Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Ron271 on September 02, 2012, 12:49:38 am
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One thing that I've noticed time and time again is how much leeway police officers get. It's quite surprising, actually. Cops can kill suspects for simply being a suspect, not even allowing any time to give up. Hell, cops can kill almost any civilian and get away with it! I can't count the number of times I've been killed as a civilian by a cop, not to mention cops that just kill random people for the fun of it. I'll admit, I've seen cops get punished, but seen way more cops get away with dming. Now if that was a civilian doing the killing, you can bet he'd be punished immediately. I know i can't be the only person that feels this way. Some people will think I'm moaning, but oh well. If anybody could give an answer, Why do cops get so much leeway?
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One thing that I've noticed time and time again is how much leeway police officers get. It's quite surprising, actually. Cops can kill suspects for simply being a suspect, not even allowing any time to give up. Hell, cops can kill almost any civilian and get away with it! I can't count the number of times I've been killed as a civilian by a cop, not to mention cops that just kill random people for the fun of it. I'll admit, I've seen cops get punished, but seen way more cops get away with dming. Now if that was a civilian doing the killing, you can bet he'd be punished immediately. I know i can't be the only person that feels this way. Some people will think I'm moaning, but oh well. If anybody could give an answer, Why do cops get so much leeway?
Take pics, take time, [email protected]
/report <ID> <reason>
ADVISE them not to do it again by yourself and have admin help you if they do not wish to listen to you.
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Why people always moan? Why people always make such topics instead of using reports? Why people are lazy report if you been shot without chance of being surrender? Why people love drama? There is always questions which leads to another one,plz stop.
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This cop vs criminal kindoff discussions have already been done, don't even try. Most of all.. What are you trying to achieve with this topic? Oh one person moans about cops, let's change the scripts right away. Doesn't work that way, sorry.
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why admins always moan about people always moaning?
why regular player gets abused by cops and why admin always say "report on [email protected]"
i know you ain't getting paid to be an admin, but it's simple, if you don't like people moaning, then quit being admin?
let someone else take the job, someone who is interested and won't bitch and moan about the community "MOANING"
about wanting just a teeny winzy, tiny bit of change around here? you know damne right what the responsibility of being an
admin would bring you, if you can't take the pressure then it's simple, leave the job or do something progressive.
Now, i know there's like 1203012301203 players reporting at the same time, but there's always a /q button,
you don't even have to be admin, you wanted this.. remember? it all comes down to this, with great power, comes great responsibility.
it seems to me like admins are the ones that betch more and more each time someone makes a topic like this, trying to make a fair statement.
we all have the same rights, yeah it might be your website, yeah of course it's your server. But when they all get tired of being mistreated like this, they will leave, and when they all leave... what do you have left? nothing.
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Because the reason people moan is usually anger or frustration. Which is hard to bargain with.
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Well, i did report but that's besides the point. I didn't post this to bash admins. I didn't post this to start a big argument. I don't recall ever asking for a script change in my post. Seems like a simple question to me. But hey, maybe i'm wrong.
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Well, i did report but that's besides the point. I didn't post this to bash admins. I didn't post this to start a big argument. I don't recall ever asking for a script change in my post. Seems like a simple question to me. But hey, maybe i'm wrong.
Well, what kind of answer do you expect? "Cops get more leeway because they deserve more rights IG"?
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I can't even post a simple topic w/o getting attitude or sarcastic replies.
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I can't even post a simple topic w/o getting attitude or sarcastic replies.
this.
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[00:24:33] <Ron271> (48) WTF
[00:24:45] <Ron271> (48) johnny you are a terrible cop i hope you know this
[00:24:54] <Ron271> (48) Fucking blew up my car for no reason
[00:24:58] <Ron271> (48) Then kill me for no reason
[00:25:00] <Ron271> (48) nice.
Do you imply new players who roleplay as cops will get tought anything by meeting the attitude you display, Ron? Do you think you are improving their self-confidence and teaching them anything about the server, rules or/and the cop work by saying the above?
Everyone on the server gets treated equally from administration perspective. New players being highlighted about the rules and server in general. If they meet veterans who say "You are a terrible cop" do you think they will learn anything? Can the sentence be improved to sound better and actually help the player in question?
The cop who killed you were involved in a roleplay I hosted during this evening. It went out of line for a minute but I later managed to balance it again, though I was too late to prevent you from dying and I missed the incident. You got killed by a new officer (he had played one day) and you told he was a terrible cop. Is that the way you say players will improve and get highlighted of what is wrong and right?
