Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Kizzu on September 24, 2012, 02:24:43 am
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English/American Media:http://www.deccanherald.com/content/211797/uk-softening-up-its-population.html / http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=797926 (http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=797926)
French Media: http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/detroit-d-ormuz-imposant-exercice-naval-conduit-par-les-etats-unis-face-a-l-iran-17-09-2012-1507028_24.php (http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/detroit-d-ormuz-imposant-exercice-naval-conduit-par-les-etats-unis-face-a-l-iran-17-09-2012-1507028_24.php)
Portuguese Media:http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=26&did=37478 / http://exame.abril.com.br/mundo/noticias/guarda-revolucionaria-nada-sobrara-se-israel-atacar (http://exame.abril.com.br/mundo/noticias/guarda-revolucionaria-nada-sobrara-se-israel-atacar) / http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Mundo/Interior.aspx?content_id=2785134 (http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Mundo/Interior.aspx?content_id=2785134)
Some say it directly, some indirectly, but it's there.... kinda.
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Recent interview with Iran's president.
Questioner: Do you think war is imminent and if so, would we see military conflicts before this year's end between Israel and Iran?
President Ahmadinejad: (Short story) Yes.
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Recent interview with Iran's president.
Questioner: Do you think war is imminent and if so, would we see military conflicts before this year's end between Israel and Iran?
President Ahmadinejad: (Short story) Yes.
And if that happends good bye world peace as we've seen it the past 40-50 years..
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And if that happends good bye world peace as we've seen it the past 40-50 years..
inb4nukefest
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Does Iran already have nukes, they say that if Israel attacks, nothing will remain...
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/iran-warns-nothing-will-remain-of-israel-if-military-action-begins/ (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/iran-warns-nothing-will-remain-of-israel-if-military-action-begins/)
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Thank you, USA(?) (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCNdZccLhDvY&ei=yF1gUOebJMn5sgamrYGQAQ&usg=AFQjCNHO_h3TQtUEpiszTgp1TRmws0YOPQ&sig2=VQj0ehDGZKTQCSoGDc9xog)
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Thank you, USA(?) (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCNdZccLhDvY&ei=yF1gUOebJMn5sgamrYGQAQ&usg=AFQjCNHO_h3TQtUEpiszTgp1TRmws0YOPQ&sig2=VQj0ehDGZKTQCSoGDc9xog)
Gratz on 3800 posts.
And it was obvious since June that war will happen.
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Bullshit.
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And if that happends good bye world peace as we've seen it the past 40-50 years..
World peace? Gimme a break...
Russian in Afganistan, Cold war, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan again, Two wars in balkans in 8 years, the war of Britain versus Argentina, Libya etc...
Yea dude, there was never world peace...
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But those are small wars.If war between Iran and Israel begins we will have a World War 3 in our hands.
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SMALL wars?! Oh fucking hell, if you call that small, you better know what's coming for you at WWIII.
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The Cold War is pretty much a series of proxy wars between Democracy and Communism, pretty much through government regime changes, but nothing on the scale of what is going on right now.
It's more like hell bent on annihilating an entire country & dragging everybody into it. Iran even said if United States wasn't involved in an Israeli strike, they WILL retaliate by hitting U.S. bases within reach.
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Funny how NATO nations walked off during President Ahmadinejad speech in U.N assembly. :lol:
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Just wanna end up with this issue with Israel, Iran and all. Syria as well. Encouraging the peace. Enough living with fear daily.
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But those are small wars.If war between Iran and Israel begins we will have a World War 3 in our hands.
Small wars? DUUUUDE, if you call those wars small than WW1 AND WW2 are just medium wars... -.-
World peace will never be present for more than 3 years from now on, and that are my expectings!
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TBH I don't give a shit aslong as the UK doesn't get involved, protect your own soil, thats all a country needs to do. :D
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TBH I don't give a shit aslong as the UK doesn't get involved, protect your own soil, thats all a country needs to do. :D
imo that's what both israel and iran are doing.
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TBH I don't give a shit aslong as the UK doesn't get involved, protect your own soil, thats all a country needs to do. :D
Why are we speaking English right now? Oh wait let me remind you. Becaaaaause UK invaded the entire planet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png).
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Why are we speaking English right now? Oh wait let me remind you. Becaaaaause UK invaded the entire planet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png).
Not true. We speak English because it is a simple language that has evolved to be used without a lot of grammatical structure. We could speak Latin as most Doctors do, however the high level of grammar makes it much harder to access. The script and pronounciation of Arabic and Chinese are complicated for most Europeans, meaning there is little alternative to be used for world language.
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I don't give a shit aslong as the UK doesn't get involved
It likely will should this actually explode into military conflict, given its alliances with the United States and its membership in NATO.
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Not true. We speak English because it is a simple language that has evolved to be used without a lot of grammatical structure. We could speak Latin as most Doctors do, however the high level of grammar makes it much harder to access. The script and pronounciation of Arabic and Chinese are complicated for most Europeans, meaning there is little alternative to be used for world language.
Both reasons are correct. Take a look at this article (http://voices.yahoo.com/how-english-became-global-language-382880.html?cat=37) or Google it by yourself, before another false argument starts.
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Becaaaaause UK invaded the entire planet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png).
The bits of land that UK invaded are hardly part of the core of our society. Canada, Australia, African territories (to name the bits of land with a worth-meaning size) were all colonies = British simply ''reproduced'' their society views there. And the cultural core of the world (Europe) never felt like absorbing Indian values.
Russia, Germany, France, etc who have the weight on our culture were never invaded by the UK. The English naval power served as a good blanket to cover their weak army back in the day.
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The bits of land that UK invaded are hardly part of the core of our society. Canada, Australia, African territories (to name the bits of land with a worth-meaning size) were all colonies = British simply ''reproduced'' their society views there. And the cultural core of the world (Europe) never felt like absorbing Indian values.
Russia, Germany, France, etc who have the weight on our culture were never invaded by the UK. The English naval power served as a good blanket to cover their weak army back in the day.
