleplay with the robbers/kidnappers?
Also as this is a big community there are some people that do not get along with each other and when you got strict rule like this. You might get a situation where victim doesn't like robbers as players so really don't want to roleplay with them, but he will be rulebreaking because he just doesn't want to roleplay with those particular robbers. Situation gets even worse when the robbers come back in 15 minutes. Again victim is rulebreaking.
If you are teaching someone, it would be good if you do not teach them to ignore others.
Once the robbers move on, you can continue.
As for people not liking each other, the map is big enough not to meet.
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I really hate badmouthing, but im still writing this. I hate it when SAPD do the job, and the ARPD Officers get the blame.
Today thrice i was forced into a roleplay by SAPD officers(who just want to make big patrol reports...) and i couldnt do anything, and not a single time was it an ARPD..If you ever report them then they just get a warning and then they continue with the same thing. I hate that..
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If you are teaching someone, it would be good if you do not teach them to ignore others.
Once the robbers move on, you can continue.
As for people not liking each other, the map is big enough not to meet.
I do teach them that interact with other people even if it is to say that he has something else going on right now. Also I find it not a good thing that I have to stop teaching a new player for the time that someone is going to rob me.
Yes not map is big but the nemesis can find each other and hence fore still my described situation is not solved at all.
As far as I am concerned any action I did not bring on with my own actions I should be able to walk away.
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I do teach them that interact with other people even if it is to say that he has something else going on right now. Also I find it not a good thing that I have to stop teaching a new player for the time that someone is going to rob me.
Yes not map is big but the nemesis can find each other and hence fore still my described situation is not solved at all.
As far as I am concerned any action I did not bring on with my own actions I should be able to walk away.
If people find each other just to annoy or hurt each other, admins can interfere.
The more peopl will interact, the easier it will be to walk away without getting a bullet in your back.
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If people find each other just to annoy or hurt each other, admins can interfere.
The more peopl will interact, the easier it will be to walk away without getting a bullet in your back.
Yes exactly, the more people will interact the easier it will be, but interacting doesn't equal to role playing. So all I want to know that for example, does teaching a new player to be a good community member excuse me from role playing with the robbers when I clearly say it to them or would that still be rulebreaking from my side?
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Admins make mistakes as every other person does, they are not robots or something, so they can make mistakes..
And finally some good news, got me pissed off when I tried to rob a guy and he cries in /em "sorry no time rp"
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To avoid that suspects are only taking their 'fun' of being chased and killing cops, then when they have no alternative commit suicide and start provcation about how they were never caught.
LOL - If you laugh that long, your heart may stop - Cutt3r(mega spam/random bad word edited)
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Admins make mistakes as every other person does, they are not robots or something, so they can make mistakes..
And finally some good news, got me pissed off when I tried to rob a guy and he cries in /em "sorry no time rp"
If the person has a decent reason for it (busy with managing stuff, other situation, ...) then that's a correct way to handle the situation.
If the person simply didn't want to roleplay because he wasn't in the mood, he should've been going off reading a book.
LOL - If you laugh that long, your heart may stop - Cutt3r(mega spam/random bad word edited)
Instead of acting like someone who's finger didn't came from the 'O' button, explain why you even posted that except to cause offense.
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One of the worst understood rules is the 'forcing roleplay'. And people are misusing it regularly.
- You are a cop and every vehicle you believe is speeding you /su: You are not roleplaying at all, you are just typing a command that forces players in to being suspect. This is not roleplay, but could even be seen as misuse of commands and lead to copban for invalid suspections. If you are going to do a speed check, pull over people and try to write them a ticket before using the /su command.
Every time I enter the SA:MP server, random cop does this or if i pass a stop light, I hope now for this reason i wont be ignored
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Instead of acting like someone who's finger didn't came from the 'O' button, explain why you even posted that except to cause offense.
just to see whether someone is paying attention?
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Because Gandalf is a selfish dick head, sorry.
gonna get v&
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Yes exactly, the more people will interact the easier it will be, but interacting doesn't equal to role playing. So all I want to know that for example, does teaching a new player to be a good community member excuse me from role playing with the robbers when I clearly say it to them or would that still be rulebreaking from my side?
This always depends on the situation. Teaching a new player to be a good community member would not include teaching him the example of "fook uff I am busy", so if that would be your tactic it would not be correct.
Perhaps sending them $50 and asking to let you continue instead of having to engage in a 30-minute scenario would be a good example. Howver trying to ignore or flame them would give the wrong example of a possibility to get out of a situation by misleading others.