Look at your self before looking at others. Instead of attempt to change others, attempt to realise what you need to change to improve you. By improving your self you are also improving others.
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Dat drama. :lol:
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Well, I'm in love with memolito. Hes.. :banana:
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Well i can't exactly help anybody out while getting my vehicle shot up..... I've tried to help out, never seems to work. I'll keep my help in /h. Cops don't tend to listen to civilians. A cop needs to help out a new cop. There were plenty of "experienced" (if you will) officers around there. "unknown" i think his name was even told the officer to calm down, he really took that into consideration i see. Of course i had an attitude, he blew up my vehicle for no reason then kills me. And i was not just highlighting this incident. Which is why i made no mention of it in my first post. It was only one of many. I was tempbanned and it's over. But I've been thinking about this for quite a while since this and decided to act today. So it seems the answer is "Everyone on the server gets treated equally from administration perspective."
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Why people always moan? Why people always make such topics instead of using reports? Why people are lazy report if you been shot without chance of being surrender? Why people love drama? There is always questions which leads to another one,plz stop.
what if he report? i have been 3days full active, did more than 30 reports, when 4-5+ admins online, for such a reasons stated in this topic, nothing happened mate, /report ID is just a shit, so Ron LET YOUR GUN TO TALK.
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CnR, duh.
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what if he report? i have been 3days full active, did more than 30 reports, when 4-5+ admins online, for such a reasons stated in this topic, nothing happened mate, /report ID is just a shit, so Ron LET YOUR GUN TO TALK.
Tell me, how do you nothing happened? Because you didn't see a warm/kick/ban? We have other ways to deal with incidents.
why regular player gets abused by cops and why admin always say "report on [email protected]"
Every report is read, not every report is given a reply. Doesn't mean nothing has happened though.
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I have an idea, let's create an amazing topic that will help in nothing but creating moaning posts and fights with administration members !!! Oh wait...
Well, i did report but that's besides the point. I didn't post this to bash admins. I didn't post this to start a big argument. I don't recall ever asking for a script change in my post. Seems like a simple question to me. But hey, maybe i'm wrong.
Simple answer with another question to you: Most of "those" cops are usually new players in the server, should admins straight ban them?
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Cop are not allowed to:
- suspect people without a roleplay reason
- shoot without giving a chance to surrender first
- shoot a suspect not showing weapons unless he is an uncooperative murdered/copkiller
- leave a surrendered suspect unattended
- jail a suspect that wishes to be investigated, within reasonable limits
- investigate a suspect that wishes to be jailed
If they break this rules they can be banned from doing this job apart from getting other punishments.
Suspects are not allowed to:
- try to get suspected without roleplay reason
- hunt for cops to kill
- fight or run after giving up.
If they break this rules they can get punished.
Nobody is allowed to:
- fight without roleplay reason
- flame, provoke and disrespect others
- exclude others from roleplay based on their experience, goup or knowledge of rules
Now for those players who have never read any topic and are just howling with the others.
Admins are:
- Allowed to punish only if they witness somethins. So if you get killed and spam the /report for 30 minutes telling the killer is a DMer it will not lead to punishment.
- Not ever taking your word for something. People lie.
- Not your mother or your kindergarten teacher. Need your butt wiped? Run to them.
- Not your personal ATM or teleporting machine. Stuck in the middle of nowhere? Get a taxi or walk.
- Here to help you. So if you flame and provoke them constantly, how much help do you expect to get ?
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Cop are not allowed to:
- suspect people without a roleplay reason
- shoot without giving a chance to surrender first
- shoot a suspect not showing weapons unless he is an uncooperative murdered/copkiller
- leave a surrendered suspect unattended
- jail a suspect that wishes to be investigated, within reasonable limits
- investigate a suspect that wishes to be jailed
If they break this rules they can be banned from doing this job apart from getting other punishments.
i wish every freecop respect this rules, i am sick of those new cops do some script like he need to play 2 weeks on the server, then he can go on cop duty...
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i wish every freecop respect this rules, i am sick of those new cops do some script like he need to play 2 weeks on the server, then he can go on cop duty...
I'm sick of players like you that pass all day long moaning but spend 0 minutes to help new players. Cops also wish that criminals would follow every rule, but they don't. And you don't see many of them making moaning topics.
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Admins respond to most reports, but most just don't use the /go command... if it's /go..