The British naval power back in the time of the Empire was infact what gave Britain alot of superiority round the world, the army was not weak it just didn't have enough troops to continue it's dominance, which eventually lead to the Empire falling, the UK has as good as an army as any other super power in the world, just the number of troops are lower, which is why Britain relies more on technology in battle than numbers of troops.
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The British naval power back in the time of the Empire was infact what gave Britain alot of superiority round the world, the army was not weak it just didn't have enough troops to continue it's dominance, which eventually lead to the Empire falling, the UK has as good as an army as any other super power in the world, just the number of troops are lower, which is why Britain relies more on technology in battle than numbers of troops.
Technology is nothing compared to thousands of alchohol powered soldiers who dont give a fuck about theyre lives in order to protect what they love!
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alchohol powered soldiers
lol
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lol
3 shots of plum rakia (brandy on english, but not that shitty thing brandy, but that homemade Serbian whos average content of alchohol is 40$-45%) AND YOU will have so much power without being drunk. Yea, serious!
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3 shots of plum rakia (brandy on english, but not that shitty thing brandy, but that homemade Serbian whos average content of alchohol is 40$-45%) AND YOU will have so much power without being drunk. Yea, serious!
That explains how russia saved europe in WW2....VODKA!
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That explains how russia saved europe in WW2....VODKA!
Russia didn't save Europe, and Russia wasnt fighting for Europe, they were fighting for themselves....
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And if that happends good bye world peace as we've seen it the past 40-50 years..
>World peace
Remember this guy?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg/220px-Muammar_al-Gaddafi_at_the_AU_summit.jpg)
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Russia didn't save Europe, and Russia wasnt fighting for Europe, they were fighting for themselves....
Yes they did. The British strived to keep themselves safe even with the water obstacle for Germany. France - no comment. USA - did a part in the war but does not even come close to what the Eastern Front was. While the USSR had to hold a Germany who was throwing all on only one European front for 2 years, and who still held most of its resources in that same front for the rest of the war.
Regardless of what Russia planned to do about their neighbors during the war, you can't deny they saved a huge chunk of Europe.
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Soviet Russia played a major role in World War 2, especially when it came to saving Europe, Mikal.
Back during (I think) the invasion of Poland, Germany had a pact with Russia, but that probably broke around in 1940-42 and put Germany in a dangerous position, especially having to send troops from the West against France and the UK to push into the USSR
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Yes they did. The British strived to keep themselves safe even with the water obstacle for Germany. France - no comment. USA - did a part in the war but does not even come close to what the Eastern Front was. While the USSR had to hold a Germany who was throwing all on only one European front for 2 years, and who still held most of its resources in that same front for the rest of the war.
Regardless of what Russia planned to do about their neighbors during the war, you can't deny they saved a huge chunk of Europe.
Nearly every country took park in saving Europe, the only reason Europe was ever over-run in the first place was because it's up Germany's ass, it'd be pathetic of Russia to say 'Oh yeah we saved Europe' since the UK, USSR and America took part in it.
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Russia didn't save Europe, and Russia wasnt fighting for Europe, they were fighting for themselves....
USSR did play a crucial part in the Ally victory
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Not true. We speak English because it is a simple language that has evolved to be used without a lot of grammatical structure. We could speak Latin as most Doctors do, however the high level of grammar makes it much harder to access. The script and pronounciation of Arabic and Chinese are complicated for most Europeans, meaning there is little alternative to be used for world language.
I've studied German and I can say that it's a lot easier than English, yet I do not see many people using German as international one. It's actually true, the reason we all speak Inglesias is due to British Empire expansion + America. Everyone from Europe, when immigrating to America, started learning English so it would be easier to speak there, and since both USA and UK evolved into a big nation, also by influencing with media, it was just predetermined that English will be the international language. Language simplicity is just a big bonus quickening the English language expansion.
That explains how russia saved europe in WW2....VODKA!
I'm surprised you didn't know about it. A well known common fact which was said by my grandfather is that during WWII, especially during winter, there were daily "battle 100g" ("ñþõòыõ ÑÂÂтþ óрðü" in Russian) given to almost every soldier on the frontier. No, not 100g of pot, 100g of vodka, it's basically two shots of vodka, they were given to warm up a bit, as a fear anesthetic and as a morale booster.
Nearly every country took park in saving Europe, the only reason Europe was ever over-run in the first place was because it's up Germany's ass, it'd be pathetic of Russia to say 'Oh yeah we saved Europe' since the UK, USSR and America took part in it.
Not really. British were fighting in North Africa and simply disrupting some operations at Northern German parts with a bit of France, USA, for the most part, only did a great advance at the Normandy, rest of the fighting for them were in the Pacific theater, Russia was the only one fighting in European core, the only one who disrupted German advancement through Russia (God bless Russians and their nuclear winters), fought back and finished Germany at it's core.
While, no doubt, USA and UK played a big role supporting Russia in whole WWII conflict, the WWII for Germany ended only thanks to Russia, because USA and UK was being pussies at sending their troops. For clarification, if I remember correct, USA joined war only in 1943 in Europe, while Russia fighting Nazis since mid-late 1939.
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Ok, let me prove in one sentence that russians saved Europe:
They conquered berlin first, put theyre flag on the reichstag first, and killed all remaining germans soldiers in it, and after that split Berlin to 4 parts, one for them threee others gave to allies.
Long story short...
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No one saved Europe, it destroyed itself till a breaking point.
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Ok, let me prove in one sentence that russians saved Europe:
They conquered berlin first, put theyre flag on the reichstag first, and killed all remaining germans soldiers in it, and after that split Berlin to 4 parts, one for them threee others gave to allies.
Long story short...