As said, lead by example. But remember that whatever example you give can and will be taken out of context and used against others by some whose mind is on gaining advantage instead of interacting.
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if i remember, Santiago was warned because toto, hugo etc... dmed diablos and when the rp already was finished you came again.
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if i remember, Santiago was warned because toto, hugo etc... dmed diablos and when the rp already was finished you came again.
Were they Gvardia back then?
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All makes sense.
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fighting after surrender
Ever watched a movie?
What if I have a bobby pin, or something alike, in my pocket which I can reach with cuffs?
This just brings further roleplay, as I'm trying to get myself free. The officer at the other side might also accept it...
:ps: This just brought me to an idea, visiting Ideas board >.>
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Ever watched a movie?
What if I have a bobby pin, or something alike, in my pocket which I can reach with cuffs?
This just brings further roleplay, as I'm trying to get myself free. The officer at the other side might also accept it...
In movies you can break cuffs free and fly and become a predator and use the Force and go to Mordor and have high-tech gadgets and just be a normal guy.
If I remember correct, developers stated that roleplay extends as far as the reality goes.
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Roleplay means I can be a airplane if I want... Real life-roleplay is something else tho.
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This always depends on the situation. Teaching a new player to be a good community member would not include teaching him the example of "fook uff I am busy", so if that would be your tactic it would not be correct.
Perhaps sending them $50 and asking to let you continue instead of having to engage in a 30-minute scenario would be a good example. Howver trying to ignore or flame them would give the wrong example of a possibility to get out of a situation by misleading others.
As said, lead by example. But remember that whatever example you give can and will be taken out of context and used against others by some whose mind is on gaining advantage instead of interacting.
I agree. It does depend on the situation that's why I do not like it as a rule. Mostly it is because I dislike both kidnap and robberies RPs. I find them the most dull role plays there is and it happens so often. I am just sick of a person coming out of the blue to me saying: "Money or DIE!" and usually it doesn't matter if I give a reasonable amount of sum or not I am still getting shot dead. For god sakes all they seem to be directly doing it for the money not once I have been robbed for information about the military information about the heavy machinery going trough San Fierro or been kidnapped so they could influence let's say i9 taking care of SAPD detective who is too high up in the ass of those who kidnapped me. NOT ONCE!
So yes I do lead by an example and that would be to interact with anyone who wishes to speak to you and if you do not wish to participate in that particular role play you should be able to choose not to. I see no good coming out of role plays where people are dragged into the role play against their will if they have done nothing wrong.
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Contracting a sudden bout of rabies and dying in a frothy mess is a good way of getting out of robbery I found.
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Alright Gandalf since you've brought out this topic, I would like to forward a question to you. Kidnapping is a form of RP a citizen starts with cops right? But then most of the kidnappers, after getting arrested for kidnapping refuse to go to morder, isn't that like some sort of running away from the RP you've said about in first post?
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If someone you are robbing ignores you totally, AFTER you've given a fair warning, then be my guest and blast their brains all over the street...
Are you 100% sure about this? I mean, if the "robbed" player starts bunnyhopping away from you screaming "admin admin dm dm", then what?
What do you think admins will see from their point of view?
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Are you 100% sure about this? I mean, if the "robbed" player starts bunnyhopping away from you screaming "admin admin dm dm", then what?
What do you think admins will see from their point of view?
Oh great.. now we need 100 admins to spectate 100 players to see who's right. :(
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Please be sure you all read this. :)
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Please be sure you all read this. :)
Eat taco sir :devroll:
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Alright Gandalf since you've brought out this topic, I would like to forward a question to you. Kidnapping is a form of RP a citizen starts with cops right? But then most of the kidnappers, after getting arrested for kidnapping refuse to go to morder, isn't that like some sort of running away from the RP you've said about in first post?
lol I love going to Mordor. Sets the stage for "epilogue" roleplay.
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lol I love going to Mordor. Sets the stage for "epilogue" roleplay.
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Is forcing to RP if you want to rob someone ?
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Is forcing to RP if you want to rob someone ?
Nice bump. :D
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Is forcing to RP if you want to rob someone ?
Nope, Unless you tell him: give me money or die...
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Robbing itself is indeed not forcing RP, but if you force YOUR RP on him (thus forcing only 2 options given by YOU, for example: money or die) it is forcing RP.
So, if you the guy that gets robbed, RPs that he is poor and got no money in his wallet, you can not kill him.
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Thanks. The topic is sticky so it's not that much of a bump.
What if one says "I don't want to RP a robbery, I'm tired of it. Leave me alone. Thanks." ? If I continue to RP would that be forcing to RP ?