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i wish every freecop respect this rules, i am sick of those new cops do some script like he need to play 2 weeks on the server, then he can go on cop duty...
I wish every player would respect the rules. Perhaps make a script that they need to be registered 2 weeks reading the rules before they can move.
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Every reports are checked. It's not because you don't see "Admin is looking into your report" that nothing is done.
Generally I don't use /on that much (depends on the report reason), because it tends to people change their behaviour and act innocent when they know they are observed.
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Every reports are checked. It's not because you don't see "Admin is looking into your report" that nothing is done.
Generally I don't use /on that much (depends on the report reason), because it tends to people change their behaviour and act innocent when they know they are observed.
Thus when you don't use ON, people think their reports got ignored,
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I just thought it was interesting, is all. If a white square kills a white square multiple times, it's dm. If a blue square kills a white square multiple times its..........whatever. :poke:
But nevertheless i suppose i got my answer.
Thanks.
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I just thought it was interesting, is all. If a white square kills a white square multiple times, it's dm. If a blue square kills a white square multiple times its..........whatever. :poke:
But nevertheless i suppose i got my answer.
Thanks.
If it is done without RP, it is equally DM.
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I just thought it was interesting, is all. If a white square kills a white square multiple times, it's dm. If a blue square kills a white square multiple times its..........whatever. :poke:
But nevertheless i suppose i got my answer.
Thanks.
It's copban,and no you don't see big red ass text saying DIS DERP GOT COPBANNED FOR DM CIVILIANS FOR 5 DAYS,DERPIDI DERP. :lol:
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All reports aren't exactly read, most are but not all.
When it comes to topics like this, there are two answers. One from veterans who say what they experience on the server and those from admins/owners. I, personally trust the veterans opinions due to the fact that they will always be honest when it comes to questions like these, but admins/owners will always act blind when it comes to these matters. No matter how true a situation is, such as this, an admin or owner will never and I mean never admit that this is a problem. They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
inb4 my post rejected by admin/owner and or deleted by mod.
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Take the time out of your own gameplay to help teach newer players..it shouldn't always be up to a group of Administrators and Moderators to teach. If you truly do care about this community its the unspoken players who don't get their "5 minutes of fame" that help out newer players and try to show them the ropes about what roleplaying is.
Everyone has grown accustom to suspects no longer /guing and instantly pulling out a weapon and firing upon police. Don't try to tell me that I'm lying or spreading false information because I've played for both sides. I was apart of SAPD for a long time, and 95% of the criminals I have come across do it, and now I'm a Corleone member and I can honestly say myself, I would rather try to escape or kill the police rather than surrender..it's something we've all grown accustom to. Police have the /s1 , /s2 , and /s3 command and I see mostly all of them using the commands which gives the the legal right to use non-lethal or deadly force on a suspect based on the current situation.
If you have an issue with the way you are treated by police when not suspect, say he shoots your car maybe it is by accident, maybe he did it on purpose only he knows, and possibly you know. We have a report section on the ARPD website, USE IT! You can freely report freecops, and SAPD members for this purpose. If you refuse to take some time out of your day to take screenshots and help get these rulebreakers dealt with, then you have no reason to be posting moaning topics here. Obviously you have the time to post this topic, so explain to me why you don't have the time to take some screenshots and file a report or send an email to [email protected]? Do you also realize that 95% of the punishments handed out are those not seen to the public eye in SAMP? Why do you think you never get responses from the email? Because it's already been dealt with in an alternative way. You all think the mildest rulebreak should be punished with tempbans, and cops bans, and full bans when we have alot more efficient ways to deal with rulebreakers.
Get a clue and realize that it takes a full community effort to fix this problem, and not a lone group of helpers to do it ourselves.
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All reports aren't exactly read, most are but not all.
When it comes to topics like this, there are two answers. One from veterans who say what they experience on the server and those from admins/owners. I, personally trust the veterans opinions due to the fact that they will always be honest when it comes to questions like these, but admins/owners will always act blind when it comes to these matters. No matter how true a situation is, such as this, an admin or owner will never and I mean never admit that this is a problem. They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
inb4 my post rejected by admin/owner and or deleted by mod.
As from now all you reports will be officially ignored, and any act punished on sight.
Happy?
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All reports aren't exactly read, most are but not all.