Russia didn't do that, that was Allied occupation splitting it up into multiple portions which formed West and East Germany. East Germany was a Republic, West Germany was a Federation I believe
Allied-Occupied Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany)
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Russia didn't do that, that was Allied occupation splitting it up into multiple portions which formed West and East Germany. East Germany was a Republic, West Germany was a Federation I believe
Allied-Occupied Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany)
Ok, i admit, a small mistake. BUT, RUSSIANS DID arrive in Berlin first and THEY FIRST put theyre flag on the top of reichstag! THEY ended the war BUT ONLY in Europe.
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Yes they did. The British strived to keep themselves safe even with the water obstacle for Germany. France - no comment. USA - did a part in the war but does not even come close to what the Eastern Front was. While the USSR had to hold a Germany who was throwing all on only one European front for 2 years, and who still held most of its resources in that same front for the rest of the war.
Regardless of what Russia planned to do about their neighbors during the war, you can't deny they saved a huge chunk of Europe.
Basically the only thing Russia did during WWII was kicking Germany in the back while the worthy adversaries, the USA and the UK, did all the real work. I don't believe there's even a little chance that the USSR might've won at the eastern front if the UK didn't do such a good job on the other fronts. Untrained heaps of flesh with inferior equipment, but huge amounts of them. Needless to say, the USSR lost at least 10 times more men at the eastern front than Germany. A lot of undeserved victories with some portions of rape and useless murder is what the USSR brought and got during, but also after world war two.
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Basically the only thing Russia did during WWII was kicking Germany in the back while the worthy adversaries, the USA and the UK, did all the real work. I don't believe there's even a little chance that the USSR might've won at the eastern front if the UK didn't do such a good job on the other fronts. Untrained heaps of flesh with inferior equipment, but huge amounts of them. Needless to say, the USSR lost at least 10 times more men at the eastern front than Germany. A lot of undeserved victories with some portions of rape and useless murder is what the USSR brought and got during, but also after world war two.
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o577/gojko4/Facepalm-1.jpg)
You failed.
Russian battles were GREAT BATTLES OF great cities of:
-Staljingrad
-Lenjingrad
-Moscow
-Kursk
-Minsk
-Berlin
-Vienna
-Buchurest
-Prag
-Varsaw
-Conquering ALL NAZI COUNTRIES!
etc...
NOTE FOR AMERICANS AND BRITISH: the battles i said were not ACTUALL NAMES of those battles, BUT THEY WERE DESCRIPTIONS of actuall battles that they fought.
And "GREAT" American and British battles of silly little villages and following:
-Battle for a bridge
-Battle for a hill
-Battle for an overpass
-Battle for that little bridge behind that hill they took
-They took over paris (FOR THAT I CONGRATZ).
Yadda yadd yadda ETC...
Russians also conquering berlin, Americans and British conquering unimportant places and Paris.
Even a fool can notice the obivouse...
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Not even going to argue with a boy who believes Coca Cola is poisoned and that the 'illuminati' are going to take over the world. Plain nationalistic bullshit for something you're not even a part of up above. You've been playing too much CoD or MoH if you really believe that shit.
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o577/gojko4/Facepalm-1.jpg)
You failed.
Russian battles were GREAT BATTLES OF great cities of:
-Staljingrad
-Lenjingrad
-Moscow
-Kursk
-Minsk
-Berlin
-Vienna
-Buchurest
-Prag
-Varsaw
-Conquering ALL NAZI COUNTRIES!
etc...
NOTE FOR AMERICANS AND BRITISH: the battles i said were not ACTUALL NAMES of those battles, BUT THEY WERE DESCRIPTIONS of actuall battles that they fought.
And "GREAT" American and British battles of silly little villages and following:
-Battle for a bridge
-Battle for a hill
-Battle for an overpass
-Battle for that little bridge behind that hill they took
-They took over paris (FOR THAT I CONGRATZ).
Yadda yadd yadda ETC...
Russians also conquering berlin, Americans and British conquering unimportant places and Paris.
Even a fool can notice the obivouse...
Oh my fucking God.
How old are you?
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o577/gojko4/Facepalm-1.jpg)
You failed.
Russian battles were GREAT BATTLES OF great cities of:
-Staljingrad
-Lenjingrad
-Moscow
-Kursk
-Minsk
-Berlin
-Vienna
-Buchurest
-Prag
-Varsaw
-Conquering ALL NAZI COUNTRIES!
etc...
NOTE FOR AMERICANS AND BRITISH: the battles i said were not ACTUALL NAMES of those battles, BUT THEY WERE DESCRIPTIONS of actuall battles that they fought.
And "GREAT" American and British battles of silly little villages and following:
-Battle for a bridge
-Battle for a hill
-Battle for an overpass
-Battle for that little bridge behind that hill they took
-They took over paris (FOR THAT I CONGRATZ).
Yadda yadd yadda ETC...
Russians also conquering berlin, Americans and British conquering unimportant places and Paris.
Even a fool can notice the obivouse...
Oh ok man, so Britain didn't keep the nazis out of the UK and completely dominate their air force.
America did nothing, they just sat in a medieval cottage eating burgers whilst nazi tanks drove past.
Russia did everything, Russia saved the world, if it werent for Russia we'd all be dead.
Of course I'm not being sarcastic. :lol: :rofl:
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and completely dominate their air force.
No, actually. They won the battle of brittain nicely, but after that, it was downhill for any airforce that dared to fight the Luftwaffe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_M%C3%B6lders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_M%C3%B6lders)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Galland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Galland)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz-Wolfgang_Schnaufer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz-Wolfgang_Schnaufer)
And for a couple of hundred more fantastic pilots:
http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/12815-luftwaffe-aces-list-pilots-100-kills-notes.html (http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/12815-luftwaffe-aces-list-pilots-100-kills-notes.html)
None of them were devoted nazis, they were war heroes just like some of their enemies, respected by both friend and foe.
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Wasn't the Luftwaffe the most prestigious airforce during World War 2 as well?
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Wasn't the Luftwaffe the most prestigious airforce during World War 2 as well?
Indeed. The most prestigious airforce that has ever been.
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Yeah right.
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Not even going to argue with a boy who believes Coca Cola is poisoned and that the 'illuminati' are going to take over the world.