When it comes to topics like this, there are two answers. One from veterans who say what they experience on the server and those from admins/owners. I, personally trust the veterans opinions due to the fact that they will always be honest when it comes to questions like these, but admins/owners will always act blind when it comes to these matters. No matter how true a situation is, such as this, an admin or owner will never and I mean never admit that this is a problem. They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
inb4 my post rejected by admin/owner and or deleted by mod.
Well this is rather entertaining to read, but overall it's a blatant lie, so what you're implying is that administration are bias? That they do what ever it takes to cover themselves and not help players?
All this coming from an ex-administration member is rather ironic.
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All reports aren't exactly read, most are but not all.
When it comes to topics like this, there are two answers. One from veterans who say what they experience on the server and those from admins/owners. I, personally trust the veterans opinions due to the fact that they will always be honest when it comes to questions like these, but admins/owners will always act blind when it comes to these matters. No matter how true a situation is, such as this, an admin or owner will never and I mean never admit that this is a problem. They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
inb4 my post rejected by admin/owner and or deleted by mod.
Quite ironically why you applied for admin team your self and were all fluffy if all is so bias? Just because you have done horrible admin work,doesn't means everyone is equally to you.
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See? Just like I said. Admins/owners saying this is false when every non-admin and every non-omg amdin i love you!!!! player is saying it's very true.
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See? Just like I said. Admins/owners saying this is false when every non-admin and every non-omg amdin i love you!!!! player is saying it's very true.
I am not saying it is false as it is basicly impossible that 100% of reports are answered.
So we could never deny your statement.
However what I do say is that more reports are looked in to as any player realises, and many players, including you, are just spreading false rumours because they are butthurt on being denied and demoted due to their behavour.
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All reports aren't exactly read, most are but not all.
When it comes to topics like this, there are two answers. One from veterans who say what they experience on the server and those from admins/owners. I, personally trust the veterans opinions due to the fact that they will always be honest when it comes to questions like these, but admins/owners will always act blind when it comes to these matters. No matter how true a situation is, such as this, an admin or owner will never and I mean never admit that this is a problem. They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
inb4 my post rejected by admin/owner and or deleted by mod.
There is only one flaw in your logic, and that is, veterans dont see what we see. And belive me, No one is trying to say that we are not the perfect admin team. It's impossible to have a perfect admin team on such big server as Argonath.
They will simply look the other way instead of attempting to solve a real problem.
You go any solid evidence to back up that statement or do you want to continue to start bullshitting on us, trying to make it so what YOU think are real fact?
Me personally have more then once raised up different matters what i think is a problem which we need to fix. Hell, i have even sent complaints to [email protected] about problems.
I'm sorry, but i can't take you seriously since you have no idea how we are currently working in improving ourself and the team as a whole, and you can't provide evidence of your statements either.
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Eh, I'm not talking about reports. I'm talking about the original topic. But, I felt the need to let the person know that no matter how many topics he makes, how many people agree with him, nothing will change because the people in charge(admins/owners) will never see it for what it is. They just pretend it's not there, as if it isn't a problem. But it is.
and i have no idea what you're talking about being denied or demoted. i haven't been denied nor demoted whatsoever recently ??
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I still can't grasp why you are still here if you think the leadership don't understand how to run the community and servers as well as deal with these so-called problems, please enlighten me.
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Define here?
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Well you're clearly still on the forum trying to prove something or other, and possibly still going ingame yet you don't like what you see in Argonath as you have clearly said in previous posts.
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Admins can't police every single bit of police abuse that occurs.
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why admins always moan about people always moaning?
why regular player gets abused by cops and why admin always say "report on [email protected]"
i know you ain't getting paid to be an admin, but it's simple, if you don't like people moaning, then quit being admin?
let someone else take the job, someone who is interested and won't bad girl and moan about the community "MOANING"
about wanting just a teeny winzy, tiny bit of change around here? you know damne right what the responsibility of being an
admin would bring you, if you can't take the pressure then it's simple, leave the job or do something progressive.
Now, i know there's like 1203012301203 players reporting at the same time, but there's always a /q button,
you don't even have to be admin, you wanted this.. remember? it all comes down to this, with great power, comes great responsibility.
it seems to me like admins are the ones that betch more and more each time someone makes a topic like this, trying to make a fair statement.
we all have the same rights, yeah it might be your website, yeah of course it's your server. But when they all get tired of being mistreated like this, they will leave, and when they all leave... what do you have left? nothing.
All of us know the [email protected] is like with 1000000000000 mails unread , no one check that, they just say to report there for we shut up with the moaning all of us know it.
Admins they're job is listen and help community , not moan about moaning, if this admins cant help the community my suggestion is fire him and open againt the moderator apply's, its like the 3rd day i do /report and /admins and no one online only the loyal Sauron.
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Administration members also have lives to deal with, they can't be sitting on Argonath all day long.
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I have a few things to prove, and no, I don't log in IG.
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So what you're doing is attempting to prove something that you have no actual information about nor do you even go ingame to see what's happening. :gn:
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Its very simple to solve this situation, if people think that /report does nothing, pull out your gun and start shooting and stop moaning....
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All of us know the [email protected] is like with 1000000000000 mails unread , no one check that, they just say to report there for we shut up with the moaning all of us know it.
Admins they're job is listen and help community , not moan about moaning, if this admins cant help the community my suggestion is fire him and open againt the moderator apply's, its like the 3rd day i do /report and /admins and no one online only the loyal Sauron.
Well I guess you will have to try now.
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I have a few things to prove, and no, I don't log in IG.
If you do not play, you simple lose the right to talk about what anyone does in game.
So your next shitting post will be checked for activity, and result in the forum ban you are longing for if you have not been in game.
Hope that will make you happy as it will increase your 'street cred' with your group of Argonath rejects.
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Dat butthurt,is strong on this one.
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/report ID is just a shit, so Ron LET YOUR GUN TO TALK.
its sad cause its actually true lol
you'll get alot less problems by simply killing someone who false suspected you and begin to evade than if you surrender and ask for investigation and so on
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Ingame reports we cannot guarantee that we can handle all reports but regarding for example the [email protected] reports we can guarantee that we do read even if you do not always get any reply..
It's often when some details are missing and i reply to the reporter that i don't even get a responds and therefor the report is being closed due to lack of information to proccess the report with...
Regarding cops getting leeway, they get as much "leeway" as anyone else on the server.. We are indeed trying to improve ways to reduce various kind of common issuse such as "abusing cops". One step was that we once upon a time introduced the copban which have been a very good tool for us to work agains those people who regularly uses the cop fashino to "dm criminals"..
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Its very simple to solve this situation, if people think that /report does nothing, pull out your gun and start shooting and stop moaning....
Best reply here. Lock this topic, no more words needed.
And I fully agree with you, Ana. That's how it was back at 2006-2007, and that's how it should've stayed.
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If you run into someone deathmatching, you can always just "pull out your gun and start shooting" in that you can defend yourself if it's really necessary.
You just don't want to elevate the situation, especially if it's a new player, you don't want to welcome them the wrong way.
Usually worth trying to point it out to them that we're not a deathmatching server, and if you're too busy/just don't want to do that, a report can hopefully pass it over to someone in A-Team to do the job. At the end of the day, your "good intentions" or your way of getting out a problem wouldn't be much use if it got you in the firing line.
No problems would be solved if it was just a back and forth.
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The 'telling new players this isn't a Dm server' method is a bit overrated... As it doesn't work most of the time.
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Well I guess you will have to try now.
ah ok, anyone clicked on Select all and trash my bad sorry :|
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One step was that we once upon a time introduced the copban which have been a very good tool for us to work agains those people who regularly uses the cop fashino to "dm criminals"..
you see this is bullshit
cop dm = copban
non-cop dm = real punishment
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you see this is bullshit
cop dm = copban
non-cop dm = real punishment
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+1
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you see this is bullshit
cop dm = copban
non-cop dm = real punishment
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Shall we add one more ban system (criminalban) ?
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Shall we add one more ban system (criminalban) ?
Cops are the same has criminals, they are players, there for they should be punished the same way, Cop Ban is just a special treatment that players on cop duty have to prevent them from getting ''Real punishement''.
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Shall we add one more ban system (criminalban) ?
NO NO ONOOOOOO, DO EVERYTHING BUT THAT NO OKAEY? :help: :war: :skull: :banana:
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Cops are given duty weaponry and extra rights/commands, by copbanning them, it restricts them from using those commands/tools as they have displayed that they can not use them correctly.
What more would you like? Would you like criminals to have their chance of buying and using weapons removed when they rulebreak? So they have to bunnyhop until shot to death if they're suspected?
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ah ok, anyone clicked on Select all and trash my bad sorry :|
As the mail address forwards the complaint to 9 mail addresses at this time, it would be pretty much telling if all 9 people have done that.