>implying a boy who believes Nazi Germany had superior everything is any better than that
I also like how you define Soviet troops as untrained heaps of flesh, because it was these untrained heaps of flesh who won the polished-boots of German Army in the East... very superior aryan race indeed... :rofl:
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>implying a boy who believes Nazi Germany had superior everything is any better than that
Expected a bit more maturity from you, even if you're just a biased USSR supporter... I look at it from a neutral stance, something you sadly won't be able to do. :)
Anyways, this thread was about Iran, so I'm out of here. I don't want to spoil the entire topic.
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If you expect people around you to be mature, start by yourself. :skull:
Oh and to mention, WW2 does have a degree of relation to this subject and pretty much every other geopolitical discussion.
Either way, Iran is not going to be overrun without some damage being done first. Question is, what will they hit: Israel or the oil ships in Hormuz?
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Expected a bit more maturity from you, even if you're just a biased USSR supporter... I look at it from a neutral stance, something you sadly won't be able to do. :)
I look at it from a neutral stance, something you sadly won't be able to do. :)
I look at it from a neutral stance
a neutral stance
u wot nig.
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If you expect people around you to be mature, start by yourself. :skull:
xd troled hard !
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>implying a boy who believes Nazi Germany had superior everything is any better than that
I also like how you define Soviet troops as untrained heaps of flesh, because it was these untrained heaps of flesh who won the polished-boots of German Army in the East... very superior aryan race indeed... :rofl:
Stalin used quantity over quality, he practically just zerg rushed Germany.
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Iran: to avenge every attack
Reacting to the speech, which was held in the UN General Netanyahu, Iran's stated mission to Israel stated that "absurd accusations against the only peacetime nuclear program '
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.299.html:399001-Iran-Osveticemo-se-za-svaki-napad (http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.299.html:399001-Iran-Osveticemo-se-za-svaki-napad)
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Coca Cola is poisoned
It can turn into alcohol in matter of minutes if exposed to air.
I also like how you define Soviet troops as untrained heaps of flesh, because it was these untrained heaps of flesh who won the polished-boots of German Army in the East... very superior aryan race indeed...
Don't be arrogant. Germany was busy fighting many countries at once, Russians soldiers death rates were higher than the Germans because of the "Zerg or die because you insult Stalin because this city is named after him!" In the end, combined efforts of the hunters brought the beast down.
Reacting to the speech, which was held in the UN General Netanyahu, Iran's stated mission to Israel stated that "absurd accusations against the only peacetime nuclear program '
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/09/28/1226483/013698-netanyahu-iran-bomb.jpg)
Least they know how to draw. :lol:
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All countries that faught in the WW's did their part, leave it at that...
Back to the Iran situation please? :roll:
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Don't be arrogant. Germany was busy fighting many countries at once, Russians soldiers death rates were higher than the Germans because of the "Zerg or die because you insult Stalin because this city is named after him!" In the end, combined efforts of the hunters brought the beast down.
[insert all that you want to name as faults of the soviet army in the war]
And the outcome? They overran the majority of Germany's strength and resource, the fronts against UK and USA in the desert and in France made up not even half of everything that the Nazis were able to throw. :)
All countries that faught in the WW's did their part, leave it at that...
Back to the Iran situation please? :roll:
Either way, Iran is not going to be overrun without some damage being done first. Question is, what will they hit: Israel or the oil ships in Hormuz?
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[insert all that you want to name as faults of the soviet army in the war]
And the outcome? They overran the majority of Germany's strength and resource, the fronts against UK and USA in the desert and in France made up not even half of everything that the Nazis were able to throw. :)
In Africa, France, and all the other western European countries is where the real shit went down. Needless to say, one country against the two most powerful nations ( UK and USA ) and their allies isn't an easy war to win. Even although Germany basically owned nearly 50 percent of the Russian territory at one point, it wasn't a good idea to go there yet. Hypothetically speaking, they should've settled or beaten the others countries at the real fronts before engaging in such a mud war full of cowardice, backstabbing and disgusting ways of fighting. At least the British and American forces had decency and didn't rape all the women or kill the POWs.
But hey, over five years after the war was over, Stalin still thought Hitler was alive and accused the Americans of hiding Hitler in their country! Very smart man. ;)
It's no use to try getting this through your thick propaganda filled soviet skull. You are a communist, a supporter of delusional soviet ideas, you'll always support whichever massacre they would commit with some lame excuse, without looking at it from a neutral stance.
Unlike you, I don't support something that's been dead for over 20 years (well, the real thing's dead since Stalin died, so make that 57 years).
And I think that's a nice way to sum it up, enough of this WWII talk in a topic about Iran... It's no use with you.
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But hey, over five years after the war was over, Stalin still thought Hitler was alive and accused the Americans of hiding Hitler in their country! Very smart man. ;)
LOL
That's true
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lol
In Africa, France, and all the other western European countries is where the real shit went down. Needless to say, one country against the two most powerful nations ( UK and USA ) and their allies isn't an easy war to win.
If these theaters were the places where the real shit went down, it makes me wonder what motivated Germany to dedicate so much of its power elsewhere.
Even although Germany basically owned nearly 50 percent of the Russian territory at one point
lolwut
Hypothetically speaking, they should've settled or beaten the others countries at the real fronts before engaging in such a mud war full of cowardice, backstabbing and disgusting ways of fighting.
Cowardice? Shooting unrelated civilians because of Jewish ancestry?
Backstabbing? Indeed, after all the whole conflict started on the breach of the non-aggression pact.
Disgusting ways of fighting? Using brain is disgusting for you?
At least the British and American forces had decency and didn't rape all the women or kill the POWs.
At least the Soviets didn't kill unrelated civilians simply because they were Jews.
But hey, over five years after the war was over, Stalin still thought Hitler was alive and accused the Americans of hiding Hitler in their country! Very smart man. ;)
Stalin knew how to piss people off. Was not some guy who suicided upon encirclement. ;)
It's no use to try getting this through your thick propaganda filled soviet skull. You are a communist, a supporter of delusional soviet ideas, you'll always support whichever massacre they would commit with some lame excuse, without looking at it from a neutral stance.