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you see this is bullshit
cop dm = copban
non-cop dm = real punishment
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Yep if the ZOMG veterans refuse to explain new people how to be a cop and tell them to do /duty and hunt orange dots then DMers get two chances before being banned.
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I think we should have a week where every hour. Someone get's to be an admin.
Then we will subject them to several scenarios specifically involving cops.
Let's see how many of them forget that warnings or even kicks (and further punishments if due) is also involved alongside the actual cop-ban.
Really, there's so much more going on besides just handing out a punishment guys. I'm not saying that players has to be admins in order to understand it. But try to think from an objective approach on the problem, and you will find
far more going on than meets the eye.
It's one thing to complain, and another to use lies to backup your statements.
EXTRA Suggsestion for free:
How about we just remove the ability for players to kill eachother. And then change the server rules and scripts to "The Sims RPG".
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I think we should have a week where every hour. Someone get's to be an admin.
Then we will subject them to several scenarios specifically involving cops.
Let's see how many of them forget that warnings or even kicks (and further punishments if due) is also involved alongside the actual cop-ban.
Really, there's so much more going on besides just handing out a punishment guys. I'm not saying that players has to be admins in order to understand it. But try to think from an objective approach on the problem, and you will find
far more going on than meets the eye.
It's one thing to complain, and another to use lies to backup your statements.
It's hard work to be an admin or moderator, even more to be a manager or leader. You get all sorts of shit thrown at you and you get nothing in return for helping the community but shit from moaning players and respect from people that do understand what you are doing. I bet that the people that are moaning here won't last a day on the job.
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It's hard work to be an admin or moderator, even more to be a manager or leader. You get all sorts of shit thrown at you and you get nothing in return for helping the community but shit from moaning players and respect from people that do understand what you are doing. I bet that the people that are moaning here won't last a day on the job.
It's hardly hard work. It's a matter of activity and time. And thinking.
That's what makes the work hard.
I coulnd't give two serious shits about some random dude whining and crying is heart out at admins because he thinks that Mama Noob Sim pulled out a gun to kill Papa PRO RP S/F OC/ICC Sim equals the death penalty and that new players must be given as much harsh punishments straight from day one as veterans get's.
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Admins and moderators DO have a fairly difficult job.
They make decisions depending on the evidence they can get and what they can see.
There is no 'favouritism' involved.
They hand out punishments where punishments are given.
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If you want privileges, join law enforcement. If you want a challenge, join the criminal world.
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If you want privileges, join law enforcement. If you want a challenge, join the criminal world.
Added: if you want to shit, join another server. :D
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Added: if you want to shit, join another server. :D
the toilet, sir*
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I think Pepper is a pretty cool guy. Eh argue with everyone and doesn’t afraid of anything.
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It works both ways, trigger happy cops force trigger happy criminals. Trigger happy criminals force trigger happy cops...Copbans are used as an alternative punishment as the job of a cop on the server can be mistaken heavily especially for new players such as misuse of the /su command and others, DMing as a cop is also abusing your duty issued weapons which is when a copban is handed out because technically your misusing a privilege offered by the scripts..maybe if we had RP criminals, we would have RP cops..technically 90% of the reported death matching we get is criminal to criminal death matching...so I don't think the issue of death matching lies solely on the police force..
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It works both ways, trigger happy cops force trigger happy criminals. Trigger happy criminals force trigger happy cops...Copbans are used as an alternative punishment as the job of a cop on the server can be mistaken heavily especially for new players such as misuse of the /su command and others, DMing as a cop is also abusing your duty issued weapons which is when a copban is handed out because technically your misusing a privilege offered by the scripts..maybe if we had RP criminals, we would have RP cops..technically 90% of the reported death matching we get is criminal to criminal death matching...so I don't think the issue of death matching lies solely on the police force..
This, however..
I've said to people in the ARPD and I'll quote what i said precisely.
ARPD forces in-game can be controllable, depends if the leader of the party is willing to be more depth in roleplay.
Sometimes we can get to the point in a well roleplay scene, but something will mess it up such as the other party takes out their weapons and leaves them idle with their hands after told to put it down as it is a security ris
Currently:
- If we spray them, the blast of nonsense occurs
- If we communicate, pushing and shoving will occur
- If one player from any party takes a step which leads all players there in a risk, then everyone will take their own way.
I suggest:
- Before you proceed to a criminal scene with many players around, be sure to contact the leader via PM and organize what's going to happen and how thing's should be done.
- Hold your members tight and make sure they are in a neutral act.
The leadership remains in power to those who are organizing the roleplay events. Sometimes inexperienced officers can have absolute no idea on how they should act properly in a situation where many people conducting it. That is why I'm developing a Desk Staff division in order to assist them, and those officers who do assist them will be rewarded.. what you'll be rewarded with? You'll see once RS5 comes live.
Anyone can do the above, if someone ruins a roleplay scenario - report them to their superiors if they have any or to the online administrators or else use [email protected]
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This, however..
I've said to people in the ARPD and I'll quote what i said precisely.
ARPD forces in-game can be controllable, depends if the leader of the party is willing to be more depth in roleplay.
Sometimes we can get to the point in a well roleplay scene, but something will mess it up such as the other party takes out their weapons and leaves them idle with their hands after told to put it down as it is a security ris
Currently:
- If we spray them, the blast of nonsense occurs
- If we communicate, pushing and shoving will occur
- If one player from any party takes a step which leads all players there in a risk, then everyone will take their own way.
I suggest:
- Before you proceed to a criminal scene with many players around, be sure to contact the leader via PM and organize what's going to happen and how thing's should be done.
- Hold your members tight and make sure they are in a neutral act.
The leadership remains in power to those who are organizing the roleplay events. Sometimes inexperienced officers can have absolute no idea on how they should act properly in a situation where many people conducting it. That is why I'm developing a Desk Staff division in order to assist them, and those officers who do assist them will be rewarded.. what you'll be rewarded with? You'll see once RS5 comes live.
Anyone can do the above, if someone ruins a roleplay scenario - report them to their superiors if they have any or to the online administrators or else use [email protected]
Speechless, bravo great minds think alike my friend..
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Sometimes all it takes is someone (preferred to be in command) actually take command.
Yesterday my attention was drawn to a large group in Idlewood, where backup was asked for.
There were about 15 to 20 players present, without any suspects.
Cops were asked to stand back and not engage on /r, and (reluctantly) followed this orders.
Next it was funny how some of the 'roleplaying criminals' were asking in CB when they could start to shoot....and some leaders showed their capacity by telling not to shoot unless it was called for.
As usual some decided to jumpstart the action by fighting between each other, which led to 'orange dots' taking out their guns....and being tempbanned.
Strange enough the group dissolved right after that, as they found the scenario of a mass shootout was too hard to accomplish.....
During this time, cops did stand back as ordered, and stopped traffic from going near to the situation.
The only negative on them was not breaking up the roadblocks once the group had dissolved, which ledt short time later to minor incidents there.
Without the intervention to stand down, it would have become another DM fest with accusations flying to all sides. Now only a couple of players were disappointed not to be able to kill blue dots....
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LOL, I don't really give a fuck about free cop abusers, I just hunt them down like a boss, and if they try to run, I will go after them and I kick their ass, that will make them understand to not suspect people like that. And if they come back I will kill them again till some high ranked cops come to kill me. Since 2011 I've understood that, now I barely surrender. So guys if cops come to abuse just blast their fucking ass with no mercy, you'll feel free and good :D
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LOL, I don't really give a f**k about free cop abusers, I just hunt them down like a boss, and if they try to run, I will go after them and I kick their ass, that will make them understand to not suspect people like that. And if they come back I will kill them again till some high ranked cops come to kill me. Since 2011 I've understood that, now I barely surrender. So guys if cops come to abuse just blast their f**king ass with no mercy, you'll feel free and good :D
I understand your ban now :D
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I understand your ban now :D
Luciano topic page 113, you will understand ever better.
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Cops are the same has criminals, they are players, there for they should be punished the same way, Cop Ban is just a special treatment that players on cop duty have to prevent them from getting ''Real punishement''.
Cops are like any other player indeed and should be punished equally, but they are working and getting special privilege when they join cop script and get free weapons to use which others dosen't on the server. That's why we also have the copban script to partly stop and punish those who missuses it.. It's ofc depending from case to case what and how we punish players, copban or full ban or any other kind of punishment..
You can see the copban as an equal way of an other players punishment such an adminjail and warning.. a copban are not equal to a full server ban as you obviusly think it is... pathetic..
And NO, copban is not an specialtreatment.. just an alternative way instead of adminjail and warning so they afterwards can go back on cop duty and continue there work right away like "criminals" can... Maybe i should request a criminalban command... Interesting thought..