Unlike you, I don't support something that's been dead for over 20 years (well, the real thing's dead since Stalin died, so make that 57 years).
We were talking about the War and not the ideologies. You're resorting to personal attacks and diverting to unrelated subject, so just stop posting if that is what you plan on doing. Either you will receive the response for your attacks or you are going to get punished by who can moderate.
enough of this WWII talk in a topic about Iran... It's no use with you.
WWII is related to any geopolitical discussion nowadays. While the discussion is indeed going off limits, don't expect people to not react if you are questioning or attacking them.
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Lets just give Salmonella and JayL a gun and see who dies first so this argument can be over. :m4: :sig:
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lolwut
Operation Barbarossa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa)
Operation Haifisch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Haifisch)
Operation Harpune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Harpune)
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A typical Russian man "hanging around" in German occupied Russian territory
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Diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole
Just adding a bit of black humour to the topic.
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At least the Soviets didn't kill unrelated civilians simply because they were Jews.
Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. ;)
JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!
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Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. ;)
JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!
Come on man it's Vodka, who doesn't like Vodka?
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I prefer milk.
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Why are we speaking English right now? Oh wait let me remind you. Becaaaaause UK invaded the entire planet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png).
You're welcome.
Technology is nothing compared to thousands of alchohol powered soldiers who dont give a f**k about theyre lives in order to protect what they love!
I'm afraid I'm rather inclined to disagree.
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Ich werde abgeschnitten Ihre die Hoden und Fußball spielen mit ihrem, weißen Jungen.
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Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. ;)
JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!
True, but he's not going to listen. You can say what you want, but well, when someone supports certain sides to such a (disgusting) degree, it's hard to get through to them, just like I said in my previous post.
inb4 ''BUT THEY WON ANYWAYS :DDDD''
There's a lot more to the world's biggest war, and perhaps biggest historical event of this planet than just a stupid concrete sentence.
If these theaters were the places where the real shit went down, it makes me wonder what motivated Germany to dedicate so much of its power elsewhere
What the heck are you talking about? Untill 1944, Germany beat the shit out of the Soviet Union on their own ground. I really suggest you read some literature on the subject, because these empty statements of yours are really becoming tiring. Nazi Germany had basically defeated most of the western and northern European countries by 1943, which is why that year was a great year for them. To understand this, we must look at the conflicts in Africa. America got involved somewhere around 1942 or 1943, and sent many troops to the African front, in order to assist the British forces. Before that, General Rommel really managed to get a lot done there, the UK would lose 200 tanks while Germany wouldn't even lose 20. That changed after the arrival of America, probably not just because of that, but also because of strategic miscalucations at Tobruk.
More troops couldn't be sent for Germany, and they kept losing a lot there. Attack after attack.. At one point, they were forced to retreat to Tunisia and evacuate. This was done at an extremely high speed, without any deaths on Germany's side whatsoever, and overall just went splendid. This was the first and last time for such a massive evacuation to go this well. After the battle of Africa was lost, the allied forces concentrated on western Europe. D-Day of course. Around that time, it started to go bad on the eastern front. Are you starting to see where I'm going with this? The German troops at the eastern front were already low on troops, but after this, Hitler didn't send a lot more troops to the eastern front. That's when it started to go bad for Germany in the eastern front. There was never such a thing as ''concentrating most of their attention to the eastern front''. That only happened in 41 and 42, which is when they won 90 percent of all battles against the Soviet Union.
Cowardice? Backstabbing? Disgusting ways of fighting? Using brain is disgusting for you?
Yeah, that's how they fought. Most of them had never seen a toilet, let alone gotten proper education or training in the field. There wasn't a lot of brainpower involved when the Soviet troops stormed on open fields into the MG42 fire. A regular day involved a single MG42 crew and 5 German soldiers shooting 200 storming Soviet troops. If the Soviet troops were really as you think they were, they would've gotten to Germany by 1944, because by then, it was 100 soviets vs 10 Germans. That's a realistic ratio.
At least the Soviets didn't kill unrelated civilians simply because they were Jews.
I hope you know the Wehrmacht didn't do, let alone know about that untill 1945. I also hope you know that if Nazi Germany didn't start anti-semitism, Soviet Russia would've done that. Not to mention all the mass killings and purges done by the Soviet Union.
Stalin knew how to piss people off. Was not some guy who suicided upon encirclement. ;)
Hitler knew how to piss people off. Was not some guy who ordered 30000000 of his own citizens and soldiers to the grave and into the battlefield. ;)
See what I did there? Support for Hitler is disgusting, but not as disgusting as support for Stalin.
We were talking about the War and not the ideologies. You're resorting to personal attacks and diverting to unrelated subject, so just stop posting if that is what you plan on doing. Either you will receive the response for your attacks or you are going to get punished by who can moderate.
You have had Stalin avatars and ''Support your local communist party!'' personal texts. You're not telling me that you're not a convinced communist, if not a convinced stalinist or soviet. I disgust people who actually support the anti semitism and ideologies of nazism, but not even half as much as those who actually supported soviet communism.
WWII is related to any geopolitical discussion nowadays. While the discussion is indeed going off limits, don't expect people to not react if you are questioning or attacking them.
Indeed, if you come with this bullshit and your ''lol'' ''lolwut'', expect a reply.
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Can we please get back to the topic?
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NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.
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Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. ;)
JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!
what the fuck
provide sources or enough of your bullshit.
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NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.
That is truth. I only dont think that Greece will asist NATO, but rather Russia. Anyway, NATO should stay DA FUCK outta other countries businesse!
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We want freaking peace :conf:
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NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.
Yay, I get to live through a world war hopefully, fun times ahead for everybody!
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Yay, I get to live through a world war hopefully, fun times ahead for everybody!
I guess the only good thing that can come out of this is for people who want to be military certainly will have a better chance in the future ^^
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NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.
Iran/syria is a powder that is has it's fuse lit, but without a known lengt on it, as i see the situation now, 1 way or another either isreal or iran will strike eachother first, if it's iran that goes first we WILL have a 3erd world war on our hands becuse that conflict will drag in all other country's affiliated with either parts as i've read some quote from einstein when bored, small part of the quote "4th world war would be fought with stone and sticks" due to what russia have recently stated if NATO intervenes in a iran/iseal + USA conflict that would very likely what happends unless they made a internal agreement to stay off the nukes.
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Either way, whenever America gets involved in a war, Russia will try to defend the side the Americans are fighting, because ofc Russia will do anything to use it's nukes on someone, but then again I suppose Russia would be just as fucked at America if either side attacks, because everyone allys are just going to pour in and attack eachother, will just be a massive mess TBH.
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Cant we atleast all agree that both Russian and American side is full of powerhungry idiots?
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Cant we atleast all agree that both Russian and American side is full of powerhungry idiots?
No.
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No.
Too bad we cant agree on truth :P
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Too bad we cant agree on truth :P
I don't think it's the truth.
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Australia is kangaroo powering idiots.
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Australia is kangaroo powering idiots.
Excuse me?
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Found out one of the few things the Luftwaffe weren't very prestigious in was their tests. They used human subjects to test their bombing tactics and new model types without their consent, which is a war crime.
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Found out one of the few things the Luftwaffe weren't very prestigious in was their tests. They used human subjects to test their bombing tactics and new model types without their consent, which is a war crime.
Everyone commited war crimes at WWII. Big surprise eh?
Check up Unit 731.
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Everyone commited war crimes at WWII. Big surprise eh?
Check up Unit 731.
And afterwords. Not necessarily 'war crimes' by definition, but endangerment to the public (on a huge scale) for testing became a reality, specifically during cold war. And I'm sure today there are tons of tests that the public doesn't need to know about going on, and we will probably never find out.
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Everyone commited war crimes at WWII. Big surprise eh?
Check up Unit 731.
Check up:
The Dachau Liberation Massacre - United States
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Dachau_execution_coalyard_1945-04-29.jpg/800px-Dachau_execution_coalyard_1945-04-29.jpg)
Freedom and Peace right? Nope, shoot and kill.
Occupation of Germany Rapes - The Red Army...I'll just quote Wikipedia, I don't want to go into explaining, I'll be misunderstood...
"Following the Red Army's capture of Berlin in 1945, one of the largest incidents of mass rape in history took place.[citation needed] Soviet troops raped German women and girls as young as eight years old.[citation needed] Estimates of the total number of victims range from tens of thousands to two million.[72]
After the summer of 1945, Soviet soldiers caught raping civilians were usually punished to some degree, ranging from arrest to execution.[73] The rapes continued, however, until the winter of 1947–48, when Soviet occupation authorities finally confined troops to strictly guarded posts and camps,“[74] completely separating them from the residential population in the Soviet zone of Germany."
NKDV Round Ups in Poland - The Red Army
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Katyn_massacre_1.jpg)
Crimes by the Red Army in Finland, let this picture speak for itself:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/DeadFinnishcivilians1942.jpg)
While many claim Concentration Camps were hell on Earth, I suggest you check out the conditions of the Russian Gulags too.
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Seriously, stop this and get back on topic...
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While many claim Concentration Camps were hell on Earth, I suggest you check out the conditions of the Russian Gulags too.
What was your point? I just sold you the fact that everyone during WWII (and, on Y2JFAN's clarification, post-war period too) commited war crimes.
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American's did it alot too, and sometimes with their own citizens. They did biological weapon testing on soldiers who signed up for it, and many of them ended up with cancer and radiation based diseases.
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I am afraid that the United States of America will attack Iran without permission from the UN Safety Council once more. They did it with Iraq, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did it to Iran too. The best solution for all parts is a diplomatic solution that benefits all sides. Russia and China are with Iran, and United States, Britain and France are probably with Israel. The situation between Israel and Iran is not only about nuclear weapons, so we should definately find a diplomatic solution to clear the air, and make sure no attacks will be made from any part.
Anyone else than me thinks it's stupid of USA to threath Iran with an attack when they are the only ones on earth that have used nuclear weapons by all time?
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And it was obvious since June that war will happen.
It was predicted that Iran would be the next Middle Eastern warzone since the United States was half-way through bombing the life out of Iraq.
It's unfortunate to see that it might become a reality now...
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inb4 world war 3 :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4:
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inb4 world war 3 :m4:
I honestly wouldn't doubt it. Half the Middle East is pissed at the U.S. and vice versa over political and religious issues, and with Iran and Israel fighting, and Israel being considered a holy place for 3 major religions, and all groups having nuclear capabilities, this could very well be a war that ends all wars.
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I am afraid that the United States of America will attack Iran without permission from the UN Safety Council once more. They did it with Iraq, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did it to Iran too. The best solution for all parts is a diplomatic solution that benefits all sides. Russia and China are with Iran, and United States, Britain and France are probably with Israel. The situation between Israel and Iran is not only about nuclear weapons, so we should definately find a diplomatic solution to clear the air, and make sure no attacks will be made from any part.
Anyone else than me thinks it's stupid of USA to threath Iran with an attack when they are the only ones on earth that have used nuclear weapons by all time?
The US will not attack Iran at all, they'd cop a load of shit off Russia and China if they did, you have to remember countries have nuclear weapons so that other countries either listen to them or just to stop them being invaded, a deterance more than anything, if China and Russia together decide that if American attacks Iran, they'd both attack America, a nuclear war would break out and the most likely outcome is America would be flattend, mainly due to China and Russia's nuclear dominance, however America would likely ask NATO for help if they were to do such attack, in which case it'd be a world war and everyone would be fucked, America is China's biggest exporter, nobody buys as much from China as America does, so the likely hood of America wanting war with China is also low.
Out of everything, I doubt America would have the balls to attack Iran due to the consequences that they'd give themselves.
It was predicted that Iran would be the next Middle Eastern warzone since the United States was half-way through bombing the life out of Iraq.
It's unfortunate to see that it might become a reality now...
No.. America cannot/will not bomb Iran due to the threats from China and Russia, and they'd both do anything/find any reason to attack America.
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No.. America cannot/will not bomb Iran due to the threats from China and Russia, and they'd both do anything/find any reason to attack America.
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that the United States will very well use a nuclear threat as an excuse, and if Iran tries to nuke anyone, especially them, we all know the United States will hop in on this, claiming they are trying to keep the peace. It's not the first time...just the first time with nukes involved. That's the part that seriously worries me...
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Not necessarily. Keep in mind that the United States will very well use a nuclear threat as an excuse, and if Iran tries to nuke anyone, especially them, we all know the United States will hop in on this, claiming they are trying to keep the peace. It's not the first time...just the first time with nukes involved. That's the part that seriously worries me...
China and Russia would use nukes on the USA.. :poke:
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I honestly wouldn't doubt it. Half the Middle East is pissed at the U.S. and vice versa over political and religious issues, and with Iran and Israel fighting, and Israel being considered a holy place for 3 major religions, and all groups having nuclear capabilities, this could very well be a war that ends all wars.
i already knew that shit gonna happen since 2010, those who say obama will help israel your wrong, if he fights iran he will lose alot of his cash and he just wont do shit.
china, russia and iran are bigger then israel x500, i mean seriously do you even call it a war?
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China and Russia would use nukes on the USA.. :poke:
They barely have any nukes compared to the United States. If it came to a second arms race/Cold War, the United States would likely win the moment a single nuke went off. They have military posted across the entire world with nuclear capabilities in multiple locations. Even if some hit the country, the United States could more than easily fight back and probably win with sheer massive damage alone. It's not something that makes me proud of my country, I'll admit that much.
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They barely have any nukes compared to the United States. If it came to a second arms race/Cold War, the United States would likely win the moment a single nuke went off. They have military posted across the entire world with nuclear capabilities in multiple locations. Even if some hit the country, the United States could more than easily fight back and probably win with sheer massive damage alone. It's not something that makes me proud of my country, I'll admit that much.
Wrong, completely wrong... Russia has more nukes than America on their own, without China's help..
The list below shows how many warheads the countries have under their control.
Russia - 10,000
United States - 8,000
France - 300
United Kingdom - 225 >
China - 240
Pakistan - 110
India - 100
North Korea - < 10
Edit: Most countries have only half of less of their warheads active and ready for launch, the rest are backups, I guess.. :trust:
Also, how do you not know Russia and China also have nuclear bases across the world? You can't assume America would win like you just did, it's not possible, in a nuclear war every side loses, China and Russia both have islands round their own country, America alone is surrounded by islands still owned by the British, as an example they could have nuclear bases on that you don't know about, you can't just assume the USA would win, half the world wants America's head, the likely scenario is America would be obliterated, Asia would be damaged and Russia would be damaged, after all Russia is the worlds biggest continent, Asia is also bigger than America, the outcome would not be good on anyones side.
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Wrong, completely wrong... Russia has more nukes than America on their own, without China's help..
The list below shows how many warheads the countries have under their control.
Russia - 10,000
United States - 8,000
France - 300
United Kingdom - 225 >
China - 240
Pakistan - 110
India - 100
North Korea - < 10
Edit: Most countries have only half of less of their warheads active and ready for launch, the rest are backups, I guess.. :trust:
Also, how do you not know Russia and China also have nuclear bases across the world? You can't assume America would win like you just did, it's not possible, in a nuclear war every side loses, China and Russia both have islands round their own country, America alone is surrounded by islands still owned by the British, as an example they could have nuclear bases on that you don't know about, you can't just assume the USA would win, half the world wants America's head, the likely scenario is America would be obliterated, Asia would be damaged and Russia would be damaged, after all Russia is the worlds biggest continent, Asia is also bigger than America, the outcome would not be good on anyones side.
You're only counting known land-based nuclear missiles. Keep in mind that the United States also has sea-based missiles, nuclear submarines, and a variety of other ways to nuke a country, including the old-fashioned bombing method.
@America not winning because of worldwide hate: That doesn't matter. Not every country is going to gang up on the U.S. unless they become the next Nazi Germany, and even then out of fear they likely would stay neutral. Yes, many countries hate them, but not many are willing or capable of attacking them.
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You're only counting known land-based nuclear missiles. Keep in mind that the United States also has sea-based missiles, nuclear submarines, and a variety of other ways to nuke a country, including the old-fashioned bombing method.
Russia has nuclear submarines, the UK has 2 nuclear submarines, along with 1 in production, don't think China has nuclear submarines, they don't even have an aircraft carrier.. :lol: Oh wait they have 1 and it sucks..
At the end of the day Russia is the worlds nuclear king, between their submarines and on-land based missiles they dominate..
China has no submarines, however their country would be hard to invade and they'd probibly go all stabba stabba with knives attached to their guns making up a grose/unhumain battle.
And can you ever really know where a nuclear submarine is? I'm sure the technologys out there but it's very secret..
Unless a country reveals where it's subs are theres no real way of telling. inb4'AmericaCanFindThem'
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Countries hate us because we have idiots running the Government. They claim they will represent the people, but all they care is themselves.
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Couple days ago oil reservs are discovered in Brazil so there will be WW3 :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :m4: :sig: :sig: :sig: :sig: :sig: :sig:
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Russia has nuclear submarines, the UK has 2 nuclear submarines, along with 1 in production, don't think China has nuclear submarines, they don't even have an aircraft carrier.. :lol: Oh wait they have 1 and it sucks..
inb4'AmericaCanFindThem'
Don't get me started about USA having more carriers than Russia tenfold.... and ultimately superior aircraft in general.
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Don't get me started about USA having more carriers than Russia tenfold.... and ultimately superior aircraft in general.
Aircraft Carriers:
Giant floating citys that allow the enemy to wipe out 3,000 of their enemy in one go with a single missile/submarine. :poke:
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Aircraft Carriers:
Giant floating citys that allow the enemy to wipe out 3,000 of their enemy in one go with a single missile/submarine. :poke:
>single missile
I say again, air superiority, not saying about AA systems
>submarine
You seriously think they never considered this when crafting it?
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>single missile
I say again, air superiority, not saying about AA systems
>submarine
You seriously think they never considered this when crafting it?
Of course they consider them, but theres not anything I've heard of that can detect or stop a submarine, and maybe not 1 missile, but a ship can't deal with multipul missiles, all I'm saying is America's aircraft carriers would be the biggest target, and they'd end up losing some if not all of them in a modern world war.
I'll be honest, I'm sick of hearing people talk about how 'elite' and 'advanced' America is, truth is they just trying to have more ships/jets then everyone else because they like to think of themselves as the worlds best country when it comes to military power, and I only ever see Americans saying how good their country is, kind of like they are all big headed or something.. If aircraft carriers were really that essential, don't you think China, with the worlds biggest economy would have some?
You only need aircraft carriers if you plan on invading someone, and invading modern countries is just as difficult as defending your own no matter how many submarines, ships or troops you have, you go within 100miles of Russia with a battle ship chances are they'd blow the whole convoy to pieces, I've seen how strict they are with the light aircraft up in Alaska, a Cessna once flew into their airspace and within seconds they had a gunship helicopter flying round one of Russia's most northern islands.
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Let just say that the Iranian government is clever and know what it doing, unless fools like Saddam or Mubarak.
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Let just say that the Iranian government is clever and know what it doing, unless fools like Saddam or Mubarak.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not really a good leader. He tends to let his own, personal opinions (that usually are hostile towards USA and the west) lead him to do bad decissions. I am sure he knows what he is doing now, and got this all planned. Lets just hope the Safety Council in UN comes to a peaceful conclution.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not really a good leader. He tends to let his own, personal opinions (that usually are hostile towards USA and the west) lead him to do bad decissions. I am sure he knows what he is doing now, and got this all planned. Lets just hope the Safety Council in UN comes to a peaceful conclution.
Many think the same as him, also the president is not the one with full power. Iran is already in war with the west, but not directly.
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Many think the same as him, also the president is not the one with full power. Iran is already in war with the west, but not directly.
Of course, because the US spit a lot of $mill into Israeli economy and military every day for no particular reason except getting influence in the middle east. Israel uses the money to send rockets over to Syria and to run their apartheid system towards the Palestinians, which obviously pisses the other Arabic/Persian countries.
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Of course, because the US spit a lot of $mill into Israeli economy and military every day for no particular reason except getting influence in the middle east
No... America is oil hungry and will only go to war for oil..
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No... America is oil hungry and will only go to war for oil..
Perhaps they should invade Russia then, they'll find plenty of oil.
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Perhaps they should invade Russia then, they'll find plenty of oil.
Yeh, but Russia would kick them right back to where they came from.. :poke:
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No... America is oil hungry and will only go to war for oil..
The UK is actively deployed and helping the US in Afghanistan, what would that make em ?
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I'll be honest, I'm sick of hearing people talk about how 'elite' and 'advanced' America is, truth is they just trying to have more ships/jets then everyone else because they like to think of themselves as the worlds best country when it comes to military power, and I only ever see Americans saying how good their country is, kind of like they are all big headed or something.. If aircraft carriers were really that essential, don't you think China, with the worlds biggest economy would have some?
I was never pro-American, I was just telling you that they indeed have air superiority, deployment wise and, I can add, tech-wise too. Although, if you might take the fact that Russians barely show off their tech stuff, maybe they have something even more advanced just hidden underneath.
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The UK is actively deployed and helping the US in Afghanistan, what would that make em ?
Good allies.
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The UK is actively deployed and helping the US in Afghanistan, what would that make em ?
Good allies.
Yes, without the UK, America has no powerful allies, thats why America's worried about Scotland possibly leaving the UK.
I was never pro-American, I was just telling you that they indeed have air superiority, deployment wise and, I can add, tech-wise too. Although, if you might take the fact that Russians barely show off their tech stuff, maybe they have something even more advanced just hidden underneath.
Thats the way I see it, countrys like Russia, China, North Korea and so on are never seen blabbing about how good they are, instead they develop their military machines and keep them secret, or just on the down low... Where as if America makes a new jet, they try to make it known world wide, have you ever heard the saying 'Its the quiet ones you should be scared of' - Not the ones who show off and run their mouths.. ;)
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Thats the way I see it, countrys like Russia, China, North Korea and so on are never seen blabbing about how good they are, instead they develop their military machines and keep them secret, or just on the down low... Where as if America makes a new jet, they try to make it known world wide, have you ever heard the saying 'Its the quiet ones you should be scared of' - Not the ones who show off and run their mouths.. ;)
Yes, that is compleatly true!
By the way, a perfect example is the following:
I am a GREAT fan of guns, weapons, airplanes, WEAPONRY at all. I dont think there was a weapon that i didnt hear about. Anyway, my fathers friend was atasche in Russia, for Russian military. All military requests, actions, ANYTHING related to that went trough him.
That guy brought up a secret Russian project that was unknown to the world for more than 40 YEARS!
It was a rocket powered torpedo. The way it works is that it uses compressed air to create an air pocket around the torpedo, and the propultion is like in an ordinary rocket. So therefore that torpedo is moving MUCH MUCH faster since it is flying in air, while still under water!
How brilliant is that?! MY POINT IS anyway that Russians are as you said MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better at holding the military secrets! Who knows what kind of hellish weapon they got...
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This guy above me would be in deep trouble if Spetsnaz knew where he lives.
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This guy above me would be in deep trouble if Spetsnaz knew where he lives.
New page fail. Someone delete a useless post they made in the first pages...