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Plz kriminalban script,all people complaining about copban being slight will gusta this,make them forcefully be on fireman duty when they get criminal ban,and unable to equip in ammu or trade guns. :lol: :devroll:
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Plz kriminalban script,all people complaining about copban being slight will gusta this,make them forcefully be on fireman duty when they get criminal ban,and unable to equip in ammu or trade guns. :lol: :devroll:
Supported.
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Plz kriminalban script,all people complaining about copban being slight will gusta this,make them forcefully be on fireman duty when they get criminal ban,and unable to equip in ammu or trade guns. :lol: :devroll:
RP It.
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RP It.
Sense, this makes none. :trust:
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Next it was funny how some of the 'roleplaying criminals' were asking in CB when they could start to shoot....and some leaders showed their capacity by telling not to shoot unless it was called for.
As usual some decided to jumpstart the action by fighting between each other, which led to 'orange dots' taking out their guns....and being tempbanned.
This is true. Some people were asking this, maybe some because they just wanted to shoot, maybe because, just in case you hadn't noticed, at least 10 guys were already fighting (without using weapons).
That was an option that hasn't been chosen. I mean.. a guy decided himself to start shooting, and consequently all the other people took out their guns. I must say the shootout hasn't been violent. Indeed, just few seconds later it was calming a bit and probably was going to end (with not many deaths). But I can't surely say this as I had the honor to be banned first..
Now.. I don't know if you spectated the whole RP action or just the beginning of the shooting.. You probably saw the beginning of the shootout and consequently reacted thinking about a mass DM. The problem is this action had RP bases.
Without the intervention to stand down, it would have become another DM fest with accusations flying to all sides. Now only a couple of players were disappointed not to be able to kill blue dots....
Sad to see that a shootout can be easily confused with a "DM fest".. and that its only aim would be killing cops. Probably I'm not used enough to SA:MP (I was just playing there for some hours since a lot of time), and probably you were right thinking about a DM, but this seemed to me a mis-interpretation.
P.S.
Here is the video of the shootout from the beginning.
Argonath RPG - SA:MP - Mafia-Gang Shootout / Being Tempbanned - 04/09/2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59KDuO4Yss8#ws)
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Sad to see that a shootout can be easily confused with a "DM fest".. and that its only aim would be killing cops. Probably I'm not used enough to SA:MP (I was just playing there for some hours since a lot of time), and probably you were right thinking about a DM, but this seemed to me a mis-interpretation.
It's hard for admins to see through it. Just seems like loads of people shooting at each other. You didn't RP or say anything and just shot which is probably why you got punished for it.
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It's hard for admins to see through it. Just seems like loads of people shooting at each other. You didn't RP or say anything and just shot which is probably why you got punished for it.
I actually got shot at, then walked back and took out the gun..
Anyway I don't wanna start a fight (even because it's just a tempban on SAMP..). I just wanted to know his point of view.
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I actually got shot at, then walked back and took out the gun..
For a third person it's hard to tell. At least you accepted the punishment...
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At least you accepted the punishment...
Sure I did, as the situation was obviously mis-readable.
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Ban first, speak never. Such an easy task for some of them....
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Now.. I don't know if you spectated the whole RP action or just the beginning of the shooting.. You probably saw the beginning of the shootout and consequently reacted thinking about a mass DM. The problem is this action had RP bases.
I was spectating what happened from about 5 minutes before this happened.
The initial plan seemed to be to attract some cops to fight with, but as they got ordered to stay away and not to engage, this fight was the alternative to obtain the orange colour.
As for tempban, I tempbanned mainly those who were clearly shooting or had already killed others at that area. Nobody was banned for just waving a gun or running away.
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I was spectating what happened from about 5 minutes before this happened.
The initial plan seemed to be to attract some cops to fight with, but as they got ordered to stay away and not to engage, this fight was the alternative to obtain the orange colour.
As for tempban, I tempbanned mainly those who were clearly shooting or had already killed others at that area. Nobody was banned for just waving a gun or running away.
Ok.
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Plz kriminalban script,all people complaining about copban being slight will gusta this,make them forcefully be on fireman duty when they get criminal ban,and unable to equip in ammu or trade guns. :lol: :devroll:
Supported!
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Now we got cops moaning about criminals shooting them and killing them while they're standing still.. :lol:
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As a hardened criminal who never played as a cop throughout 5+ years of playing here, there's no way in hell I'd enter this discussion and get out of it alive :lol: